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Community => Off Topic => Topic started by: Qrntz on March 31, 2012, 08:20:04 pm
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Hello there, and you probably guessed it — I do have screenshots to back up the claim.
Feast your eyes upon the wonderful says-it-all picture I seem to have acquired.
(http://i.imgur.com/XZfrU.png) (http://i.imgur.com/XZfrU.png)
(click the preceding image for a large, beautiful version)
This picture is pretty self-explanative, although I'd also like to note Mr. Dushan has been widely known before for using decoy accounts (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=16520.msg232575#msg232575) (note the backfire on SamOz, lying in the subject line :)) and then playing the ignoramus (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=16520.msg232581#msg232581) and whatnot. Yes, quite «widely known». The name of NinjaTM (he didn't a good job at that one either — we were supposed to believe it was «one friend of dushan who appears to have the same IP because dushan's been staying in his house») should be familiar to most of early visitors of #unvanquished.
Also note the fact the «new modeller» doesn't do anything much more than talking about polycounts and other awesome™ features dushan must've implemented. Uh, he's professional enough, I guess.
Even dustpan and dustpan accessories aside, don't you find this laughable?
(http://penguinishly.org.ua/the_great_clowning_ep2.png)
A modeler and a professional software developer for decades, resorting to community-written tools and ready-made models for ensuring his «professional» image. Uh huh.
On the subject of software development, how on Earth is the community even supposed to react to this?
Right off the TremZ roster:
(http://penguinishly.org.ua/the_great_clowning.png)
Right off the TremZ forums:
(http://penguinishly.org.ua/someone_is_a_complete_idiot.png)
I am clearly not a software developer with experience counting in decades, but what exactly is C+, and how did TremZ manage to merge it with Unvanquished's C code while upgrading (note the word) to C++ is an utter mystery to me.
What's next in line, C+- (http://baetzler.de/humor/c_more_or_less.html)? ;)
Thank you for reading our daily play-by-play report on the Great Clowning of the Year!
Keep cool and be vigilant.
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LOL
This is retarded attempt to troll and to point something, I can only assume that you have too many time so you just talk random crap and nothing else.
There is no sanity in this or any other topic. Difference only is that I don't troll or talk bad stuff about any project, and I don't have to pretend to be anybody else.
For me, you guys can troll and nothing else.
You should better spend your time with coding or anything else
EDIT: Technically I don't care for you guys or any other, like I said before if you want to troll you can do it, but I really believe that you have better things to do.
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You do know hardly anyone cares about TremZ anymore, right?
Or am I making a serious misjudgment?
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You do know hardly anyone cares about TremZ anymore, right?
Or am I making a serious misjudgment?
Apparently only guys from Unvanquished care enough to troll, and talk crap without real reason or real point. There is no sanity to do that if anybody don't care :)
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Actually, I find it incredibly entertaining which feels like reason enough.
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Hmm...
So, basically Qnrtz, you're just trying to pretend that a few screenshots with your own childish scribbles on them expressing your personal opinions are "somehow" magically adding up to what....? I don't see anything more that just your personal opinions and a pretense on your part that those opinions equal facts.
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Actually, I find it incredibly entertaining which feels like reason enough.
Well, you have point there :). But except that there isn't really any logic or point in topics like this.
If they want to show that people make mistake .... I am OK with that, because they have point in that.
If they want to show that people don't know some stuff and still talk about that .... I am OK with that, because they have point in that.
How I understand, whole problem and trolling here is because people posted some photos what they didn't do .... well, it happens. I am aware of that, but I cannot change that even if I want.
Except pointing to some things (mistakes ... stuff like that) in ALL troll topics, there is no other logic in doing that, because how CreatureofHell said, nobody actually care of TremZ anymore.
EDIT : If others really put small % of energy what they used for trolling TremZ inside their project, Unvanquished would be awesome, I can guarantee that.
EDIT #2 : To share little info about possible problems inside renderer :)
There is one big problem there because some of GPL v3 code is used inside GPL v2. How license say, you cannot use any of GPL v3 inside GPL v2, and at least for me, that is problem.
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EDIT : If others really put small % of energy what they used for trolling TremZ inside their project, Unvanquished would be awesome.
It appears their priorities are a little distorted; game improvement versus trolling.
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Neither of you seem to be responding to the fact that your screenshots of your female model are, in fact, renders of Lara Croft from a Tomb Raider posing program.
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Neither of you seem to be responding to the fact that your screenshots of your female model are, in fact, renders of Lara Croft from a Tomb Raider posing program.
OK :) I see your point there. You are shooting again at that picture. You and others should really only care about what models will be present inside pak file. Not what others post, show or what derivatives they present (regardless if they did that or not)
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OK :) I see your point there. You are shooting again at that picture. You and others should really only care about what models will be present inside pak file. Not what others post, show or what derivatives they present (regardless if they did that or not)
So you're saying that you see the point there, and that the point is that you're using Lara Croft models and passing them off as your own model work. Okay.
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Kharnov, what do you have against models of Lara Croft?
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OK :) I see your point there. You are shooting again at that picture. You and others should really only care about what models will be present inside pak file. Not what others post, show or what derivatives they present (regardless if they did that or not)
So you're saying that you see the point there, and that the point is that you're using Lara Croft models and passing them off as your own model work. Okay.
TheDushan is correct; you're apparently complaining that a model maker likes Lara Croft while ignoring that it's irrelevant to what will be in TremZ game files. Where exactly does anyone on the TremZ development team claim that we're using Lara Croft models in the TremZ game? Nobody on the project team says that. Your claims are dishonest.
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OK :) I see your point there. You are shooting again at that picture. You and others should really only care about what models will be present inside pak file. Not what others post, show or what derivatives they present (regardless if they did that or not)
So you're saying that you see the point there, and that the point is that you're using Lara Croft models and passing them off as your own model work. Okay.
Quote me where I actually said that we will use Lara Croft models ... This is yet again pathetic way to troll. You are pointing at stupid picture, and I am talking about what models we might use ... You failed to understand point that people should not care about pictures and concepts, because that can change.
I can post pictures of some model, and decide not to use that in release (regardless if that is test/beta or final) ...
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So you're admitting to taking Lara Croft models, posting pictures of them as an introduction to a new modeler that is very likely a sockpuppet account of Dushan, and these pictures have already been taken, unmodified, from the dA account of a program used to pose Tomb Raider models, which neither of you are involved with.
You return with an accusation of me pointing at pictures. Well, I can point at posts, too. Here's the thread (http://tremz.com/community/showthread.php?tid=424) and here's the particular post (http://tremz.com/community/showthread.php?tid=424&pid=6715#pid6715) shown in the screenshot. Here is the account (http://xnaaral.deviantart.com/) where the pictures are taken from.
Now you invoke both the idea of derivative works, and the claim that you won't be using these pictures to begin with. Well, those seem to be mutually exclusive to me. Which are you going to pick? Are you going to derive your female model from Lara Croft, presumably with "permission" from the company in charge of the franchise, or are you going to post something entirely different?
Don't bother editing your posts either, because I've been keeping screenshots.
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So you're admitting to taking Lara Croft models, posting pictures of them as an introduction to a new modeler that is very likely a sockpuppet account of Dushan, and these pictures have already been taken, unmodified, from the dA account of a program used to pose Tomb Raider models, which neither of you are involved with.
You return with an accusation of me pointing at pictures. Well, I can point at posts, too. Here's the thread (http://tremz.com/community/showthread.php?tid=424) and here's the particular post (http://tremz.com/community/showthread.php?tid=424&pid=6715#pid6715) shown in the screenshot. Here is the account (http://xnaaral.deviantart.com/) where the pictures are taken from.
Now you invoke both the idea of derivative works, and the claim that you won't be using these pictures to begin with. Well, those seem to be mutually exclusive to me. Which are you going to pick? Are you going to derive your female model from Lara Croft, presumably with "permission" from the company in charge of the franchise, or are you going to post something entirely different?
Don't bother editing your posts either, because I've been keeping screenshots.
This is retarded, and idiotic beyond any limits. You cannot prove or disprove that I am that person. AND THAT IS END OF THAT STORY. Permanent.
You can only speculate on that, and until you prove that claim I will ignore moronic stuff like that.
And why should I care about pictures? I am caring only on models what are present inside pak file. THE END.
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You're still not responding to the blatant fact that you've taken Lara Croft models and passed it off as your own work.
Since you seem to be having a hard time comprehending this, let me point it out more directly. Do you work for Square Enix?
(http://i.imgur.com/J4CBR.png)
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So you're admitting to taking Lara Croft models, posting pictures of them as an introduction to a new modeler that is very likely a sockpuppet account of Dushan, and these pictures have already been taken, unmodified, from the dA account of a program used to pose Tomb Raider models, which neither of you are involved with.
You return with an accusation of me pointing at pictures. Well, I can point at posts, too. Here's the thread (http://tremz.com/community/showthread.php?tid=424) and here's the particular post (http://tremz.com/community/showthread.php?tid=424&pid=6715#pid6715) shown in the screenshot. Here is the account (http://xnaaral.deviantart.com/) where the pictures are taken from.
Now you invoke both the idea of derivative works, and the claim that you won't be using these pictures to begin with. Well, those seem to be mutually exclusive to me. Which are you going to pick? Are you going to derive your female model from Lara Croft, presumably with "permission" from the company in charge of the franchise, or are you going to post something entirely different?
Don't bother editing your posts either, because I've been keeping screenshots.
Hang on, what planet are you on again?
You seem to have gone so far off the deep end, it's scary.
I examine some of your strange claims there in detail;
So you're admitting to taking Lara Croft models,
Who has? Can you cite where?
posting pictures of them as an introduction to a new modeler that is very likely a sockpuppet account of Dushan
Proof?
We already have plenty of model makers. I doubt we need TheDushan to make them.
and these pictures have already been taken, unmodified, from the dA account of a program used to pose Tomb Raider models, which neither of you are involved with.
Yes, we're not involved with making that software. It's not part of the TremZ game. A model maker's hobbies elsewhere are also irrelevant.
Now you invoke both the idea of derivative works,
Well, are derivative artworks illegal or not?
Sixthly tries to claim they are. Apparently. And you seem to want to pretend that they are.
But this issue has nothing to do with the TremZ game.
Are you going to derive your female model from Lara Croft,
Of course not.
:o
Gee, you're being weird.
or are you going to post something entirely different?
Eh? Of course there's going to be a different model in the game.
Don't bother editing your posts either, because I've been keeping screenshots.
I always edit my posts for clarity. Waste as many screenshots as you like. It's only the final version of my post that matters.
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You're still not responding to the blatant fact that you've taken Lara Croft models and passed it off as your own work.
Who? TheDushan? No he hasn't. He never claimed he did either.
You're being really weird now.
Since you seem to be having a hard time comprehending this,
I'm wondering more at your sanity, actually.
let me point it out more directly. Do you work for Square Enix?
Do you? You're doing a grand job spamming advertising for them.
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Who has? Can you cite where?
(http://i.imgur.com/Tcwvl.png)
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I will tell you again, and this is final,
YOU KHARNOV ARE RETARDED 100%
Let me understand your logic, you are again posting crappy photo and text from post where SamOz posted that "he did that".
There is always possibility that SamOz created mistake, got wrong intel, or just like I said in other post today ... modeler just wanted that he get credit for things what he didnt do.
Shame on him for doing that, you cannot possible understand how much I dont care for pictures what they post on forum ...
I care only for models what will be present inside pak file (I am saying that again, because you FAIL to see that point) ...
And unlike you guys, I understand very good licenses and what you CAN and what you CANNOT do with them.
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Good thing I ain't involved for this.
What this all looks from view of outsider (my Point Of View:)
You all* are total fuckheads.
You keep bickering, trolling, throwing "facts", accusing of model stealing and everything else. A fucking waste of time.
Seriously, has someone popped your egos like balloons with sharp needle?
What I would suggest you to do?
Reconcile. Either fusing back to one team (with someone else in charge, more sensible person, if you cuntbags can achieve that) or get back to your camps and fiddle with your things, maybe even do some teamwork. (this is, I guess, least what you can do. But I don't get hopes up, especially about latter.)
Have a Nice Day.
(Seriously, I am shaking with rage now.)
*Not generalizing everyone.
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This is retarded, and idiotic beyond any limits. You cannot prove or disprove that I am that person. AND THAT IS END OF THAT STORY. Permanent.
Apparently, this (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=16520.msg232575#msg232575) is not you, and NinjaTM wasn't you at all either.
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HermXIV tried that, CorSair.
He tried to invite the Unvanquished group back. They refused. It's too late now.
I suggest that you simply ban all these troll posts about Unvanquished and TremZ. Neither game is Tremulous. Neither belongs here.
We on the TremZ team have always said it's better to get on with developing our game. That is what we have been doing. I rarely post on Tremulous.net anyway.
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You're still not replying to the fact that you have pictures of Lara Croft models up, and that you're claiming it as your development team's work.
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You're still not replying to the fact that you have pictures of Lara Croft models up, and that you're claiming it as your development team's work.
hahhahahhaha LOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Kharnov, you really have problem with common sense and logic.
CorSair, look few days ago I connected on Unvanquished chatroom and told Ishq and Cron
mar 27 00:35:40 <TheDushan> hi cron
mar 27 00:35:56 <TheDushan> cron, I believe that its time to stop all this flaming and hating between everybody
mar 27 00:36:03 <TheDushan> is there any way that we can stop that?
mar 27 00:43:22 <TheDushan> hi `Ishq
mar 27 00:43:28 <TheDushan> `Ishq, I believe that its time to stop all this flaming and hating between everybody
mar 27 00:43:33 <TheDushan> is there any way that we can stop that?
And I didnt get any reply from them.... Please dont tell me that they cannot find me on other chatrooms.
EDIT: I even talked with your_face about all this. I can post full log or better :) you can ask him =]
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I can keep pointing out that post, you can keep making yourself look ridiculous, and SamOz can keep accusing me of insanity, but it still stands that you have pictures of Lara Croft up and a claim that it belongs to you and/or someone on your development team.
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You're still not replying to the fact that you have pictures of Lara Croft models up, and that you're claiming it as your development team's work.
That particular software is for making Lara Croft models and posing them in variations. That's what it's designed to do. There are a lot of Lara Croft fans around.
We are NOT claiming that the TremZ development team is making Lara Croft models, you're nuts to even pretend that we are. The hobbies of individuals are also not our concern, people are allowed private lives. You should respect that too.
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I can keep pointing out that post, you can keep making yourself look ridiculous, and SamOz can keep accusing me of insanity, but it still stands that you have pictures of Lara Croft up and a claim that it belongs to you and/or someone on your development team.
Kharnov, you should really look for medical problems. Because you fail.... you failed at trolling here, you are pointing on some silly picture what SamOz posted.
Why should anybody give so much attention to that?
What you will show that they didnt do that? OK .... and ???????
Quote me what I actually said that we will use that or that we have that in work?
If you dont quote ME, that didnt happen. END. kthxbye
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Again, you're mangling my words. I'm not saying you're making Lara Croft models. I'm saying that you clearly have two images up of Lara Croft, and you clearly say, "here are some examples of his art." You're still not replying to this.
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Again, you're mangling my words. I'm not saying you're making Lara Croft models. I'm saying that you clearly have two images up of Lara Croft, and you clearly say, "here are some examples of his art." You're still not replying to this.
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Read few posts UP where I said about posting images on forum.
EDIT: I will give you clue, because you are too upset to read. Read -> Reply #19
One's again you failed.
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Kharnov,
The private hobbies of individuals are not our concern, neither should they be yours. Whether or not a model maker is a member of the XNALara community and is a fan of Lara Croft is irrelevant. Whatever software that a model maker uses to express their liking of Lara Croft is also irrelevant.
I merely replied to what you stated. You claimed that the TremZ development team are making Lara Croft models. We're not.
Stop trolling, go and work on your game.
End of discussion.
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Show me where I claimed you're making Lara Croft models.
Also, not only are you still not replying to what I've pointed out, but you're also accusing me of having mental illness and/or trolling. You still haven't edited your post in that thread to remove the claim that one of you made those images.
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Show me where I claimed you're making Lara Croft models.
Also, not only are you still not replying to what I've pointed out, but you're also accusing me of having mental illness and/or trolling. You still haven't edited your post in that thread to remove the claim that one of you made those images.
Yes I clam that you have mental illness.
And after 32 reply's we we got to problem what is bothering Unvanquished team .....
"You still haven't edited your post in that thread to remove the claim that one of you made those images."
Yes Master it will be done.
While I am here what else can we do, because on most of time I like to watch topics, not to post.
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The private hobbies of individuals are not our concern
Clearly they are, since you posted them.
Now whether Retro is XNAaral is TheDushan or some combination thereof, is undetermined. All I can say is I've seen Volt post completely unrelated pictures of other peoples work to promote the project and I wouldn't at all be surprised if that's what you were doing here.
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The private hobbies of individuals are not our concern
Clearly they are, since you posted them.
Now whether Retro is XNAaral is TheDushan or some combination thereof, is undetermined. All I can say is I've seen Volt post completely unrelated pictures of other peoples work to promote the project and I wouldn't at all be surprised if that's what you were doing here.
Well about what Volt did is questionable, and that is true. And until he post it will stay like it is now.
I can not speak for others, if we want to talk on possibilities what here happened, maybe he did that work, maybe SamOz got wrong info and posted, maybe he just want to take credits for that, ... All that is possible, and nobody can confirm or denied that. Its matter of speculations. Life mystery :)
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The private hobbies of individuals are not our concern
Clearly they are, since you posted them.
Clearly they're not, despite your word games.
We defend the right of individuals to have private lives, you obviously don't. If an artist who is a fan of Lara Croft uses software designed for posing models of Lara Croft, and alters those images to suit his own desires, that is not our concern. If an artist chooses to use a particular software for their private hobbies, is not our concern. If an artist is part of a community that are fans of using that software, is also not our concern.
What concerns me more is the way certain individuals try to attack someone else's private hobbies that they engage in their own private lives.
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Show me where I claimed you're making Lara Croft models.
Your OWN words, Kharnov;
You're still not replying to the fact that you have pictures of Lara Croft models up, and that you're claiming it as your development team's work.
You're still not responding to the blatant fact that you've taken Lara Croft models and passed it off as your own work.
We never claimed any such thing for either of these claims of yours.
Kharnov, you're apparently some nutter with no commonsense, no comprehension of logic, and no concern for individual privacy.
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I see that you've finally removed the images. Thanks!
Have a nice day.
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I see that you've finally removed the images. Thanks!
Have a nice day.
My attachments folder was full. I clear it occasionally.
What exactly is your mental problem, Kharnov?
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I see that you've finally removed the images. Thanks!
Have a nice day.
At end, as my last post here on this topic and issue....
I would really like that Unvanquished team/people (whatever) stop with trolling against on TremZ.
Because nobody at TremZ trolled against Unvanquished (start trolling, posting random topics, pics, posts...), and at least while I am there, there will not be any trolling on Unvanquished.
EDIT: I would just like the same from Unvanquished
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I would really like that Unvanquished team/people (whatever) stop with trolling against on TremZ.
Criticism != trolling
When somebody claims something that is contrary to your worldview, it is easy to discount it as trolling instead of giving it serious thought and reevaluating the situation. Especially when several people bring up the same thing, consider the possibility that they actually believe what they are saying, and that you might be wrong.
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Yes Kynes I am fully aware on that, but how you know its matter of how you approach to problem. Its always better to post PM, on their forum about mistake and criticism instead of just bashing ... rest you know.
I am aware that posts was deleted from TremZ forum when somebody think that they troll. But there is difference between valid criticism and trolling.
Look if I use this approach ....
"Look guys, you posted some photos what might not be work from (some dude), you should investigate it and if it isn't his work, remove it". Instead of that approach, others used different, and because of that we got here. And I am sorry because we got here on fortieth reply.
I would like that others stop with trolling and their valid concerns post on right forum. I can promise that ALL valid concerns will be reevaluate and not removed from forum.
Like I said, its matter of approach to problem and how you present it.
And my point still stay that I would like Unvanquished to stop trolling TremZ
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consider the possibility that they actually believe what they are saying, and that you might be wrong.
So, you want to support Kharnov's silly claim that the TremZ team is making Lara Croft models too?
:o
If their crazy claims aren't trolling, then it must be insanity on their part. So what do you say it is? Bear in mind, this isn't about opinion, it's a fact that TremZ is not making Lara Croft models.
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Also, I'm not sure whether you're misreading what is said
Read Kharnov's posts, HE made the claim, not anyone on TremZ.
you keep contesting that TremZ is going to use Lara Croft models
Kharnov INSISTED that we were. Read his posts, read what I quoted. Deal with the fact that he is WRONG. And so are you.
The point was you seemed to be misrepresenting the capabilities of this allegedly new model creator
If you want to attack the hobbies of people, activities that they engage in their private lives, then you are nothing but the lowest of the low. Nobody in TremZ is misrepresenting anything, but what you Unvanquished trolls have done with your repetitive, inane, crazy, irrational creation of threads for the sole purpose of bashing TremZ, or attacking individuals associated with TremZ is simply disgusting.
If you don't want to be percieved as trolls, then stop acting like trolls. The END.
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My point is, whether or not you agree with what they said, qrntz and kharnov are not trolling.
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If they were trolling then you've successfully fed them. I'm not saying they are trolling, but the proper response to someone you believe to be a troll is not to respond to them. If you really have to respond, make sure it's short and to the point while avoiding drawn-out discussions with them.
Also, I'm not sure whether you're misreading what is said or are just creating straw men (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man) but you keep contesting that TremZ is going to use Lara Croft models when that was never the point. The accusation was asserting you were faking new members. I don't know whether this is true but you don't seem to have denied it so much as pointed towards the lack of proof.
I don't think anyone thinks you're going to use Lara Croft models in TremZ. The point was you seemed to be misrepresenting the capabilities of this allegedly new model creator by providing pictures of a model that you acknowledge was not made by anyone associated with TremZ. It may be the case that the model was posed or the picture was taken/editted by this artist, but that says next to zero about their modelling capabilities. So either you or this new member (or both) made a dishonest attempt to impress or it was a gross mistake that you have yet to apologise for. Note how this point stands regardless of whether the new member was a fake or not. It's stuff like this that gives you a bad reputation.
Simple English tl;dr Version:
- You think they are trolls? Then don't respond to them.
- They said you faked a new member. You haven't convinced us otherwise.
- They don't expect you to use Lara Croft models in TremZ. The question is how shots of a model pose are anything to do with how good the new model creator is unless the model was made by him.
- You're not improving TremZ's image.
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HermXIV tried that, CorSair.
He tried to invite the Unvanquished group back. They refused. It's too late now.
I suggest that you simply ban all these troll posts about Unvanquished and TremZ. Neither game is Tremulous. Neither belongs here.
We on the TremZ team have always said it's better to get on with developing our game. That is what we have been doing. I rarely post on Tremulous.net anyway.
after what volt did, i'd refuse to come back as well.
hell after what volt did, in addition to what he is currently doing, i left your forum and project, never to return. i do kind of miss talking about story stuff for aliens and such with you and index, but at least my conscious is clean.
what a conundrum. both tremz and 1.2 are vaporware, and unvanquished is progressing in directions i dont care for.
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Look, rational people and unvanquished devs/hangers on, please just leave the poor defenceless tremz guys alone, you should know better than to harass such vulnerable individuals, at this point it's probably best not to question the fantasy world they've developed, it's clearly an important part of their coping strategy.
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In all serious, I wish that everyone would just stop posting in all these threads and wait a while. Time is the only thing that will tell who is right. Everything before that is just speculation.
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+1
it is annoying
and immature
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I say let the argument continue cause it's funny as hell
Hey, Kharnov! SamOz told me he spit in your burger the other day! *giggles*