Not enough can be said about the Marauder as a diversionary alien. Come on, it's red, it seems to fly (when I was nUb, I thought it was flying) when in skilled hands.Actually, Conzul, it's pretty awesome that you said that. what made me love Mara to begin with was the first time I ever played Trem and I went Human and the FIRST alien I saw was this bright red :advmarauder: wall-bouncing towards me and I honestly just assumed it was their flying class... Then my baby-fresh noob-ass tried to play as one and I quickly learned just how wrong I was.
Yo, Forgot/Venk. Would greatly appreciate you showing me how to mara, and help me when you and I are on. You know me, {CTU}Reapd
Although I would still really love additional info on the subject, if you guys have any. Dealing with dancers is something I'm still struggling with, myself.
Run away and let a goon deal with them. Or, wait till your health drops to 50%, then run away and call them names from a safe distance.
Srsly there are like only five ppl in tremulous who dance like that.
Sound advice. Although, I find a lot of these pros are even better at dancing against goons. Still, name-calling is always a great way to fluster good players.
Seriously, when it comes to shit-talking, some of those people are like Jedi using the force.
Good. Let's just hope they stick to different servers. ;) If these guys find each other, I don't know what I'd do...
Well, actually, I guess I'd just go Rant.
But I HATE going Rant.
What's wrong with rant?
Id much rather just be doing the rants job, with a goon <3
Nice progression of your guide. I disagree that the mara isn't a killwhore though. I've been trying some new (to me) stuff with it, you can do more than a goon can in some situ's
Anyway, Conzul, your point is still valid. I'm gonna go edit that part to clarify that a good Mara CAN kill-whore in certain situations, especially when humans are S1.
Anyway, Conzul, your point is still valid. I'm gonna go edit that part to clarify that a good Mara CAN kill-whore in certain situations, especially when humans are S1.
Unless the humans are really sticking together in groups well, the dragoon is much better for killwhoring in hs1. If you're going mara in hs1 rather than goon, you're probably focusing on destroying the human base.
Very true, but no matter how many hitpoints a marauder has, it can't beat having a 1-hit kill with a greater range. A goon can kill a human in 0.9sec, a regular marauder takes 1.0sec. Advanced goons and advanced marauders can kill in the same time frame, but the marauder is harder by virtue of its shorter range and requiring two hits. And then there is pounce.
Keep in mind that if I were to have a favorite class, it would be the advanced marauder, but its hs2 that it really shows its worth, since it can be kept alive in more strenuous situations (especially those involving greater numbers of humans).
Don't neglect your backwards key. If a human reverses direction, it's stupid to turn a lot to keep up, compared to just backing up.
The most important thing about mara is, outside of accuracy, being able to make accurate predict the human's movement.
The most important skill of ANY, is to be able to predict human movement. It doesn't matter which class you are, if you can do this, you will PWN.
The most important skill of ANY, is to be able to predict human movement. It doesn't matter which class you are, if you can do this, you will PWN.
It's also good to keep in mind that properly predicting the future of a group vs. group fight can lead to you setting yourself up well enough to kill the entire human group.
Prediction comes into play more with mara because "long lined" patterns are effective against maras, meaning you have to alter your own movement direction much more often. Simple strafing and quick lateral movements are complete shit against any good mara, so you need to use more moves in which you sustain the same general direction of movement, or certain circling movements, although those will fail quickly and only work on the rare occasion.
Prediction comes into play more with mara because "long lined" patterns are effective against maras, meaning you have to alter your own movement direction much more often. Simple strafing and quick lateral movements are complete shit against any good mara, so you need to use more moves in which you sustain the same general direction of movement, or certain circling movements, although those will fail quickly and only work on the rare occasion.
I'm just gonna go ahead and put that in my guide, if it's okay with you. The Mara's movements are such an essential part of its ability and you did a great job of explaining why.
Also, when I said circling will only work occasionally, I meant that after someone does it to you once or twice you can easily just track them and keep hitting them, and you can quickly funlily its use by becoming prepared. St. Anger would kill me maybe once or twice and then it wouldn't work again, and just about everyone else was unable to use it since I was prepared.
is this the guide for 1.2? or 1.1? but it is a very useful guide i must say. :advmarauder:. i love theadv mara the most out off all the aliens because of its speed.
is this the guide for 1.2? or 1.1? but it is a very useful guide i must say. :advmarauder:. i love theadv mara the most out off all the aliens because of its speed.
It's for both, as there are places where things that differ from each version are noted.
Venkman: Can you add a note in the base raiding section that the marauder's zap is only highly effective vs. buildings in 1.2?
the new Adv. Mara is a Flying Lawnmower of Death+1
you say you should run when you see a chain suit and that is true, but want to know can be even MORE deadly? someone with a lassgun, helm, and good aim. reloading isn't a issue, it has perfect accuracy at any range, and if they have a helm they cant really be ambushed.Not really, chain suit, and chain gun in general is far worse of an enemy for a marauder than a lasgunner. A chaingun's damage per second is twice the lasgun's and doesn't need reload either.
also, fear humans who get good with a high mouse sensitivity, as if they learn how,they can spin around even some of the best maras with out having to relay on dodge and spring, that paired with a lassgun, makes for a mara eater...
Nope.so i cant cant be good at dodging and like the lassgun? its not like is a this or that choice.
I'm finding it pretty crazy that you, some guy who claims that he loves to dodge, would be so in love with a weapon of range. It says that you clearly have no clue about how chaingun is, disregarding ammo limitations, pretty much more efficient than any other weapon if you know how to dodge, since the lack of range loses prominence when the aliens can't hit you up close anyways.
I tend to chaingun marauders in between 3 and 4 seconds if they try to engage me and don't get out within the first 1 1/2 seconds. Just try and give me some legit names who do that with lasgun damn near every time.
what the user is wear also plays a a key roll.
a chain suit may be able to take more damage and and dish more out a close range, but he is prone to be ambushed and is easier to run away from and range is a bad problem for it, while someone with a lassgun bpack and helm, can't be ambush effectively and has a godlike range and he can crouch, and i find that to be very useful in general and at not getting bit in the head from maras.
so i cant cant be good at dodging and like the lassgun? its not like is a tisor that choice.
for the chain accuracy deal i see your point but your giving the aliens a major advantage, if you mess up or he corners you with pounce or trample, your going to die
i bet when/if you used your medon top of that he has a better chance to runaway then you.
You give these points as though using anything but a battlesuit with chaingun is stupid, when chaingun is great with helmet and light armor. But I'll go away from that and remind you of how you only have to make one successful dodge while aiming at a goon that's pouncing you in order to kill it, unless it runs away. Also, I don't find it any harder to chase an alien with battlesuit than anything else. I'd say dodge's use in chasing aliens is almost as important as its use in not getting hit.
its kinda disorientating when you uses the chaingun without a battle suit and it can make you not use it to its full potential, and with the goon that depends on many things like goons skill, and it is easier to run away from a battlesuit as he does not have radar. why would you uses dodge to chase a alien, you might need it and i believe that sprinting is faster too.
Not what I was saying. My point was that for anyone who loves to dodge, like you, would realize that chaingun is the best weapon in the game for which dodging works with, save for luci. So either you don't know how to dodge, which would support the lack of knowledge of chaingun's potential, or you know how to dodge but don't use chaingun. Both void your credibility in this.
so if i don't know how to dodge i don't know how to use the chaingun and visa versa?no it does not, it might just mean the chain gun does not fit ply play style(not that it doesn't)or for other reasons. but how is that ruin my credibility? the chaingun is not THE dodging weapon, its the painsaw, you just can't bet it at close range.
"If you mess up or get cornered you're going to die." That's just stupid.
i ended cutting things out after here, after advantage i meant to say "your giving him close range, that's what alien specialize on so" but how is that stupid?
"Better chance to run away than you." I don't recall a time when me and an enemy simultaneously decided we were done fighting and ran. And the thing about the medkit; I just haven't the literacy to understand what the fuck you're saying I guess.
again i was cutting things out here, and that was stuff i forgot to delete.
So basically, as lasgun seems to be more widely used than the chaingun, its all the more interesting that you're experiencing more chaingun deaths.
My point was that for anyone who loves to dodge, like you, would realize that chaingun is the best weapon in the game for which dodging works with, save for luci. So either you don't know how to dodge, which would support the lack of knowledge of chaingun's potential, or you know how to dodge but don't use chaingun. Both void your credibility in this.
I dodge around corners in pursuit of aliens all the time, chaingun with helmet does the trick very nicely for tearing huge chunks of health off whatever you're chasing, especially if you're not alone...
I enjoy running around with a helmet + light armor + chain + nadeif a mara jumps for the head in any way, a crouch can give your head just enough space to not get bit in the head, it works a good chunk of the time.
The chain works very well with marauders as long as you dance and don't let them bonce on your head..
I found crouching is a bad idea unless your far away or have cover.
The chains shaking isn't a problem in my opinion.
I think he meant crouching for long periods of time to steady your fire.I enjoy running around with a helmet + light armor + chain + nadeif a mara jumps for the head in any way, a crouch can give your head just enough space to not get bit in the head, it works a good chunk of the time.
The chain works very well with marauders as long as you dance and don't let them bonce on your head..
I found crouching is a bad idea unless your far away or have cover.
The chains shaking isn't a problem in my opinion.
Oh dear, bad quoting :)a chain suit may be able to take more damage and and dish more out a close range, but he is prone to be ambushed and is easier to run away from and range is a bad problem for it, while someone with a lassgun bpack and helm, can't be ambush effectively and has a godlike range and he can crouch, and i find that to be very useful in general and at not getting bit in the head from maras.
Oh dear, bad quoting :)a chain suit may be able to take more damage and and dish more out a close range, but he is prone to be ambushed and is easier to run away from and range is a bad problem for it, while someone with a lassgun bpack and helm, can't be ambush effectively and has a godlike range and he can crouch, and i find that to be very useful in general and at not getting bit in the head from maras.
My point was that for anyone who loves to dodge, like you, would realize that chaingun is the best weapon in the game for which dodging works with, save for luci. So either you don't know how to dodge, which would support the lack of knowledge of chaingun's potential, or you know how to dodge but don't use chaingun. Both void your credibility in this.