Tremulous Forum
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: vcxzet on April 07, 2011, 11:13:21 pm
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(http://i.imgur.com/0YtDL.jpg)
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"Ok That's pretty cool" this game is made from quake ain't it. Well its engine.
"So what"
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The Quake 3 engine was open sourced, but the assets were not.
I noticed this a while back while playing QL, but I closely examined the icons for held medkits and the line thicknesses were different, so I assumed there was just an uncanny similarity.
I will say though, I have not referenced Quake 3's medkit icon to see if they are the same.
It would be trivial to make a new icon for something like the medkit; hell, if not the syringe, just a + would make due.
"Ok That's pretty cool" this game is made from quake ain't it. Well its engine.
"So what"
What is your first language again?
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You could've referenced not the actual 3D model, but instead the inventory icon. IIRC, Q3 shows your inventory items in 2D after you pick them up.
Even if they're the same, it shouldn't be a problem to draft a new one.
"Ok That's pretty cool" this game is made from quake ain't it. Well its engine.
"So what"
What is your first language again?
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You could've referenced not the actual 3D model, but instead the inventory icon. IIRC, Q3 shows your inventory items in 2D after you pick them up.
Even if they're the same, it shouldn't be a problem to draft a new one.
It does. That's what I meant to say that I did.
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You could've referenced not the actual 3D model, but instead the inventory icon. IIRC, Q3 shows your inventory items in 2D after you pick them up.
Even if they're the same, it shouldn't be a problem to draft a new one.
It does. That's what I meant to say that I did.
(http://bfolder.ru/_ph/3/2/93127066.png)
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no word from the developers?
interesting
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no word from the developers?
interesting
Probably because it's not the same?
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they are not exactly the same but they are suspiciously similar.
I think the artist who made the medikit icon for tremulous should show that it is not based on the medkit icon in quake 3/quakelive.
(Because derivative works are not allowed by their license and adding slight difference doesn't help one to evade it.)
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they are not exactly the same but they are suspiciously similar.
I think the artist who made the medikit icon for tremulous should show that it is not based on the medkit icon in quake 3/quakelive.
(Because derivative works are not allowed by their license and adding slight difference doesn't help one to evade it.)
I think this is a pointless waste of time and development resources. It's a blue syringe icon that was probably traced from the original Q3 syringe icon. Nobody would be dumb enough to sue over this. If you think it's a real problem, then make a new one yourself and submit it instead of trying to rile everyone up.
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they are not exactly the same but they are suspiciously similar.
I think the artist who made the medikit icon for tremulous should show that it is not based on the medkit icon in quake 3/quakelive.
(Because derivative works are not allowed by their license and adding slight difference doesn't help one to evade it.)
I think this is a pointless waste of time and development resources. It's a blue syringe icon that was probably traced from the original Q3 syringe icon. Nobody would be dumb enough to sue over this. If you think it's a real problem, then make a new one yourself and submit it instead of trying to rile everyone up.
It is not about someone suing tremulous... Did someone sue tremulous over the sounds? No?
Then why are they working hard to replace those sounds?
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I think It is a real problem for a supposedly libre game.
Unfortunately, I am not an artist so I can't make a new one.
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Making a drawing that looks like someone else's is not illegal.
Find evidence that exact image was used elsewhere, or STFU.
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Making a drawing that looks like someone else's is not illegal.
Actually I am not sure about it. Maybe it depends on how similar they are.
Find evidence that exact image was used elsewhere, or STFU.
Such a nice attitude. But did someone find an evidence for the sound licenses.
I am not a lawyer. I am just simply asking... not blaming anyone
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Making a drawing that looks like someone else's is not illegal.
Actually I am not sure about it. Maybe it depends on how similar they are.
Find evidence that exact image was used elsewhere, or STFU.
Such a nice attitude. But did someone find an evidence for the sound licenses.
I am not a lawyer. I am just simply asking... not blaming anyone
The answer is this: present the devs with an alternative and they'll use it.
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I found the original medkit icon to be much too frightening and I would often not use my medkit because I was too afraid of where that syringe went after I hit the button, I didn't know if it was going to sneak up on me and stab me or something.
This is far better and should be used to promote a positive image for the medkit. Having this as an icon would give me peace of mind regarding hitting my medkit button.
(http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/56117/56117,1259462550,2/stock-photo-blue-and-yellow-toy-syringe-on-white-background-41806681.jpg)
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no word from the developers?
interesting
Like we even read the forums :P don't be so impatient
The answer is this: present the devs with an alternative and they'll use it.
No it isn't. If this is a legitimate concern we'll have to deal with it one way or the other. I think current opinion is that it's not a problem: the images aren't identical, they're just similar. Syringes look like other syringes. But if it turns out that there is a legitimate concern here, we will have to find a replacement icon. In that case, alternatives presented will be considered, but rejected if they're rubbish :)
Also can I point out, the trollingest people so far in this thread aren't vcxzet. Everyone else please get a grip.
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Making a drawing that looks like someone else's is not illegal.
Actually I am not sure about it. Maybe it depends on how similar they are.
Actually it's only meant to depend on whether the later work was actually derived from the previous one (with very little changed to constitute an original work). Due to uncertainty, this becomes a question of whether it's provably derivative. Also, a derived work can be permissible if the intended effect is markedly different, such as with parodies (see 'Fair Use').
The only real difference between these two images is where the tremulous one has had the circle resized and positioned. Everything else I'm sure is derivative with only minor editing (outlining, blur and colour; see attached differencing image) so unless you can find some mutual public domain source, this is an infringement.
I agree with vcxzet in sentiment. I don't feel it's likely to cause legal issues but I do feel it should be changed for the principle of it. It's a little image so it's potential threat is somewhat matched by the ease of replacing it.
So, though I have no experience making icons, here's my contribution as an alternative:
(http://i.imgur.com/PRLYG.png)
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http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:F0rqu3/Gallery
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Do with it what you will. I now consider it part of the public domain and waive any rights I had to it prior to this statement.
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It's mine now. Trem can't have it.
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It's mine now. Trem can't have it.
That's not how public domain stuff works. If you could do that, nothing would ever stay in the public domain. Claiming property of public domain stuff is copyfraud.
What you CAN do is edit it and claim full rights over the changes you make. Also notable is that you don't have to give any credit/attribution to me. It's still nice if you do so, but it's my wish not to force you to.
I wanted it this way because:
1. It's a small image with very little effort put into it, so I don't mind what other people do with it.
2. I wanted to give an example of what you can do with your intellectual property.
EDIT: Also I've just seen how smooth the icon vcxzet made from it was. Nice job! Sadly the actual icon is 100 by 100 so much of that is wasted.
Here's a little edit file to see what it looks like. (http://www.mediafire.com/?vpbzq1577v3lsme)
(http://i.imgur.com/49mTA.png)
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Seeing how everything else is going up diagonally left, I think the Nux's medikit is throwing it off a bit.
However, it is a lot better than the current one, and would be great if it could just be turned, and flipped.
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that new icon looks really nice but as moose said the position really needs to match the rest of the icons
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I'll just point out that if you look at the original medkit, it was across the same diagonal. Yet it's such an easy change to make, so I've given you your choice:
Pointing to top-left (http://www.mediafire.com/?l8cjb2oxob5bp57), bottom-left (http://www.mediafire.com/?5mgpln5df766494), bottom-right (http://www.mediafire.com/?kw3i8k9zu0jmhuw) or the original top-right (http://www.mediafire.com/?vpbzq1577v3lsme).
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i would vote bottom-right
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Also note that the old medkit is still visible over the + when using it in GPP. I would change that too if I knew where it was.
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Also note that the old medkit is still visible over the + when using it in GPP. I would change that too if I knew where it was.
ui/assets/neutral/cross_medkit.tga
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Cheers benmachine: Here's the full edit (http://www.mediafire.com/?7wr0bee0n87gcap) (bottom left pointing like the old trem/quake medkit)
(http://i.imgur.com/GrhrZ.png)
EDIT: Just noticed your new edit vcxzet. Cheers!