Tremulous Forum
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: zybork on March 27, 2011, 10:28:31 pm
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There is a decreasing number of things that drive me crazy while playing Tremulous, one of the things that possibly always will is, when people insistingly if not to say ruthlessly – do not use English.
So, why do I even care? After all, I don't have to actually read what there is in the gamechat, I mean, if people yell DECONNER! or something, or newbies are asking questions, so what?, I mean, in the end, there is no real reason for a gamechat, is there…? ::)
Dammit, people should use the English language. Like Latin in the middle ages, English is the Lingua Franca of the net, there is nothing to it, and if you want to show some kind of national pride, go work, you suckers and contribute to your country's well being instead.
Tremulous players come from all over the world, even the handful of people to have signed the manifest (see signature) so far speak (in alphabetical order), English, Finnish, German, Hungarian, Polish and the Ukrainian language, I also encounter on a regular basis people who speak the Czech language, French, Italian, Russian, Spanish,… which would be about a dozen different mother tongues you may encounter during the course of just a few games!
The English language may not be the best there is (one reason being that there is no such thing as a "best" language), but it is an established standard, and so people really should use it. I myself, an Austrian, scold people who use German, or, answer in English to German questions, and only if I realize that the level of English of somebody is so low that they wouldn't understand me, I answer in their mother tongue.
If you chose not to play with people other than "your own", go open your own regional server, and lock out everybody else, in any other case, using "non-English" demonstrates a certain level of ignorance/stupidity, because on one hand something you don't consider worth to be understood by everybody should not be told to everybody, and on the other hand, if you don't give a fuck about other people, you are surely not fit for playing with other people and should not do so.
I guess everybody considers spamming something that is annoying at best, and posting uninterpretable messages is nothing else. I wish people would realize that.
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Nice essay. On the official servers everyone should speak English.
I remember a long time ago when i was a T-Base admin, back then speaking in another language resulted in a 2 days ban.
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Why should we not be tolerant of other people's cultural differences?
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I very rarely see people using anything but english, i can't see this is really a problem, then again, maybe you play on lower quality servers than me, i tend to stick to the officals.
When i do see excessive non-english chat i tend to warn, but tbh, i find pomposity, arrogance and general dickishness are far more annoying than a little non-english chatter.
a tip, if you wish to get your point across to players whose grasp of english may be borderline, brevity and straightforward language are handy...
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IMO people shouldn't be prevented from playing just because they don't speak English.
Just because all the sites we use are English, doesn't mean English is the only language out there. Tremulous.net may be on the English side of the web but we should be welcoming of people from parts of the web.
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Interesting. I've always wondered what non-native English speakers thought about English being the Internet's lingua franca.
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Interesting. I've always wondered what non-native English speakers thought about English being the Internet's lingua franca.
Nothing much probably. I always thought of it as of something essential. After all, people who started the whole Internet thing were speaking English.
I'd say what about being more tolerant. Don't split the community. If that's a group, tell them to find another server. If that's only 2 people, tell them to use private messaging. That's not a problem.
Also, what about the official EU server? Is it called European just for it's location? Is it meant for Europeans only because it has a lower ping from there?
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Interesting. I've always wondered what non-native English speakers thought about English being the Internet's lingua franca.
I actually like it, because: It's not French *evil grin*
I admit, this problem is a much lesser one on, how it got called here, "lower quality servers", but it appears from time to time even one official ones as far as I can tell, however, what freaks me out is really can interrupt gameplay, you keep automatically track of gamechat, but if it's not in English, it takes much more concentration to "digest" it (which has reasons in how human perception works), I can perfectly understand why people even got banned for 2 days.
Yeah, of course nobody should be excluded, but communication is essential for teamplay, and even if it sounds pretty tough when I say this, but a basic understanding of that language should be there, otherwise, you can't really communicate with people, which is an absurd situation for a teamgame.
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someone remind me to exclusivly use orzspeak when i get back ingame.
"*silly* *campers* are bringing *pretty toys* to our *house*!"
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Generally using English in the servers is preferred. For example, I find it very rude in real life to enter a house full of foreigners and then only speak my native language so only me and my friend can understand each other. However using other languages shouldn't really be prohibited, especially since not all are that fluent in English, but if it's only your friend you're talking to you can easily be polite to the whole server by using only private messages or even a VoIP program.
Beware that other people sometimes do understand the language you're speaking, some Spaniard got a warning since I know enough of the language to understand what hijo de puta means.
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Don't split the community ... tell them to find another server.
So basically what you're saying is don't split the community by splitting the community?
You're all doing a great job of sticking to the stereotype that all Americans are arrogant idiots who don't know that the rest of the world exists, and that you're less than a 20th of it.
According to Wolfram Alpha, only 11% of the world speak English. If you want to go for majority rules, then STFU and talk Chinese.
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Your comment seems to be as ignorant as some of the others in the thread:
You're all doing a great job of sticking to the stereotype that all Americans are arrogant idiots who don't know that the rest of the world exists, and that you're less than a 20th of it.
This reads like English is a language spoken only/invented by Americans, nope, that's not the case.
According to Wolfram Alpha, only 11% of the world speak English. If you want to go for majority rules, then STFU and talk Chinese.
As to majority, according to the European Commission, English is studied in the EU region by 89% of schoolchildren as a foreign language. CIA World Factbook says 82,1% of US citizens speak English. And we all know which are the two areas the majority of Tremulous players come from.
But yeah, speak whatever language you want, really. If you don't like the so-called "linguistic imperialism" or just don't have a good command of English, that's fine. There are just some benefits to speaking English: it's more fun if everyone understand each other, and hey, you'll learn the language pretty nicely as you play, too.
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Aha, "hijo de puta" means something like, erm, well, go to translate.google.com and check for yourselves 8) …
It depends which attitude you show. If you don't know the language well enough, well, who cares if you ask something in your mother tongue, but as Meisseli put it,
I find it very rude in real life to enter a house full of foreigners and then only speak my native language so only me and my friend can understand each other.
this simply should not be. It can be boiled down to this: Behave yourselves, and use English. It's as simple as that.
And that 2-days-ban-thing, well, if it is not executed too fanatically, I really could live with that.
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It can be boiled down to this: Behave yourselves, and use English. It's as simple as that.
And that 2-days-ban-thing, well, if it is not executed too fanatically, I really could live with that.
But there's where our opinions differ, I don't think it is a big deal or any offense at all to speak your mother tongue. It's a lot more polite to speak a language most people understand, but not an absolute requirement.
I admit it was fun when in T-Base there was an English only rule, but the servers can decide for the matter themselves. At least the Official Servers should be as friendly as possible to every player, though.
I'd say it's boiled down to English is preferred, but not in any way enforced.
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and hey, you'll learn the language pretty nicely as you play, too.
Well, that leaves us native speakers at somewhat of a disadvantage, can we rotate the official language once a fortnight so everyone can learn?
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and hey, you'll learn the language pretty nicely as you play, too.
Well, that leaves us native speakers at somewhat of a disadvantage, can we rotate the official language once a fortnight so everyone can learn?
Sure! Friday starts Finnish.
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and hey, you'll learn the language pretty nicely as you play, too.
Well, that leaves us native speakers at somewhat of a disadvantage, can we rotate the official language once a fortnight so everyone can learn?
Sure! Friday starts Finnish.
I approve of this.
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Ja tehdä selväksi, miten hyödyllistä tämä on, minä jätän teille uudestaan, koska pienen käännöksen, joka oli tehty samanlainen ohjelma.kielioppi on siis hyvin olla täysin turha, mutta se ei ole väliä, koska et ymmärrä muutenkaan tulee.
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Don't split the community ... tell them to find another server.
So basically what you're saying is don't split the community by splitting the community?
No. I'm just sayin' that if there is a group of people that interfere with the normal gameplay by filling the chat with their national chatter, well, it won't be very offensive to ask them to GTFO of official servers where someone feels like enforcing English and visit a server that is either empty so they can chat without any raeg from another players or one that's mostly very tolerant to non-English languages, like R Unlimited CZ. Besides that, I don't really find even a group of 5 pollacks very annoying. Selective attention comes in handy.
tl;dr be peaceful or face immediate annihilation speak protoss in the name of Adun. Half-seriously though, let's have a Protoss week right after the Finnish one. Khas arashad!
Ja tehdä selväksi, miten hyödyllistä tämä on, minä jätän teille uudestaan, koska pienen käännöksen, joka oli tehty samanlainen ohjelma.kielioppi on siis hyvin olla täysin turha, mutta se ei ole väliä, koska et ymmärrä muutenkaan tulee.
Пятница еще не наступила. ::)
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Ja tehdä selväksi, miten hyödyllistä tämä on, minä jätän teille uudestaan, koska pienen käännöksen, joka oli tehty samanlainen ohjelma.kielioppi on siis hyvin olla täysin turha, mutta se ei ole väliä, koska et ymmärrä muutenkaan tulee.
Another proof how Google Translate does not work. And it never will.
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Just let the foreigners be, if they aren't causing trouble (i.e. gameplay disruption or spam) why even bother?
Also, this:
... arrogance and general dickishness are far more annoying than a little non-english chatter.
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^ Yeah, that pretty much.
Can't pick your teammates unless you're talking clans.
For the most part, if they know English they will use it. Can't tell someone to do something that they don't know how to do in this case, though.
Besides, most of the English-speaking players on US1 don't listen either. On the rare occasions where I try to get them to do something they don't even respond. Just goes to show how shitty this game's public games are now compared to back in the old days of BeerGarden and other servers with high populations of thinking players.
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Besides, most of the English-speaking players on US1 don't listen either. On the rare occasions where I try to get them to do something they don't even respond.
Very true, sadly.
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For the most part, if they know English they will use it
Yeah, such people exist. And then there are the French ::) Just by the way.
A little chatter may not interrupt anything, but: Only a little chatter. If people keep an entire conversation on public chat in a non-English language, it definitely is interrupting, and this is exactly what I have a problem with.
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and hey, you'll learn the language pretty nicely as you play, too.
Well, that leaves us native speakers at somewhat of a disadvantage, can we rotate the official language once a fortnight so everyone can learn?
This, I'd be really ok with French. Parce-que mon francais est tres moin que m'anglais. Je sais assez francais pour parler "franglais." N'est pas?
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Half-seriously though, let's have a Protoss week right after the Finnish one. Khas arashad!
orz week after protoss week.
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This, I'd be really ok with French. Parce-que mon francais est tres moin que m'anglais. Je sais assez francais pour parler "franglais." N'est pas?
If Google's translator gives me a correct impression of what you are saying, this is even worse. A gibberish mix between two languages, well, in the end, nobody will understand anything.
Be nice, kids, stick to English, it doesn't hurt you, and if it does, well… suffer! Just consider that it is impolite, and go learn the few words you need for at least a basic communication with the others. Thank-you-for-your-attention.
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Just consider that it is impolite, and go learn the few words you need for at least a basic communication with the others.
Stop waffling on in english, your message is surely lost on its intended audience anyway... ::)
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Half-seriously though, let's have a Protoss week right after the Finnish one. Khas arashad!
orz week after protoss week.
Sure. This is *funny* and *bright*!
Stop waffling on in english, your message is surely lost on its intended audience anyway... ::)
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This, I'd be really ok with French. Parce-que mon francais est tres moin que m'anglais. Je sais assez francais pour parler "franglais." N'est pas?
If Google's translator gives me a correct impression of what you are saying, this is even worse. A gibberish mix between two languages, well, in the end, nobody will understand anything.
Be nice, kids, stick to English, it doesn't hurt you, and if it does, well… suffer! Just consider that it is impolite, and go learn the few words you need for at least a basic communication with the others. Thank-you-for-your-attention.
I was kidding. Tu es tres bete mon copain....... Je suis une chauve salope? Lol jkjk
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Stop waffling on in english, your message is surely lost on its intended audience anyway... ::)
But now that the message is out to the people who will understand it, let's all start to insult them from now on 8)
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When can we have Klingon as the official language?
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When can we have Klingon as the official language?
Sad'akh un'ul.
inb4 that's not klingonese
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tl:dr
me know speek engrish
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Well, I just had an encounter – not on an official server – with people who surely very well knew English, two exactly, which kept communicating in their own language. It did have to do with the game, as far as I could tell, some particular words were flying around, however, for it was French both of them used, and for they obviously did not respond to advice to use English so that everybody could understand them,
I answered in German.
They left. Both.
Some people still don't understand that a game on a server where there are people from all over the world is no place to show off any national pride or something.
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Some people still don't understand that a game on a server where there are people from all over the world is no place to show off any national pride or something.
Why the heck not? Since when is being proud to be [insert your country here] a bad thing?
its just annoying when you cant understand them.
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Are they now proud of their own country/language, or are they just ignorant/despiteous about others? Is this a just-question?
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Theres a difference between being proud of your heritage and being a pain
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Sucks to be you. On Australian servers we all get english speakers.
We still get ppl who typ lik diz nd dont care about the thwat tho
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Theres a difference between being proud of your heritage and being a pain
This, too.
Minimum: I guess pings on Australian servers from elsewhere in the world pretty much cut down the number of people with a non-English mother tongue ;)