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Title: Lava_Croft Admin abuse.
Post by: ziplocpeople on July 02, 2010, 05:26:32 am

Okay, to make this short I'll get straight to the point. F50 gave a trusted Level 3 admin, Level 4. Lava Pretty much exploded and gave EVERYONE on the server Level 4. He may have missed a few, but trust me I'm not exaggerating. He was then set-leveled down to Level 1, and all the people whom he gave level 4 were demoted as well.

I'm not posting this to defame him, or any of that. Rather, to simply make it known (that at least in my opinion) he should not get his admin back. I simply do not believe he is stable enough to have Level 4, or level 3-- or anything else with setlevel for that matter. I think that the official servers should offer a stable environment to encourage the community to expand-- I understand his argument fully, but I don't believe that because there was one setlevel he disagreed with that he had the right to give every player on the server Level 4, even if it is to make a point.

If you don't believe me, I have it all on demo. While my opinion is very clearly bias by the fact that we're incompatible on a personal level, I'd feel exactly the same about this situation if one of my friends were to do the same, although they probably wouldn't be my friend for much longer.

Here's the demo: http://www.speedyshare.com/files/23217946/LavAbuse.dm_70

EDIT: To be clear, I don't agree with half the admins on the list either, including a few of the GT members. I just don't think that it's something I'd go setleveling an entire server over.
EDIT2: Thank you to whoever got rid of setlevel for admins lower than level5-- we have enough as it is.

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if I had setlevel I'd totally give you level2 :'( I still love you lava <33333333333

Level2 is a good level.

Title: Re: Lava_Croft Admin abuse.
Post by: ziplocpeople on July 02, 2010, 08:21:14 am

Quote from: + OPTIMUS + on July 02, 2010, 07:01:44 am

LOL

I don't get the joke, enlighten me.

Title: Re: Lava_Croft Admin abuse.
Post by: Thorn on July 02, 2010, 03:17:23 pm

There would never be such a complaint if everyone setlevelled wore a 'GT' tag.

Title: Re: Lava_Croft Admin abuse.
Post by: Cadynum on July 02, 2010, 05:46:29 pm

Quote from: Thorn on July 02, 2010, 03:17:23 pm

There would never be such a complaint if everyone setlevelled wore a 'GT' tag.

Um yes, people whine at that all the time.

Title: Re: Lava_Croft Admin abuse.
Post by: benmachine on July 02, 2010, 06:12:35 pm

When making a report like this, useful information is local time and date so that the logs can be easily tracked down.

Also guys, when someone posts an obnoxious number of little yellow faces, it'd be just great if you could avoid quoting it. Twice.

Title: Re: Lava_Croft Admin abuse.
Post by: ziplocpeople on July 02, 2010, 07:18:32 pm

Quote from: Thorn on July 02, 2010, 03:17:23 pm

There would never be such a complaint if everyone setlevelled wore a 'GT' tag.

I would, I disagree with half the admins on the list as it is-- I love GT as much as the next clam, but to be completely honest most of them aren't fit to be an admin, or even have Level 2 for that matter.

Quote from: benmachine on July 02, 2010, 06:12:35 pm

When making a report like this, useful information is local time and date so that the logs can be easily tracked down.

Also guys, when someone posts an obnoxious number of little yellow faces, it'd be just great if you could avoid quoting it. Twice.

Well, I don't know the exact time it happened, but the demo was last modified 7/01/10 at 11:05 PM EST. My clock's probably off by a bit but I hope that helps-- and about the smiles... yeah, I probably shouldn't of quoted him...

Title: Re: Lava_Croft Admin abuse.
Post by: David on July 02, 2010, 08:07:03 pm

Another thing you can do is say some random string of junk in game, and then tell us exactly what it was so we can just search on that (hopefully unique) string and find the game that way.

Title: Re: Lava_Croft Admin abuse.
Post by: kharnov on July 02, 2010, 08:26:50 pm

Lava ex machina

by Karnov "Kharnov" Karnovsky

Love is one of those things you never forget, like a soft whiff of perfume from some forgotten damsel, a ride through the countryside with your beloved, a freshly picked truffle shared between two. The day I met him will never slip past my memory. Forever my Lava, forever my Beloved.
At my chateau in Avignon I spent many summers, nursing my wounds from the Great War whilst cultivating a fine harvest from my vineyards. 'twas mid-summer when I was picking my fleshy Merlot that I had first seen him in my fields, his windswept hair trailing in the breeze, his lips a deep wine red. A deep Merlot red. The coincidence had not struck me at the time, for I was immediately blinded by love. I chased him merrily through my fields, bounding after him with a new bounce in my step, for I had learned to love again.
Vexed by my amorous advances, Lava evaded me for many days, disappearing into the tangled vines before I could catch his supple frame. War had aged me beyond my years, but it had taught me patience. Those trenches had left me a different man, no longer a youthful idealist of yesteryear but a hardened veteran. There could be no tears anymore, no disappointment, only my Lava, now and forever. Steadfast, I descended into the greenery with naught but my love, and emerged hours later holding him in my arms, sweat dripping from my brow.
After weeks of silence, during which my love had never left his room, I at last caught him draped in bedsheets, rummaging through my pantry. He spun around to face me, his youthful face white in the terror of the moment, his chartreuse eyes staring at me quizzically, wanting, no, desiring an answer. My response came as I pressed my lips to his, holding his head in place with the firm grip of my hands. As I withdrew nearly an eternity later, I whispered lovely things into his ears and gently caressed his cheeks. Tears, not of terror, but of joy.
"I don't understand, Kharnov. If you hate me so much, why did you invite me into GT? So I can be an attention whore too?" he gasped, faltering under my touch like a ripe grape spilling forth its lovely nectar.
"Silence, my love. We'll settle this in the master bedroom," I muttered in response to his query, as once more I took him into my arms. He was as a cherub, light and pale as air, expediting my ascent up the grand staircase.
As I took each bound up the stairs, my feet pounding in lockstep with the pounding of my heartbeat, I laid my dearest Lava upon the finest satin pillows and slowly swayed around the bedroom as I lit a candle for every day that I promised to love him. The entire abode had been lit from wall to wall with the flames of passion, each stick of scented wax offering its own say in the grand commotion of odors. Minutes melted by like the trickle of liquid tallow dripping from the racks on the walls, pooling on the floor until a mighty sea accumulated. The bed was our boat, and we rocked the sea of love as we consummated our hasty marriage.
For hours we laid there in the afterglow, gazing upon each other as if we had been the creator, the one who had given rise to all love and beautiful things in the world, the source of all that was pure and delightful. It did not matter that morning had soon approached, for there was no time outside this humble dwelling, no responsibilities, the harshness of the world drowned out in the sighing of an angel. My angel. My Lava. I kissed him before I slipped off into slumber, every muscle in my body pleading for but a few hours respite.
As I awoke nearly a day later, there had been no movement by my side. Had my love gone off to the outhouse? Perhaps to the pantry once more to raid like the rascal he was? No, there was something under the covers to my side, but there was no movement, no sound of breath. With a great wail I cried out in anguish, tearing away the blanket from the body of my seraph.
Gripping his shoulders with both my hands, I shook him desperately, trying to coax him back to life. I gave him my breath into his lips, I searched desperately for an obstruction in his gullet. No! Not my Lava! Please, take me instead! In all my commotion, I had not noticed that his eyes had opened once more.
Gasping for breath, he could barely crane his head up to look at me, let alone speak. I knew for an instant that my love had been too much. There could be no doctors to call for, no aid that could be given to my love, but for my companionship at the bedside in his final moments of lucidity.
"Oh, I don't feel so hot anymore," groaned Lava, for the last time. He sunk into a deep sleep, the eternal sleep, that which separates lovers forever. Distraught, I looked to the sky, pleading to heavens above for an answer as tears streamed down my quivering cheeks like the river Rhine. This was a joke! This must have been a joke! The answer laid in my dresser. Binding my bayonet to my shaking left hand, I did what many of those bloodthirsty Prussians had desired to do in those trench charges. Upon my last dying gasps I embraced my Lava, our sanguine love pooling around us in deep crimson. Blood, rich like magma. Love, rich like Lava.
The real joke, folks, is that Lava was given admin in the first place. gg. 

:granger: Fin. :granger:

Title: Re: Lava_Croft Admin abuse.
Post by: ziplocpeople on July 02, 2010, 08:29:33 pm

Quote from: David on July 02, 2010, 08:07:03 pm

Another thing you can do is say some random string of junk in game, and then tell us exactly what it was so we can just search on that (hopefully unique) string and find the game that way.

http://stats.tremulous.net/tremstats/us1/game_log.php?game_id=9132 Here's the game that it happened, unfortunately the logs don't show admin commands.

Title: Re: Lava_Croft Admin good use.
Post by: Crava_Loft on July 02, 2010, 09:17:13 pm

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Title: Re: Lava_Croft Admin good use.
Post by: ziplocpeople on July 02, 2010, 09:43:52 pm

Quote from: Crava_Loft on July 02, 2010, 09:17:13 pm

What do you expect from a crack addict? They will try everything to lose others trust.
I like his nick though.

I do love his nick, very much so. Along with that long slender body of his... Mmmm.

Title: Re: Lava_Croft Admin abuse.
Post by: Thorn on July 02, 2010, 10:41:23 pm

Quote from: ziplocpeople on July 02, 2010, 07:18:32 pm

I would, I disagree with half the admins on the list as it is-- I love GT as much as the next clam, but to be completely honest most of them aren't fit to be an admin, or even have Level 2 for that matter.

That's what I'm getting at - the majority of the admins are prats.

There's a fair bit of hypocrisy to go around implementing a system where 'official' servers are always listed first, allowing players to always have somewhere standard and well-adminned and then let rights be dished out to anyone and everyone who complies to certain standards (standards being: anyone with a 'GT' tag can get admin).

Title: Re: Lava_Croft Admin abuse.
Post by: kharnov on July 03, 2010, 05:19:00 am

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(standards being: anyone with a 'GT' tag can get admin).

No, I don't think so. I'm not going to give you that. This is going to stop.

Barring ones I don't know about, these are all GT tag-bearers l3 and up, the only ones capable of "abusing":

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F50, l4.
Medi, l4.
Techie, l3.
Kharnov, l3.
Dragoon, l3.
Deadbeat, l3.
Zeyphr, l3.
Honest Abe, l3.
Heli, l3.
Conzul, l3.

This is the current roster of GT: https://sites.google.com/site/veryfirm/the-team#TOC-Roster (https://sites.google.com/site/veryfirm/the-team#TOC-Roster)

As of now, barring a certain joke member, we have 62 members. 10 of our members happen to be admin. Does this mean that to be an admin, players have to be a GT member? Surely, I've been promoting every single member, right? Because this is a giant conspiracy keeping down Tremulous 1.2! Think of all the abuse that those dastardly GT members are going to be causing! Abuse! Abuse!

Let's look at another tag, this time DSPro:

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Lecavalier, l3
Fallen, l3
Prince Andrei, l3
Deathof1, l3
scrape, l4
Akatsuki, l3
TheLinker, l3

Wow! Every single DSPro member on 1.2 is an admin! That's 100 percent, compared to GT at 16 percent!

How about ><?

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Zortinator, l4
Warlock, l4
3of12, l4
FreaK, l4
Equilibrium, l4
JSTM, l4
Kiwi, l4
TMLer, l4
Hamstar, l4
Ryan, l3
Almond, l3

Gosh! Not only are they all admin, but the vast majority of them are senior admins! Conspiracy! Abuse!

Conclusion: with any large group of people, you will run into some that can't control themselves, and some that end up admin. Sometimes you will find that the probabilities for both will unfortunately overlap. I have not promoted anyone that has abused, and the ones capable of doing such have lost their admin a long time ago. Did you know that we also promote people that aren't GT members? When we were capable of setleveling, we only gave admin to people we could trust, and I'm sure F50 could tell you just how painful it was for me to promote someone, how anxious I was over admin chat, because I saw it as an honor to give admin to another player. Now that setlevel is gone, people like you have nothing to worry about anymore! So relax, and please, shut up.

Have a nice day, sir.

Title: Re: Lava_Croft Admin abuse.
Post by: ziplocpeople on July 03, 2010, 06:02:10 am

Quote from: Thorn on July 02, 2010, 10:41:23 pm

Quote from: ziplocpeople on July 02, 2010, 07:18:32 pm

I would, I disagree with half the admins on the list as it is-- I love GT as much as the next clam, but to be completely honest most of them aren't fit to be an admin, or even have Level 2 for that matter.

That's what I'm getting at - the majority of the admins are prats.

There's a fair bit of hypocrisy to go around implementing a system where 'official' servers are always listed first, allowing players to always have somewhere standard and well-adminned and then let rights be dished out to anyone and everyone who complies to certain standards (standards being: anyone with a 'GT' tag can get admin).

Thorn, this thread isn't about GT. Seriously, are you going to follow me around on all the threads I make looking for a way to bash GT? If so please find yourself some medical attention. I make a serious thread about a Level 4 admin abusing a command, and you randomly drop in and start complaining about an online group I lead. I'm not sure if you're trying to impress my lover (Lava_Croft) and steal him away from me, but this topic is about Lava_Croft, and not about GT or any of its members-- except perhaps the ones that were on during the incident.

In conclusion if you have any problem with GT I'd greatly appreciate you talk to me directly about it, rather than posting in a thread, and going off topic and distracting others from the original topic of the thread. In fact, I believe that this is covered by rule #5 of the Tremulous Forums.

EDIT: Another option, make your own thread about GT abuse.

Title: Re: Lava_Croft Admin abuse.
Post by: Deadbeat Engineer on July 03, 2010, 02:50:42 pm

So to get things straight, after Lava ABOOSE'D ;D setlevel was taken away from everyone except lv.5 right?

Title: Re: Lava_Croft Admin abuse.
Post by: Conzul on July 03, 2010, 04:13:53 pm

Then again, Me and F50 are like the only GT admins that haven't been accused of abuse at one time or another.

Title: Re: Lava_Croft Admin abuse.
Post by: ziplocpeople on July 03, 2010, 10:18:33 pm

@Deadbeat: Yeah, pretty much.

Quote from: Conzul on July 03, 2010, 04:13:53 pm

Then again, Me and F50 are like the only GT admins that haven't been accused of abuse at one time or another.

You're missing a few...

Title: Re: Lava_Croft Admin abuse.
Post by: Lava_Croft on July 04, 2010, 12:07:18 am

This looks like another mission accomplished.

Title: Re: Lava_Croft Admin abuse.
Post by: your face on July 04, 2010, 12:15:58 am

With a great victory comes great sacrifice.

Title: Re: Lava_Croft Admin abuse.
Post by: _Equilibrium_ on July 07, 2010, 04:02:15 am

Quote from: kharnov on July 03, 2010, 05:19:00 am

How about ><?

Quote

Zortinator, l4
Warlock, l4
3of12, l4
FreaK, l4
Equilibrium, l4
JSTM, l4
Kiwi, l4
TMLer, l4
Hamstar, l4
Ryan, l3
Almond, l3

Gosh! Not only are they all admin, but the vast majority of them are senior admins! Conspiracy! Abuse!

All those >< members are admins because they've been respected members of the community for a long time, except for maybe Freak :). Not because they are in ><. I didn't even know most of the GT members until I became a regular at the US1 server.

Title: Re: Lava_Croft Admin abuse.
Post by: mooseberry on July 07, 2010, 05:09:45 am

Quote from: _Equilibrium_ on July 07, 2010, 04:02:15 am

Quote from: kharnov on July 03, 2010, 05:19:00 am

How about ><?

Quote

Zortinator, l4
Warlock, l4
3of12, l4
FreaK, l4
Equilibrium, l4
JSTM, l4
Kiwi, l4
TMLer, l4
Hamstar, l4
Ryan, l3
Almond, l3

Gosh! Not only are they all admin, but the vast majority of them are senior admins! Conspiracy! Abuse!

All those >< members are admins because they've been respected members of the community for a long time, except for maybe Freak :). Not because they are in ><. I didn't even know most of the GT members until I became a regular at the US1 server.

That's... kind of his point... no wait that is exactly what his point was implying.

Title: Re: Lava_Croft Admin abuse.
Post by: _Equilibrium_ on July 07, 2010, 05:11:47 am

How is that his point? Wasn't his point that a lot of the members of a clan are getting admin just because their buddies in the clan give it to them for the heck of it?

Title: Re: Lava_Croft Admin abuse.
Post by: Silver on July 07, 2010, 05:25:31 am

Drop it like its hot.

Title: Re: Lava_Croft Admin abuse.
Post by: mooseberry on July 07, 2010, 05:47:46 am

Quote from: _Equilibrium_ on July 07, 2010, 05:11:47 am

How is that his point? Wasn't his point that a lot of the members of a clan are getting admin just because their buddies in the clan give it to them for the heck of it?

Nooo... that was the point of the people kharnov was responding to. Kharnov however, (who you quoted) was saying that just because a lot of members of a clan are admin, doesn't imply some conspiracy.

Title: Re: Lava_Croft Admin abuse.
Post by: Aelita on July 15, 2010, 09:32:37 pm

Quote from: kharnov on July 02, 2010, 08:26:50 pm

pure beauty

This is the most amazing thing I think I've ever read here. Highly approve.