It's okay, the remnants of the forum crowd are continuing theShit, you actually mentioned what my physics teachers are like at my school. Minus the word 'convention' but rather a star trek debate.dailyweekly quota of conversations by engaging in more cyclic pedantry than the autistic lovechild of a Wikipedia flamewar and a nerd fight at a Star Trek convention.
It's okay, the remnants of the forum crowd are continuing thei check the forums once a day, but just like always, i only post when i see something worth posting about.dailyweekly quota of conversations by engaging in more cyclic pedantry than the autistic lovechild of a Wikipedia flamewar and a nerd fight at a Star Trek convention.
It's okay, the remnants of the forum crowd are continuing thei check the forums once a day, but just like always, i only post when i see something worth posting about.dailyweekly quota of conversations by engaging in more cyclic pedantry than the autistic lovechild of a Wikipedia flamewar and a nerd fight at a Star Trek convention.
What he's trying to say, is that to him, you're worth posting about kharnov.i miss him abusing his admin powers on me ingame, and coming to cry about it here.
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more cyclic pedantry than the autistic lovechild of a Wikipedia flamewarkharnov is still butthurt.
yet, you proved him rightmore cyclic pedantry than the autistic lovechild of a Wikipedia flamewarkharnov is still butthurt.
/dev/humancontroller probably accounts for 90% of this pedantry.lies and slander. you did not factor me in.
it is more important to mention that i proved him WRONG.yet, you proved him rightmore cyclic pedantry than the autistic lovechild of a Wikipedia flamewarkharnov is still butthurt.
it is more important to mention that i proved him WRONG.is all you ever care about. As long as you can prove someone wrong you're satisfied...
I miss the days when you could do several posts per day on the forum in interesting topics... :'(i miss the days when us1 had players.
I miss the days when tremulous 1.1 servers had 60+ players...I miss the days when you could do several posts per day on the forum in interesting topics... :'(i miss the days when us1 had players.
Are you guys trying to suggest the game was better than the forums?I miss the days when tremulous 1.1 servers had 60+ players...I miss the days when you could do several posts per day on the forum in interesting topics... :'(i miss the days when us1 had players.
Are you guys trying to suggest the game was better than the forums?is still, in fact, if we exclude the small community issue (it takes waiting time to populate a server of your choosing). if you've never played the game yet, then you missed a lot of fun.
you can manage it? every time i try i get at best one person other than me onto the server, at best. everyone else seems happy to play on r unlimited cz, a place where i will not go.Are you guys trying to suggest the game was better than the forums?is still, in fact, if we exclude the small community issue (it takes waiting time to populate a server of your choosing). if you've never played the game yet, then you missed a lot of fun.
I don't think gpp ever reached that number. I remembered playing with ~80 players on atcs, it was hell cramped, you'd get a "Blocker" message every minute or two or with teamkill MOD spam for humans once they reached S3. I never joined the 94-player one though, but I did remember seeing it. I had the screenshot on my now-dead computer, should've backed it up :(I miss the days when tremulous 1.1 servers had 60+ players...Are you guys trying to suggest the game was better than the forums?
everyone else seems happy to play on r unlimited czHell no. I hate UBP/300+ bp absolutely. Takes forever to win or lose. Games become heavily dependent on ckits.
Takes forever to win or lose.which is either good or bad. the 480-minute game on the Procyon (procyon-r1) map on the Amsterdam Unlimited server was uber epic. i've also heard about a 500-minute game on Karith (also on Amsterdam Unlimited).
Takes forever to win or lose.which is either good or bad. the 480-minute game on the Procyon (procyon-r1) map on the Amsterdam Unlimited server was uber epic. i've also heard about a 500-minute game on Karith (also on Amsterdam Unlimited).
i dunno nux. when you break it down, playing a series of standard games breaks down to about the same thing. the only difference is that the scoreboard gets wiped every 45 mins or less, along with the map. but overall, it really breaks down to your description.Takes forever to win or lose.which is either good or bad. the 480-minute game on the Procyon (procyon-r1) map on the Amsterdam Unlimited server was uber epic. i've also heard about a 500-minute game on Karith (also on Amsterdam Unlimited).
I'm willing to go with 'bad': 4 hours of repeatedly killing the same feeders in order to buy the same upgrade so I can perform the same cheap attack to destroy the same cluster of base defences until eventually one team fails to rebuild enough to prevent themselves from losing isn't something I'm willing to call 'epic' and waste my free time on. Non-unlimited games are less likely to focus on the most boring parts of the game and will at least occasionally involve something more than simple attrition warfare.
This is why when I occasionally play on those servers, I will always try to nip the game in the bud before it devolves into such silliness.
WRONG. 8 hours. (personally, IIRC, i joined at the 110th minute).the 480-minute game on the Procyon (procyon-r1) map on the Amsterdam Unlimited server was uber epic.4 hours
I'm willing to go with 'bad': 4 hours of repeatedly killing the same feeders in order to buy the same upgrade so I can perform the same cheap attack to destroy the same cluster of base defences until eventually one team fails to rebuild enough to prevent themselves from losing isn't something I'm willing to call 'epic' and waste my free time on. Non-unlimited games are less likely to focus on the most boring parts of the game and will at least occasionally involve something more than simple attrition warfare.you are confusing Amsterdam Unlimited with unlimited buildpoints (you should also note that AU has a lot of gameplay mods). you also assume that you would be an independent player surrounded by independent idiots. however, the fact is that on AU, i was acquainted with a lot of non-retarded, regular players, and i could cooperate with them, and can additionally talk about random topics when i don't need to make input-intensive actions. in other words, while guarding may be boring in some cases, coordinating defending at key locations is fun, and is something that you'd want to experience.
repeatedly killing the same feeders in order to buy the same upgrade so I can perform the same cheap attack to destroy the same cluster of base defences until eventually one team fails to rebuild enough to prevent themselves from losing isn't something I'm willing to call 'epic' and waste my free time on.This is my main reason. Repeatition. Nab suits spamming or hall camping etc.
i dunno nux. when you break it down, playing a series of standard games breaks down to about the same thing. the only difference is that the scoreboard gets wiped every 45 mins or less, along with the map. but overall, it really breaks down to your description.
i blame the tendency to find one way that works, then claim it is the only way. even discount this, there are only so many places you can place a base, and only so many ways to realistically defend it.
WRONG. 8 hours. (personally, IIRC, i joined at the 110th minute).the 480-minute game on the Procyon (procyon-r1) map on the Amsterdam Unlimited server was uber epic.4 hoursI'm willing to go with 'bad': 4 hours of repeatedly killing the same feeders in order to buy the same upgrade so I can perform the same cheap attack to destroy the same cluster of base defences until eventually one team fails to rebuild enough to prevent themselves from losing isn't something I'm willing to call 'epic' and waste my free time on. Non-unlimited games are less likely to focus on the most boring parts of the game and will at least occasionally involve something more than simple attrition warfare.you are confusing Amsterdam Unlimited with unlimited buildpoints (you should also note that AU has a lot of gameplay mods). you also assume that you would be an independent player surrounded by independent idiots. however, the fact is that on AU, i was acquainted with a lot of non-retarded, regular players, and i could cooperate with them, and can additionally talk about random topics when i don't need to make input-intensive actions. in other words, while guarding may be boring in some cases, coordinating defending at key locations is fun, and is something that you'd want to experience.
It's like the booster is now alien's official healing station, unless someone's willing to afk as a basi.you dont have to "afk" to do good healing as a basi. i find it quite easy to balance out "remaining close in order to heal" with "kill humans and human structures". i find that even in "ninja basi" mode, where you are solo, it is easy to stop for a couple of seconds and top off the health of larger classes as you move around the level.
Before both teams reach stage 3 each team needs to play tactically so as not to give the opponent the stage advantage.and after both teams reach stage 3, they will be able to try base moves with less expected benefit for the enemy. if the match time limit and the permitted base size are sufficiently large (ie., on AU), then each match lends itself to such late base-moving scenarios. this is practically never the case with stock game settings.
Players aren't so likely to switch teams during a match and doubly so when they've invested in a team for many hours.on the other hand, they can simply leave, while new players can come and join.
It's bad enough when a server insists on playing the same map over and over. It's no better when it's the same map, same team and same stage 3 vs stage 3 gameplay for hours on end.WRONG.
Players aren't so likely to switch teams during a match and doubly so when they've invested in a team for many hours. yet again, this allows for more variation.(i congratulate you on your failed use of a backward reference.)
you've called attention to things I've said as if they were in errorthat's probably because they were ind33d in error.
WRONG. 8 hours. (personally, IIRC, i joined at the 110th minute).the 480-minute game on the Procyon (procyon-r1) map on the Amsterdam Unlimited server was uber epic.4 hours
(i congratulate you on your failed use of a backward reference.)
yet again, this allows for more variation.
It's also refreshing when players have to play the lower classes for a while.
When I say the following:it appears that even you lost track of what you referred to. obviously, by the "this" word, you were referring to:yet again, this allows for more variation.
I'm referring to the following:It's also refreshing when players have to play the lower classes for a while.
The teams shufflebut the problem was that you separated "shuffling" and "this" with a sentence that describes the opposite of "shuffling". again, you said:
the game ending sooner has multiple consequences:that is, essentially, you said:
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The teams shuffle: Players aren't so likely to switch teams during a match and doubly so when they've invested in a team for many hours. yet again, this allows for more variation.
let's elaborate on what is true under circumstances XYZ.
statement W is true. the opposite of W is true under not-XYZ. this allows...
My previous point stands.mine too.
Dun wurry nox, devcntrllr is jus mad cuz he cant win gaem in <6hours. plsdunbemaddevcntrllr.congratulations, you have successfully mixed up my opinion with that of Nux.
Dun wurry nox, devcntrllr is jus mad cuz he cant win gaem in <6hours. plsdunbemaddevcntrllr.congratulations, you have successfully mixed up my opinion with that of Nux.
(you probably just meant 'reference' but incorrectly used a technical term instead)a backward reference is a reference that grammatically (sometimes semantically) refers to a term or subject that was previously introduced. by example:
It's okay, the remnants of the forum crowd are continuing thedailyweekly quota of conversations by engaging in more cyclic pedantry than the autistic lovechild of a Wikipedia flamewar and a nerd fight at a Star Trek convention.
I don't need you to invent a definition, even if you make a valiant attempt to construct it such that 'backward' isn't completely redundant when talking about referencing. I accused you of using a technical term where it is not generally used.but RAK even linked a Wikipedia page describing "backward reference" and "forward reference", and there is at least one grammar page (http://grammar.about.com/od/ab/g/anaphterm.htm) describing the meaning of those terms.
The only sources I can find that use such a phrase are within the context of programming or search engines and indicate a very specific mechanism to which you are patently not referring. The places you might find a usage such as yours must be quite rarethat is because there is a programming term "backward reference", but no programming term "anaphora". i'd say that the usage-shares of the anaphora and backward reference terms are roughly equal in linguistics, so had programmers chosen the word "anaphora" instead, you would have found "backward reference" more easily on the web.
Please don't try to teach me English. I expect I make more of an effort than you to use it correctly in the vast majority of cases.i doubt that, excluding the non-capitalization of sentences.
Yet sometimes I find it's better to be quick than exact, so forgive me if I assumed a degree of intelligence on the part of the reader.do you understand that if someone criticizes you by "you failed to used X correctly", then he/she understands what you meant, and knows what should have been used instead?
you're "it's raining" example is improper, as the "it" in the sentence would be understood from context. "it's raining (outside/here)" or, in a dialog -WRONG. in "it's raining.", it would be understood alone, without context. it does not refer to anything, it is merely a filler. however, in "this is bad.", this refers to something, but there is no textual context, so this is a dangling reference1.
"what is the weather like in dublin?"
"it's raining."
oh fuck; i forgot to respond to RAK.see above.you're "it's raining" example is improper, as the "it" in the sentence would be understood from context. "it's raining (outside/here)" or, in a dialog -WRONG. in "it's raining.", it would be understood alone, without context. it does not refer to anything, it is merely a filler. however, in "this is bad.", this refers to something, but there is no textual context, so this is a dangling reference1.
"what is the weather like in dublin?"
"it's raining."
1 just-coined linguistic term.
see above.WRONG. whether i am referring to the weather is arguable, but i am not referring to the weather via the it word.
the subject of the sentence is "it". what is "it"? in context, the adjective "raining" tells us you are referring to the weather. "the weather" is not included in the sentence, so this is an example of exophora or homophora. if we had context, we could then consider it to be either anaphoric or catphoric, depending on the arrangement of the context.
a fuller sentence is: "it's raining bullets."
normalWRONG.
catphoric reference(http://images.cryhavok.org/d/2644-2/LOLcat+-+Grammar+Nazi+Cat.jpg)
if it were "raining bullets" than the meaning would most definitely be clear by situational context. even so, "bullets" is so infrequently used in conjunction with "raining" that saying "it's raining" and meaning "bullets" would not be understood. it does not matter what it is you intended, the reference is still either exophoric.WRONG. a quick web search (https://duckduckgo.com/html/?q=it's%20raining) yielded the following page as the 4th hit: It's raining cats and, well, dogs! (https://secure.flickr.com/photos/kenvegar/9095789010/).
"it's raining bullets" - catphoric reference. bullets is it.WRONG. in "it's raining bullets", it refers to bullets, while in "it's raining.", it refers to the weather? you're illogical. also, the it word is singular, while the bullets word is plural.
"it suCKS to be you" - catphoric reference. it is "to be".WRONG. see above.
"it sucks when you are WRONG" - yet another catphoric. you could have at least tried a little variety. or followed your original example and instead just gave me "it sucks".
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you are arguing details that have no application to how correct i am at categorizing your reference.
I don't need you to invent a definition, even if you make a valiant attempt to construct it such that 'backward' isn't completely redundant when talking about referencing. I accused you of using a technical term where it is not generally used.but RAK even linked a Wikipedia page describing "backward reference" and "forward reference", and there is at least one grammar page (http://grammar.about.com/od/ab/g/anaphterm.htm) describing the meaning of those terms.
The only sources I can find that use such a phrase are within the context of programming or search engines and indicate a very specific mechanism to which you are patently not referring. The places you might find a usage such as yours must be quite rarethat is because there is a programming term "backward reference", but no programming term "anaphora". i'd say that the usage-shares of the anaphora and backward reference terms are roughly equal in linguistics, so had programmers chosen the word "anaphora" instead, you would have found "backward reference" more easily on the web.
Please don't try to teach me English. I expect I make more of an effort than you to use it correctly in the vast majority of cases.i doubt that, excluding the non-capitalization of sentences.
Yet sometimes I find it's better to be quick than exact, so forgive me if I assumed a degree of intelligence on the part of the reader.do you understand that if someone criticizes you by "you failed to used X correctly", then he/she understands what you meant, and knows what should have been used instead?
on a side-note, if you were an intelligent programmer, you'd understand why PHP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP) sux goatballs and why i avoid it: because the lack of a strong type system makes programmers (especially amateurs) shoot themselves in the foot utterly often (and it's a crappy hack around C). any time (if ever) i write a line of PHP, i fear that the code contains a supercardinal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huge_cardinal)ly infinite amout of security bugs that allow attackers to take over the whole server running the code.
In reply #37 you were indicating 'backward reference' had the established definition you provided (in response to my accusation to the contrary) and I maintain that where it is an established term, it does not have that meaning.explain your perceived differences between
the usage of the phrases (in linguistics) do not depend on the existence of programming terms. i said that your ability to find the linguistic terms via web search engines depends on the existence of conflicting, more-commonly-searched programming terms. again, the reason why you didn't find the linguistic backward reference term (so easily) is because the same, highly popular term in programming was in your way. had there been no such term in programming, the web search would have likely shown you to the linguistic term immediately.there is a programming term "backward reference", but no programming term "anaphora". i'd say that the usage-shares of the anaphora and backward reference terms are roughly equal in linguistics, so had programmers chosen the word "anaphora" instead, you would have found "backward reference" more easily on the web.
I have no idea what makes you think the usage of those phrases depend on each other in that way.
Why is it that you avoid capitalization, by the way?it is my preference/dream to change the language by throwing out old, unjustified conventions, if doing so would require at most neligible learning on the other people's side. i actually use capitalization sometimes, when there is a broad, professional audience that i am trying address, and a long-term record of the written things, with fair likeliness to be reread in the future. the audience here is tiny, and i am not really trying to address it (you might as well stop reading these forums). however, there is some public record of posts. this, coupled with my longstanding conventions, i simply use non-capitalized sentences, and that's basically it. however, i should really start using "u" for "you", and so on, because that's shorter, easier to read and input, and there is a ~668.51 audience here. i use "u" on IRC, a media mostly for one-time chatting.
i had to distinguish average/retarded programmers from intelligent ones -- saying "if you were a programmer" would have been WRONG. my assumption was actually that you were not a programmer (WRONG?).on a side-note, if you were an intelligent programmer, you'd understand why PHP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP) sux goatballs and why i avoid it: because the lack of a strong type system makes programmers (especially amateurs) shoot themselves in the foot utterly often (and it's a crappy hack around C). any time (if ever) i write a line of PHP, i fear that the code contains a supercardinal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huge_cardinal)ly infinite amout of security bugs that allow attackers to take over the whole server running the code.
You seem to be responding to something that I didn't say. You also seem to be implying I'm not an intelligent programmer with zero reason to come to such a conclusion. Otherwise, I'm happy to talk about how PHP sucks. I've not even attempted to use it since nearly everyone I've met has warned me against it.
you should really read your own search results, d/hc.ah, nice catch. that article fully explains my view.
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jlawler/aue/itsraining.html
your comprehension is WRONG.WRONG.
you failed to see that "bullets is it" means exactly the same as "it refers to bullets".WRONG.
you agree that "bullets" refers to "it"WRONG.
why bring up plurality?because that points out that "it refers to bullets" is nonsensical.
with the "it stinks" example, you are being obtuse. as i have repeatedly told you (and provided links to explain the concept of) if the subject of a reference is not contained in the text, the reference is exophoric. if the reference is exophoric, but the reference can be reasonably implied by context, it is homophoric.irrelevant. again, it is not a reference.
your willful ignorance in this situation, in the face of factsWRONG.
your delusionsWRONG.
You do realise that basi grab isn't ping-compensated. In other words, with my ping to everywhere but asia unofficials (dead) as long as a human is running straight, I cannot grab AND swipe at the same time. I have to either:It's like the booster is now alien's official healing station, unless someone's willing to afk as a basi.you dont have to "afk" to do good healing as a basi. i find it quite easy to balance out "remaining close in order to heal" with "kill humans and human structures". i find that even in "ninja basi" mode, where you are solo, it is easy to stop for a couple of seconds and top off the health of larger classes as you move around the level.
what, lag makes it so you can't be a hat?You do realise that basi grab isn't ping-compensated. In other words, with my ping to everywhere but asia unofficials (dead) as long as a human is running straight, I cannot grab AND swipe at the same time. I have to either:It's like the booster is now alien's official healing station, unless someone's willing to afk as a basi.you dont have to "afk" to do good healing as a basi. i find it quite easy to balance out "remaining close in order to heal" with "kill humans and human structures". i find that even in "ninja basi" mode, where you are solo, it is easy to stop for a couple of seconds and top off the health of larger classes as you move around the level.
a) Use basi "like a marauder"
b) Time my grabs ahead, and if I'm lucky, the human would walk into it. Most low-pingers find this really easy to dodge, just like 1.1 luci balls, except you could say the luci balls won't move. I also would have to stand still and wait for the human to be grabbed, and it isn't ninja-lisking like this. In fact by the time he gets grabbed from my POV i'd be dead on the server anyway. In other words, I have no use for basi apart from healing myself and allies. (Healing allies also requires me to "aim myself ahead" if they move)
In reply #37 you were indicating 'backward reference' had the established definition you provided (in response to my accusation to the contrary) and I maintain that where it is an established term, it does not have that meaning.explain your perceived differences
there is a programming term "backward reference", but no programming term "anaphora". i'd say that the usage-shares of the anaphora and backward reference terms are roughly equal in linguistics, so had programmers chosen the word "anaphora" instead, you would have found "backward reference" more easily on the web.
I have no idea what makes you think the usage of those phrases depend on each other in that way.
so had programmers chosen the word "anaphora" instead, you would have found "backward reference" more easily on the web.
so had programmers chosen the word "anaphora" instead
What a waste of time. Try talking to a wall; at least it wont think it is always right and everyone else is wrong.
No, it just means I have no use for it. It's extremely difficult to ambush someone and kill them successfully. I doubt you have any server over 300 ping, but if you do, play as basilisk on it, and you'll see.what, lag makes it so you can't be a hat?You do realise that basi grab isn't ping-compensated. In other words, with my ping to everywhere but asia unofficials (dead) as long as a human is running straight, I cannot grab AND swipe at the same time. I have to either:It's like the booster is now alien's official healing station, unless someone's willing to afk as a basi.you dont have to "afk" to do good healing as a basi. i find it quite easy to balance out "remaining close in order to heal" with "kill humans and human structures". i find that even in "ninja basi" mode, where you are solo, it is easy to stop for a couple of seconds and top off the health of larger classes as you move around the level.
a) Use basi "like a marauder"
b) Time my grabs ahead, and if I'm lucky, the human would walk into it. Most low-pingers find this really easy to dodge, just like 1.1 luci balls, except you could say the luci balls won't move. I also would have to stand still and wait for the human to be grabbed, and it isn't ninja-lisking like this. In fact by the time he gets grabbed from my POV i'd be dead on the server anyway. In other words, I have no use for basi apart from healing myself and allies. (Healing allies also requires me to "aim myself ahead" if they move)
No, it just means I have no use for it. It's extremely difficult to ambush someone and kill them successfully. I doubt you have any server over 300 ping, but if you do, play as basilisk on it, and you'll see.i ping to EU1 ~200-250, with spikes up to 300 common. i fund it harder to dodge, but my own movement seem neither easier or harder.... just different. have to play like someone is in front of themselves by about a third of a second. i find the grab range is quite helpful. i dont have to hit them to stop them, and if i stop them, i can hit them at my leisure.
GPP balance says "long grab ranges will benifit you..." Heck, only if you're a person with under 150 ping. Over that and 1.1 basi is the way to go, we don't give a crap if the basi makes sounds when it walks.
If I try for kills, often I only block. I often end up getting tk'd or punted around by those pounce spammers in gpp. One thing I hate about gpp is that a lot of players don't even use left click as a dragoon, like merry christmas.those are the best goons to work with, just keep the human between you.
being a self defending forward base.i.e. porta-booster
i have fun with it.being a self defending forward base.i.e. porta-booster
Honestly, all GPP did to the standard basilisk to my gameplay was made me use it less. The gas' slowlock effect is overpowered when used correctly, and does indeed make grabbing a whole lot easier. I mean, I can take down flame suits if it's BillyRaz0r-Chan
i have fun with it.What do we do with those bastard goons that steal kills then?
fuck some flame suits, though. cheapass bastards. that's a good way to get me to rant up when i'm being a friendly basi. that and massdrivers.
mara is definitely easier in high latency, i find myself making hits that really look like misses to me.
in rare cases, even the "flesh was cut!" sound plays but no damage is dealtThat shouldn't happen. The EV_whatever (event that makes the "flesh was cut" sound) is sent from the server, and unless the server's bugged it shouldn't happen. It's like getting a dretch to bite a teammate, which won't happen afaik because of the conditions that must be confirmed for the autobite to activate through.
in rare cases, even the "flesh was cut!" sound plays but no damage is dealtWRONG.
And it's quite stressing when this happens more than once in a battle.it is, because it shouldn't happen at all.
fuck this shit; i put off saying "WRONG" up to the point where now, someone else has provided explanations. oh well, regardless...Although I did kinda explained it horribly, you should take the effort to explain why it is wrong.in rare cases, even the "flesh was cut!" sound plays but no damage is dealtWRONG.And it's quite stressing when this happens more than once in a battle.it is, because it shouldn't happen at all.
Although I did kinda explained it horribly, you should take the effort to explain why it is wrong.the explanation was good -- the server tells when a hit occurs, ie., the client does not try to predict hit events. various additional points can be added: