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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Firstinaction on September 27, 2010, 11:15:08 am
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:) Hello people on tremulous I was wondering about 1.1... I just thought how some people are saying there are about 1000 people trying tremulous per day, and they "stop because of the crapy tutorial system". And most people who play free mmofps they have a PC... So... I just want to know if those new people do they just play 1.1 and dont even try 1.2...
how is 1.1 compared too 1.2
Are there more people in 1.1 then in 1.2
Or what about the official U.S server(How many people playing per day...
I just want to know. I cant see it because I'm using a apple mac and the build for 1.2 they made it for mac...
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13:23 <Meisseli> !tremstats %1.1
13:23 <river-tam> 150 Servers responded with 141 players and 1 bots. (cache 0s
old)
13:23 <Meisseli> !tremstats %gpp
13:23 <river-tam> 21 Servers responded with 18 players and 0 bots. (cache 10s
old)
You should really get IRC to not spam a thread every once in a while. Although you would probably get banned for being so annoying anyways.
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how is 1.1 compared too 1.2
1.1 > GPP
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And yeah, this thread will probably turn into yet another religious war of 1.1 versus 1.2.
You should play it yourself and find out the differences to spare us from the upcoming flamewar.
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Lock asap. Useless thread is useless.
Just like every other he makes.
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More people play 1.1. Enough play 1.2 to be reasonably sure of a well populated server when you feel like playing though.
Yes, there is a default gpp build for mac which works pretty well. If you want to try 1.1 try the mac build of tremfusion. Also try segfault (search the forums) for an alternative gpp client, which kiwi compiled for mac.
IMO, gpp is a lot more fun/dynamic/interesting/skillful/logical, especially building wise. Clearly people disagree on this though, and quite strongly, as can be seen from the use of large red fonts in this thread.
Check out the threads in the developer's corner section if you'd like to see the exact differences. They are pretty much all gameplay related variable changes, though there were a few graphical improvements too.
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I miss :hovel:
Other than that and faster goon chomping, 1.2 is superior in every way.
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how is 1.1 compared too 1.2
1.1 > GPP
GPP is a beta not a release so ofc it will have less people but for gameplay
GPP > 1.1
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how is 1.1 compared too 1.2
1.1 > GPP
GPP is a beta not a release so ofc it will have less people but for gameplay
GPP > 1.1
QFT!!!
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how is 1.1 compared too 1.2
1.1 < GPP
Fixed
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Why do you think every decent player quit tremulous when GPP was released. GPP sucks.
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Why do you think every decent player quit tremulous when GPP was released. GPP sucks.
ALSO HAVE YOU NOTICED HOW GPP IS AN ACRONYM OF GAY PENIS PLAYER?!
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Did you know that Stannumuffins are actually burnt? Don't believe me? Here is a proof! http://janvanderweg.com/pics/tremulous/flamer_concept1.jpg
As you can see, it is hosted on Stannums site. Anyway, GPP is better then 1.1, but 1.2 will not be better then 1.1. It will be ownage of 1.1.
GPP means GamePlay Preview, not Tremulous final 1.2 z0mG wtfhax finalz version y0u nuUb! Eat it fatty!
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Why do you think every decent player quit tremulous when GPP was released. GPP sucks.
That makes sense.
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GPP > 1.1 and GPP !=(i think) Final 1.2.
In gpp I like the game mechanics(new rant physics, new smoothed humans running, goon pounce domination, new barp, mobile booster :basilisk: ).
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Why do you think every decent player quit tremulous when GPP was released. GPP sucks.
That makes sense.
Hey don't kill the messenger. Just look at the facts. Even if those "pros" were assholes. They were the ones that dominated this game skill-wise and all of them left when or shortly after gpp was released.
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Perhaps because they were upset they weren't automatically winning anymore?
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Perhaps because they were upset they weren't automatically winning anymore?
Or because they were waiting 50 years for 1.2, and then they realised it was going to suck?
Somehow I think my explanation is more viable.
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Tremulous never had any pros.
Get over yourselves and get a life.
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But im pro!
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Why do you think every decent player quit tremulous when GPP was released. GPP sucks.
That makes sense.
Hey don't kill the messenger. Just look at the facts. Even if those "pros" were assholes. They were the ones that dominated this game skill-wise and all of them left when or shortly after gpp was released.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't mooseberry pointing out that there's no reason for them to quit when they can just carry on playing 1.1? Especially if all the non-decent players decide to move to GPP, since that would mean no more nooby feeders on 1.1 servers.
I propose that the decent players you refer to actually just got bored with tremulous and moved on to other things. In that case all GPP did was fail to rekindle thier passion for tremulous. Maybe that's what you mean.
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Why do you think every decent player quit tremulous when GPP was released. GPP sucks.
That makes sense.
Hey don't kill the messenger. Just look at the facts. Even if those "pros" were assholes. They were the ones that dominated this game skill-wise and all of them left when or shortly after gpp was released.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't mooseberry pointing out that there's no reason for them to quit when they can just carry on playing 1.1? Especially if all the non-decent players decide to move to GPP, since that would mean no more nooby feeders on 1.1 servers.
I propose that the decent players you refer to actually just got bored with tremulous and moved on to other things. In that case all GPP did was fail to rekindle thier passion for tremulous. Maybe that's what you mean.
Something a long the lines of that. They had high hopes for 1.2 even though most of them never thought they'd see any progress on it and then MG dev became what is to be 1.2 and it shattered any interest they had left in the game.
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I actually prefer Tremulous version 1.1 compared with 1.2 due to the fact that the Alien's Adv Marauder class is quite overpowered in 1.2. Everyone abuses and everyone plays as it but in 1.1 people played with mostly adv goon and rant. In 1.2 the adv marauder can severely damage the human base just by using the chain lightning attack.
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I actually prefer Tremulous version 1.1 compared with 1.2 due to the fact that the Alien's Adv Marauder class is quite overpowered in 1.2. Everyone abuses and everyone plays as it but in 1.1 people played with mostly adv goon and rant. In 1.2 the adv marauder can severely damage the human base just by using the chain lightning attack.
A couple of people and teslas on the H base can fix the problem with the AdvMarauder.
By the way for tremstat 1.2 more deaths does AdvGoon and TRant :).
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Probably need to ask about a 1.2 top100 tremstat(US and EU servers) players : http://stats.tremulous.net/tremstats/us1/top_players.php (http://stats.tremulous.net/tremstats/us1/top_players.php), and not players from outside(1.1 players).
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I actually prefer Tremulous version 1.1 compared with 1.2 due to the fact that the Alien's Adv Marauder class is quite overpowered in 1.2. Everyone abuses and everyone plays as it but in 1.1 people played with mostly adv goon and rant. In 1.2 the adv marauder can severely damage the human base just by using the chain lightning attack.
Isn't it actually good that people use classes more variedly?
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now we're much closer to 1.2 than month ago…
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Amz I fucking love you baby. By the way, I quit smoking! haha
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Amz I fucking love you baby. By the way, I quit smoking! haha
Well someone has to talk sense about 1.1, seeing as SOME PEOPLE, abandoned ship.
Congratz, your premature death at 32 has been averted! and you now owe me your life.
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Why whine all time that 1.2 sucks, while 1.1 is still working (for now) and is active?
Go away, you make me sad. :(
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Why whine all time that 1.2 sucks, while 1.1 is still working (for now) and is active?
Go away, you make me sad. :(
Because of the (for now) bit.
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I played 1.1 for a fucking million years, then i grew sick of it and quit and then i came back to try GPP and it was decent.
When i try to play 1.1 now i'm all ugh. this brings back memories of 1 hour long camp on camp stalemates.
you people who like 1.1 more are babies and blah. :police:
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I enjoy 1.1 much more than 1.2. I agree with some people about the mara in 1.2 it is overpowered in every way. In 1.1 I find their to be descent players for the most part. A few good ones like TearOfSad,Daz,Draik,Sing, and a few more. Just that in every game their is always ALOT of camping almost always on the humans part. They are just pussies and they don't want to come out which isn't a surprise. In the end 1.1 is still better.
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1.1 is the campiest game in history. And no it's not because of "pussies".
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I enjoy 1.1 much more than 1.2. I agree with some people about the mara in 1.2 it is overpowered in every way. In 1.1 I find their to be descent players for the most part. A few good ones like TearOfSad,Daz,Draik,Sing, and a few more. Just that in every game their is always ALOT of camping almost always on the humans part. They are just pussies and they don't want to come out which isn't a surprise. In the end 1.1 is still better.
That's all of 4 people bro. Sadly, there aren't many more than that who still play.
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I enjoy 1.1 much more than 1.2. I agree with some people about the mara in 1.2 it is overpowered in every way. In 1.1 I find their to be descent players for the most part. A few good ones like TearOfSad,Daz,Draik,Sing, and a few more. Just that in every game their is always ALOT of camping almost always on the humans part. They are just pussies and they don't want to come out which isn't a surprise. In the end 1.1 is still better.
Hmmm, so why aren't aliens using that overpowered adv mara to rush and overpower the campy humans, or are you playing bad custom maps on ubp servers? to be fair, it seems that a lot of players, on us1 at least, have forgotten that marazap in groups is pretty bloody devastating, instead they all barrel in with a bunch of rants and wonder why they get destroyed.
Has 1.1 seriously not died yet?
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Has 1.1 seriously not died yet?
It's much more active than GPP encase you didn't know.
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I actually prefer Tremulous version 1.1 compared with 1.2 due to the fact that the Alien's Adv Marauder class is quite overpowered in 1.2. Everyone abuses and everyone plays as it but in 1.1 people played with mostly adv goon and rant. In 1.2 the adv marauder can severely damage the human base just by using the chain lightning attack.
Isn't it actually good that people use classes more variedly?
Exactly.
Look, I bitched about 1.2 for a while. Then I actually play it long enough to adjust and now I couldn't imagine going back to 1.1 and trying to inch my way into a hard-camped human base round after round, playing nothing but goon because Mara was so squishy and just waiting for some deconner to sign on and fuck up my base.
In GPP, EVERY alien is more fun to play. The art of the pounce has never been more fluid. Rant crush makes every ramp and stairway a deathtrap, and the Adv. Mara is actually worth the 3 evos that it costs.
Also, people in GPP actually fight ALL AROUND THE MAP because humans no longer have to rely on camping to win. In fact, GPP-camping usually leads to nothing but certain death.
So if you like hard-camping, useless mara, and a castrated pounce then 1.1 is definately your game. If you like using more than one alien and humans who actually leave base more than once per round, then please come play GPP.
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So if you like hard-camping, useless mara, and a castrated pounce then 1.1 is definately your game. If you like using more than one alien and humans who actually leave base more than once per round, then please come play GPP.
Heh, a nice summary actually. I would only add far less corner camping, plenty more action and ten times more fun building (fwd bases actually WORK!) in 1.2 :)
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Mara zap in GPP is ONLY overpowered against turtle shelled compact 1.1 style bases you camp a lot in. If you build spaced out, and god forbid, even make forward bases (possible in GPP!!) you won't have more trouble with zap than you will the occasional sniper or rant. The map control humans get, that they previously lacked utilizes levels to create more varied gameplay. word.
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I like 1.1 forward bases. If you pull them off, everybody shits a brick.
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(http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr247/mixlass/funny%20gifs/bendershittingbricks.gif)
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(http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr247/mixlass/funny%20gifs/bendershittingbricks.gif)
HAHAHAH funney episode
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Heh, a nice summary actually. I would only add far less corner camping, plenty more action and ten times more fun building (fwd bases actually WORK!) in 1.2 :)
Thanks. And oh, yeah. 1.2-forwards are so awesome. Got a bunch of camp-happy noobs causing the round to drag?
Don't sweat it. Just build yourself a well-placed forward-base with an arm/booster and simply rape the residual 1.1-habits out of them until they learn how to do it right.
Mara zap in GPP is ONLY overpowered against turtle shelled compact 1.1 style bases you camp a lot in. If you build spaced out, and god forbid, even make forward bases (possible in GPP!!) you won't have more trouble with zap than you will the occasional sniper or rant. The map control humans get, that they previously lacked utilizes levels to create more varied gameplay. word.
Word, indeed.
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I really am at loss as to why you think 1.1 supporters are disputing your opinion?
The point is that a large population of the trem community (if you dispute that, then a significant pop) don't like 1.2. And their opinions are just as valid as yours.
I have no problem with the majority of building changes. My problem centres on the balance changes. I agree that the balance needed to be fixed from 1.1, but it didn't need to be reinvented.
In conclusion, GPP sux.
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The point is that a large population of the trem community (if you dispute that, then a significant pop) don't like 1.2. And their opinions are just as valid as yours.
Not if they're wrong. Their enjoyment of 1.1 is invalid if we can prove its not as good.
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I really am at loss as to why you think 1.1 supporters are disputing your opinion?
The point is that a large population of the trem community (if you dispute that, then a significant pop) don't like 1.2. And their opinions are just as valid as yours.
I have no problem with the majority of building changes. My problem centres on the balance changes. I agree that the balance needed to be fixed from 1.1, but it didn't need to be reinvented.
In conclusion, GPP sux.
From my experience, most of people's negative feelings towards GPP come from back when GPP was initially released. Since then, GPP has been improved greatly, especially since goon chomp range was fixed.
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The point is that a large population of the trem community (if you dispute that, then a significant pop) don't like 1.2. And their opinions are just as valid as yours.
They aren't valid as long as they haven't given 1.2 a chance. The most who play 1.1 have never tried it or not even know much at all about the changes. All they know is that it doesn't have granger hovel and someone told them 1.2 sux so they think so too. I doubt you have given 1.2 a proper chance either.
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The point is that a large population of the trem community (if you dispute that, then a significant pop) don't like 1.2. And their opinions are just as valid as yours.
They aren't valid as long as they haven't given 1.2 a chance. The most who play 1.1 have never tried it or not even know much at all about the changes. All they know is that it doesn't have granger hovel and someone told them 1.2 sux so they think so too. I doubt you have given 1.2 a proper chance either.
Yes
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The point is that a large population of the trem community (if you dispute that, then a significant pop) don't like 1.2. And their opinions are just as valid as yours.
They aren't valid as long as they haven't given 1.2 a chance. The most who play 1.1 have never tried it or not even know much at all about the changes. All they know is that it doesn't have granger hovel and someone told them 1.2 sux so they think so too. I doubt you have given 1.2 a proper chance either.
QFT!
If I could give you more than 1 ret right now I would.
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I think humans only camp because they are afraid to feed. On wonderland, helmets were added to s1, but that kinda made humans overpowered... if all the humans knew how to buy the helmet.
Here's another myth: dretches aren't afraid to get out because their tiny. Make non-armoured people base sizes like 25?
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GPP sux.
Not for what it is, but for what it did to 1.1's playerbase. Good improvements or not, it split the community one time too many. Now players of both games are like "shit man there's barely anyone here"
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GPP sux.
Not for what it is, but for what it did to 1.1's playerbase. Good improvements or not, it split the community one time too many. Now players of both games are like "shit man there's barely anyone here"
It's sad because I know how many people are still playing 1.1 and, on nights where the GPP server is empty, I SHOULD be tempted to go play with the 1.1 die-hards but I'm not.
1.2 is just such a better sleaker game and I know if those purists on AA and BB would simply give the newest version of GPP a chance, they would see how badass it has become.
I know, I know... Change is scary and you love the hovel. But sometimes, if you really love something, you have to set it free.
"if you really love me, you'd let me die in peace..."
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:hovel:
I promise, once you get adjusted, you'll never want to go back.
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R.I.P. poor Hovel. Rest in peace. :'(
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GPP sux.
Not for what it is, but for what it did to 1.1's playerbase. Good improvements or not, it split the community one time too many. Now players of both games are like "shit man there's barely anyone here"
It's sad because I know how many people are still playing 1.1 and, on nights where the GPP server is empty, I SHOULD be tempted to go play with the 1.1 die-hards but I'm not.
1.2 is just such a better sleaker game and I know if those purists on AA and BB would simply give the newest version of GPP a chance, they would see how badass it has become.
I know, I know... Change is scary and you love the hovel. But sometimes, if you really love something, you have to set it free.
"if you really love me, you'd let me die in peace..."
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I promise, once you get adjusted, you'll never want to go back.
I find that 1.1 is more fun than GPP when both teams play aggressively, but if humans have 5 chainsuits camping behind turrets, then GPP is definitely the way to go.
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i believe that both 1.1 and 1.2 will eventually...... die regardless of what anyone thinks.
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i believe that both 1.1 and 1.2 will eventually...... die regardless of what anyone thinks.
I predict that by the year 3027, Tremulous will probably have died.
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i believe that both 1.1 and 1.2 will eventually...... die regardless of what anyone thinks.
I predict that by the year 3027, Tremulous will probably have died.
Is it... Can it be... Mooseberry the... PROPHET?
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GPP sux.
Not for what it is, but for what it did to 1.1's playerbase. Good improvements or not, it split the community one time too many. Now players of both games are like "shit man there's barely anyone here"
It's sad because I know how many people are still playing 1.1 and, on nights where the GPP server is empty, I SHOULD be tempted to go play with the 1.1 die-hards but I'm not.
1.2 is just such a better sleaker game and I know if those purists on AA and BB would simply give the newest version of GPP a chance, they would see how badass it has become.
I know, I know... Change is scary and you love the hovel. But sometimes, if you really love something, you have to set it free.
"if you really love me, you'd let me die in peace..."
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:hovel:
I promise, once you get adjusted, you'll never want to go back.
I disagree. Collectively counting Saturday dev games on MG Dev while it was still technically just a dev server and not GPP I have over 100 hours playing GPP and I still much prefer 1.1. I can get on 1.1 and play for about 5-6 hours fine as long as there is enough people on but I usually don't last longer than 3 rounds on GPP without getting bored even if I/myteams dominate. If I play humans I find it's just way to easy killwhore because of the over-all damage/kill over-power by humans way too dominating and on aliens maraing or adv gooning human base in s2 can end games pre-s3 super easy. Which is probably the only thing I like because once games get to s3 in both 1.1 and GPP I find them to just kind of go downhill in game enjoyability. GPP has some things I like. Lower HP on tyrants, lisk adjustments, and healing system(while I think it's far from finished the whole run around a corner and be back to full hp in just a few is bullshit in 1.1). There is just way to many things that over-shadow my likes. I can't stand the new turrets at all, the new luci bothers me, the mara movement changes are just retarded, the mara is way over-powered, goon barb is to strong with too long of a regen, tyrant trample is just ridiculous as it can get, goon pounce knockback is overkill but at least in the right direction, and the regeneration system outside of the booster/lisk is to much. So yeah long story short I much prefer 1.1 overall.
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So you're another person who claims that it's too easy to killwhore with humans, but at the same time the adv mara and other aliens are overpowered?
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Im very old player of trem, i even remember 'please some1 join aliens, i wanna be human' times. I just cant get why ppls think 1.1 games are campy. If you have no balls you gonna camp in any case. Noobs just scared and thats why they camp, its not problem of balance. I playing 1.1 every day and see not so many 'campy' games. If you think you're good player - its also not a problem rush 'camping humans'. If you cant do this and wanna 'change balance so humans cant camp' then u just same noob as that campers. I can say 1.1 is pretty balanced after all years of playing (mara useless? lol, its deadly if you knmow how). Why should i switch to weirdly distorted balance (and nothing more offered by gpp) just caus some noobs cant solve ingame situations? We w8 so long for 1.2 and all we get is balance distortion (what can be ezy released as mod, one or two days of work). Many good ideas about 1.2, offered by players, just was declined. So... >.<'
And ye, i tried 1.2 and still prefer 1.1
I wont play 1.2 until it will be fully released, and even after full 1.2 release i will w8 for 1.1 mod servers to play (excep some serious changes in 1.2 conception).
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that was coherent, are we actually recruiting trem players directly from the jeremy kyle show's reject list now?
CATAHA, have you actually played 1.2 recently, if so, under what name?
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is any changes since gpp start? lol
UPD: my nick for sure. and ye, read carefully... i PLAYED 1.2, we even started server
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is any changes since gpp start? lol
UPD: my nick for sure. and ye, read carefully... i PLAYED 1.2, we even started server
Ummm; yeah, a lot of changes have been made....
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i mean real changes, not small tweaks =D
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Phase 1 gpp is quite different from the current Phase(which I cant remember the number of...)
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Phase 1 gpp is quite different from the current Phase(which I cant remember the number of...)
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is any changes since gpp start? lol
Gee...
These are the 1.1 players whinging about bad 1.2? :(
Even I hated GPP Phase 1. Play the current version before voicing an opinion and play it for at least two weeks.
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These are the 1.1 players whinging about bad 1.2?
Bad 1.2? Lol... even bad 1.2 better than just... worthless 1.2 =) When something is bad you always can change something to make it better. How you can make better void? =}
Current? No, thanx. See no point check every other 'new and improved' release. Balance shifting like shit roaming in ice-hole. I better w8 till full release. An ye, i checked not so long time ago. My opinion not changed.
(P.S. Mainly i expect from 'NEXT' version of game some improvements, not just balance changes. If i need changed balance i just can tweak some mods under 1.1.)
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These are the 1.1 players whinging about bad 1.2?
Bad 1.2? Lol... even bad 1.2 better than just... worthless 1.2 =) When something is bad you always can change something to make it better. How you can make better void? =}
Current? No, thanx. See no point check every other 'new and improved' release. Balance shifting like shit roaming in ice-hole. I better w8 till full release. An ye, i checked not so long time ago. My opinion not changed.
(P.S. Mainly i expect from 'NEXT' version of game some improvements, not just balance changes. If i need changed balance i just can tweak some mods under 1.1.)
Balance first, visual improvements at the end. Thank god you don't get to decide how it's being developed.
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Ok, i think we can safely disregard anything CATAHA has to say on the matter until 1.2 final is released and he actually plays the thing. Maybe GPP needs to operate differently, these kids would be clamouring to play if it were a closed beta with an invite system.
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Pffft, there will always be griefers. It's a fucking universal law. :)
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Balance first, visual improvements at the end. Thank god you don't get to decide how it's being developed.
May be bugfix 1st? All i see its only balance tweaks. Thanx god out team have own developer so we can make improved mods. =)
Ok, i think we can safely disregard anything CATAHA has to say on the matter until 1.2 final is released and he actually plays the thing. Maybe GPP needs to operate differently, these kids would be clamouring to play if it were a closed beta with an invite system.
Not he but she =) And actually u just said bullshit - please dont ignore my opinion about rest of development process. =} Wanna change balance? Ok, as you wish. But why no bugs tweak? No engine/gameplay improvements? Oh, dont say about voice chat, lol... those who even use such things prefer mumble/ts. Wut we have left? Oh ye, good new weapon models... possible. So (its my personal opinion) we can say that trem continue dying. two years ago there was a lot of players in trem. What we see now? They all leave trem and switching to other projects. Even with fact of released 1.2 development version. May be just 'caus they see wut 1.2 becoming. Facts are obstinate thing. =)
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actually u just said bullshit
nope, stop the cutesy grins and gtfo until you've actually bothered to play a recent GPP...
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Instead of fixing the original game of bugs and balance issues, developers decide to make 1.2 which is not very much like 1.1 but has even worse balance. No regen outside of base for aliens plus 1.5 headshot modifier instead of 2 and even more overpowered luci is what 1.2 for me basically. So now we got this weird looking 1.1-mod which only distracts new players from the game. There are also not much servers on 1.2 so if i want to play it i can only have like 50 ping(though none plays that server). If i want to play 1.1, i can have 5 ping with 9 v 9 games every day. Even to start playing 1.2 you need to download a crapload of files. Why would 1.1 players switch to 1.2? It makes no sense because there are more and better players in 1.1 plus the new game(1.2) is still changing plus 1.1 has better balance. And dodge is stupid in trem sorry.
All 1.2 does is ruin game community. You shouldnt fix what is not broken doh. Improvements? oh yes that nice little bar representing trample/pounce charge, i like it. Though to speak seriously i like the delay for turrets fire because in 1.1 human base is largely inaccessible for aliens throughout the game, now they got a chance to go in and kill something.
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So CATAHA is saying the gameplay shouldn't be changed at all (since it might just get rid of the bad things like camp, bad building system, bad balance etc. in 1.1 games) without even playing 1.2 GPP.
I'm sorry but if I were to improve a game in a new version, I would certainly go for a better gameplay as a first priority like in every game developers do. To say bugs are not being fixed is quite questionable also if one just bothers to read some changelog (http://svn.icculus.org/tremulous?view=rev&revision=2060).
geg_Ma3gau is saying 1.2 sucks because 1.2 has bad balance (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=14028.0), headshot modifier is 1.5 instead of 2 (and yet damage was adjusted for aliens to do the same damage), lucifer cannon is overpowered and because he has 50 ping?
Nice arguments.
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Well, unless trem.net is going to end 1.1 for good, it is effectively splitting the community which will end up making both the 1.2 and 1.1 experience shittier for everyone. While i am not a fan of 1.2, i think the community needs to suck it up and put its weight behind either 1.1 or 1.2 or risk losing everything.
Sure, once 1.2 is released it will probably be the default client for download on trem.net, however how many players play 1.1 without ever knowing tremulous.net forums even exist? How many players do we have currently that havent even bothered to download TJW's backport? I think, conservatively, thats around 50-60% of the current 1.1 playerbase.
A lot of players dont understand english, dont understand the difference between 1.1 VS 1.2, dont know tremulous.net exists, and wouldnt bother even if they did know. There is no clear message being disseminated because the playerbase is split between small communities of mods and popular servers.. This is a recipe for disaster for the entire community unless something changes.
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Well, unless trem.net is going to end 1.1 for good, it is effectively splitting the community which will end up making both the 1.2 and 1.1 experience shittier for everyone. While i am not a fan of 1.2, i think the community needs to suck it up and put its weight behind either 1.1 or 1.2 or risk losing everything.
Sure, once 1.2 is released it will probably be the default client for download on trem.net, however how many players play 1.1 without ever knowing tremulous.net forums even exist? How many players do we have currently that havent even bothered to download TJW's backport? I think, conservatively, thats around 50-60% of the current 1.1 playerbase.
A lot of players dont understand english, dont understand the difference between 1.1 VS 1.2, dont know tremulous.net exists, and wouldnt bother even if they did know. There is no clear message being disseminated because the playerbase is split between small communities of mods and popular servers that basically guarantees the lack of a clear message getting out to everyone. This is a clear recipe for disaster for the entire community unless something changes.
That's kind of a moot point since players have found Tremulous already and I would really argue most of them have downloaded the client from the site. English skill was required to download the client in the first place.
One thing that I think hasn't been done though is a news item from the master server to old clients: "1.2 Beta is out!"
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...I usually don't last longer than 3 rounds on GPP without getting bored even if I/myteams dominate. If I play humans I find it's just way to easy killwhore because of the over-all damage/kill over-power by humans way too dominating and on aliens maraing or adv gooning human base in s2 can end games pre-s3 super easy.
So... Which side is the killwhore side now? To me, it sounds like you just explained why 1.2 is SUPERIOR to 1.1. Both teams have an equal amount of pwnability.
Which is probably the only thing I like because once games get to s3 in both 1.1 and GPP I find them to just kind of go downhill in game enjoyability.
To quote the Mooninite, Ignignokt... "That sounds like a personal problem."
...the whole run around a corner and be back to full hp in just a few is bullshit in 1.1
I totally agre...
...and the regeneration system outside of the booster/lisk is to much.
Please go back and read your previous quote. Now read this one.
You see where I'm going with this?
The mara is way over-powered...
Yeah, go tell that to anyone who can dodge.
...BTW, you know who can dodge? Humans in 1.2.
goon barb is to strong with too long of a regen...
One compensates for the other. It's called balance, a thing 1.1 didn't have much of.
tyrant trample is just ridiculous as it can get...
You know what else is ridiculous? EVERYTHING made available in S3. That's why it's so important to keep the other team from reaching it. It's this little thing Sun Tzu liked to call "strategy".
Maybe that's why you don't enjoy playing after S3: You can't appreciate what it takes to get there. Or maybe Tremulous just isn't your type of game.
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Oooooohoho how we can argue about this one.
Yes, your sig fits there perfectly.
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Well, unless trem.net is going to end 1.1 for good, it is effectively splitting the community which will end up making both the 1.2 and 1.1 experience shittier for everyone. While i am not a fan of 1.2, i think the community needs to suck it up and put its weight behind either 1.1 or 1.2 or risk losing everything.
Sure, once 1.2 is released it will probably be the default client for download on trem.net, however how many players play 1.1 without ever knowing tremulous.net forums even exist? How many players do we have currently that havent even bothered to download TJW's backport? I think, conservatively, thats around 50-60% of the current 1.1 playerbase.
A lot of players dont understand english, dont understand the difference between 1.1 VS 1.2, dont know tremulous.net exists, and wouldnt bother even if they did know. There is no clear message being disseminated because the playerbase is split between small communities of mods and popular servers that basically guarantees the lack of a clear message getting out to everyone. This is a clear recipe for disaster for the entire community unless something changes.
That's kind of a moot point since players have found Tremulous already and I would really argue most of them have downloaded the client from the site. English skill was required to download the client in the first place.
One thing that I think hasn't been done though is a news item from the master server to old clients: "1.2 Beta is out!"
Negative, the only thing they found was a link from some gaming site to the download page. There is probably less than a 1 to 100 conversion rate from downlosds to forum registrations.
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Well, unless trem.net is going to end 1.1 for good, it is effectively splitting the community which will end up making both the 1.2 and 1.1 experience shittier for everyone. While i am not a fan of 1.2, i think the community needs to suck it up and put its weight behind either 1.1 or 1.2 or risk losing everything.
Sure, once 1.2 is released it will probably be the default client for download on trem.net, however how many players play 1.1 without ever knowing tremulous.net forums even exist? How many players do we have currently that havent even bothered to download TJW's backport? I think, conservatively, thats around 50-60% of the current 1.1 playerbase.
A lot of players dont understand english, dont understand the difference between 1.1 VS 1.2, dont know tremulous.net exists, and wouldnt bother even if they did know. There is no clear message being disseminated because the playerbase is split between small communities of mods and popular servers that basically guarantees the lack of a clear message getting out to everyone. This is a clear recipe for disaster for the entire community unless something changes.
That's kind of a moot point since players have found Tremulous already and I would really argue most of them have downloaded the client from the site. English skill was required to download the client in the first place.
One thing that I think hasn't been done though is a news item from the master server to old clients: "1.2 Beta is out!"
Negative, the only thing they found was a link from some gaming site to the download page. There is probably less than a 1 to 100 conversion rate from downlosds to forum registrations.
Perhaps registrations but the forums are clearly visible in the Tremulous site where the download section also lies. It's clear that not everyone wants to register in every forum they find.
The amount of forumites doesn't matter at all though. What matters is that they find out about the new beta version and some download links to try it out.
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So CATAHA is saying ...without even playing 1.2 GPP.
You cant read? Or? I played. p l a y e d 1.2, and still have same opinion. So...
1.2 is SUPERIOR to 1.1. Both teams have an equal amount of pwnability.
Ye. They are... in 1.1 too. =) If you cant use all possibilities at full force its not game balance problem. =)
Anyway any discussions pointless. =\ 1.2 really can be amazing game with outstanding gameplay right now... but. Players dont like it. Players from 1.1 dont see any improvements there, and new players also dont like it. So we can say 1.2 phailed at attracting players (except small part of community). Do devs make game for small part of community only? I hope not.
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So CATAHA is saying ...without even playing 1.2 GPP.
You cant read? Or? I played. p l a y e d 1.2, and still have same opinion. So...
1.2 is SUPERIOR to 1.1. Both teams have an equal amount of pwnability.
Ye. They are... in 1.1 too. =) If you cant use all possibilities at full force its not game balance problem. =)
Anyway any discussions pointless. =\ 1.2 really can be amazing game with outstanding gameplay right now... but. Players dont like it. Players from 1.1 dont see any improvements there, and new players also dont like it. So we can say 1.2 phailed at attracting players (except small part of community). Do devs make game for small part of community only? I hope not.
You yourself said playing only the first phase which had multiple problems including horribly screwed up marauder and dragoon movement, disastrous sprint issues, and a completely different dragoon altogether to name a few.
Again, play the current phase, please. This has been repeated on and on for some ten posts. "Players from 1.1" aren't basing their opinions in GPP 1.2 even but some distant, different, buggy version of it.
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Please read carefully last part of my message.
P.S. I can repeat last time... tried not only 1st phase and still dont like way its going. Not about balance, about all direction of development. =}
P.P.S. If you forcing me so i gonna play it again right after i came back home from work just for check another balance changes.
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Please read carefully last part of my message.
P.S. I can repeat last time... tried not only 1st phase and still dont like way its going. Not about balance, about all direction of development. =}
P.P.S. If you forcing me so i gonna play it again right after i came back home from work just for check another balance changes.
YES!
Now please, keep an open mind when you do and don't let all of this back-and-forth make you biased against the game you're playing (unless of course you're a feeder, in which case I'm totally fine with you staying on 1.1 with all the illiterate children and hate-filled deconners...)
If it makes you feel any better, go read some of my old posts and see how much I flamed the original GPP version. I hated that noise and it wasn't until I read a bunch of these same arguments that I gave the newest version of 1.2 a fair shake.
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And you too read carefully my message. Actually i have nothing special against changing balance of Trem. I dont like whole direction of development.
unless of course you're a feeder, in which case I'm totally fine with you staying on 1.1 with all the illiterate children and hate-filled deconners
Seems you not played on good servers in 1.1, lol.
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And you too read carefully my message. Actually i have nothing special against changing balance of Trem. I dont like whole direction of development.
unless of course you're a feeder, in which case I'm totally fine with you staying on 1.1 with all the illiterate children and hate-filled deconners
Seems you not played on good servers in 1.1, lol.
Well sweetheart, it's like Boggie says "It's all about the ping..."
In 1.1, I get decent ping on AA and BB and that's it. And, on there, they get lots of deconners. You're Russian, so where you play is not where I play. Maybe your teammates understand the concept of "1 for all" better because they come from commie stock, I don't know.
What I DO know is that your mostly incomprehensible replies combined with all the "=)" and "lol" you liter throughout them has forced me to picture someone with Down-syndrome when I read your comments.
Either way, I hope you enjoy the new version of 1.2. It's really the cat's breakfast sandwich, as us Yankees say =) LOLOL =O Anything lost in translation? Let me know and I'll be sure to clear it up as quick as a deflated tit!
Hugs and Bitches,
Venkman
P.S.
Smiley face, smiley face, desperate plea for attention, REALLY BIG SMILEY FACE!
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Maybe your teammates understand the concept of "1 for all" better because they come from commie stock, I don't know.
Lol Venkman. Actually anyone can be a douchebag regardless of his race. But I personally had a mostly nice experience with russians. Maybe just my ukrainian 'commie stock' origins, but whatever, it's better than pollack servers :P
It's really the cat's breakfast sandwich, as us Yankees say =) LOLOL =O Anything lost in translation? Let me know and I'll be sure to clear it up as quick as a deflated tit!
Hugs and Bitches,
Venkman
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Smiley face, smiley face, desperate plea for attention, REALLY BIG SMILEY FACE!
Don't complicate that, or the Russian Rapist (http://trololololololololololo.com/) will come for you.
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Well... just played again. Result same - mostly boring. =) Saw nothing really improved in comparing with 1.1 trem. Players campin as much as in 1.1 trem (and sometime ever worse). Ah, ye... death cam still fkn annoying. =)
Overral: Trem 1.2 still so Trem 1.2 >.<'
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Lol Venkman. Actually anyone can be a douchebag regardless of his race. But I personally had a mostly nice experience with russians. Maybe just my ukrainian 'commie stock' origins, but whatever, it's better than pollack servers :P
Oh, I'm no hater. I know people suck everywhere, regardless of race or region. That commie remark was really ment as an explanation of why CATAHA here never has to deal with deconners (which was obviously a big enough problem for most players that the devs made a point of fixing it with 1.2...)
I'm actually a big fan of the Russian peoples (at least the ones I've met).
We had a Russian exchange student come stay with us and she was pretty badass. Sveta was even nice enough to translate most of the Russian porn I downloaded so I could finally figure out what all of those crazy naked women were screaming about.
FYI: "sookies" (phonetic spelling) means "bitches"...
Which also explains why she chuckled every time we watched True Blood.
Don't complicate that, or the Russian Rapist (http://trololololololololololo.com/) will come for you.
Don't sweat it. That guy already raped me ages ago.
Well... just played again. Result same - mostly boring. =) Saw nothing really improved in comparing with 1.1 trem. Players campin as much as in 1.1 trem (and sometime ever worse). Ah, ye... death cam still fkn annoying. =)
Overral: Trem 1.2 still so Trem 1.2 >.<'
This comment was like an HOUR after your last one! How many rounds could you have possible had time to play between bitching about the game, going to work, and then coming on here to bitch some more?
Okay, wait... Never mind. I don't care anymore. You're obviously...
1.) Scared of being wrong
2.) Fearful of change
3.) An idiot
In summation:
GPP needs more players but it certainly doesn't need anymore close-minded morons (we're already overstocked on those as it is...) So, yeah, I think we're ALL better off with you staying on 1.1 and I'm sorry that I ever tried to persuade you otherwise.
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Well... facts on my side, i trying be clear. =) And u just rude... possible just caus u cant prove that ur 'outstanding 1.2 new-super-improved game' is really good.
I played some rounds and it was ok. Nothing special, but some annoying things. May be thats why in 1.1 still much more players.
Btw, under 1.1 we maked mod with a lot of changes and many players like it. I dont fear changes, im not scared be wrong, caus i operate only facts and... seems i much smarter than u think just caus im not using such dumb talking manner as you are. =}
PS In any way after years of playing trem and days in 1.2 hour is ENOUGH for make sense about changes. Dont be stupid, i dont need repeat same actions every round to understand changes. Only positive emotion i get from 1.2 server is non-standart maps. =}
And ye, i see no point talking to you anymore, since u acting like rude fanatic of 1.2, who ready agree with everything in it just caus its 'holy 1.2' and not thinking about game improvement.
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Let's get a completely unscientific poll going:
-Who thinks Venkman is wrong and CATAHA is the authority here, with a well-thought-out, completely airtight argument?
-Who thinks Venkman knows what he's talking about and CATAHA is just being a prick who uses too many fucking smilies?
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I vote option 2.
Also, I don't care how many games of 1.1 you've played, it still takes a heck of a lot longer than an hour to get used to the differences to 1.2 to get past the "OH NOES ITS DIFFERENT!!!!1!!!111!1!!!!" stage.
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With every visit to this part of forum i more sure thats it full of trolls. =)
Its not question of how many played or something. Its question of attracting game or not. Right now its not, and its not question of changed balance or gameplay tweaks. And i dont care too if you cant carefully read all posts. Why shoild i explain how long i already played 1.2 on different servers? We will see how many players gonna join 1.2 after release. =D
UPD: Feel free rage to all players who dont like 1.2 here. Checking this forum folder was pointless from start of 1.2 release, its becoming holywar forum, not real forum for normal discussions. So i better go back to mapping forum, where peoples think before say. =D
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With every visit to this part of forum i more sure thats it full of trolls. =)
Are you are one of them? AFAIK neither Venkman nor Meisseli are trolls.
Its not question of how many played or something. Its question of attracting game or not. Right now its not, and its not question of changed balance or gameplay tweaks. And i dont care too if you cant carefully read all posts.
There is such a thing as a learning curve. I beseech you to learn of its existence. Of course feeding like hell due to new gameplay tweaks will not make for an attracting game (btw, I can't quite understand the grammar of that sentence of yours).
Why shoild i explain how long i already played 1.2 on different servers?
Because the validity of your statements depends on having spent a significant time playing 1.2. Balance changes have effects that go deep, and it takes time to discover them. There is such a thing as a learning curve. I have no problem with someone who likes 1.1, to each his own, but dismissing GPP based on "they changed it therefore it sucks", is not rational.
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The Internet psychologists over at TV Tropes have a few terms for what CATAHA is going through:
They Changed It, Now It Sucks (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyChangedItNowItSucks)
Ruined FOREVER (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuinedFOREVER)
Fandumb (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FanDumb)
On a related note, say good-bye to your social lives.
EDIT: After re-reading this, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I just haven't given CATAHA a fair chance to redeem himself. Maybe he's a highly talented developer who can make a fork of 1.2, get the balances and gameplay to be perfect, maintain it for years, and handle all the community complaints.
Actually, I'd like to see that happen. CATAHA, since 1.2 is obviously ruined FOREVER, would you mind redesigning the whole thing yourself and making a fork?
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The Internet psychologists over at TV Tropes have a few terms for what CATAHA is going through:
The internet needs more references to that site. Although to be fair to CATAHA, tremulous 1.2 is a proper case of Broken Base (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrokenBase)
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I'm trying! I'm only one person! :(
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Man... I kind of wish I WAS a troll because this thread went from being "mildly entertaining" to "just plain hilarious" in the course of one work shift.
Seriously, I'm too tired to even bother with isolating quotes right now so, CATAHA, just listen...
1.) Popular opinion is rarely, if EVER, a good judge of quality.
Go ask Michael Bay and the billions of dollars he rakes in every year when he makes a film about something crashing into something else and droves of simple-minded movie-goers flock to watch Bruce Willis dodge C.G.I. effects for 120 minutes.
Go ask the Jonas Brothers if even THEY think they make good music. Then ask them to show you their bank statements or the sales figures for their last platinum album.
These examples too U.S.-centric for you? Then go ask your grandparents how well Communism worked out? And most people over there thought that was a great idea.
What about those stupid fur-hats with the ear-flaps you guys love so much? (Wait, no. Those are actually pretty awesome...)
The problem is most people are kind of dumb. As some poet once said: "They're easily entertained and frustrated by change." I like to think that, in the realm of awesome niche-FPS games, the ratios aren't so slanted. But there, you just might have proven me wrong...
2.) I don't need (nor do I want) to sit here and explain to you every reason why 1.2 is superior to 1.1. Look back through just this thread, alone, and you'll find at least four of my arguments.
The simple fact is: I love 1.1 for what it is, an awesome FREE game I played the shit out of until a better (preview, as in NOT DONE) version of it became available. I played it for a bit. Liked some things, was angered by others. Became frustrated, went back to 1.1 in less than three days (about 50 rounds). Bitched about it here. People talked me into trying the newest version. I did. My world was rocked. I was glad to scream it on the rooftops: "1.2 works! It WORKS!"
Which brings us to you and why you frustrated me. Because, regardless of whether you WILL like it, I know you (or anyone else) can't possible understand why WE think it's so great until you've played it for at least a week. Long enough to get over your period of adjustment and THEN long enough to get to try all of the new tweaks. It doesn't matter how much you used them while you sucked because, frankly, you didn't know what you were looking at.
Once you finally understand the feel of the new balance, THEN you can start to appreciate the new dodge, pounce knock-back, forward bases, BP ratios and all of that stuff because you will be utilizing them effectively againsts players who are (hopefully) doing the same.
Alright, I'm done. Thank you, Pazuzu, for the awesomely biased poll (I'm tempted to vote "1" just to make her feel better...) And thank you F50 for pointing out that I couldn't be a troll (I try, I just don't have the time.) Also, thanks for doing your part to talk me into trying the new version of GPP. As You can see, I was trying to pay it forward. CATAHA, you can go and play whatever you want.
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1.) Popular opinion is rarely, if EVER, a good judge of quality.
This makes me laugh.
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Ok, you've now clocked up just over half an hour in GPP on US1, although it doesn't look like you played a terribly active game, as aliens at least, so let's watch CATAHA's TremStats (http://stats.tremulous.net/tremstats/us1/player_details.php?player_id=10856) and start listening when she's played for long enough to learn the basics.
There was a time when certain .ddos members were so unhappy with the state of GPP that they felt it necessary to create a mod, today those same people feel the mod is unnecessary, i suppose it's possible that GPP hasn't changed at all in that time and the players have simply adapted, but announcements of changes made during each phase would seem to contradict that. And where did these changes come from? Yes, developers listening to the players testing their product, had you been there at the time you'd have a better idea of how much the devs have not only improved the game but also appeared to respond positively to feedback from players.
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FYI: "sookies" (phonetic spelling) means "bitches"...
FYI: it's pronouced without the 'es', right, 'sooki'.
What about those stupid fur-hats with the ear-flaps you guys love so much? (Wait, no. Those are actually pretty awesome...)
What about Ukrainian cossacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cossacks#Zaporozhian_Cossacks) raiding your house and searching for salo & gorilka?
The message: stereotype detected.
With every visit to this part of forum i more sure thats it full of trolls. =)
Someone on the Internet is wrong (http://lurkmore.ru/index.php?title=%D0%A5%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80&stable=1).
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Seriously, I'm too tired to even bother with isolating quotes right now
Which is why I'm not sigging any of your posts. There are just too many awesome quotes in there to just pick one.
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Which is why I'm not sigging any of your posts. There are just too many awesome quotes in there to just pick one.
I'm glad people can still appreciate a good troll-bash, especially when it's for such an important cause.
And thank you, superspirality, for reminding me what those badass hats are called.
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And thank you, superspirality, for reminding me what those badass hats are called.
Um, what. Those are called 'ushanki' if anything. ::)
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My bad. I had to assume that's what you were saying because I read your post at work and that Wiki link took forever to load on my phone. The word I was thinking of was "Ushanka" or "Ear Hat", apparently. Thanks, Google.