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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: |GBA|QweefZilLa on July 20, 2011, 12:50:17 am
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for the finished 1.2 to come out ... I heard Thursday like 2 weeks ago from someone that said menace said it will be out Thursday.
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Not THAT thursday.
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It's a different thursday.
Lol, I can't believe he thought that was serious.
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Thursday and/or SOON (http://mirror.mercenariesguild.net/planettremulous/)(tm).
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Golly, another self-entitled dumbfuck! Did you know that the more you complain about 1.2 not being released according to your own personal schedule, the faster it'll get done? It's like Lakitu or Stannum or Norfenstein or Undeference or Ingar or Rezyn or tjw don't even have lives of their own. They just exist to work tirelessly, day and night, for your own personal benefit! For free! It's not like we have a community sound project that could use some more contributors, or a potentially upcoming mapping competition that's been languishing because of a lack of vocal support! Nope, 1.2 is going to be released just because you asked for it!
Actually, on second thought, this thread will (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=15846.0) die (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=15906.0) just (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=14298.0) like (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=14491.0) these (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=14467.0) have. (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=15370.0)
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Look what you've done, OP. Your post broke Kharnov's sarcasm detector through sheer trollpower. I hope you're happy. Jerk.
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ps I didn't think he was serious ... I was just hoping to hear a rough estimate of when it would be done ... I know they have lives of the own -.-
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There is no rough estimate, but if there were, you know where it would be located? The same place as everything else Tremulous. Right here (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?action=search).
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ps I didn't think he was serious ... I was just hoping to hear a rough estimate of when it would be done ... I know they have lives of the own -.-
thursday.
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IT WILL BE RELEASED WHEN EVERYBODY WILL STOP ASKING FOR IT!!! Stannum is still making his 3D models (which actually look good) and stannumuffins. However, I would like to see the devs releasing 1.2 on a thursday, just for the lulz as some may say.
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Tomorrow, if you asked 1.1.5
However, since you asked 1.2 answer is NEVER!
Unfortunately they need to finish:
Re-balancing
Sounds
Design and modeling
Actually it is possible to finish modeling and sounds
Yet balancing will take forever
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Yet balancing will take forever
Luckily though, this should have nothing to do with the game being playable and enjoyable. If you're concerned with 'perfect balance' and your not a statistician with OCD, then I'm not sure what your motives are.
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I don't have OCD
ask norf about it
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Balancing? It's all cool - humans have their pros and cons, they can't wallwalk, move rather slowly compared to aliens, have stamina which limits jumps and sprinting, cannot build on all surfaces, but have ranged weaponry, radars to detect exact location of enemies, jetpack to allow flying, splash damage weaponry etc. It's also dependant on the map - some aliens are easier to use and faster to manuover in small corridors, while others may need some more space. It's also dependant on the building - aliens are good to have some hardly accesible place where wall-walk or other stuff (like long jumps) are needed to acces the base - use the humans disadvantage for alien advantage.
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Balancing? It's all cool - humans have their pros and cons, they can't wallwalk, move rather slowly compared to aliens, have stamina which limits jumps and sprinting, cannot build on all surfaces, but have ranged weaponry, radars to detect exact location of enemies, jetpack to allow flying, splash damage weaponry etc. It's also dependant on the map - some aliens are easier to use and faster to manuover in small corridors, while others may need some more space. It's also dependant on the building - aliens are good to have some hardly accesible place where wall-walk or other stuff (like long jumps) are needed to acces the base - use the humans disadvantage for alien advantage.
Each team having pros and cons =/= balance.
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Human con = alien pro
alien pro = human con
If anything, we need maps that are more balanced and/or interactive as mentioned earlier, where aliens can use human disadvantages and vise versa.
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Human con = alien pro
alien pro = human con
If anything, we need maps that are more balanced and/or interactive as mentioned earlier, where aliens can use human disadvantages and vise versa.
I think we need to discuss their roles in team interplay, along with the dynamics and synergy of the teams.
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I heard Thursday like 2 weeks ago from someone that said menace said it will be out Thursday.
TROLOLO
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It's like Lakitu or Stannum or Norfenstein or Undeference or Ingar or Rezyn or tjw don't even have lives of their own. They just exist to work tirelessly, day and night, for your own personal benefit! For free!
No one said anything about their work being free of charge. There is always a way to sponsor them(more efficient way) - if they want. Just like they chose to not accept almost any help from community - with the exception of few chosen ones almost fanatically devoted individuals.
I think we need to discuss their roles in team interplay, along with the dynamics and synergy of the teams.
Good luck with that.
IT WILL BE RELEASED WHEN EVERYBODY WILL STOP ASKING FOR IT!!!
Doesn't that mean virtually that everybody will stop caring.
I could continue this rant in accusing tone, but that doesn't do much good, does it? But then again, what does?
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Golly, another well spoken gentleman curious about the same thing we all are! Did you know that the more you complain and get on their backs, the more likely they are to stop getting on the piss every weekend and actually make some progress? It's like Lakitu or Stannum or Norfenstein or Undeference or Ingar or Rezyn or tjw think they can have lives of their own. They just exist to work whenever they feel like it, for their personal benefit! For free! It's not like being part of tremulous development would look fucking bad-ass on your CV, especially once 1.2 is fully released, and its not like they will accept your opinions or contributions (but they will accept your donations for sure!), there is even potentially upcoming mapping competition that's been languishing because no one can map for shit! Nope, 1.2 is never going to be released because all the devs are on the piss, and everyone is just gonna get bored and move on to the next game...
Fixd
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This is fail, we have dev ass kissers, and the people who don't understand that the devs don't care anymore. I doubt that its that they "have lives of their own," because only the original devs can say that. Now we have the dev who are relatively new and still don't do anything. It's like they got on the dev team and decided to not do anything. If we are so focused on balancing the game, why not have a balance update every 3 months? This would keep the gameplay fresh and get us closer to our goal. I mean, Valve releases updates for its game almost everyday. Why can't we do it every 3 months?
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Valve Revenue: >9000
Darklegion Revenue: <3
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I mean, Valve releases updates for its game almost everyday. Why can't we do it every 3 months?
Valve is a huge company consisting of many professional game developers that are being paid, while Tremulous has a development team consisting of about 8 developers which about 3 of them are inactive, none are being paid. The Tremulous development team also is nowhere as near as professional (I atleast do believe so) as Valve is. That is the biggest problem with all indie projects - the developer group is small, if some of them get busy with real life stuff or something else, nobody is there to back him/her up.
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I mean, Valve releases updates for its game almost everyday. Why can't we do it every 3 months?
Valve is a huge company consisting of many professional game developers that are being paid, while Tremulous has a development team consisting of about 8 developers which about 3 of them are inactive, none are being paid. The Tremulous development team also is nowhere as near as professional (I atleast do believe so) as Valve is. That is the biggest problem with all indie projects - the developer group is small, if some of them get busy with real life stuff or something else, nobody is there to back him/her up.
Tremulous is simple compared to Valve game. You shouldn't need more than 8 to do anything.
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It's harder than you may think, also attempting to retain interest in something that's more than 10 years old. Name one valve game that has been under development for 10 years.
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Sometimes I feel sad about people who still cares about a release date.
(seriously ... it is not sarcasm)
To be honest I don't think there will be a release.
I realized that when they didn't release an official bugfix release in 2 years after the release of 1.1.0.
If they couldn't do something trivial like that Why would they bother releasing a new version?
They will keep working on the project though They will make small things. Of course those will be available in the svn.
But eventually that will get boring and they will leave
It would be a nice surprise for me if they manage to come with a full release(with or without new media).
Even then it will have an out dated renderer.
It would be hard to regain popularity. (It may become popular among some linux kids)
Now think what would happen if it had regular updates/releases on the website.
Of course It would again lose some popularity However people wouldn't think it was abandoned.
(we know it is not totally abandoned but not everyone actively monitors the development)
tl:dr Release early, release often or every thursday is my vaporware day
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Release early, release often or every thursday is my vaporware day
Isn't gpp playing the rero game?
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To reiterate an age-old point: The dev team has already made a game, which took effort that nobody here is offering for 1.2. If you're excited about 1.2 then you're in a better position than most people to put effort into making it happen. There is definitely support for such an endeavour and those who declare it dead are only bitter because they too would have liked to have seen an update.
Also, I hate to give 'management solutions' any credit, but it seems to be what this project is lacking. Nobody is there giving deadlines and declaring goals. Of course the project is stagnating: what's another year, when so many have passed already? What's the difference between this thursday and the next?
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Release early, release often or every thursday is my vaporware day
Isn't gpp playing the rero game?
gpp is not a full release. And it is not a release from the end user perspective.
(some of the forum regulars might consider it rero though)
They should have released it as a full release.
They could at least release it with as an installer and say it is official new release
Instead you see a discouraging text on the download page
If you wish to participate in games on the Tremulous 1.2 Preview servers you'll need one of following packages. Windows and Linux users will need a working copy of 1.1 for the installers to patch. Mac users need only download the disk image; it contains all of the supporting files required to play.
expect people to download it and play after this comment
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sorry but is it really that hard to release "at least" gpp as tremulous 1.1.5 with installers and say it is official
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The dev team has already made a game, which took effort that nobody here is offering for 1.2. If you're excited about 1.2 then you're in a better position than most people to put effort into making it happen. There is definitely support for such an endeavour and those who declare it dead are only bitter because they too would have liked to have seen an update.
They could release what they have so far as 1.1.X or whatever they want to call
Otherwise no one is going to help a game that makes no releases.
What if You put lots of effort in the game but Some devs still insisted to delay the release for another Y years
(so that they could add more balance, feature Z, or more assets)
Of course it is always fun to participate in an open source game project.
But I'd rather participate in a project that releases something
(well tremulous does release something but it is invisible to the end user... it is like open beta forever. When I say release I am not talking about that kind of release)
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sorry if I sound cryptic, redundant or self contradicting
I know there is always some progress in development (slow or not)
There is some good amount of features, bug fixes already done after 1.1.0
So wouldn't it be better to release what you have so far instead of waiting for another year for new stuff to complete
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Are you suggesting an incomplete set of models is released?
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It's pretty close to a "release", it has installers, it's offered as an upgrade to 1.1, it's updated frequently through an automatic system when users play on official servers, but yeah, your dismissive attitude is far more beneficial to the development of 1.2 than any facts, or even offloading of work, do carry on.
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why would you release incomplete stuff but it is up to devs
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It's pretty close to a "release", it has installers, it's offered as an upgrade to 1.1, it's updated frequently through an automatic system when users play on official servers, but yeah, your dismissive attitude is far more beneficial to the development of 1.2 than any facts, or even offloading of work, do carry on.
close to release is not good enough
and by installer I mean a full installer, maybe I was not clear
but you should have figured that out yourself
What does it have to do with being beneficial? I just criticized current state and made a suggestion.
Ignorance might be bliss for you but not for me
Although development continues the game is dying because there has been no release since 2006
You can ignore that fact and just say that "development continues and we have a release( a release that no one knows other than regulars)"
Anyway feel free to act like a butthurt I made my point clear IMHO
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It's pretty close to a "release", it has installers, it's offered as an upgrade to 1.1, it's updated frequently through an automatic system when users play on official servers, but yeah, your dismissive attitude is far more beneficial to the development of 1.2 than any facts, or even offloading of work, do carry on.
Ignorance might be bliss for you but not for me
B-B-B-B-B-B-BLASTED BRO (http://tremulous.net/w/images/7/78/Blaster.jpg)
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So, what exactly would this full release have consisted of, 1.1 with tiny bugfixes or would it be gpp bundled up with the existing 1.1 assets so that it's a standalone game? Either way it seems ever so slightly pointless and i can't imagine it would have done much to change the current state of trem.
For a few brief moments some time back you were sounding almost positive and helpful, what happened?
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So, what exactly would this full release have consisted of, 1.1 with tiny bugfixes or would it be gpp bundled up with the existing 1.1 assets so that it's a standalone game? Either way it seems ever so slightly pointless and i can't imagine it would have done much to change the current state of trem.
For a few brief moments some time back you were sounding almost positive and helpful, what happened?
I am not suggesting the specifics of a release. I just suggest a release ASAP
Talking with hidebound people like you is pointless.
Really try to think; who would play 1.2 when it comes up after years? Just a few die hard fans like you?
But a release might change it
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Talking with hidebound people like you is pointless.
Then feel free to stop, it's nice and easy.
Really try to think; who would play 1.2 when it comes up after years? Just a few die hard fans like you?
But a release might change it
Hey, you're right, it might, it also might not, good, eh? Who's going to play 1.2, well, you've got your existing active 1.1 players, if they can be convinced to come out of their caves, the gppers seem like pretty strong candidates but their numbers are low, ex-players are quite likely to come back and see what's going on when a new release appears, and then there are the new players, regardless of where the players come from, the whole bloody lot are far more likely to stick around if the release is full on pretty, i envision a small update at this stage putting off more people than it attracts, long term.
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Sorry I don't see your point I am talking about an actual release and you are talking about a small update.
You think people live in their caves and will come back. Sorry I haven't been to that fantasy land you mentioned... yet
So you are right about one thing; it is better for me to stop responding to you
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Sorry I don't see your point I am talking about an actual release and you are talking about a small update.
There's absolutely nothing to release at this stage, any actual release would consist of 1.1 or gpp with the sounds taken out, or do you have something up your sleeve?
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To all the noobs who are mouthing off (mainly Tremulant):
Once upon a time, Tremulous was released with version 1.1
Years passed; there were many exploits and bugs that weren't fixed with the default installer, and an update wasn't released (at this point, most people had left anyway)
It should have likely been called "1.1.5" or something along those lines
Eventually people became frustrated (myself included), and stopped caring about the future of Tremulous. The development team was very elitist in the sense that they did not embrace people who contributed on a regular basis, nor did they attempt to help newcomers (other than certain individuals). }MG{ came along and tried to change the course of development, but eventually they too lost interest (it's hard to develop when you have real life obligations and commitments) after they "took over" Tremulous.
I am an unusual case because I came back (along with a clan that consists of mainly old school players who have played since 1.1 standalone). It is very hard to change the mistakes of the past. However, it is still possible to salvage what's left of Tremulous and create something new. It may not be what we wanted, what could have been; rather, it will be the rebirth of a project that died long ago. An immediate release may be the solution, but I am not really opposed to keeping things the way they are. Right now, GPP is a mod (albeit an "official" mod) of 1.1
For now, this is a step in the right direction.
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To all the noobs who are mouthing off (mainly Tremulant):
I'm not entirely sure why you're directing this at me, and it seems irrelevant to vcxzet's ravings, so what was your point?
Yes there was a time when bugfix releases would have been a good idea(though i'm not sure what impact the lack of such releases has had on trem's vitality), but people gave up hope of such releases years ago.
So, what's a step in the right direction, QweefZilLa asking for a specific thursday, gpp being a mod to 1.1 or something else entirely?
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New Tremulous won't come out in this year or even in the next year. Why? Because there is noone who is playing this game. Why? Because it's out of date since.. 2006? Why? Who knows..
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stop caring it is better.
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New Tremulous won't come out in this year or even in the next year. Why? Because there is noone who is playing this game. Why? Because it's out of date since.. 2006? Why? Who knows..
And you spent all that time typing out that post.
Well, I'm glad to know that you're actively not caring.
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It's all a part of his active lifestyle.
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It's all a part of his active lifestyle.
Well, if sitting on the internet all day is active, I am fucking KING FITNESS
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It's all a part of his active lifestyle.
Well, if sitting on the internet all day is active, I am fucking KING FITNESS
May I be your queen?
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How long do you have to wait? I guess the real question is, how long have you been waiting already? If less than five years, you've GOT to be JOKING.
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I remember the good old times while developers could still make fun of gloom.
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I remember the good old times when we actually believed 1.2 was coming out.
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We need simply a few dedicated people who have time.
Assets need rigging, animation and such.
The engine needs some work, maps need to be made, textures are needed and shaders+etc are required for the maps.
I still don't have time, I'm still busy and have a feeling it will increase.. But perhaps maybe I can come back, help, and see Trem get released(not tat I will make a lot of a difference). But it seems you have to have no life to get a lot done, which is not my case.
Partially the issues are that there isn't pay, I mean I'd be there if it were $5 USD an hour just to say I'm making a few bucks.
Since that's not the case you get the craplist of stuff to do.
For instance, I wanted to animate the dretch.
I JUST wanted to animate it. I didn't CARE about anything else, which one to use, and all those other implications.
Just give me the .Blend and be done with it. I didn't want to relearn rigging, nor did I want to fix rig issues.
I'm not an idiot, I mean I've been messing around with Blender and such for like 6 years, I've clocked in my time....
(not that I'm particularly great at many things)
But it ended up I was attempting to keep myself in the loop. I didn't know what mesh/blend/version to use,
I was/still rather am poor at rigging so I ahd a lot of hair pulling and issues.
I wasn't being lazy, I just didn't/don't have the time to learn another thing and I wanted I was supposed to do.
If someone were to give me a .blend rigged and ready to animate, I'd do it.
I don't want to go to IRC, be there every day, and be some groupie.
(Been there, done that.)
Nor do i feel inclined to invest a bunch of time to be in a club, figure out what state the asset is it, do the work and find that my time was flushed since somebody didn't check it first for me.
Ah all of this stuff is still in me, I still want to do stuff..
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Hmm... after seeing 8/8/11's update [chain zap damages are now the same instead of halving at each point] making mara more OP, i think this project has been ditched. Honestly, UV is doing better even though their masterlist is pretty empty at any random time.
I remember the good old times when we actually believed 1.2 was coming out.
How long do you have to wait? I guess the real question is, how long have you been waiting already? If less than five years, you've GOT to be JOKING.
well its already passed five years since 1.1.0... fuck you brought back old memories of complaints. Oh well, its like not the world cares anymore.
With the trem update stuff:
My friend did say this after all: Here we go again....
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I logged into the tremulous IRC a couple weeks back to ask a similar question. I was truly and honestly surprised to see Timbo still there, in the IRC. I reckon he's got some sort of bot or has forgotten that there's some random IRC client running on some distant and forgotten PC.
Edit: I'm surprised too that he was active on these forums 6 months ago
Last Active: December 09, 2011, 06:00:19 PM
I believe that the developers of this game are no longer interested. If you really want to play something like this game now or in the future support unvanquished or TremZ.
Saying this though, checking some of the team's profiles a few of them stay on top of things. People like Lakitu7, Stannum, Undeference, DASPRiD have all logged in since the beginning of April. I'd like to know how they feel about the game.
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I am also waiting for the same to happen. May be the company is facing some issues that's why it is being delayed. Ia m keeping my fingers crossed and let it happen to explore. Lets see how long do we need to wait for that??
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I am also waiting for the same to happen. May be the company is facing some issues that's why it is being delayed. Ia m keeping my fingers crossed and let it happen to explore. Lets see how long do we need to wait for that??
Yeah something like that, they're undergoing financial difficulties and are considering a merger with Microsoft Game Studios for $1 million. Once this is done they will continue to work on 1.2, and have a deadline set for March 2013. From what my (anonymous) sources tell me, it's going to have an RRP of $15, and it's going to be released on PS3, X360 and Gamecube.
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I am also waiting for the same to happen. May be the company is facing some issues that's why it is being delayed. Ia m keeping my fingers crossed and let it happen to explore. Lets see how long do we need to wait for that??
Yeah something like that, they're undergoing financial difficulties and are considering a merger with Microsoft Game Studios for $1 million. Once this is done they will continue to work on 1.2, and have a deadline set for March 2013. From what my (anonymous) sources tell me, it's going to have an RRP of $15, and it's going to be released on PS3, X360 and Gamecube.
At the tremulous E3 press conference they also revealed that they were releasing it on the Dreamcast.
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OMG WHAT THE DREAMCAST! NO IT CAN'T BE
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Howie, stop talking to yourself, and post your dang problemmo on troubleshooting.
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You dumb fat, SirFrancisBacon is not me. Also, I don't really care about my problem anymore, I'm past Trem.
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How come everyone gets their panties into a knot about this discussion? We ALL know Tremulous 1.2 is coming out Thursday, so stop acting like giant gay orgy and straighten up gg.
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*cough cough*
The end is near!
[up to you to figure out what i meant]
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I remember the good old times when we actually believed 1.2 was coming out.
You did? I never did.
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I remember the good old times when we actually believed 1.2 was coming out.
You did? I never did.
I am psychic... and people blamed me when I called it vaporware.
- dark legion hands over trem to mercenaries guild
- dark legion quits
- mercenaries guild quits
- undeference the typo fixer and devhc the troll coder are the only ones active
- not to mentioned those so called continuation projects which pop up and disappear regularly
time to move on for everyone.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMCBwjxIHY4
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2b3aZQvOI8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2b3aZQvOI8)
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8)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KylMqxLzNGo
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great track, new zealand has a good symphony orchestra.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNkevwLQ8UY
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guys, we only have to wait till thursday.
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guys, we only have to wait till thursday.
fresh joke is fresh
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guys, we only have to wait till thursday.
I don't know about you, but I'm getting really excited. Thursday is coming in a little over 4 hours!
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Hey Bulbous,
Three years is a long time to respond to a post. If the thread is dead, let it stay dead. Me, I am just lurking the forum from time to time to see if there is any actual activity.
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Most people find the topics via google.
For an obvious example, googling tremulous gpp changelog (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tremulous+gpp+changelog) leads to well, this (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=11859.0)
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who cares about necroing topics on a dead forum :P
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You can't squat and thrust at the same time.
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guys, we only have to wait till thursday.
I don't know about you, but I'm getting really excited. Thursday is coming in a little over 4 hours!
Not that Thursday, but it will be on a Thursday.
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My hope hasn't evaded me yet, the day we will see a new Tremulous exist! I swear, just, not in this universe... I tried to play NS2 but the RTS elements make me hate that game so much. On a serious note, I hope there will be something similar like this in the near future. It's just such a rare experience, to play something, that is this unique.
PS. If any old mDc (mass driver club members and those from the derelict servers see this. A point or some gibberish would make me happy again to see you guys still exist.) lol :laugh: (I went under the name Kellar J. back in 2006. I was also way childish back then, gosh, time does pass.
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guys, we only have to wait till thursday.
I don't know about you, but I'm getting really excited. Thursday is coming in a little over 4 hours!
It's Thursday! It's Thursday!!!!!
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Yesterday was Thursday. But nothing happened. I'll check again on a more different Thursday.
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1.6 is coming out this thursday
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You know it's bad when your lifetime forum ban runs out.
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lmao
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Hey Bulbous,
Three years is a long time to respond to a post. If the thread is dead, let it stay dead. Me, I am just lurking the forum from time to time to see if there is any actual activity.
You know, I think you are right!
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Yep. Still right.
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still... waiting...
:'( :advmarauder:
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I have really high hopes for this Thursday!
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They're almost done with the accompanying anti-cheat software so that nobody can use funlily for Tremulous anymore. Please be patient.
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To the Promised Land, we must go.
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till thursday man
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Thursday sure is coming...
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8)
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plague barnger
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Development success of having legacy wildly beaten by Urban Terror despite it being older and there still being a huge hole with no FPRTS anywhere in any market
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It's Thursday! Please post a link to the download.
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Download (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)
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Did that really just happen, ain't no way
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the real prank is if it was actually 1.2
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Download (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)
That's it, that's the best post on trem.net of all time.