Tremulous Forum
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: rotacak on November 15, 2012, 09:00:18 pm
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Hello,
maybe you know me as the owner of the most popular gpp server R Unlimited CZ, or as author of several different mods and maps.
Because computer games are my life and Tremulous dying, I decided to make a radical thing. I left my job and started working on a direct sequel of the game.
Look at features
\___Website: www.tremulous2.com (http://www.tremulous2.com)
Discuss on forum
\___Forum: forum.tremulous2.com (http://forum.tremulous2.com)
(btw, on our site is a direct link to this game and thanks to these developers)
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The site looks professional and I'm loving what I see in 'Media'! A little thing: you misspelled 'biting' as 'bitting' on the front page in the 'Aliens' box.
I do have some questions though and I hope you understand that I ask because I care:
- What is Capella?
- Do you have licenses to base the 'themed maps' on these movies/games?
- Isn't offering money for community made models getting a little ahead of yourself? It works for TF2 because they already have a huge community and infrastructure in place
- How much of the AAA game engine will be ioquake3 code?
These are only the first questions to occur to me, and there will no doubt be more that you have probably (or hopefully) asked yourself. I don't want to discourage what seems like a potentially great project and only hope you don't regret leaving your job for this. I can't stress enough how much I like the art and hope you continue to create stuff for us to see.
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:o :o :o :o :o :o
I am intrigued. It actually looks like Tremulous, but better, as opposed to Unvanquished.
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I wish you the best of luck, but...this isn't going to be a free game right? This is a commercial game?
http://www.aaagames.cz/ (http://www.aaagames.cz/)
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Oh come on Nux you luv trem so stop that! Anyway since they made a game company im sure they know their laws and their responsibilities.
Good luck rotacak and team.
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The site looks professional and I'm loving what I see in 'Media'! A little thing: you misspelled 'biting' as 'bitting' on the front page in the 'Aliens' box.
Fixed, thanks.
I do have some questions though and I hope you understand that I ask because I care:
- What is Capella?
- Do you have licenses to base the 'themed maps' on these movies/games?
- Isn't offering money for community made models getting a little ahead of yourself? It works for TF2 because they already have a huge community and infrastructure in place
- How much of the AAA game engine will be ioquake3 code?
These are only the first questions to occur to me, and there will no doubt be more that you have probably (or hopefully) asked yourself. I don't want to discourage what seems like a potentially great project and only hope you don't regret leaving your job for this. I can't stress enough how much I like the art and hope you continue to create stuff for us to see.
We do not have FAQ yet, so question are welcomed.
Capella: little explanation is there: http://forum.tremulous2.com/index.php?topic=8.0
Theme maps: No, we don't have licenses. Our theme maps will be inspired, not same with same name. So if you will see map name "Pandora", there will be floating hills and giant tree, you will know that it will have something to do with one popular movie, even without license.
Community made models: It will work after game will be released and these assets will be marked like unofficial.
How much of the AAA game engine will be ioquake3 code?: None. Everything will be rewritten. It is not even possible to port this game to top engine without complete rewrite.
And thanks for nice words :)
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I wish you the best of luck, but...this isn't going to be a free game right? This is a commercial game?
http://www.aaagames.cz/ (http://www.aaagames.cz/)
Thanks. You have right, it will be commercial game.
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You should consider donating some of your profit to Tremulous Project.
Though, I don't think you can make money worth your time and effort.
1) Overused concept.
2) Many competitors (e.g. Natural Selection 2).
3) The title you choose has no benefits. Tremulous already have a small community. Even then what remained of the Tremulous Community will not consider it as a true successor as you have never been a part of the Tremulous Development Team. Moreover, since it is a commercial title, you may have trouble with copyright owners as Tremulous is a very generic name.
Assuming you do not do it solely for money, good luck. Being able to do what you like is priceless after all.
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the website uses Google Analytics... :blarg:
It actually looks like Tremulous, but better, as opposed to Unvanquished.
ind33d.
You should consider donating some of your profit to Tremulous Project.
ie., me?
The title you choose has no benefits. Moreover, since it is a commercial title, you may have trouble with copyright owners as Tremulous is a very generic name.
lol, ind33d:
- http://www.tremulous.co.uk/ (http://www.tremulous.co.uk/)
- http://tremulous.info/ (http://tremulous.info/)
however, the game was first.
see some naming goals (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=16456.msg231962#msg231962) (don't mind the thread derailment).
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I left my job and started working on a direct sequel of the game.
This makes me uneasy. DUN BECOME HOMELESS PLEASE.
Apart from that, the screens look fantastic. Like people have said, you have a very coherent and pretty art style. I'm looking forward to seeing the granger.
I realise from the pictures that you'll be adding new aliens and such. But at a basic level, will your game play more like GPP or 1.1? (please say 1.1)
Either way, if you manage to get a decent stable release out there, I'll buy it.
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FLY ALIEN
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according to my title screen, "tremulous" is copyright darklegion development.
do you have the rights to make a "tremulous 2"?
especially a "commercial" project.
you arnt just volt under a different name, are you?
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amz181: it is not "me", it is "we" :) And yes, it will be based on 1.1. We have already done first version of granger, but is too good to show him now :)
RAKninja-Decepticon: ok, so no new tremulous 2, we will delete it.
Joking :) "tremulous" name cannot be copyrighted, only trademarked and tremulous is not trademarked. Darklegion Development not exists anymore and Tremulous 1 will die soon (sadly). And in these cases does not matter if it is commercial or no. Moreover we linking from our website to this original game, that can even bring some players.
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Lol guys it's very funny how you talk about copyright issues. You'd rather check it out before say something, but anyway it's very funny to seeing you how you all write about it :)
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amz181: it is not "me", it is "we" :) And yes, it will be based on 1.1. We have already done first version of granger, but is too good to show him now :)
RAKninja-Decepticon: ok, so no new tremulous 2, we will delete it.
Joking :) "tremulous" name cannot be copyrighted, only trademarked and tremulous is not trademarked. Darklegion Development not exists anymore and Tremulous 1 will die soon (sadly). And in these cases does not matter if it is commercial or no. Moreover we linking from our website to this original game, that can even bring some players.
brb, developing commercial software as "sequels" to open source projects.
also, you seem to be mistaken on your assumption no one will care if it is commercial. see "nexuiz".
and yes, i know a name can only be trademarked. however, every single aspect other than that can be, (and i believe is) copywritten.
i also hope all of your art assets are built from scratch, as all of that in trem is creative commons, and is specifically forbidden from commercial use.
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i also hope all of your art assets are built from scratch, as all of that in trem is creative commons, and is specifically forbidden from commercial use.
Of course. We cannot use anything from Tremulous 1 (code, assets). Code is incompatible and assets are in low quality for our goal. So we have to make everything from scratch.
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Even if it is not trademarked yet, Tremulous Team can always void your trademark application (at least in most countries). This might give you lots of headache.
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Misusing the name of a FOSS game for a commercial game is an impertinence no matter if the name was legally protected or not.
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you arnt just volt under a different name, are you?
Nope, rotacak is the administrator of the European unlimited build points server.
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you arnt just volt under a different name, are you?
Nope, rotacak is the administrator of the European unlimited build points server.
oh, that explains much.
i also hope all of your art assets are built from scratch, as all of that in trem is creative commons, and is specifically forbidden from commercial use.
Of course. We cannot use anything from Tremulous 1 (code, assets). Code is incompatible and assets are in low quality for our goal. So we have to make everything from scratch.
how do you have media that "looks like tremulous but better" if you are not using any assets from tremulous? are you saying you didnt resize/sharpen some textures? everything is built 100% from scratch, not even using trem's assets as a starting point?
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Using Tremulous models as a starting point does not make much sense, as they are incredibly low poly compared to what rotacak will most likely aim for. He and his team will, quite literally, build the game from the ground up. It will be inspired by Tremulous, and share Tremulous's name and central gameplay goals, but other than that, expect everything else will be built from scratch.
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......Today was good....
..then I found out I won't have to play "Unvanquished" when 1.1 dies...
...Yea, pretty fucking awesome day.
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbuy4pzqYO1r79k9c.gif)
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If it actually costs money to get the game, i'd refuse honestly because i do not have the ability to use money online nor have intentions to do so.
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are you saying you didnt resize/sharpen some textures? everything is built 100% from scratch, not even using trem's assets as a starting point?
Yes, exactly. We will release some building process videos, so you can see it.
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Even if it is not trademarked yet, Tremulous Team can always void your trademark application (at least in most countries). This might give you lots of headache.
We did not make trademark application - it would be probably denied, because of existing game. And I think, that this name is positive for everyone. We choose this name because - it is Tremulous 2 and we know that T1 will die soon, nobody planning new version and that game will be forgotten. With this name can everything live longer, even with credits to original developers.
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according to my title screen, "tremulous" is copyright darklegion development.
Darklegion Development is the pseudoname of the collection of all contributors. use of "copyright (c) 666 Darklegion Development" is a fancy replacement of "copyright (c) 666 all respective owners".
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are you saying you didnt resize/sharpen some textures? everything is built 100% from scratch, not even using trem's assets as a starting point?
Yes, exactly. We will release some building process videos, so you can see it.
There seems to be a misunderstanding here about what constitutes a derived work. It does not matter if you draw over the original or if you drew on a blank canvas while looking at the original. The thing that makes it a derived work is that it's similar enough to the original work that any reasonable person would look at it and conclude that it was based on it.
So it is a derived work and, in that sense, was not built 100% from scratch. That doesn't mean I don't like what you've done, on the contrary I think the art is a massive improvement.
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It actually looks like Tremulous, but better, as opposed to Unvanquished.
Looks are debatable (http://i.imgur.com/oQ1Tp.jpg), so there's no reason to go into a discussion here. But be aware that a Tremulous remake that is built on top of another non-ioquake engine will never truly behave like Tremulous. Take Counterstike as an example: Most of the 1.6 players never got used to the Source Engine remake just because weapons and movement behaved slightly different. In the same way Quake 4 (idTech 4) couldn't replace Quake 3 (idTech 3) even though it looked a lot better than its direct predecessor. Unvanquished doesn't aim to be a simple remake and will (hopefully) take the genre in a new direction but on the other hand is a true fork of the Tremulous code so weapons and classes will behave exactly like in Tremulous.
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It actually looks like Tremulous, but better, as opposed to Unvanquished.
Looks are debatable (http://i.imgur.com/oQ1Tp.jpg)
That does not look like Tremulous anymore. There's no debate to it.
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i wish you the best of luck with this project, it looks very nice. i have a good feeling about it particularly because kharnov is not involved with it. :D
but why not simply change the name, change up the models more, and just call it a "spiritual" successor of tremulous or somesuch, so you don't have to deal with all this name/copyright/trademark junk going on?
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I noticed that the only original(!) 3D model is teslagen. Others are original tremulous models interpolated and rendered in a modeling software.
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but why not simply change the name, change up the models more, and just call it a "spiritual" successor of tremulous or somesuch, so you don't have to deal with all this name/copyright/trademark junk going on?
Well, for example another good name "trem" is trademarked, but "tremulous". Our selected name "tremulous" have one additional reason, and if it will be really needed, we will change name to anything else.
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I noticed that the only original(!) 3D model is teslagen. Others are original tremulous models interpolated and rendered in a modeling software.
Please try to interpolate dretch and show me same result. And remember your words when you will see our videos with modeling process.
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i have a good feeling about it particularly because kharnov is not involved with it. :D
kharnov in particular is a very good project leader. From the mod projects I've seen so far the degree of structured development in Unvanquished is outstanding. Most notably there have been alpha releases at the start of every month for nearly a year now, each showing significant progress. Many free games and mod projects don't even survive long enough to release playable footage at all (as a level designer you've probably made the same experience).
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I noticed that the only original(!) 3D model is teslagen. Others are original tremulous models interpolated and rendered in a modeling software.
Please try to interpolate dretch and show me same result. And remember your words when you will see our videos with modeling process.
Something I did a few years ago in less than 30 minutes.
(http://i.imgur.com/ako6v.jpg)
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vcxzet: where you spent 30 minutes? It still looks blocky.
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vcxzet: where you spent 30 minutes? It still looks blocky.
Those are texture seams you can get rid of them with some more work.
IIRC I just upscaled the texture and added some noise texture as a detail shader.
So, you paid attention to a few more points. However, texture of your dretch looks low resolution and blurry.
Anyway, my point stays valid; only original model so far is the teslagen.
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i wish you the best of luck with this project, it looks very nice. i have a good feeling about it particularly because kharnov is not involved with it. :D
but why not simply change the name, change up the models more, and just call it a "spiritual" successor of tremulous or somesuch, so you don't have to deal with all this name/copyright/trademark junk going on?
i'm going to go out on a limb here, and guess it is because there are no original bones in anyone involved bodies.
Looks are debatable (http://i.imgur.com/oQ1Tp.jpg)
i dont wanna bitch about UV here, but what the hell is that even supposed to be? that's even more fugly that the rant i remember. and not in a good way.
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fugly
not that bad really ... http://media.moddb.com/images/articles/1/114/113779/qTjj3h.jpg
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fugly
not that bad really ... http://media.moddb.com/images/articles/1/114/113779/qTjj3h.jpg
that's no trem rant. that looks to be a WH40k carnifex shrunk down and crossed with a 'nid warrior breed of some kind.
and while the quality of the work is not bad, it is a fucking ugly interpretation of a tyrant.
i'll continue to criticize the art if you like, in one of the tremz/unvanq threads. here, we're supposed to tell this dude what a rube he is for this entire "tremulous 2" malarky.
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kharnov in particular is a very good project leader.
WRONG.
fugly
not that bad really ... http://media.moddb.com/images/articles/1/114/113779/qTjj3h.jpg
the new tyrant is better. the new dretch sux mutated goatdicks.
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i'll continue to criticize the art if you like, in one of the tremz/unvanq threads. here, we're supposed to tell this dude what a rube he is for this entire "tremulous 2" malarky.
Agreed.
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You know rotacak, upon telling amz181 today that I had played GPP in the past, he went offline on Steam, I don't know if he blocked me or just did it as a prank. I hope this doesn't happen with Tremulous 2 if I play it. Also he will go apeshit if it resembles GPP rather than 1.1 as you claim.
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Will you accept pre-orders now cause I'll be more than willing to pay for it.
I would also recommend that you allow the game be sold through Steam, so you can get a good amount of pocket change.
Oh and one other thing, good luck and I hope it was worth it.
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Stay true to the source and acknowledge your parents.
You have my blessing.