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Community => Clans => Individual Clan Threads => Topic started by: zeta on July 11, 2006, 03:58:55 am

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: zeta on July 11, 2006, 03:58:55 am

Hey, Im just wondering if there are any clans that would be interested in league play in tremulous.

When you are playing this game in the pubs, the teammates you get are hit or miss.  More often than not you get teams with deconners or just bad players in general.  This is where clan's come in.  In clans, you play with the same people and you get to know your team's strengths and weaknesses.

Ace07 and I are planning to start a clan, and we are wondering if any clans would be interesting in setting up matches.  This would be easier if there was some kind of clan league in place (or just a clan forum on this site).

The idea for the clan league would be to facilitate the clan matches between different clans and record who the winners are.  The first ladder in this league would be simple 5v5 matches between clans.  Three (3) games are played in the same map which is chosen by the challenging clan.  The teams alternate so that you don't always play Aliens or Humans.

If the defending team accepts the challenge, they get to choose what side they start playing (Aliens or Humans).  After each round it alternates.

Do you think that tremulous is ready for something like this?  I think it is about time we got some good competition going on in this game.

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: rasz_pl on July 11, 2006, 04:16:28 am

That would be great, who knows, maybe some day trem will be in CB ladders :P

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: PIE on July 11, 2006, 06:00:13 am

Definately!
It would be neat to have a site to track tremulous clan win/losses when this starts!

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: [db@]Megabite on July 11, 2006, 08:15:55 am

Started a thread about it a month ago... there were not enough responses to justify the amount of work it would take to set up... :(

-> http://www.tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=916&highlight=ladder

Danny

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: PIE on July 11, 2006, 03:29:38 pm

:/.. not a lot of clans are represented on the forums... you see them in game and that seems to be about it...

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: zeta on July 11, 2006, 03:40:29 pm

well ill start one up i have nothing else better to do....

i was talking to dolby yesterday ingame and he said he thinks it would be a great thing to have it up

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: PIE on July 11, 2006, 05:05:48 pm

Yeah.. might want to bring this up ingame to other people.... I figure if you can get it going good.. it will pick up after a while..
People will ask "so does your clan compete?".. and they say "compete how?" ... and you will know they suck...

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: zeta on July 11, 2006, 05:11:32 pm

well thats what i am planing on doing right now but u guys think up some of the isues like the whole stupid thing about how people run away when there base is destroyed and they lost

and they length out the game for another hour!

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Stof on July 11, 2006, 05:14:35 pm

I guess you can add a hard timelimit and decide the rule that :
- if one teams has no spawns left but the other still has some, that team loses
- if else, match is a draw and should be replayed.

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Ace07 on July 11, 2006, 05:15:55 pm

@ [db@]Megabite: We will see how it works.  Currently the idea is to not even make a site.  If we could use this forum it would require only a little bit of work to manage all of it.  If there is enough interest and some matches go down, then someone could work on an entire site that would organize it better.  For how small this thing will be, it just needs to be functional.  The fancy ribbons, streamers, and fireworks can be saved for later when more people are interested.  8)

It would be interesting to see if this works.  There technically could be enough players for it, but I don't know anything of the player statistics right now.  You really need quite a few players to get anything useful going.

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: PIE on July 11, 2006, 05:18:41 pm

Quote from: "Ace07"

@ [db@]Megabite: We will see how it works.  Currently the idea is to not even make a site.

OH WOW... thats nuts
YOU NEED A SITE... you need to put these results into a DB..  
You need to track members of clans/clan activity by DB..

It will make ranking and other stats so much easier... don't screw yourself into a work overload by depending on a forum.. We do need a clan section.. but not to run a ladder on.

.. i made my suggestions in the other post.... did you want them here?

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Ace07 on July 11, 2006, 05:27:10 pm

Yes, a DB would be needed at some point.  You could even piggyback on some other league site (www.teamwarfare.com) if you want.  For now, the problem is that we don't know if this is feasible.  Once enough clans show up and start joining then you can move up.  

Why start big when you don't even know if it can work yet?

Yes, just move your suggestions in here.  I don't want to get into an argument, but we don't even know how many clans we have yet.  It doesn't make sense to go all out until we get some support from some clans.

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: PIE on July 11, 2006, 05:29:15 pm

.... I can set a db system up in like.. 10 min.. it doesn't really take anything.. PHPMYADMIN..... or even access.. just export sql when you get a server to host the site on..

Its not about going big/going all out.. its about thinking ahead.

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: PIE on July 11, 2006, 05:30:47 pm

Here is what i said in the other thread.. i'll delete it from there so things dont get cluttered =

Quote from: "PIE"

... You need to make sure there is an impartial admin.. that can track this..
You also need to make you have a good admin with a set of rules of what they can/can't do that won't step in and interfere when they don't need to.

screenshots of the score?... :/

Be careful not to get laggy servers.. set some kind of requirement. because you don't want people fussing about lag making them loose.

If a match comes to a draw after a time limit.. do it by total kills per team... that is if both teams still have an OM/Reactor.

If the entire alien base is killed and its just one bastard dretch then the humans win..

This "post in this thread" thing might become complicated and messy...

Also before the match they need to agree on BP/FF/Gravity/Time of day etc...

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: zeta on July 11, 2006, 05:31:36 pm

well i can designe some images for it and stuff

but i cant make it, i am not good enuf for html lol, IT PWNS ME


ace07 is but hes lazy!

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: PIE on July 11, 2006, 05:33:27 pm

html?...nooooooo... php..... do you guys need someone to code the site for you?... if you had a server with PHPmyAdmin i could set the DB up for you... i don't know if i'd have the time though to code up a whole site.. i'm already trying to code up 3 others... among other projects..

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: zeta on July 11, 2006, 05:34:19 pm

oh well my brother ace07 can php too

hes the programer, im the modeler/artist xD

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Ace07 on July 11, 2006, 05:34:48 pm

You would need to do PHP, because you can't use HTML and get a DB to work.  Silly zeta.

If you are willing to help us that would be great, but we haven't even looked into a site yet.

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: PIE on July 11, 2006, 05:37:12 pm

I'd be up to helping.. but i'm busy busy.. so i don't know how much coding i could knock out.. DB schemas are really easy for me though.
You'd also have to be really careful none of this could get hacked and some team instantly has 200303 wins or something..
I'd suggest just getting a schema and using access maybe.. until you had hosting..

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: zeta on July 11, 2006, 05:40:56 pm

ill start working on stuff for it!

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Stof on July 11, 2006, 05:42:21 pm

PHP sucks :o

Sadly, it's often the cheapest and easiest to find solution :(

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: PIE on July 11, 2006, 05:45:16 pm

OMG!... You are wrong sir...

You can't name 1 other web programming language (or even language at all) that beats PHP.. PHP is THE BEST!!!
I've about programmed in everything.. and i love the phps...

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: zeta on July 11, 2006, 05:51:29 pm

well i guess ima work on the layout for my brother(ace07)


we just need a basic layout of for now!


EDIT
(http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/8196/sitelayout8st.th.jpg) (http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sitelayout8st.jpg)


OK IM DONE

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Ace07 on July 11, 2006, 05:53:12 pm

Quote from: "PIE"

OMG!... You are wrong sir...

You can't name 1 other web programming language (or even language at all) that beats PHP.. PHP is THE BEST!!!
I've about programmed in everything.. and i love the phps...

Yes, I agree.  Its free and its awesome.  There is a lot of crazy stuff you can do with PHP.

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Smokey on July 11, 2006, 05:56:47 pm

i have a 300$ league system that i can even host. www.arena-zone.com is it  in action. k so easiest way would be to do that

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: PIE on July 11, 2006, 06:00:33 pm

... what?.. $300s?.. for me?... :D!!.. j/k
But your saying there is a hosting system where you can add in a trem ladder already set up somewhere?

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Smokey on July 11, 2006, 06:02:05 pm

no what i will do if we want to is setup a subdomain, trem.arena-zone.com and have a whole frest system setup. Then we could pick admins who could help manage the whole thing :)

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: PIE on July 11, 2006, 06:04:29 pm

Well.. sounds excellent... but is there already a system set up?.. it looks like there are already ladders going... i mean.. would WE have to set up a system or is there already one in place.. such as being able to enter clans/members etc, and get stats?...
This looks like a great solution...

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Smokey on July 11, 2006, 06:05:17 pm

it is a system, let me start setting it up to show you. give me 5.

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: zeta on July 11, 2006, 06:12:19 pm

well i have the thread that has it but once the sit is up i might just delete it xD

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Smokey on July 11, 2006, 06:12:36 pm

lalall ftp owns me. uploading, database's are all made

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Ace07 on July 11, 2006, 06:12:50 pm

Yes, piggybacking another server seems like the best solution.  Hopefully this works out, now we just need to find some clans who want to play. =)

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Smokey on July 11, 2006, 06:14:02 pm

QUICK! Look! www.trem.arena-zone.com
!

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: zeta on July 11, 2006, 06:14:25 pm

well i can go out and telll people to look at the forums for leagues again if u would like me too?

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: zeta on July 11, 2006, 06:15:20 pm

WOW good job!

could u give me ace07 and PIE admin on that site?

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Smokey on July 11, 2006, 06:16:09 pm

we really need somewhere to talk with each other. AOL/MSN? Vent/TS? irc?

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: PIE on July 11, 2006, 06:17:16 pm

I was wondering more about administration... but yeah.. i think that about answers my question..... cept for the rainbow six stuff... :p

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Smokey on July 11, 2006, 06:18:21 pm

well ya you will get admin if we do it. and its a defult theme. ill ps it later. find somewhere to talkkk

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: zeta on July 11, 2006, 06:18:35 pm

we got a vent ace07 give them the IP(PM IT THO dont want random people)

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: zeta on July 11, 2006, 06:19:48 pm

cancell that my msn is njmattila6@hotmail.com

whats ures?

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Smokey on July 11, 2006, 06:20:02 pm

ok. ill go when i get it :)

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Smokey on July 11, 2006, 06:20:26 pm

i added you already on msn. Mine is jq965@aim.com

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Ace07 on July 11, 2006, 06:21:37 pm

My aim: havocheavy
Zeta's: Nickaweirdo

Aim would work best, either that or IRC but we don't have a channel.

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Stof on July 11, 2006, 06:30:24 pm

Quote from: "PIE"

OMG!... You are wrong sir...

You can't name 1 other web programming language (or even language at all) that beats PHP.. PHP is THE BEST!!!
I've about programmed in everything.. and i love the phps...

This is of topic so I won't continue on that road :) My fault already for mentioning such subject here.

PS : you haven't programmed in everything yet ( nobody has ) or else you wouldn't say what you say.

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: PIE on July 11, 2006, 06:50:31 pm

about = not all.. but i've programmed in a lot.. and 99% of language debates end with:
It depends on what you use it for.
It depends on how you program.

So no point in debating.. but PHP is amazing if you know what your doing.. and its not hard.. www.php.net is one of the best language documentation sites i've come across..

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: zeta on July 11, 2006, 06:56:18 pm

hey stoff the sites already up...

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: PIE on July 11, 2006, 07:00:13 pm

Yes.. the magic of php.

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: PHREAK on July 11, 2006, 07:54:03 pm

If you guys need ideas for a system, check out the nexuiz ladder. It's based on the ELO system so the more matches are played the more accurate the scores become.
The here proposed system wouldn't equal out strong teams playing against weak teams. In ELO, teams get points by skill. If a team plays a very weak team and beats it, it only gets points propotional to the skill of the other team.
Check it out here http://planetnexuiz.com/ladder/
Person to talk about it is GreEn`mArine http://planetnexuiz.com/ladder/index.php?p=Profile&id=1

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: zeta on July 11, 2006, 08:02:20 pm

www.trem.arena-zone.com

we already have a ladder up.....

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Howitzer on July 11, 2006, 08:10:31 pm

Now we need a place for clans to recruit and players to be recruited..
I'm dying to join a clan because i really want to learn good alien tactics and NOT play with a bunch of noobs. :)

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: zeta on July 11, 2006, 08:18:58 pm

well HOPEFULLY they open a dang clan forum

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Neo on July 11, 2006, 09:26:58 pm

might be an idea to find a way for people to form loose groups for tourneys, as there are a bunch of good players who will never join a clan, but would enjoy a tourney.

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Smokey on July 11, 2006, 09:34:57 pm

ill work on something, but i got to go to the store right now.

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: zeta on July 11, 2006, 09:37:35 pm

hey delete all the styles but grey and use this for the banner

(http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/8154/banner28ds.jpg)

oh and btw me and josh wont be back for another hour but

u work on the site

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: zeta on July 11, 2006, 10:07:02 pm

http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=banner24vg.jpg

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Smokey on July 11, 2006, 10:11:38 pm

eww font  :-?

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: zeta on July 11, 2006, 10:14:47 pm

it looks good but stupid frigin imageshack brings down teh quality.........

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Seffylight on July 11, 2006, 11:39:58 pm

Smokey's my hero.

If I didn't totally suck at Trem, I'd join in the tourney. <3

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: zeta on July 11, 2006, 11:42:47 pm

lol smokey just hosted the site the original idea was from me and ace07

but he does get credit for that kick ass site LoL!

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: [db@]Megabite on July 11, 2006, 11:49:37 pm

Quote from: "Smokey"

eww font  :-?

Looks like "Baphomet" but I could be wrong. Not exactly sci-fi style... ;)

Danny

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: zeta on July 11, 2006, 11:51:02 pm

how in the hell did u guess that right LOL

anyways in infobase change it from a forum to a site xD

http://www.trem.arena-zone.com//index.php


EDIT nvm u did it LOL u fast

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: [db@]Megabite on July 12, 2006, 12:00:50 am

Quote from: "zeta"

how in the hell did u guess that right

Maybe I've got that font in my "little reservoir" as well... ;)

Danny

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Smokey on July 12, 2006, 12:59:39 am

i want to get a meeting going on irc.. is that possible? 10pm EST?

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: zeta on July 12, 2006, 02:23:41 am

est is that a hour ahead of central

or a hour before?

or 2 horus before?

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Smokey on July 12, 2006, 02:36:44 am

1 hour before. be on irc.quakenet.org in #tremulous and i will  tell you info for meeting.

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Ace07 on July 13, 2006, 12:24:15 am

Anyone who is interested in joining a clan should join www.trem.arena-zone.com or just stop by our IRC channel on irc.quakenet.org/#tremleague

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Jeremy Dj Dj on July 25, 2006, 06:10:47 pm

Hey I am interested in this. My clan is Generation {GNT}. I am seeing if anyone is interested in playing us.

-Jeremy Dj Dj

Title: Tremulous Clan League?
Post by: Smokey on July 26, 2006, 04:14:58 pm

Hey guys. Anyone who would like to help out email me @ jq965@aim.com

I'v been really busy and havent had time for much trem or helping with the site.


Dont email me if:
Your under the age of 14
You cant manage things
You dont have any free time.



Thanks,
Smokey