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Mods => Mod Releases => Non-Gameplay Changing => Topic started by: SamOz on November 24, 2013, 07:17:22 pm
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This is a very big, and very flashy mod.
IMPORTANT: You definitely will need TremFusion or one it's compatible newer offshoot clients (such as the CORX client). The mod has GUI issues with old vanilla Tremulous 1.1
This mod has a long history of development, but I've been too busy in the past few months to put much work into it. So, I thought, whatever, put it up as is. Others can have fun with it. Originally begun as a project for the SenGoku server, it was intended to be used with KoRx at that time (about 2011). I've worked on it further, dropped the KoRx stuff from the mod, mostly. My son and I started working on another project idea. That's what name refers to. If you want to see the appearance at it's best, try it with the Korx Client ( http://code.google.com/p/korx-client/ ), even with TremFusion ( http://dl.tremfusion.net/files/0.99/r3/ ) it should look quite flashy. I personally use the Korx Client, my son uses the TremFusion client.
All model textures replaced, most of the sounds as well. Lots of high definition textures, new sounds, etc... Attribution goes to OnlyTheGhosts for most of the new Alien sounds, most of the new Human sounds. There's bits from the mods created by Silv3rLight, Superpie, wolfbr. I applaud their efforts while continuing to advance the 'look' further still.
You can get the download here; (UPDATED 5th December 2013)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6efw4t0a0e9ebj8/zzz-mimod323-ngp.pk3
It's BIG! 334.77mb (but slightly smaller than the earlier versions)
A lighter, stripped-down, minimalistic version of about half the size in an ultra-compressed 7z archive (166.07mb)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r74xvuuw8zxlqqn/mini-mimod.7z
With either .arc archive file, you'll have to unpack them first to get the pk3 to put into your Tremulous Base folder.
Put into your Base folder and enjoy.
Important - if you have difficulties with Dropbox download in Firefox, try using the lighter Midori browser instead. It works. It's also free.
Haven't the time to put all the attributions in there. I would like to thank the following people on Tremulous.net for their ideas, concepts, and cite the following sources (in no particular order);
wolfbr
Superpie
Silv3rLight
GeneralScott
Lakitu7
Amanieu
rotacak
Odin
Volt
octicz
Aaron5367
Ikusari
TheDushan
KingNicko
ViruS
Lt. Voss
Metroidude
Fox_One
I tried to put in the best textures, higher quality skins, sounds, and so on. Some of it's like a 'Best Of' from other mods, other stuff I had to create instead. I wish that there was more time to finish everything that was planned, but that's life. Maybe in a few months time, I'll release an updated version with a lot more done. Or it could be another year away...
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good job
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This is a very big, and very flashy mod.
This mod has a long history of development, but I've been too busy in the past few months to put much work into it. So, I thought, whatever, put it up as is. Others can have fun with it. There are lot of excess and unnecessary files (maybe half), but others may use these extras in their own mods or maps. Lots of extra high definition textures, sounds, etc... Originally begun as a project for the SenGoku server, it was intended to be used with KoRx at that time (about 2011). I've worked on it further, dropped the KoRx stuff from the mod, mostly. My son and I started working on another server idea, called Mirai Ikusa. That's where the name comes from (Mirai Ikusa mod - or MImod). If you want to see the appearance at it's best, try it with the Korx Client, even with TremFusion it should look quite flashy. I personally use the Korx Client, my son uses the TremFusion client.
All model textures replaced, most of the sounds as well. The sounds that I created are under the name of OnlyTheGhosts for credit. That's most of the new Alien sounds, most of the Human sounds. There's bits from the mods created by Silv3rLight, Superpie, wolfbr. I applaud their efforts while continuing to advance the 'look' further still.
You can get the download here;
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pm5t06uozzbrfdt/zzz-mimod320-ngp.pk3
It's BIG! 793.6mb
remember, he is a member of the volt–dushbag–hermxiv–samoz squad, which is known for douchebaggery, faggotry, and most of all, copyright infringement of open source content. for instance, it is evident that much of the packaged textures/sounds are cheap modifications of existing Creative-Commons-licensed content, but the package contains no copyright information, which is an infringement, and is the general scheme of volt's squad. (the package also has numerous irrelevant files packaged.)
i request that the link be taken down immediately.
for reference, SHA1(zzz-mimod320-ngp.pk3) = e8ea2ba58fa668d51b72880d4f99f07ee25f9f64.
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This is a very big, and very flashy mod... (cut for ease of reading)
remember, he is a member of the .... (cut the nonsensical bits and lies and other bullshit)
Oh do grow up, mate. ::) You're behaving like you don't enjoy life unless you're being nasty to someone else for nastiness' sake alone. A TROLL, basically.
Also a stupidly lying "Guilt-by-Association" attempt doesn't convince anyone. Knowing a hooker doesn't automatically turn you into a hooker, it just means you get to have fun with the hooker.
This is NOT Unvanquished (a different game) nor is it TremZ (another game). You should leave your peculiar hatreds and ridiculous lying propaganda for your other game project elsewhere.
They have NOTHING to do with this mod nor do they have anything to do with the game of Tremulous (which this mod was made for).
It took bloody ages to make those textures and sounds which I created, and I gave attribution already for the source of those which I did not do, they're neither 'cheap' or simply ripped off. I put hundreds of hours of work into this, but you'll have to take it or leave it for the present. I modified content certainly, that's why it's called a Mod. Every mod on this site has built upon the work of other mods before it. However, the majority of what's in this mod is the result of my hard work, not others. That's nearly every Alien sound, Human sound, all of their skins, many of the other rougher-looking textures used in the maps, and a helluva a lot of finicky re-writing of scripts to get the 'look' that I and my son desired. Attributions are written everywhere in the scripts as required by common decency. The metadata contains the name and source of the sounds. You can use the Alien sounds and Human sounds elsewhere, for other mods if you like. All of those which were made under the name OnlyTheGhosts, are mine. I made those. I give permission to use them in Unvanquished, or anywhere else, whatever. Doesn't bother me, as long as you give attribution.
There's no more copyright text in this mod than there is in most of the mods on this site, so it's not exceptional there. There are copyright texts are in the game-playing changing version of the mod, not in this non-game play changing version. Since I'm not likely to work on this mod any further for awhile, you'll have to accept this version as is. If I find the time available, MAYBE then I will include that. IF people are actually interested in using the mod.
Apparently you just don't want anyone else to enjoy Tremulous any more either.
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good job
You're welcome. I think many people will have fun with this mod.
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This is NOT Unvanquished (a different game) nor is it TremZ (another game). You should leave your peculiar hatreds and ridiculous lying propaganda for your other game project elsewhere.
They have NOTHING to do with this mod nor do they have anything to do with the game of Tremulous (which this mod was made for).
irrelevant. i'm talking about you, your ways, and your package, not the games.
It took bloody ages to make those textures and sounds which I created
somehow i doubt that.
I put hundreds of hours of work into this
which is irrelevant if "work" in this case is mixing up other people's work to the point that it becomes untracable.
the majority of what's in this mod is the result of my hard work, not others. That's nearly every Alien sound, Human sound, all of their skins, many of the other rougher-looking textures used in the maps, and [...]
you're lying, motherfucker.
Attributions are written everywhere in the scripts as required by common decency.
none are written (as shown by text searches for 'copy', 'attrib' and 'credit') (except for the old Tremulous 1.1.0 after-quit menu). is that decent?
The metadata contains the name and source of the sounds.
we'll see about that, but regardless, metadata is insufficient anyway.
You can use the Alien sounds and Human sounds elsewhere, for other mods if you like.
but the content is not yours, for fuck's sake.
There's no more copyright text in this mod than there is in most of the mods on this site, so it's not exceptional there.
irrelevant. you and this package brought my attention.
There are copyright texts are in the game-playing changing version of the mod, not in this non-game play changing version.
so now you're admitting your neglegence, that is, that you did not include any copyright statements where you should've?
you just don't want anyone else to enjoy Tremulous any more either.
WRONG.
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Amazing, DevHC, you really are just a troll. I don't care about your 'doubts' and your lies about me don't give you any credit either, except perhaps in your own mind. There have been 320 versions of this mod, it really did take hundreds of hours of work to create it, and most of the stuff in it really has been created by me. Your rampant envy of my creativity doesn't take a damn thing away from that. I suppose I could revoke permission to use my sounds then, you lot in Unvan could go make your own anyway, but I'm not like you. I'm a nice person. :D Be thankful and go ahead, use them.
The following previous mods don't have those documents of attribution either;
lovely.pk3
skinsilver.pk3
zzz-superpie-xhairs-1.1.pk3
Actually, MOST of the mods on this site don't have any attribution texts.
The mods by wolfbr and Superpie have minimal text - hardly a damn thing in them about attribution and copyright. Superpie mentions shinytrem, and that's about it. Perhaps all of them should be removed too, since that's your issue, right? Nobody knows where their sounds come from.
But fine, I put up a full attribution and copyright in the NEXT VERSION of the MImod package since you asked..... (EDIT: this has since been done)
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Amazing, DevHC, you really are just a troll. I don't care about your 'doubts' and your lies about me don't give you any credit either, except perhaps in your own mind. There have been 320 versions of this mod, it really did take hundreds of hours of work to create it, and most of the stuff in it really has been created by me. Your rampant envy of my creativity doesn't take a damn thing away from that. I suppose I could revoke permission to use my sounds then, you lot in Unvan could go make your own anyway, but I'm not like you. I'm a nice person. :D Be thankful and go ahead, use them.
The following previous mods don't have those documents of attribution either;
lovely.pk3
skinsilver.pk3
zzz-superpie-xhairs-1.1.pk3
Actually, MOST of the mods on this site don't have any attribution texts.
The mods by wolfbr and Superpie have minimal text - hardly a damn thing in them about attribution and copyright. Superpie mentions shinytrem, and that's about it. Perhaps all of them should be removed too, since that's your issue, right? Nobody knows where their sounds come from.
But fine, I put up a full attribution and copyright in the NEXT VERSION of the MImod package since you asked.....
mods that only use stock textures, models, and sounds do not require more attribution than what comes with the game.... basically you've got a map and/or some scripts. perhaps a small change to the main code somewhere. the author of such modifications is free to release with whatever license they wish.
on the other hand, if you modify stock textures, you must release with your mod, proper attribution to the original artist. trem's sounds are bad on licensing, you dont want to use them. else, you are currently as infringing as tremulous is (unless wassisname had licenses for the soundpack they came from. we'll likely never know, so it is safer to assume they were not).
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Hardly anyone here who has released any kind of mod has also released full attribution and copyright documents with their mods. Possibly, like me, they intended to, but never got around to finishing the mod that they were working on. I don't have the free time available to further develop this one, but rather than waste it, I figure, what the hell, just put it out there and someone else can have their fun.
As long as they don't have a stick up their proverbial like Dev-HC apparently does, they should be able to enjoy the game with this mod like my son and I do.
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I have no idea if the stuff in this mod was plagiarized or not, and I don't care enough to find out, but how about everybody try to act a little more mature. If stuff was taken without attribution, that should be remedied, but to be honest I doubt more than like 5 people will actively use this (no offense) so I don't really think this is something to freak out about. And please, avoid any use of ad hominem, or personal attacks, and I would also prefer avoidance of saying stuff like people are full of faggotry. Let's all try to be more sensible, and that means arguing through facts, not attacks. (or even avoiding getting in Internet fights on a forum!!)
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Well, in any case, I'll put up another version of the mod with those documents in them when I can. The next version will have the junky extra files stripped, to reduce the size a bit (should cut it down about 1/3rd). When I do put up the next version, I'll just edit the first post's link to the package and mention the update. Before then, others may want to download this one just for those extra files; there's more sounds, textures, models, but not actively used in the mod. They were there for development later on, which I never got around to doing.
True, not a lot of people will use the mod, but then, there aren't many people still playing Tremulous and even less visiting this board these days. Cest la vie. Better a mod being available for others to try, as far as I'm concerned. The 'work' will show for those who actually play the game with it, let them decide how good the mod is - for themselves. It's not going to be to everyone's taste, but that's just how life is too. I made it chiefly for my son and I, if others benefit as well, that's great. If some don't like it, well, nobody is pointing a gun at their face forcing them to use the mod... The mod is for FUN, when all is said and done. Period.
A few people will recall my mention of the development of this mod during the past couple of years. Although under different names as I tested it. Those names are Batsumaru, SteelMax, Pssthpok, OnlyTheGhosts, and SamuraiTaiga.
EDIT: Okay, I've uploaded version321 with the docs folder added. Also removed the junky extra files to cut down the size a bit. Took awhile, sorry. I probably won't have the free time to work more on this mod today, too damn busy.
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Amazing, DevHC, you really are just a troll.
WRONG.
my creativity
the what?
you lot in Unvan
i am not, and will no longer be (again), part of that piece-of-shit project.
I'm not like you.
you sure got that right.
I'm a nice person.
WRONG.
The following previous mods don't have those documents of attribution either;
lovely.pk3
skinsilver.pk3
zzz-superpie-xhairs-1.1.pk3
good point, it's time to bash those packages as well.
Nobody knows where their sounds come from.
that's one thing (when the properness of attribution remains questionable, but still plausible). another thing is when one knows that their sounds are ripoffs of CC-licensed content (when the given attribution is definitely improper).
I don't have the free time available to further develop this one, but rather than waste it, I figure, what the hell, just put it out there and someone else can have their fun.
unfortunately, that is not a good reason to neglect copyright, at least of CC-licensed content (i personally don't care if you warez all of Adobe's shit).
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Dev-HC is still trolling and bullshitting again, I see. ::)
Go elsewhere Dev-HC, you clearly have some 'issues'. Lying about me, or lying about what's in the mod doesn't help your credibility at all. Your habitual obsession with abusing others in the rudest manner possible is childish.
By the way, thanks for bumping the thread. You're helping keep it right up where people can see it and find the mod. By posting repeatedly, you're HELPING to advertise. Rather like those silly pedantics who criticise a new film because they hate the producer or one of the actors, instead of detracting from the film, the trolling fool's ridiculously nonsensical abuse leads to more people seeing the film. Great, keep it up. :D :D :D
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Still trolling and bullshitting again, I see.
still WRONG, i see.
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It occurs to me that Dev-HC seems to believe that I'm some kind of supragenius who created the entire mod in ten minutes flat. Thanks for the compliment, mate, but unfortunately, no, it took a massive effort to create this mod, and loads of hard work. Hundreds of hours (at least!).
I wish that it was so easy to do as you try to imply, but sadly, no. What's with all the Ad Hominem crapola anyway? Get a life.
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True, not a lot of people will use the mod, but then, there aren't many people still playing Tremulous and even less visiting this board these days.
Right that's what I meant, regardless of its quality not many people will play tremulous with this mod because not many people play tremulous at all.
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True, not a lot of people will use the mod, but then, there aren't many people still playing Tremulous and even less visiting this board these days.
Right that's what I meant, regardless of its quality not many people will play tremulous with this mod because not many people play tremulous at all.
It's also a very big download for those with slower connections or lower limits of downloading per month. ViruS commented about that on the KoR forums. I've updated and edited the first post with a link to an .ARC compressed archive containing the mod, but it's only slightly smaller (356.08mb)
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This forum needs a /d/hc-rakninja filter. :police:
You may want to note that 356 mB is still quite huge.
edit: Isn't tremulous vanilla download 90mb?
edit2: Oh wait, SamOz said the first point already. Damn.
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This forum needs a /d/hc-rakninja filter. :police:
You may want to note that 356 mB is still quite huge.
edit: Isn't tremulous vanilla download 90mb?
edit2: Oh wait, SamOz said the first point already. Damn.
Damnit, I spilt me beer!
Yes, to all.
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It occurs to me that Dev-HC seems to believe that I'm some kind of supragenius who created the entire mod in ten minutes flat.
WRONG. samoz seems to need to learn to read:
I put hundreds of hours of work into this
which is irrelevant if "work" in this case is mixing up other people's work to the point that it becomes untracable.
but to make things absolutely clear:
it took a massive effort to create this mod, and loads of hard work. Hundreds of hours (at least!).
- if you spend 100s of hours creating new content from scratch (with tools aspired to permit the creation of license-unencumbered content, tools such as a microphone, a sample-free sound effect generator software, etc.), then you own the content you create.
- if you spend 100s of hours remixing the CC-licensed content of others, then you do not exclusively own the content you create: such content will be encumbered by the CC license.
so easy to do as you try to imply
quite the opposite. in general, you will not
- spend a lot of time (doing something), and,
- as a result, acquire rights (to some things you desire).
because i won't make it easy for you to do so.
concretely, you will not
- apply GIMP/Photoshop filters and various brushes over the original texture set, apply pitch modifiers and cutting/sequencing over various existing sounds, and
- as a result, have the privilige of calling the resulting textures and sounds yours.
What's with all the Ad Hominem crapola anyway? Get a life.
what's will all your display of fucktarding? get a humane conscience.
for reference, SHA1 (zzz-mimod321-ngp.pk3) = a886cb07f7c18e57e99c6f55446a2a637cae981e.
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Dev-HC, it's clear that your sole reason for posting on this thread is harassment. You've insulted and engaged in Ad Hominem as if it's an obsession.
You've misrepresented, distorted, and lied repeatedly about me, and lied about the contents of the mod.
If we go by your main argument; that effort and time put into a creation are worthless, regardless of the amount of effort, regardless of the amount of work done, regardless of the amount of changes made to prior material, then there is not a single piece of art or writing or music or engineering on the entire planet that can be ascribed to it's creators. This only technically 'true' according to the insane troll logic of your argument, but not according to the consensus of opinion of the majority of everyone else. Musicians these days create most of their music using someone else's manufactured instruments, someone else's sound samples, and it's STILL THEIR MUSIC! They don't need to make their own instruments to be a musician. They don't need to do all the sampling to make music out of those samples, and claim credit for that music. I haven't claimed credit for anything that I didn't do. The metadata for all the sounds that I created includes attribution to the source of whatever samples were used in creating them; that's been there from the very start. So, you're simply LYING about what I've made or not made, or trying to imply dishonesty where there is none - while your dishonesty is becoming blatant because you're trying to misrepresent what's in the mod. I actually did create a lot of what is in that mod, you can lie all you like and delude yourself otherwise, but you're full of BS and you know it.
You're a TROLL, and nothing more, with no valid points raised, only a pretense and the use of merely 'technical' and 'questionable' excuses for harassment. Very thin 'excuses' at that. ::)
What do you think is the point of making this mod? For money? It's freely available to everyone. It was made for FUN, that's it. I uploaded and put the link here so others - obviously not you - can HAVE FUN WITH IT.
Like I said before, get a life, Dev-HC.
Oh, and thanks again for bumping the thread up so more people can see it and have fun with the mod. Keep it up, wonderful stuff.
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Dev-HC, it's clear that your sole reason for posting on this thread is harassment. You've insulted and engaged in Ad Hominem as if it's an obsession.
yes. and the reason for the harassment is you, your ways, and your package.
You've misrepresented, distorted, and lied repeatedly about me, and lied about the contents of the mod.
i've made a factual key statement: that you have misrepresented, distorted and lied about the ownership and licensing of the content in the package.
If we go by your main argument; that effort and time put into a creation are worthless, regardless of the amount of effort, regardless of the amount of work done, regardless of the amount of changes made to prior material
learn to comprehend: never did i state that effort and time is worthless. someone will surely enjoy new textures and sounds. my argument is that time and effort put into a creation, in general, does not influence whether the creation is derivative work, and thus whether it is automatically covered by the CC license. the amount of originality borrowed from existing content is what influences whether the creation is derivative work.
if you started with an existing, copyrighted piece of content; if you kept editing it, to the point that it now resembles nothing of the original; and if, furthermore, a creation of similar spirit, quality and value could be reasonably expected to be an outcome of work from scratch or non-copyrighted content; then the resulting content can be called original, regardless of the amount of effort required. for example, if you started with the original battlesuit texture, applied a significant blurr effect (thus getting mostly a smudge of the original texture, with practically only the "average tone" borrowed), and continued from there, then that can be called original content, and you can license it in any way you like, regardless of whether you used GIMP's blurr filter or spent 100s of hours manually smudging each pixel.
if, on the other hand, a significant part of spirit, quality of value is left in the modified work, then the creation is subject to (partial) copyright of the original author, regardless of the amount of effort required. for example, if you applied GIMP's "colorize" filter to change the original texture of the battlesuit to be rather orange, and then overwrote half of the regions with something new, then the resulting, modified texture is to be released only under the CC.
prima facie, the latter case and example applies to you and your package.
you can lie all you like and delude yourself otherwise
you can try to make others believe that you're worthy of an exclusive author title.
you're full of BS and you know it.
you and your mom.
You're a TROLL and nothing more
WRONG. you're the troll. a butthurt faggot without any respect for open-source work.
with no valid points raised
WRONG. your level of comprehension of proper reasoning is well below sufficient.
What do you think is the point of making this mod? For money? It's freely available to everyone. It was made for FUN, that's it. I uploaded and put the link here so others - obviously not you - can HAVE FUN WITH IT.
yes, but unfortunately, inside the package, you're presenting almost all of the work as if it were your own -- as perceived by the casual package inspector --, thus committing plagiarism. assuming that you've spent 100s of hours on the package already, it should be no problem for you to spend a couple of additional hours writing copyright statements and including license terms in the slightly-updated package.
Like I said before, get a life, Dev-HC.
like i said before, go get a human conscience.
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Thanks again for keeping the mod up where people can see it, Dev-HC. There are so few players in the Tremulous community these days, you're really helping to ensure that those few diehards who keep playing are seeing this mod. You're doing me wondrous favours and making me very happy :D
Apart from that, you're responding with the usual lies, misrepresentation, and Ad Hominem crapola as before. In your previous post, you just lied again about what's in the mod. Hell, you even lie about what I've stated previously; I never said that I made "almost all", at all, nor have I tried in any way to claim credit for things that I didn't do, so you're spouting BS again as usual. I don't quote you because you're just using BS and lies most of the time anyway. I never claimed 'exclusive' author title to anything except that I made the mod, and those things which I've created in the mod. Bad luck, Dev-HC, I really did make quite a lot of what's in that mod, and you're just spouting BS to pretend otherwise. It's obvious that the ONLY REASON that you are posting on this thread is personal harassment, and people who engage in that all the time have mental problems. Go away and deal with them, go see a psychiatrist or similar.
You're also again trying to apply wacky weird Troll Logic in your personal interpretation of the act of creating something - a personal interpretation that the majority of the world doesn't agree with. Everything is created from something else. If I build a house, it doesn't make it someone else's house just because I didn't make each brick by hand. If I make music from samples it doesn't make it someone else's music. The music is my creation. In the sound files, attribution is given in the metadata showing exactly where those samples came from. If it says OnlyTheGhosts, and that's it - well, bad luck, Dev-HC, I really did make that alone with sampling done only by me. Many of the sound files are like that. Others have the sources IN THE METADATA, and you're full of BS (yet again) trying to claim that's unimportant. Bit difficult to put attribution in the metadata of the textures, unfortunately, but I already gave attribution anyway elsewhere.
You seem to be trying desperately to either A) find something wrong just as an 'excuse' for harassment, or B) make shit up and imply accusatory stuff that you can't back worth a damn.
Man, you're just a hopeless case. Honestly, get a life, Dev-HC. I made the mod for FUN, period. Deal with it, mate, that's how life really is. Others will enjoy it, even if you'd rather rain on the parade all the time and be miserable.
If everyone lived with the attitude that you shout to the world, nobody would bother making ANY MODS (or even art or music) at all. You remind me very much of a particularly silly Youtube video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EZQvSCGaJI
You're nuts. Period.
But yeah, keep bumping the thread. Keep it right up there near the top. I'm sure most folks will simply skip past the usual abusive nonsense and distortions that you write anyway.
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according to the insane troll logic of your argument, but
insane troll logic
insane
insane
insane
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/42962918/Images/linkedto/insane.gif)
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Thanks for bumping my thread, Kynes :D
Insanity is great, I take that as a compliment. It's the source of much creativity and enjoyment, keeping one happy in an insane world like ours.
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Bumping your thread over what? An inactive subforum at the very bottom of the list of a mostly inactive forum?
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Bumping your thread over what? An inactive subforum at the very bottom of the list of a mostly inactive forum?
Yes, it's exactly what it needs. The NGP subforum has NEVER been particularly active anyway; that's the nature of this subforum set-up for the purpose of advertising such mods that people want to post about.
People do still play Tremulous, a few servers remain very busy. Just now, I came back from a game on AA that had loads of players, and I was on W last night in a good busy game. The game is definitely not dead yet, so for those stubbornly continuing to play, having a new mod available could be a nice thing to see. The original devs may have pretty much given up on the game or abandoned it, but others continue to enhance the game to their heart's content...
Although the forums for those other servers and their communities are far, far, far more active than this one, for anyone who is searching for another mod to try, these old tremulous.net forums are the obvious first place to look.
If Dev-HC wants to keep bumping the thread, that's great.
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Apart from that, you're responding with the usual lies, misrepresentation, and Ad Hominem crapola as before. In your previous post, you just lied again about what's in the mod. Hell, you even lie about what I've stated previously;
WRONG. and you're just unable to point to a quote.
I never said that I made "almost all", at all, nor have I tried in any way to claim credit for things that I didn't do
WRONG. you never directly said that, but initially, to the casual package inspector, you tried to make it seem to be the actual case. period.
I don't quote you because you're just using BS and lies most of the time anyway.
no, you don't quote me because quoting me would allow casual readers to identify the bullshit-facts of your statements (without direct references, the "tl;dr" ("too legalish; didn't research") d00d would just get the non-benefit of the doubt).
I never claimed 'exclusive' author title to anything except that I made the mod, and those things which I've created in the mod. Bad luck, Dev-HC, I really did make quite a lot of what's in that mod
dumbass. the debate is centered around the proposition that you're trying to sell a faggy interpretation of what it means for you to have created something. for example, what sort of copyright/ownership, do you think, encumbers the orange-ish battlesuit texture, and do you recognize any undercrediting with respect to the CC?
you're just spouting BS to pretend otherwise.
your mom.
It's obvious that the ONLY REASON that you are posting on this thread is personal harassment, and people who engage in that all the time have mental problems. Go away and deal with them, go see a psychiatrist or similar.
WRONG. you're just butthurt because i've shattered your fantasy of having people credit only you for various contents in the package.
your personal interpretation of the act of creating something - a personal interpretation that the majority of the world doesn't agree with.
you just pulled that unfounded statement out of your ass.
If I build a house, it doesn't make it someone else's house just because I didn't make each brick by hand.
correct. the value of the whole house has to be fairly (not necessarily evenly) split between you and the brick-owner (however, if you used the bricks without the permission of the owner, then the owner will be eligible to seek other remedies, such as civil penalty). be advised: this is not copyright.
If I make music from samples it doesn't make it someone else's music.
correct.
The music is my creation.
WRONG. the music is your partial creation to a fair extent. if the owner of the sample gives you a free copy ("you may use the sample for any purposes"), then that sample is then, by definition, a tool aspired to permit the creation of unencumbered content, and thus, the music you create from that sample is yours, as is the sample; if, on the other hand, the sample is covered by the CC license requiring credits, then you will have to give proper crediting, unless the modification is such that the outcome hardly depends on the qualities of the sample.
In the sound files, attribution is given in the metadata showing exactly where those samples came from.
which is practically insufficient in case of CC licenses (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/legalcode).
you're full of BS (yet again)
your mom.
Bit difficult to put attribution in the metadata of the textures
noone is pushing you to do that.
You seem to be trying desperately to either A) find something wrong just as an 'excuse' for harassment, or B) make shit up and imply accusatory stuff that you can't back worth a damn.
WRONG.
If everyone lived with the attitude that you shout to the world, nobody would bother making ANY MODS (or even art or music) at all.
WRONG. look around you, you fucktard.
You're nuts. Period.
you've lost the debate. period.
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(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/bmk588/halloween.jpg)(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/bmk588/halloween.jpg)
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/bmk588/halloween.jpg)(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/bmk588/halloween.jpg)
PERIOD
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*snip* What's with all the Ad Hominem crapola anyway? *snip*
please stop using the underlined term, you do not seem to know what it means.
An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.
just because someone said something to you that was not nice and was argumentative does not make that statement ad hominim.
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*snip* What's with all the Ad Hominem crapola anyway? *snip*
please stop using the underlined term, you do not seem to know what it means.
Actually, I very much DO know what it means. If someone is engaging in personal attacks, it IS Ad Hominem abuse. Calling someone 'motherfucker', fucktard, and 'faggot' is Ad Hominem abuse. Dev-HC has proven to be incapable of doing otherwise, and has engaged in Ad Hominem abuse throughout the entire thread.
By doing so, Dev-HC destroys any shred of credibility that might remain in those posts, and ensures that the majority of readers will simply skip past his posts because those posts are obviously nothing more than personal harassment. Any use of "technical" arguments that are used in thinly veiled excuse for furthering this personal harassment are discredited by the use of the Ad Hominem abuse. Apparently, Dev-HC also believes that outright lying and intentionally misleading others about what's actually in the mod is going to help counter this loss of credibility, but it doesn't work. Most of the visitors to these forums seeking information about the game of Tremulous are not going to bother reading posts filled with Ad Hominem abuse or which are just personal harassment. There's an old saying, "The mud sticks to those who throw it". Dev-HC throws a lot of "mud".
Dev-HC, your "personal" interpretation of what makes music is not shared by the music industry or the legal community. Using pieces of sound and turning them into a musical creation does not mean that the creator of the music is any less a musician, nor does it make the music any less accepted as the creation of that musician.
You don't help your argument by blatantly lying repeatedly about what I've said before, and your sad attempts at twisting words to claim that I said something that I definitely DID NOT SAY destroys your own arguments. You're not honest enough to stick to the facts, so you LIE about those facts. Just like you LIED yet again when you tried to say that I said "almost all" or claimed authorship of "almost all" when I definitely DID NOT SAY IT. And thanks again for bumping the thread. You're doing great. ;D
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Calling someone 'motherfucker', fucktard, and 'faggot' is Ad Hominem abuse.
The term you're looking for is called name-calling, or just insulting someone. You might find Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem) helpful in this matter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name-calling).
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You should learn to ignore dhc and rak. When they don't attack each other, they attack other bystanders.
Those poor souls... they are dying to get the last word
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Calling someone 'motherfucker', fucktard, and 'faggot' is Ad Hominem abuse.
The term you're looking for is called name-calling, or just insulting someone. You might find Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem) helpful in this matter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name-calling).
Ad Hominem is still Ad Hominem. Dev-HC's first post on this thread is nothing more than personal attack.
LOL - wikipedia ::)
http://patterico.com/2012/05/27/brett-kimberlin-gets-his-wikipedia-entry-removed/
Wikipedia is one of those sites that are presented as a good, credible, trustworthy, reliable, fact-checked resource of information but is nothing of the sort.
You should learn to ignore dhc and rak. When they don't attack each other, they attack other bystanders.
Those poor souls... they are dying to get the last word
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Thanks for the laugh, vcxzet
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Maybe you'd prefer Merriam-Webster, then.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/name+calling
When children insult each other on the playground, are they using ad hominem attacks on each other? No, they are engaging in name-calling. Don't use a ten dollar word to do a two cent word's job, especially if you're using it wrong.
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Maybe you'd prefer Merriam-Webster, then.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/name+calling
When children insult each other on the playground, are they using ad hominem attacks on each other? No, they are engaging in name-calling. Don't use a ten dollar word to do a two cent word's job, especially if you're using it wrong.
I prefer experts on Logical Fallacies and use of the OED actually, but Ad Hominem is Latin. Literally "to a man," from ad "to" (see ad-) + hominem, accusative of homo "man". When kids are insulting each other it's still Ad Hominem. The kids may call it name-calling, but that doesn't change that it's Ad Hominem, as in against the person. I'm using it correctly, and studied Latin in school, back in those old days when it was considered 'important'.
Merriam-Webster can't even get simple definitions like "FACT" correct.
Latin words don't cost any more than English words. Ad Hominem is shorter than 'name-calling' (less letters to type) and covers the entire swathe of personal harassment and abuse that Dev-HC has been engaging in.
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Cool.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/ad-hominem
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/name-calling
You're still using it wrong. Here are a couple of examples.
First, an ad hominem attack:
"We shouldn't trust Sally to be around children, because she had an abortion once."
Now for an insult:
"Megan is a whore."
The difference is in the attempt to present it as a logical argument by attempting to substantiate the accusations with unrelated personal qualities. Children on a playground are not using arguments attached to their insults, they're just insulting each other.
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No, I'm using it correctly.
It's a LATIN term.
Insulting someone is still against the person, which is still Ad Hominem.
Why type a childish term that requires more letters such as "name-calling" when it's easier to type fewer letters in Ad Hominem, and covers the entire definition of what's being done? Dev-HC has engaged in Ad Hominem. Dev-HC's very first post and every post by Dev-HC has been filled with Ad Hominem. Apparently, Dev-HC also believes that just the right combination technical bullshit in strangely twisted interpretations mixed with other logical fallacies, some lying about others have said, or trying to redefine the 'meaning' of what others have said, will 'win' a debate.
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Cool.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/ad-hominem
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/name-calling
You're still using it wrong. Here are a couple of examples.
First, an ad hominem attack:
"We shouldn't trust Sally to be around children, because she had an abortion once."
Now for an insult:
"Megan is a whore."
The difference is in the attempt to present it as a logical argument by attempting to substantiate the accusations with unrelated personal qualities. Children on a playground are not using arguments attached to their insults, they're just insulting each other.
First I thought you'd continue like: "because she is a pedophile". But it turned out to be more interesting. So Sally has the ability to abort already born children. End of my attention span ... Give me Megan's number
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It's derived from Latin, but you're being silly if you're reading into the meaning directly instead of referring to the modern English usage. That would be like saying "alma mater" means "dear mother" instead of a college someone graduated from.
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roman's didn't know the word name calling so probably ad hominem included name calling too. or maybe because one stabbed the other before the name calling part.
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It's derived from Latin, but you're being silly if you're reading into the meaning directly instead of referring to the modern English usage. That would be like saying "alma mater" means "dear mother" instead of a college someone graduated from.
Count the letters and definitions covered by Ad Hominem. You're attempting to play down Dev-HC's harassments and personal abuse by limiting the definition to something far more minor, then calling it a kindergarten term such as 'name-calling'. Ad Hominem covers all of the abusive personal harassments in every post by Dev-HC on this thread. Dev-HC has resorted to lying about what I've stated as well, and then tried to redefine what I've stated away from what I actually stated. You're now doing the same thing; attempting to twist words and redefine their meaning to something far different than that stated by the original poster of those statements.
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I'm not attempting to do anything with regards to /dev/humancontroller. He isn't connected to me in any way. I've just been sitting here having a good laugh at this thread.
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I'm not attempting to do anything with regards to /dev/humancontroller. He isn't connected to me in any way. I've just been sitting here having a good laugh at this thread.
Fine, so you're playing down Dev-HC's Ad Hominem unintentionally.
I'm having a good laugh too, by the way. This thread is a nice time-waster to post on occasionally, but from next month I'll be too busy to post here as much. Back to usual. Crazy hours, lots of travel, probably very little time for playing Trem or any other online games. I won't have a decent break until around New Year and the first week of January next year. Maybe then, I can get back to working on improving this mod a bit more.
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Heaven forbid anyone would admit they were wrong on the internet when they can just argue about it incessantly.
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*snip* What's with all the Ad Hominem crapola anyway? *snip*
please stop using the underlined term, you do not seem to know what it means.
Actually, I very much DO know what it means. If someone is engaging in personal attacks, it IS Ad Hominem abuse. Calling someone 'motherfucker', fucktard, and 'faggot' is Ad Hominem abuse. Dev-HC has proven to be incapable of doing otherwise, and has engaged in Ad Hominem abuse throughout the entire thread.
By doing so, Dev-HC destroys any shred of credibility that might remain in those posts, and ensures that the majority of readers will simply skip past his posts because those posts are obviously nothing more than personal harassment. Any use of "technical" arguments that are used in thinly veiled excuse for furthering this personal harassment are discredited by the use of the Ad Hominem abuse. Apparently, Dev-HC also believes that outright lying and intentionally misleading others about what's actually in the mod is going to help counter this loss of credibility, but it doesn't work. Most of the visitors to these forums seeking information about the game of Tremulous are not going to bother reading posts filled with Ad Hominem abuse or which are just personal harassment. There's an old saying, "The mud sticks to those who throw it". Dev-HC throws a lot of "mud".
Dev-HC, your "personal" interpretation of what makes music is not shared by the music industry or the legal community. Using pieces of sound and turning them into a musical creation does not mean that the creator of the music is any less a musician, nor does it make the music any less accepted as the creation of that musician.
You don't help your argument by blatantly lying repeatedly about what I've said before, and your sad attempts at twisting words to claim that I said something that I definitely DID NOT SAY destroys your own arguments. You're not honest enough to stick to the facts, so you LIE about those facts. Just like you LIED yet again when you tried to say that I said "almost all" or claimed authorship of "almost all" when I definitely DID NOT SAY IT. And thanks again for bumping the thread. You're doing great. ;D
first off, the bump part would have meaning if people actually posted more than once every three months on this board. your thanks are empty.
second, even after all of this, you are not using "ad hominim" correctly. dev/hc is not discrediting your argument based on you being anything. he is calling you names based on your argument.
to further your education on logical fallacies - you are committing "argument from fallacy", "argument from ignorance", "Etymological fallacy", and probably many more. also, your "recording industry" example is dead wrong, according to american copyright laws. if you happen to actually own any actual hardcopies of an album, check the sleeve for copyright information about samples. even if permission is granted to use a sample, 99% of the time copyright attribution is included.
just so you know, when you release an asset, you are claiming ownership. by not including the proper attribution, you are claiming it is all your own work. you may not see it this way, but that is unimportant. the law sees it the way i have just described to you.
if you dont believe me, just look up a few court decisions on open source copyright infringement.
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Heaven forbid anyone would admit they were wrong on the internet when they can just argue about it incessantly.
That and porn. You need both. That's what the internet is really for. Just the sort of thing that lonely computer nerds would love most. Don't tell the DoD.
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Calling someone 'motherfucker', fucktard, and 'faggot' is Ad Hominem abuse. Dev-HC has proven to be incapable of doing otherwise, and has engaged in Ad Hominem abuse throughout the entire thread.
By doing so, Dev-HC destroys any shred of credibility that might remain in those posts, and ensures that the majority of readers will simply skip past his posts because those posts are obviously nothing more than personal harassment. Any use of "technical" arguments that are used in thinly veiled excuse for furthering this personal harassment are discredited by the use of the Ad Hominem abuse.
WRONG. by calling you a faggot, i'm adding entertainment value to this thread, without affecting any credibility whatsoever. my posts contain about 1% name calling, and 99% reasoning, you just need to comprehend them.
interpretation of what makes music is not shared
i accidentally the music; i am disappoint.
Using pieces of sound and turning them into a musical creation does not mean that the creator of the music is any less a musician, nor does it make the music any less accepted as the creation of that musician.
correct (in general). however, being accepted depends on the people, and there are certain cases where the music legally cannot become the exclusive creation of the musician, and that's when the pieces of sounds are CC-licensed (by a different author, who is not willing to lift the restrictions of the CC) and are practically contained in the music.
Apparently, Dev-HC also believes that outright lying and intentionally misleading others about what's actually in the mod is going to help counter this loss of credibility, but it doesn't work.
You don't help your argument by blatantly lying repeatedly about what I've said before, and your sad attempts at twisting words to claim that I said something that I definitely DID NOT SAY destroys your own arguments. You're not honest enough to stick to the facts, so you LIE about those facts.
WRONG. i am not lying, nor misleading others (excluding absolute retards from consideration). it is you who are lying when you say that i am lying, and your mispresentation of copyright/credits in the package is the main combination of lying and intentionally misleading.
Just like you LIED yet again when you tried to say that I said "almost all" or claimed authorship of "almost all" when I definitely DID NOT SAY IT.
what part of
yes, but unfortunately, inside the package, you're presenting almost all of the work as if it were your own -- as perceived by the casual package inspector --, thus committing plagiarism.
did you fail to understand? there are 2 main ways to mispresent information, having different success-rates and defences for when challenged/accused:
- to blatantly lie, ie., to explicitly state something non-factual. in this case, there is, in general, no defence against accusations.
- to present information in a setting that usually (or at least to a fair amount of the receivers) implies something, but not in the concrete case, obviously in the hopes of inducing a deduction of non-facts in the minds of the receivers. in this case, a defence against accusations can be: "hey, i never stated that <insert_deduced_non-fact_here>".
the latter include, for example:
- presenting a publication on a scientific topic (as a paper, or possibly as a talk), without referring to sources, is a way of saying that you independently came to the observations, conclusions, methods, etc. that you described (the defence would be: "hey, i was only lecturing").
- a video that contains voiced (read-aloud) text, combined with an image set (slide) that is a formally independent, but is usually believed to be connected, is an attempt at inducing false associations (the defence would be: "hey, the images are just there to try to reduce boredom").
- you and your package, period.
all of the examples are punishable in jurisdictions with reasonably strong law systems.
again, i remind you that you have yet to quote me on all claims that you've made regarding my statements. also, you have yet to make a clear, unambiguous, boilerplate-free statement about what you claim (with respect to ownership and copyright) about the new battlesuit texture.
PS: your latent editing of key points in your posts (that have already been replied to) pisses me off.
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Ah, Dev-HC still lying yet again. ::) Copy/paste of technical stuff to make a big pretense of being 'correct' and having done 'research' while you keep repeating the same misleading BS about what's in the mod, lied about what I've stated previously, and lied about what attributions are given in the files in the mod. Your ridiculous attempts to seem 'cool' by relying on sexual terms in your abuse only give the impression that you're sexually frustrated and seem to believe that anything sexual is 'dirty'. It's kindergarten insult stuff. Like what a little kid or teenager uses when they want to sound 'scary'. LOL. It doesn't work, it's just DUMB.
By the way, I edited previous posts to add attachments of screenshots. I want to have screenshots of the mod on every one of my posts in this thread ;D
Some wonderful hilarity, RAK being a true comedian :D
first off, the bump part would have meaning if people actually posted more than once every three months on this board.
And they DO! Isn't it wonderful. You just posted, a bunch of other people have posted, well, BANG! Just how about that, hey? Look at this thread GROW!
your thanks are empty.
No, they have letters in them. That's not empty.
second, even after all of this, you are not using "ad hominim" correctly.
Says a guy who can't SPELL! Sorry, I'm not using “ad hominim”, I'm pointing out that Dev-HC has been using Ad Hominem. It has an E in it, not two I's.
dev/hc is not discrediting your argument
True, Dev-HC is not discrediting anything, well, except maybe Dev-HC's own posts by filling them with abuse. Which is Ad Hominem. Keep that E in there, and you'll do better. There are many kinds of Ad Hominem, but they are still Ad Hominem; as in against the person. Dev-HC's posts are filled with that kind of crap.
based on you being anything.
No, Dev-HC is instead lying a lot of the time about what's in the mod, and lying about what I've stated already, while mixing in numerous other personal abuse and more crap as well. The harassment and personal abuse is Ad Hominem.
he is calling you names based on your argument.
No, Dev-HC is using insults irrelevant of any actual argument, as the first post by Dev-HC shows. Did you skip past it?
to further your education on logical fallacies
I've had a far wider education than you anyway, and a lot more life experience to top that off. There are books and many websites about logical fallacies and their use, you should read them. They would serve you well. You might improve your spelling of Ad Hominem if you use the word properly, instead of feigning a full knowledge of the term that you've already displayed that you don't have.
you are committing "argument from fallacy", "argument from ignorance", "Etymological fallacy", and probably many more.
Actually, no. You seem unable to specify any in particular as well, I noticed. That rather weakens your accusations. You probably just read those terms online and decided to put them in the post because they sounded good. LOL
also, your "recording industry" example is dead wrong, according to american copyright laws.
I'm not 'american', and there isn't any nation called 'america' either. There is a continent by the name of America, and there are many nations on that continent, one of which is known as the USA or the United States of America.
I'm in Japan. Either way, 'american' copyright laws don't apply to me, and they don't have any jurisdiction over the internet in Japan or the rest of world outside wherever 'america' is. There are international treaties that apply, but the USA's legal system doesn't have any jurisdiction outside the USA, whose laws only apply to a mere 5% of the world's population.
even if permission is granted to use a sample, 99% of the time copyright attribution is included.
And just like Dev-HC, you attempt to mislead by implying that I haven't given any attribution for the sound samples which I've used. It was made very clear early in this thread that I gave attribution as required, but Dev-HC has continued make misleading and false statements anyway. Many consider that repetition of another's lie is still lying, even unknowingly. So, the question is, did you just repeat the bullshit claims of Dev-HC without checking their validity, or did you try to verify those claims and chose to repeat the same lies from Dev-HC in full knowledge that they were lies?
just so you know, when you release an asset, you are claiming ownership. by not including the proper attribution copyright infringement.
You're incorrect about claiming of ownership just by the act of releasing an asset. That's not how it works at all, and neither have I claimed ownership of everything within the mod; you're implying something which is thoroughly untrue. Basically, you're lying and misleading just like Dev-HC has done.
It seems that you want to continue other lies of Dev-HC as well. I've already given attribution, but you want to disregard facts and continue Dev-HC's lies. By the way, it's up to the copyright holders as to decide whether there's been any infringement or not, not up to you or Dev-HC.
you are claiming it is all your own work.
You're lying and misleading yet again. I have NEVER claimed it's all my own work for every asset in the mod. Just like Dev-HC, you make claims and bullshit all the time without checking a damn thing. Dev-HC has repeatedly misrepresented what's been stated by me in previous posts and in the mod, you're doing the same dumb thing.
you may not see it this way,
I don't look at things through whatever twisted distortions that you apparently want to promote about the world, I stick with reality and the facts. Since you've repeated a lot of lies, made misleading statements, and obviously haven't checked the facts, the only people seeing things 'your way' are those who are equally guilty of not checking the facts and just spouting BS all the time. Ignorance is only an excuse when the means to check facts are not available, which is not the case here. You could've checked, you didn't, and you repeated the same lying crap that Dev-HC has posted.
the law sees it the way i have just described to you
No it doesn't. You were incorrect numerous times. The law is often called stupid, but you can't just make shit up and pretend that laws say things that they don't, or that laws apply in jurisdictions that those laws don't apply in.
if you dont believe me
It's not 'belief' required here, it's FACTS. You and Dev-HC should learn to stick with the facts, not make shit up. Also, learn to SPELL and use grammar properly.
just look up a few court decisions on open source copyright infringement.
I did, ages ago, now you should too. Also, grab a dictionary while you're doing that, and practice spelling.
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I've had a far wider education than you anyway, and a lot more life experience to top that off.
Tell me, do you know what the word "pedantic" means?
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I've had a far wider education than you anyway, and a lot more life experience to top that off.
Tell me, do you know what the word "pedantic" means?
Of course, I've also been a teacher. Teachers are nearly always pedantic. :D
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I've had a far wider education than you anyway, and a lot more life experience to top that off.
yet you suck at life (committing plagiarism, failing at arguments, etc.).
I gave attribution as required
WRONG.
Dev-HC has continued make misleading and false statements anyway
WRONG.
just so you know, when you release an asset, you are claiming ownership. by not including the proper attribution copyright infringement.
You're incorrect about claiming of ownership just by the act of releasing an asset. That's not how it works at all
WRONG (see my examples).
I've already given attribution
insufficient amount of attribution.
it's up to the copyright holders as to decide whether there's been any infringement or not, not up to you or Dev-HC.
of course, since the copyright holder defines the license. for example, the he/she may choose to use a CC license, in which case the copyright holder automatically decides that all improperly attributed modification-redistributions are infringements.
you are claiming it is all your own work.
You're lying and misleading yet again. I have NEVER claimed it's all my own work for every asset in the mod.
WRONG, claiming does not require an explicit statement (see the examples).
Dev-HC has repeatedly misrepresented what's been stated by me in previous posts and in the mod
WRONG.
the law sees it the way i have just described to you
No it doesn't. You were incorrect numerous times.
WRONG.
if you dont believe me
It's not 'belief' required here, it's FACTS.
WRONG.
I've also been a teacher.
i feel for students who learned nothing but bullshit from you.
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Ah, there is Dev-HC bumping the thread again with more nonsensical bullshit and a massive serve of lies again.
Sorry, but you're full of BS, mate. You've lied about what is and what is not in the mod. You've lied about what I've stated about the mod even though it's easily verified by reading the posts. It seems that you have great difficulty sticking to what people have actually said, preferring to put your own twisted self-serving interpretations there instead. You've lied also about whether or not that I've given attribution, and apparently it won't matter a damn about how much is given since you'll always say it's not enough because - after all, it's plain to everyone that the ONLY motivation that you have for posting on this thread is the typical Troll one of personal harassment. That behaviour has been evidenced repeatedly by both your Ad Hominem and your blatant dishonesty.
Your posts don't have any point, and your arguments are garbage dressed up with irrelevant C&P. Most of what you've said is just boring BS such as 'wrong' without any expansion onto 'why' something is wrong, and when you do expand on an explanation it's been crap or filled with more distortions.
You remind me very much of one of those wandering drunks that yell at people in the street, abusing the world in the foulest language that they can think of, but lacking the vocabulary & creativity to be interesting while doing it.
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bumping
You keep saying this word. Why do you keep saying this word. For a thread to be bumped it has to be bumped over another. None of the other threads in this subforum have been replied to. There is nothing to bump this thread over.
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bumping
You keep saying this word. Why do you keep saying this word. For a thread to be bumped it has to be bumped over another. None of the other threads in this subforum have been replied to. There is nothing to bump this thread over.
That's not correct. There have been 4 posts on another thread in this subforum after this thread was posted. Everytime this thread has been posted on, it also gets displayed as the Latest Post on the Index, which makes it more visible.
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Do you cross a bridge by standing in place?
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Do you cross a bridge by standing in place?
Although there are very few members logging in and posting on these ancient Tremulous forums, the game itself isn't yet dead. People still play it. A few servers continue to be popular. Occasionally, someone will want to find a new mod for this old game, spice it up a little, be a bit different. If they want to find a mod, the logical first place to look is this forum. While this thread is at the top of this subforum, and while this thread appears on the Index as the one with the latest post, it has an increased chance of being seen. It will also accumulate a higher rank in the search engines' listings.
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ad hominem. you discredit my argument due to a spelling error. an understandable one, as spellcheck does not include many latin words. you see, THAT is actual ad hominem. "RAK cant spell, therefore his point is invalid". do you see how it differs from dev/hc saying "you are wrong, therefore you are a faggot"? did dev/hc claim that your supposed faggotry was the reason you were wrong? this addresses my origional point. you do not understand "ad hominem", and apparently you do not understand logical fallacy in general.
now, for the point by point - in my traditional irritatingly vague formatting.
i guess even bad attention is good for those starved for attention in general.
you WERE aware that things with "letters in them" can be "empty"? like this - prove me wrong and i'll saw off my left foot. see? that's an empty promise.
ad hominem attack on me, not deigning to reply.
as you have been told many times now, personal attacks do not equal ad hominem. this is an example of argument from fallacy. again, ad hominem refers specifically to the logical fallacy of dismissing an argument from a person based on some form of personal attack. a personal attack can be ad hominem, but not all personal attacks are ad hominem. this is not a difficult concept. perhaps if i used simpler terms? just because a cat is an animal does not mean all animals are cats. do you understand now?
for the record, i have yet to catch dev/hc in a lie. ever. i've seen him mistaken or incorrect, but never actually lying. you see, "lying" infers an active perversion of the truth. are you forgetting some of us actually can remember for longer than a week? i'd find dev/hc's assessment of you in his first post to be unflattering, but not inaccurate. in collusion with that, i find your adopting of volt's "relaxed" attitude with regards to simple copyleft attribution to be deeply troubling.
using insults not attached to any specific argument precludes what dev/hc is doing from being ad hominem. just to beat the point home some more - ad hominem is not just any personal attack, but refuting your argument on the basis of that personal attack.
far more education and world experience than i? you must have forgotten who i am. unlike the vast majority of americans you'll run into online, i have spent not insignificant time outside of my nation of origin. i've also furthered my education, earning a degree in a practical subject. did you know your "i am better educated and more cultured than you" bit i'm responding to right here is ad hominem? i didnt think that you did. by the by, i was not aware that being an english teach required a vast education. i would assume all that is required is a degree of fluency in something other than english, and the ability to explain basic grammar and spelling rules.
tell me, is it not common practice to refer to anything pertaining to the united states of america as "american"? i see people from all over the would do it, as well as it being extremely common here in america itself. you also may be living in japan, but are you solely a citizen of japan? no other citizenships held? makes no matter, japan's treaties say it honers the copyrights of works in their country of origin. furthermore, the berne convention states copyright is "automatic, upon publication". the US and japan are both party to the berne convention. so basically, nothing absolves you of requiring proper attribution, as per creative commons license, and also by publishing without said attribution you violated copyright by claiming full ownership of derivative works.
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Actually, I very much DO know what it means. If someone is engaging in personal attacks, it IS Ad Hominem abuse. Calling someone 'motherfucker', fucktard, and 'faggot' is Ad Hominem abuse.
argument from fallacy
I prefer experts on Logical Fallacies and use of the OED actually, but Ad Hominem is Latin. Literally "to a man," from ad "to" (see ad-) + hominem, accusative of homo "man". When kids are insulting each other it's still Ad Hominem. The kids may call it name-calling, but that doesn't change that it's Ad Hominem, as in against the person. I'm using it correctly, and studied Latin in school, back in those old days when it was considered 'important'.
Etymological fallacy
If I build a house, it doesn't make it someone else's house just because I didn't make each brick by hand. If I make music from samples it doesn't make it someone else's music. The music is my creation. In the sound files, attribution is given in the metadata showing exactly where those samples came from. If it says OnlyTheGhosts, and that's it - well, bad luck, Dev-HC, I really did make that alone with sampling done only by me. Many of the sound files are like that. Others have the sources IN THE METADATA, and you're full of BS (yet again) trying to claim that's unimportant. Bit difficult to put attribution in the metadata of the textures, unfortunately, but I already gave attribution anyway elsewhere.
argument from ignorance, fallacy of composition, false analogy.
i could go on, but that is the limit for the time i am investing in educating you. i suggest you look the terms up and see why i might apply them to the quotes i did.
see points above on what "american" refers to, and how the treaties japan has signed onto apply in this situation. i also did not target your sounds. i said the sounds in tremulous are in a grey area at best, and can never be properly attributed, and it was not a good idea to use them. in case you have trouble telling us apart, i am the one who does not consistently format responses, rarely namecalls, and almost never capitalizes the word "wrong". another easy way of distinction is up at the top of the post, in that kinda rectangular sidebar boarding any given post, on the left: the name is "RAKninja-Decepticon" and not "dev/humancontroller". as odd as it seems, we are not the same person.
again, both japan and the US are party to the berne convention, which means that when someone publishes something (in this case, releases a bunch of files on the internet) they automatically claim copyright. as you did not include proper attribution, or any attribution i should say, you automatically claimed that all the work was your own original work. original means "no samples", as published samples have a copyright of their own. you therefore need license to use such copywritten samples. luckily we have things like the creative commons license, which grants such license for anyone, providing they include proper attribution. failing that, you can contact a copyright holder and get permission ("license") under some other terms. this second option is what musicians usually do when they sample things. as i urged you, you'll see in the copyright info for such compositions - "includes samples from 'i'm a dirty asshole' by i.p. freely, used with permission"
i'm going to bundle the rest of your tripe into one paragraph. you might want to look into what the law, for your jurisdiction, says. but, because of the berne convention and similar international treaties (both japan and the US are members of every one) what matters is nation of origin, so US copyright law most definitely applies. know that you stand proud with the likes of volt in violating the easiest license in the world to comply with.
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Your support of Dev-HC's first post is Ad Hominem. Calling it 'unflattering' is just another bullshit way of trying to play down what it really is; an insane, badly written, insulting, misleading personal attack - and the claims in that first post by Dev-HC are just a mix of lies and insults with no truthful basis at all, in spite your personal opinion. Your 'opinion' doesn't magically turn Dev-HC's bullshit and insults into FACTUAL statements.
As soon as you chose to support crappy insults and lies like that, you declared that your pretence at intellectual objectivity and rational debate is nothing more than a fraud.
You just blew it, big time, utterly destroying whatever shred of credibility you might've claimed in debate as far as most visitors are concerned. Recall the old saying, "The mud sticks most to those who throw it", and you just joined a troll, Dev-HC, in the mud-throwing game. His bullshit remains bullshit, just as yours does. And it definitely IS bullshit. Personal attacks are Ad Hominem. Attempting to claim that the words mean something other than what they actually say, is rather dishonest of you.
The post that you responded with was filled with the same bullshit and misleading statements as Dev-HC had already posted earlier. Dev-HC lied about what I've stated previously and about what's in the mod. You simply supported by repetition the same lies that Dev-HC used. If you're unable or unwilling to recognise a lie from Dev-HC, that's irrelevant to the fact that Dev-HC did in fact lie. Quite a lot. He lied when he claimed that I was saying "almost all" of the assets in the mod were my creation, and he lied when he claimed that I didn't give any attributions. Basically, he's full of shit, and you're simply backing up that bullshit by claiming that I published without attribution, which is an outright lie from you; the mod includes attributions aplenty. Likely the mod has more attributions than any other packaged mod in this forum. So, Dev-HC lied, and you're lying too. I've seen Dev-HC lie to an absurd extent in an IRC conversation, spouting BS and abuse like he was shovelling shit from a truck.
It seems that you and Dev-HC are both of the same mindset, you both behave like trolls. Neither of you takes the time to spell correctly, or write a sentence properly. A sentence begins with a capital letter and ends with a period. It must contain a noun and a verb, a subject and a predicate. See here for more detailed explanations. (http://www.eslbee.com/sentences.htm) You want to present yourself as well educated, unfortunately, your inability to write a sentence or spell correctly discredits you. If you can't write correctly, than you can't defend an argument effectively either. Trolls don't need to write sentences properly, they just yell 'faggot' and 'motherfucker' relying on copy & paste of huge irrelevant paragraphs from other websites to feign an education which they never experienced.
By narrowly re-defining and reinterpreting what was stated by me already quite clearly, you're engaging in a deceptive portrayal of the argument. When you blanket state that something is 'wrong' only on the thin premise of being an analogy while ignoring the core point made, you're dishonestly avoiding the presentation of any logical counterpoint. You then choose to keep carrying on as if that non-existent counterpoint had been presented, and the argument dismissed. The core point remains standing, however. Just as Dev-HC tries to dismiss the accusation that he's lying about what I've previously stated by insisting on his own personal reinterpretation of what was stated by me, you're being equally dishonest in debate. You both play word games as if they were a magical "abracadabra" for winning arguments while you toss in huge amounts of personal attack, and continue to avoid presenting a true logical counterpoint.
If you wanted a reasonable reply to your post, then you should've begun in kind with a reasonable post. One where you'd checked what was going on, what the truth of the matter was, instead of recycling/repeating the same lying crap and Ad Hominem that Dev-HC is shovelling.
As for the USA's copyright laws, they don't have extra-judicial jurisdiction and can't be enforced internationally when the product isn't made in the USA, is made by residents of another nation, and used by residents of another nation. When that product is virtual data on the internet, the legal issues become extremely complex and the court decisions controversial. You can post reams of C&P trying to claim otherwise, but that's what the reality is. Even the juridiction and legality of open source documentation is highly questionable. Nevertheless, you've persisted in repeating the same dumbass lies claiming that I didn't give attribution and that I'm not abiding by legal requirements in the mod; what you and Dev-HC claim is total bullshit.
Common practice among the population of the USA to refer to themselves as 'american' does not make it true that ONLY they are 'american'. The people of every other nation in North and South America are also 'Americans'. The people of the USA who falsely define the term to only refer to themselves are being derogatory and insulting to everyone else in both North and South America. Many people internationally and in those other nations are strongly objecting to the narrow definition that 'american' only refers to citizens of the USA, when there are hundreds of millions of people living in both North and South America who not citizens of the USA. There's no country called 'america' anyway.
You've also forgotten who I am. :)
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no, i have not forgotten you. my recollection that you are an english teacher, and not native to japan should tell you that.
you've got a couple of things right about dev/hc's first post. it was insulting, and indeed a personal attack. however, despite appearances, it was not ad hominem. do you not see how your own actions are supporting his claims? you have adopted volt's casual disregard for copyright. you have adopted volt's whiny self defense. you have adopted volt's dismissal of others under the most petty of pretenses.
i see you still dont understand what a lie is. anyhow, i think the word you are looking for is "slander". oh, i also never made any pretense at intellectual objectivity or even rational debate. i have 1 - explained how copyright works, and 2 - asked you to stop using a term you still do not grasp, most likely due to willful ignorance.
you did not claim "almost all" of the assets, you claimed them all by reason of a lack of proper attribution. did you even read where i explained how that works? and yet you still do not get it. furthermore, no, upon release - according to you yourself - you lacked proper attribution. shit buried in scripts and metadata is not good enough. again, other mods are not the point of discussion here, your mod is.
ah, back to harping on me for spelling and grammar. no, i am not your english student. yes, i am perfectly aware of the common rules of english grammar and spelling. and i willfully ignore them when writing something unimportant, such as an argument online. did you know that becoming a spelling/grammar nazi was basically admitting that you have no actual salient points with which to counter arguments against you? and if dev/hc is lying so much..... call out each lie and refute it. youve done nothing but basically scream "LIAR!", and have not bothered with actually refuting his claims. this tends to make the casual observer believe that you do not counter them because you can not counter them, being the truth.
again, you've mixed me up with him. i have explained my points to you (those points being how you've fucked up your copyright attribution, and how you've fucked up the use of the word "ad hominem"). i have only used a non-specific "wrong" once to you in this conversation, that being where i said you were using ad hominem incorrectly. and did you just backhandedly accuse me of copy-pasting my arguments? buhwha?
my posts have been nothing if not reasonable. again, i am not dev/hc. i have not been calling you names. i have been patiently explaining concepts to you. that you have been willfully refusing to learn or even admit your error shows how unreasonable (and how much like volt) you are.
when you build on a copylefted work, you are required to release under the same license (in general, there are exceptions). does that make it easier to comprehend? at this point, it does not matter what country the original work derives from, you have to release in yours under the same license. CC-BY-SA (the license for art assets in tremulous) says you MUST.... fuck it. read it for yourself and see if you can fit the pieces together (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/).
a good portion of people in the UK call us americans, and use the adjective "american" when referring to things of us. hell, so do a lot of japanese. pretty much worldwide, "american" is understood to pertain to the US. oh, point of fact, we are the United States of America. "united states" is cumbersome, and does not work in some word combinations, so most everyone uses "american" instead. "hey, when is that united statesian coming over to visit?"
edit: i note that you have not looked into the implications of the international copyright treaties japan has signed onto.
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Yes, RAKninja-Decepticon, you've definitely forgotten me. I've only worked sometimes as an English teacher to "help out". Not my my main job at all. ;D
Now you're lying about what I've claimed in attribution. You're full of shit just like Dev-HC. I definitely did NOT claim them all. You're outright lying now.
It's obvious that you're nothing better than Dev-HC, yet another lying troll who just makes up shit all the time and cares zero for actual truth.
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Yes, RAKninja-Decepticon, you've definitely forgotten me. I've only worked sometimes as an English teacher to "help out". Not my my main job at all. ;D
Now you're lying about what I've claimed in attribution. You're full of shit just like Dev-HC. I definitely did NOT claim them all. You're outright lying now.
It's obvious that you're nothing better than Dev-HC, yet another lying troll who just makes up shit all the time and cares zero for actual truth.
again, by releasing without PROPER ATTRIBUTION you are claiming everything as your own original work. by your own admission, you released without said attribution (bold and underlined text is my emphasis added) -
It took bloody ages to make those textures and sounds which I created, and I gave attribution already for the source of those which I did not do, they're neither 'cheap' or simply ripped off. I put hundreds of hours of work into this, but you'll have to take it or leave it for the present. I modified content certainly, that's why it's called a Mod. Every mod on this site has built upon the work of other mods before it. However, the majority of what's in this mod is the result of my hard work, not others. That's nearly every Alien sound, Human sound, all of their skins, many of the other rougher-looking textures used in the maps, and a helluva a lot of finicky re-writing of scripts to get the 'look' that I and my son desired. Attributions are written everywhere in the scripts as required by common decency. The metadata contains the name and source of the sounds. You can use the Alien sounds and Human sounds elsewhere, for other mods if you like. All of those which were made under the name OnlyTheGhosts, are mine. I made those. I give permission to use them in Unvanquished, or anywhere else, whatever. Doesn't bother me, as long as you give attribution.
There's no more copyright text in this mod than there is in most of the mods on this site, so it's not exceptional there. There are copyright texts are in the game-playing changing version of the mod, not in this non-game play changing version. Since I'm not likely to work on this mod any further for awhile, you'll have to accept this version as is. If I find the time available, MAYBE then I will include that. IF people are actually interested in using the mod.
point of fact, you never mentioned to me that teaching english is not your "main job". you've only described yourself as an english teacher in japan to me.
again, if you make a claim that something is a lie, refute it with evidence. not doing so makes you a hypocrite, as you are calling dev/hc out on saying you are wrong but not how. you are also incorrectly calling me out on the same thing, despite my taking great pains to explain your errors to you.
to put it into context, if you publish an academic paper containing bits quoted from other papers, and you do not footnote/attribute the quoted text, you are a plagiarizer, because you have defacto claimed credit for material that is not yours by way of lack of attribution.
edit: fixed(?) mangled bbcode.
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Point of fact, I mentioned that English teaching was a job that I did occasionally to help out, that's all. I've told others what my main job is, the rumours have certainly done their rounds over the years.
Lying won't get you anywhere. I have never claimed that every asset in the mod was mine. You're full of shit just like Dev-HC is. I've already given proper attribution to many other people, so drop the lying and deal with reality. The evidence is the mod, what's written in the mod, and the metadata in the sounds. No where does it say "Hey, I made EVERYTHING", so you're just lying. I also did not plagiarize, and you're full of shit claiming that I did. To plagiarize, I would've had to claim that something created by another was created by me, and that I definitely did not do. I have never claimed anywhere in the mod the creation of any asset that I didn't create, and I have given attribution already to those who did create those assets or were the source of the inspiration that I worked from. Your attempt to twist facts by claiming that I was "defacto" giving attribution only to myself is utter, complete, thoroughly nonsensical garbage.
RAKninja-Decepticon, you've just demonstrated that you're even more dishonest in debate than Dev-HC. He lied far more cleverly too, while you outright try to twist facts like a pretzel pretending that by redefining the meaning of words that you can change reality. Trolls, both of you, neither of you capable of sticking to the truth because you're too intent on bullshitting excuses for personal harassment.
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Your support of Dev-HC's first post is Ad Hominem. Calling it 'unflattering' is just another bullshit way of trying to play down what it really is; an insane, badly written, insulting, misleading personal attack - and the claims in that first post by Dev-HC are just a mix of lies and insults with no truthful basis at all, in spite your personal opinion. Your 'opinion' doesn't magically turn Dev-HC's bullshit and insults into FACTUAL statements.
As soon as you chose to support crappy insults and lies like that, you declared that your pretence at intellectual objectivity and rational debate is nothing more than a fraud.
You just blew it, big time, utterly destroying whatever shred of credibility you might've claimed in debate as far as most visitors are concerned. Recall the old saying, "The mud sticks most to those who throw it", and you just joined a troll, Dev-HC, in the mud-throwing game. His bullshit remains bullshit, just as yours does. And it definitely IS bullshit. Personal attacks are Ad Hominem. Attempting to claim that the words mean something other than what they actually say, is rather dishonest of you.
The post that you responded with was filled with the same bullshit and misleading statements as Dev-HC had already posted earlier. Dev-HC lied about what I've stated previously and about what's in the mod. You simply supported by repetition the same lies that Dev-HC used. If you're unable or unwilling to recognise a lie from Dev-HC, that's irrelevant to the fact that Dev-HC did in fact lie. Quite a lot. He lied when he claimed that I was saying "almost all" of the assets in the mod were my creation, and he lied when he claimed that I didn't give any attributions. Basically, he's full of shit, and you're simply backing up that bullshit by claiming that I published without attribution, which is an outright lie from you; the mod includes attributions aplenty. Likely the mod has more attributions than any other packaged mod in this forum. So, Dev-HC lied, and you're lying too. I've seen Dev-HC lie to an absurd extent in an IRC conversation, spouting BS and abuse like he was shovelling shit from a truck.
It seems that you and Dev-HC are both of the same mindset, you both behave like trolls. Neither of you takes the time to spell correctly, or write a sentence properly. A sentence begins with a capital letter and ends with a period. It must contain a noun and a verb, a subject and a predicate. See here for more detailed explanations. (http://www.eslbee.com/sentences.htm) You want to present yourself as well educated, unfortunately, your inability to write a sentence or spell correctly discredits you. If you can't write correctly, than you can't defend an argument effectively either. Trolls don't need to write sentences properly, they just yell 'faggot' and 'motherfucker' relying on copy & paste of huge irrelevant paragraphs from other websites to feign an education which they never experienced.
By narrowly re-defining and reinterpreting what was stated by me already quite clearly, you're engaging in a deceptive portrayal of the argument. When you blanket state that something is 'wrong' only on the thin premise of being an analogy while ignoring the core point made, you're dishonestly avoiding the presentation of any logical counterpoint. You then choose to keep carrying on as if that non-existent counterpoint had been presented, and the argument dismissed. The core point remains standing, however. Just as Dev-HC tries to dismiss the accusation that he's lying about what I've previously stated by insisting on his own personal reinterpretation of what was stated by me, you're being equally dishonest in debate. You both play word games as if they were a magical "abracadabra" for winning arguments while you toss in huge amounts of personal attack, and continue to avoid presenting a true logical counterpoint.
If you wanted a reasonable reply to your post, then you should've begun in kind with a reasonable post. One where you'd checked what was going on, what the truth of the matter was, instead of recycling/repeating the same lying crap and Ad Hominem that Dev-HC is shovelling.
enough. the amount of new, potentially valid points that you raise with each post is monotonically non-increasing, and was at 0 for the last N posts, where N >= 1. all you're doing is repeating the statements that "Dev-HC is lying", "Dev-HC is full of crap", and "Dev-HC has no credibility", surrounded by lots of non-intellectual gibberish and other irrelevant nonsense.
you're ignoring key points that i've raised, namely an "injunction":
make a clear, unambiguous, boilerplate-free statement about what you claim (with respect to ownership and copyright) about the new battlesuit texture.
you're trying to disparage many of the key statements that affect your "reputation on the internet" once recognized: your're repeatedly saying "i have never said that i own almost all of the contents" (note -- i repeat --: i never claimed that you explicitly did), which attacks a not-so-significant component of the reason for why you're a fuckface, thus detracting attention from a more important point: you're a fuckface for believing -- or tirelessly pretending to believe -- that you own the textures that you've trivially remixed by applying filters and brushes over the originals; you actually don't own them.
you are still unable to back up any of your claims against me with quotes. that is understandable, since you're WRONG. and you know that; thus, you're not just unintentionally WRONG, but you're actually intentionally lying, even when you say that i am lying, just trolling, and so on.
if you pull an unfounded statement -- "<X> is true" -- out of your ass, then that statement will receive a "WRONG" reply. i have no obligation to provide a detailed explanation, because none is required: the explanation is always that "<X> is not true". for somewhat-founded, but nontheless WRONG statements, i will give a "WRONG" reply, usually (but not always, depending on the retardedness of the statement) followed by an argument that topples the (false) justification of the statement.
As for the USA's copyright laws, they don't have extra-judicial jurisdiction and can't be enforced internationally when the product isn't made in the USA, is made by residents of another nation, and used by residents of another nation. When that product is virtual data on the internet, the legal issues become extremely complex and the court decisions controversial. You can post reams of C&P trying to claim otherwise, but that's what the reality is. Even the juridiction and legality of open source documentation is highly questionable. Nevertheless, you've persisted in repeating the same dumbass lies claiming that I didn't give attribution and that I'm not abiding by legal requirements in the mod; what you and Dev-HC claim is total bullshit.
WRONG. you're absolutely dumbfounded as to how legal systems work, even how a humane legal system should work for the benefit of humanity, with respect to copyright of artistic property.
you are an english teacher
lol, one could tell that he is not a legal teacher. if he actually were, then that would have been worthy of the declaration of an OFFICIAL(TM) facepalm day.
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I don't quote your bullshit, Dev-HC, not because I need to back what I say with quotes but because there's; 1) no need as anyone can read this thread and see your lies all over the place, 2) you're spouting bullshit repeatedly that doesn't deserve repetition. You've played word games, twisted and redefined what others have said, tried to portray others as saying things which they definitely did NOT say, and made unfounded claims about attribution; you know very well - unless you've managed to delude yourself into thinking that LIES change reality - that I have never claimed to have every asset in the mod, and have very specifically stated that I didn't create everything in the mod. You're lying troll, and nothing more, because you can't stick with the facts. Apparently, you neither want to accept facts as they are, nor are capable of living in a fact-based world. You've demonstrated a crippling incapacity for honesty, which must prove to be a severe handicap in your relations with other people in real life society. I can only assume from your behaviour on this thread that you lie so much that you thoroughly convince yourself into believing your own lies.
The entire argument about the USA's legal system is actually irrelevant because you began with the premise that I'd claimed credit for assets in the mod that I hadn't actually claimed credit for; you'd just lied and pretended that I'd claimed credit for "almost" everything - which I very specifically in the first post had not done. I have never claimed to have made every asset in the mod, nor have claimed credit for things which I did not make, and you know it, others reading this thread know it, yet you continue to repeat the same lies about attribution. You're beginning to bore me, because you're a boring troll; a mere broken record going round and round repetitively making the same bullshit claims that never were true in the first place. You're engaged in nothing more than personal harassment, without a shred of credibility in any of the claims that you've made about me or anyone else.
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I don't quote your bullshit, Dev-HC, not because I need to back what I say with quotes but because there's; 1) no need as anyone can read this thread and see your lies all over the place, 2) you're spouting bullshit repeatedly that doesn't deserve repetition.
WRONG. you don't quote me, because you cannot quote me without revealing, to others, that your thought process is fucking WRONG. i dare you. you will either
- ignore this and not quote me, because this way, you give others the non-benefit of the doubt ("hey maybe /dev/humancontroller did lie somewhere, i just can't seem to find it");
- quote me out-of-context, for example, to make it seem like i said "samoz said that he owns almost all of the contents"; or
- give your best shot at quoting in good faith, and force a wave of facepalming as you reveal your weak pillars of (non-)arguments.
You've played word games
WRONG, i have not played any word games (as an exceptional case, this explanation is given for the above, ultimately retarded statement (usually the explanation is evident)).
redefined what others have said, tried to portray others as saying things which they definitely did NOT say
WRONG. i have pointed out and explained the most reasonable, humane and widespread interpretation of what you imply (not necessarily via words).
made unfounded claims about attribution
WRONG. my claims about attribution have the most argumental support, and the arguments are not just "out there", but are written here.
you know very well [...] that I have never claimed to have every asset in the mod
yes. yet you practically implied, in the eyes of the average person, that you owned copyright to the large majority of the assets. this is what the debate is about -- i'm saying that for the Nth time already.
You're lying troll, and nothing more
WRONG.
you can't stick with the facts.
WRONG.
Apparently, you neither want to accept facts as they are, nor are capable of living in a fact-based world.
WRONG. in fact, that statement is most true for you (without the "apparently" part; rather, with "obviously").
You've demonstrated a crippling incapacity for honesty
WRONG. in fact, that statement is most true for you. you attempted to induce, in others, a hightened opinion of you, which you do not deserve.
you'd just lied and pretended that I'd claimed credit for "almost" everything - which I very specifically in the first post had not done.
WRONG. i correctly stated and argued, with proper reasons, that you practically implied a claim, that you are to be credited for the large majority of the contents in the package. you tried to cover up the situation slightly by amending the first post after i saw through your unethical acts and pointed them out.
I have never claimed to have made every asset in the mod
did i mention that i've never said that you did claim to have made every asset?
nor have claimed credit for things which I did not make
have implied.
others reading this thread know it
likely: WRONG, others are "tl;dr"ing due to your mass-repetition of bullshit, lies, etc., or are struggling to understand who the "winner" is, while neither side plans to submit in the near future.
lies
arguments.
by the way: implying is claiming, under all jurisdictions with a reasonable law system.
you're a deluded little moron, a fuckface, a wannabe; you're shitting lies and are trying to protect your (below-zero) reputation, which you do not deserve.
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Wow, these trolls go through a massive amounts of straw in their arguments!
Unsatisfied that I haven't claimed credit for making all assets in the mod and unhappy that the mod has attributions aplenty, far more attributions than probably every other mod of similar kind that's posted in this forum, the two trolls have to desperately create a strawman out of total fiction. Unable to point to me claiming credit for making all assets, Troll No.1 (Dev-HC) has resorted to pretending there's a mythical (although in truth totally NON-EXISTENT) "implication" that I was claiming credit (OMG! The IDIOT has to make shit up out of NOTHING because he's so INSANE!). An "implication" totally shredded because it never existed in the first place, was in truth specifically refuted in the mod and by me on this thread over a dozen times already, and only ever existed in the hallucinogenic emptiness of Troll No.1's mind.
Sorry, Troll No.1, but you appear to have Lost The Plot.
Also, there's absolutely no necessity in quoting you, Dev-HC, because I'm usually posting immediately after your post. Everyone can see who is replying to who and follow the conversation. Perhaps, you only want others to quote you as you're quite vain and need to glorify yourself.
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To be honest, I wouldn't want to claim credit over something that looked like that, either.
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To be honest, I wouldn't want to claim credit over something that looked like that, either.
Some people will like it. Some people won't. I didn't make the mod to please everyone, and as stated at the start it's impossible to please everyone regardless. My son loves the mod. He doesn't play Tremulous very often these days, but in his opinion, the vanilla standard Tremulous looks dull and uninteresting. He loved the KoRx mod's appearance but he wanted an Asian-influenced style that was rougher, grittier, and a mix of modern and traditional. So, there's dirt and grime, splatters of blood, oil leaking, old stains, mud on the boots, bullet marks, scratches, rust, and a run-down "used-future" look mixed with the glowy neon-like lighting and sparkly bits. I know that there a few players out there using this mod, because I've encountered them in games during the past couple of days.
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Unable to point to me claiming credit for making all assets
WRONG. the person "unable to point" -- despite all requests to do so -- is you. you're attempting to induce confusion in the casual reader regarding who has the burden of pointing something out (the casual reader may only remember that "there was a post where someone was dared to point something out, and reading this post, it probaly was /dev/humancontroller", which is WRONG).
Troll No.1 (Dev-HC) has resorted to pretending there's a mythical (although in truth totally NON-EXISTENT) "implication" that I was claiming credit (OMG! The IDIOT has to make shit up out of NOTHING because he's so INSANE!). An "implication" totally shredded because it never existed in the first place, was in truth specifically refuted in the mod and by me on this thread over a dozen times already, and only ever existed in the hallucinogenic emptiness of Troll No.1's mind.
congratulations, you have successfully proven that you previously have been dumbfounded as to what my argument is. the proof is that you now see a different explanation of my argument as a "new resort" or completely new argument. and even now, you still don't understand why it works, in fact, your disbelief in the argument centers around the WRONG proposition -- likely with just pretensions -- that law works in the way you imagine.
you appear to have Lost The Plot.
WRONG. the number of my arguments continues to increase. the number of your unshattered arguments was lowered to 0.
Also, there's absolutely no necessity in quoting you, Dev-HC, because I'm usually posting immediately after your post.
WRONG. you, in recent posts, are claiming something that i said near the first posts. it is there where you still have the burden of quoting from.
i will re-notify you of the following key statement that you've been silent about:
make a clear, unambiguous, boilerplate-free statement about what you claim (with respect to ownership and copyright) about the new battlesuit texture.
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It's becoming increasingly difficult to take any of your bullcrap seriously, Dev-HC. You seem obsessed with me, what is it? Love? And all that sexual language!
Apart from that, you're continuing to recycle the same old, same old. The same old lies about attribution, the same old lies and tall stories alleging an intent that you can't back with even the tiniest iota of evidence because all of those things you accuse me of are just total fiction, made up in your head. None of your crap, none of lies about me, have any basis in reality. You've abundantly proven only one thing; that you're so crippled in your divorcement from reality that you mistake your own BULLSHIT for the real world.
How can anyone take you seriously when everything you've said so far in this thread has come across as the delusional rantings of a lunatic who believes his own lies change reality?
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anytime you want to even try to say something that supports your view...
i'll keep re-notifying you:
make a clear, unambiguous, boilerplate-free statement about what you claim (with respect to ownership and copyright) about the new battlesuit texture.
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Dev-HC, you're so full of crap it's amazing that you can comprehend how to go to the toilet without a map and an instructional video to watch.
You've tried to make up bullshit about 'implication' of attribution that was never there, tried to claim that I was claiming credit for all of the assets when I very definitely wasn't, and you've outright barefaced LIED and tried to claim that I was. You're not just a troll, you're a delusional loony without any grip on reality at all. Thanks for bumping the thread and helping it stay right up there, and by the way, you're incredibly easy to manipulate ;D
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you have yet to
make a clear, unambiguous, boilerplate-free statement about what you claim (with respect to ownership and copyright) about the new battlesuit texture.
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/dev/humancontroller, you need to admit that you've been lying throughout this thread.
You've tried desperately, and with boring repetition, to accuse me (without any evidence from you except 'implications' pulled out of your arse) of claiming credit for the creation of every asset in the mod. You just make SHIT up. ::)
You grasp at straws trying to give your fictions the facade of seeming to be 'true' yet know that you're only engaged in a long tirade of obsessive personal harassment where you'd try any lie of convenience to continue that harassment. I have never claimed credit for any part of the mod's assets that I didn't create, and have provided plentiful attributions for those who did create those other parts. Yet, you would lie and bullshit otherwise.
I want a clear, unambiguous statement, on video from you, admitting this fact. Because you've been lying repeatedly about me throughout this entire thread.
Oh, and thanks again for bumping the thread. ;D
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c'mon, little loser, stop stalling and
make a clear, unambiguous, boilerplate-free statement about what you claim (with respect to ownership and copyright) about the new battlesuit texture.
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Dev-HC, the only one stalling here is you. Admit the lying, because that's what you've been doing throughout the entire thread.
I see no reason to jump like a puppet on someone else's strings just because you say so. You need to be truthful, stop bullshitting and lying about others all the time. You falsely claimed that I wasn't giving attribution to others, when in truth, I had already done so. You falsely claimed that I was taking credit for 100% of all asset creation in the mod, when I had NEVER done any such thing and was VERY CLEAR in saying so. You keep lying all the time so why should anyone in their right mind care a damn about your personal opinion when all you do is LIE all the time? Hmmm?
Claiming victories that you haven't yet enjoyed is typically childish of you. When you come out and admit your blatant dishonesty throughout this entire thread, you'll be doing yourself a big favour. But you're too much of a gutless coward to admit how you lied all the time.
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Dev-HC, the only one stalling here is you.
WRONG.
Admit the lying, because that's what you've been doing throughout the entire thread.
WRONG. that's what you have been doing.
I see no reason to jump like a puppet on someone else's strings just because you say so.
it only takes a short line of text to type. you're just scared.
You falsely claimed that I wasn't giving attribution to others
WRONG. the claim was a pretty factual one: that you weren't giving the due attribution.
I had already done so.
WRONG.
You [...] claimed that I was taking credit for 100% of all asset creation in the mod
WRONG. you're lying yet again.
Claiming victories that you haven't yet enjoyed is typically childish
then do not attempt.
and to not forget the most currently-important thing:
make a clear, unambiguous, boilerplate-free statement about what you claim (with respect to ownership and copyright) about the new battlesuit texture.
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I get the feeling good old /dev/hc wants you to make a clear, unambiguous, boilerplate-free statement about what you claim (with respect to ownership and copyright) about the new battlesuit texture.
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No, what Dev-HC wants is for others to jump to his tune while he continues the same campaign of lies about what I've claimed credit for, he knows full well that I've given attribution as required and kept within the rules of copyright. I have never claimed credit for anything that I didn't do, and have given attributions aplenty - far more than I've seen in any other mod on this forum. He's a troll and nothing more, grasping at straws, or just making shit up when that doesn't work, anything to provide a thin veneer of an excuse for continued personal harassment.
When he says 'wrong' without any explanation at all as to why something is 'wrong' it's just more of the same crap that he's been shovelling throughout the thread. He's just lying all the time, and can't cite any solid evidence anywhere that I've claimed credit for 100% of the assets in the mod (previously it was "almost all" but he keeps changing his story - hard to avoid when nothing that he's claiming is based on anything real anyway) going on about 'implications' that he's simply pulled out of his arse. He's full of shit and knows it. So he's tried to bullshit and play word games at 'redefining' and made up fictions about 'implications' that have no basis in reality. He's just an ordinary troll, obsessed with personal harassment, like those common on many forums.
Other than that, Dev-HC has done a wonderful job of bumping this thread. ;D
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still reluctant to make the statement? i shall give you a few examples. choose one which most fits your belief.1 2 3
i created the battlesuit texture image (the one i packaged) practically without any reference or base, on a computer running a GNU/Linux operating system, with GIMP, a tool aspired to support the creation of license-unencumbered content. thus, i fully own the copyright to the image, and have the legal power to permit/restrict any use of the texture (but subject to local laws).
i created the battlesuit texture image (the one i packaged) using the following procedure: (1) i started out with a pre-existing CC-licensed image (of another author), (2) applied an orange color filter to the image, and (3) applied some brushing over the resulting image; i did all of this on a computer running a GNU/Linux operating system, with GIMP, but based my work on CC-licensed content, with significant amount borrowed, and on a side-note, the modified nature of my work is highly reflected in the image. thus, under the terms of the CC, i have to release the modified image under the CC license too, and give proper attribution to the original author (alongside me, credits fairly shared), at least by including a written notice of "(c) <insert_the_name_of_the_original_author_here>; this image is released under the CC-BY-SA license, version 2.5", and preferrably including the full license text.
i created the battlesuit texture image (the one i packaged) using the following procedure: (1) i started out with a pre-existing CC-licensed image (of another author), (2) applied an orange color filter to the image, and (3) applied some brushing over the resulting image; i did all of this on a computer running a GNU/Linux operating system, with GIMP, but based my work on CC-licensed content, with significant amount borrowed, and on a side-note, the modified nature of my work is highly reflected in the image. however, i am a motherfucker, and i believe that, since i've spent a considerable amount of time working on the image, i now own the copyright to the modified image, and thus, have the legal power to permit/restrict any use of the image (but subject to local laws).
1 "~samoz", pronounced "approximately-samoz", is a fictional character.
2 imagine a counter-productive, cultish modification of the exact text, where "i" and sentence-initials are capitalized, commas, hyphens and dashes are underused, and ending quotation marks are unconditionally placed after the neighboring fullstop.
3 weigh minor details less; for example, the exact operating system in use is a minor detail.
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I have never claimed that every asset in the mod was mine.
It took bloody ages to make those textures and sounds which I created, and I gave attribution already for the source of those which I did not do, they're neither 'cheap' or simply ripped off. I put hundreds of hours of work into this, but you'll have to take it or leave it for the present. I modified content certainly, that's why it's called a Mod. Every mod on this site has built upon the work of other mods before it. However, the majority of what's in this mod is the result of my hard work, not others. That's nearly every Alien sound, Human sound, all of their skins, many of the other rougher-looking textures used in the maps, and a helluva a lot of finicky re-writing of scripts to get the 'look' that I and my son desired. Attributions are written everywhere in the scripts as required by common decency. The metadata contains the name and source of the sounds. You can use the Alien sounds and Human sounds elsewhere, for other mods if you like. All of those which were made under the name OnlyTheGhosts, are mine. I made those. I give permission to use them in Unvanquished, or anywhere else, whatever. Doesn't bother me, as long as you give attribution.
There's no more copyright text in this mod than there is in most of the mods on this site, so it's not exceptional there. There are copyright texts are in the game-playing changing version of the mod, not in this non-game play changing version. Since I'm not likely to work on this mod any further for awhile, you'll have to accept this version as is. If I find the time available, MAYBE then I will include that. IF people are actually interested in using the mod.
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I see that now to continue the harassment you've chosen to reinterpret what I've already stated and try to turn it into something damning and far away from what was actually stated & meant. I've never claimed to have created anything made by another, so you're both full of bullshit. To actual size, the MImod texture for the Human Battlesuit is on the left. It's higher definition, and has been redone completely. The old Tremulous standard Human Battlesuit texture is on the right. The model they're fitted for is the same and unchanged, so the critical design features' shapes couldn't be changed.
(http://www.deviantart.com/download/416744380/battlesuit_texture_comparison_tremulous_vs_mimod_by_samuraitaiga-d6w4a0s.png?token=db6be92f46d08a1f33f56abf11c8b064c037d1a2&ts=1385765401)
Dev-HC, you've yet to admit you're lying, and I doubt that you ever will. After all, you're just a troll. I have no doubt that you'll both try to twist anything that I say into something else, or otherwise make-up bullshit pretzel-like reinterpretations to suit yourselves.
But thanks for bumping the thread. ;D
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I see that now to continue the harassment you've chosen to reinterpret what I've already stated and try to turn it into something damning and far away from what was actually stated & meant.
no, you can't read. you probably got kicked out from your english teacher job.
To actual size, the MImod texture for the Human Battlesuit is on the left. It's higher definition, and has been redone completely.
and is severely based on the original one. intentionally understating or excluding significant facts is lying. a monkey is able to perform such a transformation using GIMP. i'll include "scale" and "increase sharpness" operations in "~samoz's" description of things that he did to transform the original image to the new one. "~samoz's" first statement is removed, because it is too obviously false.
The model they're fitted for is the same and unchanged, so the critical design features' shapes couldn't be changed.
of course. insignificant.
which of the following statements reflect your case most? the remaining options are the following.
i created the battlesuit texture image (the one i packaged) using the following procedure: (1) i started out with a pre-existing CC-licensed image (of another author), (2) applied scaling and an orange color filter to the image, and (3) applied some brushing over (coloring and edging) the resulting image; i did all of this on a computer running a GNU/Linux operating system, with GIMP, but based my work on CC-licensed content, with significant amount borrowed, and on a side-note, the modified nature of my work is highly reflected in the image. thus, under the terms of the CC, i have to release the modified image under the CC license too, and give proper attribution to the original author (alongside me, credits fairly shared), at least by including a written notice of "(c) <insert_the_name_of_the_original_author_here>; this image is released under the CC-BY-SA license, version 2.5", and preferrably including the full license text.
i created the battlesuit texture image (the one i packaged) using the following procedure: (1) i started out with a pre-existing CC-licensed image (of another author), (2) applied scaling and an orange color filter to the image, and (3) applied some brushing over (coloring and edging) the resulting image; i did all of this on a computer running a GNU/Linux operating system, with GIMP, but based my work on CC-licensed content, with significant amount borrowed, and on a side-note, the modified nature of my work is highly reflected in the image. however, i am a motherfucker, and i believe that, since i've spent a considerable amount of time working on the image, i now own the copyright to the modified image, and thus, have the legal power to permit/restrict any use of the image (but subject to local laws).
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I fail to see how that texture is high-definition or "redone completely" as you claim. All it seems to me is that you've just taken the same texture, doubled the resolution, and haphazardly overlaid an orange camo texture. Redoing something completely would involve starting from scratch.
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I'm actually interested in the sounds part of it though.
SamOz, mind splitting the mod into parts like how KoR has done to their mod?
(i.e. one pk3 for sounds, one for map textures, one for model textures, one for gfx + particle systems etc.)
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you know what? i decided to actually really look at the screenshots today. fist off, i see there can be no question as to assets being plainly from stock, thus covered by CC. second, what kind of crack are they serving you in nipponland samoz? are you colorblind, by chance? do you use the "high contrast mode" accessibility option in your operating system? i really just want to know what you were thinking when you decided to go with changing everything you touch into a garish neon rendition of bloody vomit?
and the worst part about it is that you feel it is good enough to publicly share.
if you are for serious about this mod, i suggest you learn just a little bit about color theory. you'll also want to learn enough about using your image editor (and also how the skins are draped onto the models) so as to use shading filters. as they are now, they accentuate how "flat" and terrible your color choices are. the helmet is especially atrocious.
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Read the first post, RAK. I never said anywhere that the mod was 'finished'. Your personal opinion as to whether or not anything is good enough to release publicly is irrelevant. Unvanquished looked like absolute crap when it was first released, so did Tremulous, hell, so does every Quake-derived mod that I've ever seen in their first release. This isn't claimed to be a finished product from some million-dollar commercial project, and nobody is preventing you from changing whatever you like in the mod. Nor have I have ever claimed exclusive credit anywhere in the mod for the creation of any of the textures. As par for the course, from the very start it was going to obvious that RAKninja-Decepticon and /dev/humancontroller (who I call Dev-HC as a personal joke that I doubt he gets) would behave like typical trolls and engage in deceitful word-games, attempts at redefining what someone else has said to something else instead, and other bullshit for the goal of personal harassment. I never expected anything else from you. You'd insult whatever anyone else does regardless, and bring shiploads of chips-on-the-shoulder with it.
Kharnov, the textures that I replaced are all high definition which becomes clear enough when you see the mod in action, as in a game. They result in some changeable colour appearance in game too; so the dragoons for example can look pink and at other times purple or blue.
I agree the helmet still needs work, but the original is crap too. IMHO, the whole 'hair' sticking out the top bit always turned me off because it looked stupid.
The garish neon look is intentional. It's supposed to be fun, Asian-influenced, so that's a salute to the Japanese LOVE of lights on every building, those trucks with all the lights, and similar madness. As to 'colour theory', I studied it, but European and Asian ideas about colours are very different. It may be hard for many people to understand, but colour theory is influenced strongly by cultural beliefs and linguistics oriented at it's heart. The mod isn't supposed to look like it was made in your country, it's supposed to be foreign and weird and exotic. Everything is also intentionally beat-up, battered, and dirty in appearance. The whole Mirai Ikusa theme is like that; no shiny Star Trek future of plastic newness and smoothness, but really knocked-about, bloody, burnt, shot, and scratched by years of warfare.
ULTRA Random ViruS, I'll probably eventually get around to splitting up the parts like you say. It's all in one lump because it was easier for me to shift copies from one computer in my household to another that way. Most of the other mods on this forum are one big lump too.
Anyway, for everyone's information, I'll be significantly slower on the reply-to-post rate from this week for the next month or so (at least). As I stated earlier in the thread last week, I only had a few days free, and was going to be very busy from this week onward.
Thanks for the interest and bumping the thread up there. I actually hadn't expected much of any posts on the thread because the Tremulous board is so dead most of the time.
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Nor have I have ever claimed exclusive credit anywhere in the mod for the creation of any of the textures.
you're lying, you little loser.
the majority of what's in this mod is the result of my hard work, not others. That's nearly every Alien sound, Human sound, all of their skins, many of the other rougher-looking textures used in the maps, and
also, which of the following statements reflect your case most? the remaining options are the following.
i created the battlesuit texture image (the one i packaged) using the following procedure: (1) i started out with a pre-existing CC-licensed image (of another author), (2) applied scaling and an orange color filter to the image, and (3) applied some brushing over (coloring and edging) the resulting image; i did all of this on a computer running a GNU/Linux operating system, with GIMP, but based my work on CC-licensed content, with significant amount borrowed, and on a side-note, the modified nature of my work is highly reflected in the image. thus, under the terms of the CC, i have to release the modified image under the CC license too, and give proper attribution to the original author (alongside me, credits fairly shared), at least by including a written notice of "(c) <insert_the_name_of_the_original_author_here>; this image is released under the CC-BY-SA license, version 2.5", and preferrably including the full license text.
i created the battlesuit texture image (the one i packaged) using the following procedure: (1) i started out with a pre-existing CC-licensed image (of another author), (2) applied scaling and an orange color filter to the image, and (3) applied some brushing over (coloring and edging) the resulting image; i did all of this on a computer running a GNU/Linux operating system, with GIMP, but based my work on CC-licensed content, with significant amount borrowed, and on a side-note, the modified nature of my work is highly reflected in the image. however, i am a motherfucker, and i believe that, since i've spent a considerable amount of time working on the image, i now own the copyright to the modified image, and thus, have the legal power to permit/restrict any use of the image (but subject to local laws).
these apply to all skin textures, not just the battlesuit.
btw:
my son
ie., volt?
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read what we are actually typing to you samoz. according to your actions, and both american (original license) and international copyright law agrees that when you publish something, you claim it as your own original work, except where you give proper attribution. what attribution you released under was not proper or sufficient. furthermore, as i have kept quoting back to you, you have indeed claimed undue credit and ownership of the assets in question. what you have done is intentionally misled the end user, or in other words, you have lied.
do not defend yourself from constructive criticism. that just makes you look like a petulant shit. your entire defense is irrelevant. first, if it were a finished product, why would i be giving you suggestions for improvement? other projects are not applicable, we are not discussing them. that your mod does not have a multi-million dollar budget has no bearing.... do you really want your name connected with a bunch of trash that appears to not have any effort at all put into it? that i can mod your mod is irrelevant. if i wanted to visually mod stock tremulous, i would have done so or would still be doing so.
as to the helmet, i was comparing yours to stock. if the stock helmet looks like shit, yours looks like something worse than shit.
oh, and speaking of lying, as you seem to love to do. i doubt you'd guess i'd come haunt your topic with disparaging comments, we parted on fairly good terms as i recall.
edit: re:bumps - aside from one topic getting sporadic posts (due to mg resources shutting down), the next most recent topic was last posted in in october. the next most recent topic was active in march.
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Dev-HC and Rak, you should BOTH learn to read what I've typed and stick to the actual meanings of the words, not your own-self-serving re-definitions and wacky "implications" made-up out of loony re-interpretations of the English language.
None of the options you gave are correct either. You're using a very typical troll tactic; suggest a limited number of insulting options none of which are actually applicable and probably totally untrue, and refuse to accept what's been stated already. Simply C&P repeating the same lying crapola that you both have posted already doesn't make your crapola any more true. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, your personal views as to whether some element of the mod looks good or not, really don't matter a damn to anyone except yourselves. You began with your first Troll posts to this thread with rants of personal abuse, so your credibility on the subject of what's nice and what's nasty are irrelevant. Besides, I made the mod first of all for my son, not for you two weirdos.
As for calling your tirades of silly childish insults "constructive criticism", that's laughable! You definitely haven't got a CLUE what the term means, nor the requirements that go with it.
I'm not the one who's trying to claim that someone else is 'claiming credit' for every asset in the mod, you two nutty trolls are. Since the truth is that I'm not claiming exclusive credit for anything at all, and that I've given attributions, kept the legal copyrights as they should be, and only added CC-by for my own contributions - without detracting from anyone else's one iota - you're both only recyling and repeating the same outright blatant bare-faced lies when you make any claim to the contrary. Dushan once referred to you as a pair of retards, at this present time after seeing what you've posted throughout this thread, I'm inclined to agree with him.
No, Dev-HC, most people who've been paying attention for years - obviously not you, since you live in a dirty little place and rarely know what fresh air is - already know that my son is not Volt. My son is known in the Tremulous games on the servers that he plays on as "Samurai Cat". He recently turned 16. If you've played on F, W, X, or in any of the previous operating KoRx mod servers, you would likely have encountered him on occasion.
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Dushan once referred to you as a pair of retards, at this present time after seeing what you've posted throughout this thread, I'm inclined to agree with him.
Dushan was, as his name suggests, a douche.
Probably still is come to think of it.
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Dushan once referred to you as a pair of retards, at this present time after seeing what you've posted throughout this thread, I'm inclined to agree with him.
Dushan was, as his name suggests, a douche.
Probably still is come to think of it.
Dushan is a brilliant coder who deserves praise for the work he did on OpenWolf, from which the Daemon Engine used by Unvanquished is a fork. Take whatever you've been told otherwise with a shipload of salt until you've researched the events in the raw reality of what happened, not through the filter of others' opinions from the opposing side of any argument.
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stick to the actual meanings of the words
the full meaning of an act does not come from the sum of the meanings of words posted in connection with the act, you fucktard.
None of the options you gave are correct either.
fucktard! i asked you to explain yourself thoroughly. you refused to answer. i gave you several options, and asked you to choose the one that most fits your case (in case you were tired "typing", though it's obvious that you had plenty of free time and energy, which you used on ignoring me). you continued to ignore me. now, you're saying that the options are bad.
You're using a very typical troll tactic
WRONG. you're faggingly ignoring almost all questions/"injunctions" that significantly expose the bitter facts about you, and you're continuing to repeat that we're lying, without giving any proof whatsoever, except that you say that "a proof can be assembled somehow, somewhere from this thread". you're even picking a set of words in latter posts that i've used shortly before you (eg., "unfounded"), and you're retorting with arguments that should be used against you (eg., "you're unable to bring up a quote"). what a fuckface. also, you're WRONGly thinking that facts i present become non-facts or lies as a result of me stating a specific fact about you, in various forms: you're a cocktwiddling dickface.
refuse to accept what's been stated already
i have no idea whever you want to accept the fact that we've pointed out your acts of anti-humanity, but you don't have a choice.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
delusion is in the mind of samoz.
your credibility on the subject of what's nice and what's nasty are irrelevant
we may be credible or incredible, but facts stand with or without us in the picture. we're just positioning them here so that, among other things, they can embarrass you.
"constructive criticism", that's laughable!
ind33d. we're here not to convert the currently-assfaced samoz, we're here to destroy him it.1
I'm not the one who's trying to claim that someone else is 'claiming credit' for every asset in the mod
you're not trying, you did.
the truth is that I'm not claiming exclusive credit for anything at all
WRONG.
I've given attributions, kept the legal copyrights as they should be
WRONG.
and only added CC-by for my own contributions
so you now confess that you have brought it to mind that you've neglected to add the CC-BY-SA licensing for others' contributions?
lies
you, your mom and your son.
Dev-HC, most people who've been paying attention for years - obviously not you
you don't deserve any attention, except if it's for conducting defence against you.
he plays on as "Samurai Cat".
would that happen to be an alias of the fagbag called hermxiv?
He recently turned 16.
who gives a shit? plzdiekthxbye.
Dushan is a brilliant coder
WRONG. he got kicked out of the TremZ/Unvanquished development team due to his crappy, buggy and unreadable code, and his inability to learn.
1 "it" suggests that samoz is not worthy of being called a human
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Dev-HC, it is doubtful that you have an honest bone in your entire body. I have not removed the copyright documentation or attributions of anyone whose work is also included in the mod. Your attempts at changing and redefining what others say for your own convenience for the purpose of further personal harassment instead destroy your credibility. You loudly proclaim *fact* as if it were some rubbery jelly that you can remake on a whim. ::)
All code for multi-mb software has bugs initially. Dushan was not kicked out of TremZ/Unvanquished, he left the TremZ Project originally on his own initiative due to the unwarranted trolling from the likes of idiots such as you. He then returned after a few people asked him to return and apologised for the bad behaviour of trolling morons (unfortunately a plague in the Tremulous community far more common than those of most other game communities that I have dealt with). You remind me of those media liars for the USA government who love to promote twisted lies about recent history, perhaps you copy your bullshit style from them?
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You remind me of Baghdad Bob. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Saeed_al-Sahhaf)
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I have not removed the copyright documentation or attributions of anyone whose work is also included in the mod.
WRONG. and you should have added more.
All code for multi-mb software has bugs initially.
of course. sometimes there are just a few bugs in 100s of changes; but sometimes every 2nd change introduces bugs, dushbugs so to say.
Dushan was not kicked out of TremZ/Unvanquished, he left the TremZ Project originally on his own initiative due to the unwarranted trolling from the likes of idiots such as you.
WRONG. don't tell me you really believe whatever he tells you.
He then returned after a few people asked him to return and apologised for the bad behaviour of trolling morons
WRONG, AFAIG -- he was out of the development team (called "Unvanquished Development" or something at the time) when i left, and he probably still is. during all that time, he was part of the famous volt–dushbag–hermxiv–samoz copyrip squad.
You remind me of those media liars for the USA government who love to promote twisted lies about recent history, perhaps you copy your bullshit style from them?
the above is typical samoz bullshit.
note to others: oh look, samoz silently updated the package.
for reference, SHA1 (zzz-mimod322-ngp.pk3) = 59214e58c21aae8e2530195ee92db9e0dee2eb49.
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oh look, in the newest version of the package, a shitload of sounds and textures got removed (relative to the previous package), and some copyright information was added. this is a partial victory. and now, let's look at some of the sounds that have existed and still exist in the package. you claim full copyright for these. tell me, what was the process under which you "created" these sounds (note to others: uploaded for review; WARNING: beware of the copyright pitfalls of these files; do not post your findings yet, but wait a while):
- sound/player/human_base/falling1.wav
- sound/player/human_base/gib.wav
- models/weapons/level1/impactflesh0.wav
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Dev-HC and Rak, you should BOTH learn to read what I've typed and stick to the actual meanings of the words, not your own-self-serving re-definitions and wacky "implications" made-up out of loony re-interpretations of the English language.
show me where i've changed definitions.
None of the options you gave are correct either. You're using a very typical troll tactic; suggest a limited number of insulting options none of which are actually applicable and probably totally untrue, and refuse to accept what's been stated already. Simply C&P repeating the same lying crapola that you both have posted already doesn't make your crapola any more true. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, your personal views as to whether some element of the mod looks good or not, really don't matter a damn to anyone except yourselves. You began with your first Troll posts to this thread with rants of personal abuse, so your credibility on the subject of what's nice and what's nasty are irrelevant. Besides, I made the mod first of all for my son, not for you two weirdos.
refute it with proof if there are untruths. my first posts were not personal abuse. in fact, none of my posts are personal abuse, in this thread. lastly, when you post something publicly, especially on a board that specifically allows criticism, you invite comment. basically, if you cant take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
As for calling your tirades of silly childish insults "constructive criticism", that's laughable! You definitely haven't got a CLUE what the term means, nor the requirements that go with it.
only one of my posts was not copyright related, and was constructive criticism (it's constructive because i did not just say something was not up to standard, but also provided opinions on how to improve).
I'm not the one who's trying to claim that someone else is 'claiming credit' for every asset in the mod, you two nutty trolls are. Since the truth is that I'm not claiming exclusive credit for anything at all, and that I've given attributions, kept the legal copyrights as they should be, and only added CC-by for my own contributions - without detracting from anyone else's one iota - you're both only recyling and repeating the same outright blatant bare-faced lies when you make any claim to the contrary. Dushan once referred to you as a pair of retards, at this present time after seeing what you've posted throughout this thread, I'm inclined to agree with him.
are you trying to portray yourself as an illiterate idiot? almost every fucking post i've told you how you did indeed claim undue credit, and have even quoted you taking undue credit. you have not addressed my points other than sobbing that i am lying, without bothering to actually provide anything to refute my claims.
also, amazing how dushan claimed something about me when i have never really had any direct contact with him at all. you, however, have. you are more qualified to make some sort of opinion about me than he, and you know better. you're just lumping me in together with dev/hc as you have been this entire thread. i suspect this is because i am agreeing with him rather than you. i am not using the same methods as he is. you'll notice if you look back, i have not been personally insulting to you.
edit: also, if you think we are trolling, please refer to my sig.
edit2 electric boogaloo: hey, dev/hc, i've figured out why he keeps claiming you said he claimed all assets as his own... _I_ am the one who did that. several times. i think he sincerely believes we are the same person.
i'd also like to take the time this edit to correct a mistake of mine in the post above - i claimed only one of my posts in this thread was not copyright related. i was wrong, i had completely forgotten i jumped into this mess because his misuse of the term "ad hominem" really irritated me. i'll leave the statement as it is, so no one thinks im trying to cover up my mistake or anything.
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I believe the full unedited IRC chat logs and cache files, not the crap that you idiots like to say make yourselves look 'clean' of all guilt and malice. I also did a lot of my investigation, independently.
Anyone reading the thread can see you trying desperately to redefine meanings, draw 'implications' of your arse and whatever nonsense goes through your skulls. You do it all the time. You're into revisionism even about your past actions, denying what's right there in front of everyone. Your posts have been personal abuse of one kind or another throughout. Dev-HC began with a tirade of abuse, and you later supported the bullshit accusations and lies that Dev-HC was spouting in that first post. You're both TROLLS.
Are you illiterate, Rak-whateveryournameis? The attributions are there. I mention the inspirations as well. Whose ideas helped. In the metadata of the sounds, there is often detailed explanation of how a sound was created and from where the samples came from. More attributions than I've seen in any other mod posted on this site.
You want people to jump through hoops for no good reason, and you lie all the time about the reasons that you do give.
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I believe the full unedited IRC chat logs and cache files, not the crap that you idiots like to say make yourselves look 'clean' of all guilt and malice. I also did a lot of my investigation, independently.
Anyone reading the thread can see you trying desperately to redefine meanings, draw 'implications' of your arse and whatever nonsense goes through your skulls. You do it all the time. You're into revisionism even about your past actions, denying what's right there in front of everyone. Your posts have been personal abuse of one kind or another throughout. Dev-HC began with a tirade of abuse, and you later supported the bullshit accusations and lies that Dev-HC was spouting in that first post. You're both TROLLS.
Are you illiterate, Rak-whateveryournameis? The attributions are there. I mention the inspirations as well. Whose ideas helped. In the metadata of the sounds, there is often detailed explanation of how a sound was created and from where the samples came from. More attributions than I've seen in any other mod posted on this site.
You want people to jump through hoops for no good reason, and you lie all the time about the reasons that you do give.
WRONG. 'nuff said.
you continue to ignore the key request, which is to tell, here, truthfully (you've only lied up to this point) ("truthfully" implies: regarding the version of the package at the time of the original request), everything you know about
- sound/player/human_base/falling1.wav
- sound/player/human_base/gib.wav
- models/weapons/level1/impactflesh0.wav
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If the sound file doesn't have my name on it in the metadata, then it's not something that I was involved in making. That's bloody obvious isn't it? It has to have OnlyTheGhosts in the metadata, as already stated in the first post of this thread. I haven't lied about a damn thing, but you two morons have been making shit up about what I've previously stated, tried to play word games and twist things around to claim that I saying something OTHER than what I actually said, and tried to pull imaginary "implications" out of nothing.
Are you now trying to pretend that I claimed credit for making stuff that doesn't have my name on it in the metadata, nor is stated as being solely made by me anywhere in the documentation? You're an idiot.
I don't really have the time to debate with you two lying twits, and that's exactly what you are.
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I believe the full unedited IRC chat logs and cache files, not the crap that you idiots like to say make yourselves look 'clean' of all guilt and malice. I also did a lot of my investigation, independently.
Anyone reading the thread can see you trying desperately to redefine meanings, draw 'implications' of your arse and whatever nonsense goes through your skulls. You do it all the time. You're into revisionism even about your past actions, denying what's right there in front of everyone. Your posts have been personal abuse of one kind or another throughout. Dev-HC began with a tirade of abuse, and you later supported the bullshit accusations and lies that Dev-HC was spouting in that first post. You're both TROLLS.
Are you illiterate, Rak-whateveryournameis? The attributions are there. I mention the inspirations as well. Whose ideas helped. In the metadata of the sounds, there is often detailed explanation of how a sound was created and from where the samples came from. More attributions than I've seen in any other mod posted on this site.
You want people to jump through hoops for no good reason, and you lie all the time about the reasons that you do give.
"unedited IRC logs"? i dont even use irc you clod. furthermore, when i edit my posts, a disclaimer is automatically added to the post notifying the world that it has been edited. i personally also leave a little note in the post explaining the edit. you cannot show me where i have shifted definitions or deliberately told an untruth... because i have not. the one case where i have caught myself making a statement that is not correct, i left a note explaining my error... it was last post. i have not been discussing implications, i have been discussing what you have done and said. i have shown you where you have lied. you will not quote me because you can not find a post of mine that supports your accusations. if you think we are trolls, again i refer you to my signature here.
you NOW have a modicum of attribution. again, METADATA IS NOT PROPER ATTRIBUTION. furthermore, STOCK TREMULOUS SOUNDS ARE COPYRIGHT HELL, YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY GIVE PROPER ATTRIBUTION.
finally, ACCORDING TO BOTH JAPANESE AND INTERNATIONAL COPYRIGHT LAW, PUBLISHING SOMETHING GIVES YOU DEFACTO COPYRIGHT. BY RELEASING WITHOUT PROPER ATTRIBUTION, YOU BECOME A COPYRIP THIEF, JUST LIKE DEV/HC ACCUSED YOU TO BE.
i hope you actually read the boldened and/or underlined text above. you've been ignoring these key points all thread.
edit: fixed mangled bbcode. for some reason, when i bolden and underline, i am not required to close both tags out, only one.
edit2, the revenge: if we are so wrong about this whole deal, why did you remove assets, and then add attribution for others? the answer: we are right, and you know it.
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METADATA IS NOT PROPER ATTRIBUTION
shh, don't tell anyone, but there's hardly any metadata in his package, even, and neither of the existing ones contain attribution statements and licensing information.
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"unedited IRC logs"?
He likes to pretend that TremZ died because of some conspiracy against them and that they were innocent all along and that they were completely misunderstood and that all the charges against them were faked. This is about as far from the truth as you can possibly imagine, but this is SamOz you're dealing with here. Look at this entire thread for an example of 'debating' the guy.
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red alert ! the package got silently updated again ! another shitload of textures got deleted.
for reference, SHA1(zzz-mimod323-ngp.pk3) = 2a7df2dde14c95993e2fbfde93612ad4ff40262b.
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Look at this entire thread for an example of 'debating' the guy.
you know it's bad when you say this to me, and not about me.
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"unedited IRC logs"?
He likes to pretend that TremZ died because of some conspiracy against them and that they were innocent all along and that they were completely misunderstood and that all the charges against them were faked. This is about as far from the truth as you can possibly imagine, but this is SamOz you're dealing with here. Look at this entire thread for an example of 'debating' the guy.
It's fascinating to see how huge that chip is on your shoulder, you resort to lying about what I've often said as well. That shouldn't surprise anyone that you would do so.
TremZ died because of a dispute between Dushan and Herm. Herm closed the website and repos, that was the end of it. I've said this for months. Pay attention to the reality of what people actually say, not whatever crap you've got in that wild imagination of yours.
The package for the mod was updated to try and get the size down a bit. Big deal, so what? Did I say ANYWHERE that all improvement must stop? LOL
A bunch of nutty trolls spouting shit about me doesn't make any of your shit true. It remains crappy smelly stuff that stinks of lies and twisted word games. BOLDing it in BIG CAPITALS doesn't make your bullshit any less than being bullshit either; apparently now you have a problem because I never claimed credit for those 3 sound tracks (not in the metadata, not in the CCs, bloody well NOWHERE that you can point out) but you still want to pretend that I'm in breach of copyright despite NOT CLAIMING any credit for those particular sounds?! You nutters are INSANE! LMAO. You really just try to make up shit. All I see is a pair of lying idiots who want to make a hurricane out of thin air, not even bothering with needing a teacup in the first place to make trouble about. I won't bother repeating myself, you twits are soooooo very typical of the bad side of the Tremulous community, always trying to make up excuses for trolling, desperately lying outright waaaaaay too often. Apparently, when someone else makes a mod, there's no worries at all, when I make one that has all the legal documentation and attributions necessary - and you haven't shown anything credible yet to show otherwise - that's a big problem for you. You have to lie about what the fantastically illusory (only in your own heads) "implications" are, or bullshit with wordgame manipulations to pretend that when I say one thing, that I supposely "really" mean something else. What a load of BS. ::)
Regardless, thanks for keeping the thread right up the top.
Tremulous has a sucky horrid community filled with far too many trolls, that's the true reason the game has been dying.
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Please tell me more about how you upgraded your engine to "C+" and C++.
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WHOSE engine?
I'm not Dushan or DerSaidin. They worked most on OpenWolf until the middle of last year, ask them.
So, is all this codswallop from you lying SOBs is just because you STILL want to troll people who were part of TremZ? No surprises there.
Congratulations; the trolls just like you idiots ensured that the tremulous community were left with two choices, an outdated and buggy game with a dying community, or a newer but still horribly buggy game with a tiny community and even less activity even than GPP these days. Great job, trolls, you continually manage to kill the game's fun for the majority. You're not interested in any new mods, any new ideas, any new ways. You've proven that despite all denials, you're only interested in excuses to troll.
Anyone else who is interested in researching what really happened in that dispute, should search for the cache files and UNEDITED chats from IRC (selectively edited versions being always one-sided and very doubtful).
This mod has ZERO to do with that ancient history. You only reveal your true lack of any kind of credibility.
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You only reveal your hilarious capacity to respond to everything I say with ten times the words.
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I've seen more meaningful & relevant comments with less words on twitter posts, try harder K. Perhaps you can refute the points at least - or like Dev-HC and Rak-whatever like to do, just pretend to have made a point while disregarding the facts entirely.
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Thank you for bumping my thread, please keep it up.
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Mine, actually. My name is on the top. Truth apparently is irrelevant to you on the most minor of points as well.
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No, this is my thread now. Good luck.
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you resort to lying about what I've often said as well. That shouldn't surprise anyone that you would do so.
i finally understand samoz's retarded language: anyone pointing out where samoz is WRONG is immediately, by definition, obviously lying.
TremZ died because of a dispute between Dushan and Herm. Herm closed the website and repos, that was the end of it.
that's the only thing your narrow vision could see. whether there was any particular dispute is irrelevant. the most significant component of the reason for why TremZ died is because we made sure that the the volt--samoz--hermxiv--dushbag squad wouldn't get their deceptions (eg., claiming that they have a shitload of development teams (or "Development Teams", rather), with plenty of members in each) and lies (eg., claiming that they have genuine, ripoff-free assets) across.
the majority of what's in this mod is the result of my hard work, not others. That's nearly every Alien sound, Human sound,
I never claimed credit for those 3 sound tracks
oh look, what a totally random coincidence,1 i have managed to select a few sounds that do not fall into the "nearly every" category.
The metadata contains the name and source of the sounds.
orly. what does the metadata of the said 3 sounds say?
Tremulous has a sucky horrid community filled with far too many trolls, that's the true reason the game has been dying.
and the need for TROLL(TM)s is an opensource-copyright infringer every now and then, eg., volt, you, hermxiv, etc..
1 NOT
fact: you're deluded.
fact: you're trying to make it seem like you've proven something.
fact: you're disregarding facts.
fact: you're lying.
fact: you're WRONG.
proof: this thread -- QED.
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with time, the amount of content that is still "potentially samoz's work" will converge (from "nearly every") to 0.
now, other viewers are advised to listen to sample sounds (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=17394.msg237213#msg237213) from the package, and to see if they can recognize the true source of the sounds.
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\ apparently now you have a problem because I never claimed credit for those 3 sound tracks (not in the metadata, not in the CCs, bloody well NOWHERE that you can point out) but you still want to pretend that I'm in breach of copyright despite NOT CLAIMING any credit for those particular sounds?!
samoz, for the upteenth time, i am not dev/hc.
samoz, for the upteenth time, publication "counts" as "claiming credit".
samoz, i am RAK, and YOU show ME where ive said something other than "those sounds are in rights hell and no one should use them, they cannot possibly be properly attributed"
WHOSE engine?
I'm not Dushan or DerSaidin. They worked most on OpenWolf until the middle of last year, ask them.
So, is all this codswallop from you lying SOBs is just because you STILL want to troll people who were part of TremZ? No surprises there.
Congratulations; the trolls just like you idiots ensured that the tremulous community were left with two choices, an outdated and buggy game with a dying community, or a newer but still horribly buggy game with a tiny community and even less activity even than GPP these days. Great job, trolls, you continually manage to kill the game's fun for the majority. You're not interested in any new mods, any new ideas, any new ways. You've proven that despite all denials, you're only interested in excuses to troll.
Anyone else who is interested in researching what really happened in that dispute, should search for the cache files and UNEDITED chats from IRC (selectively edited versions being always one-sided and very doubtful).
This mod has ZERO to do with that ancient history. You only reveal your true lack of any kind of credibility.
samoz, you are defending volt. this is the guy for whom proper attribution was too hard, so he changed the name of the project. think about that for a minute.
point of fact, i am interested in new mods and ideas. i am interested enough to harangue someone about copyright if they are not up to snuff. ive even been nice enough to not call you on this mod being a "half cheat". making all players pop against the background with garish colors is in spirit the same as adding footstep sounds to the basi.
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summoning jutsu has worked, a wild volt appears. :police:
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Devhc <3 DON'T JEALOUS ME!!
Thank you for bumping my thread, please keep it up.
I believe this is now my thread.
Drama for all, drama for all!
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samoz, for the upteenth time, publication "counts" as "claiming credit".
Releasing a mod on the internet does NOT legally equate to claiming credit for the creation of EVERY asset in the mod, MORON. Neither are there any documents in the mod stating that I claim credit for everything in the mod, nor are there claims by me in any posts on this thread claiming credit for everything in the mod. You keep up the BS and look dumber repeatedly. Your imaginary redefining of the laws and agreements regarding licenses have not changed the real world one iota.
The only reason that you "harangue" anybody is because you apparently get kicks out of trolling, evidenced by your very specific action as neither of you two nutty trolls are trying to stir shit about all of those other mods released on this forum which neither include any attribution nor give credit, or at best provide very little and have almost no relevant documentation. Yet, you wish to pretend that I am somehow worthy of special attention. It's obvious that you are both crazy loons out to lie and spout crap like a tag-team sitting on each other's lap.
By the way, your truly hallucinatory comment about basi implies that you play a very different Tremulous game from the vanilla version, since the humans stand-out like sore thumbs anyway. Either that, or in the games you've played, humans have a habit of trying to find odd patches of green-grey wall on ATCS to hide near for camouflage. I've never seen any such walls that match their uniforms; can you provide screenshots of this weirdness that you seem to be pretending exists?
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Releasing a mod on the internet does NOT legally equate to claiming credit for the creation of EVERY asset in the mod
however, the following does equate to legally claiming credit for the creation of most (in any case, a lot more than permissible) assets in the mod:
the majority of what's in this mod is the result of my hard work, not others. That's nearly every Alien sound, Human sound, all of their skins, many of the other rougher-looking textures used in the maps
furthermore, additional confirmation of claim-of-copyright is given by the fact that there is practically no metadata in the files (where attribution or copyright statements are supposedly required, it is claimed that
The metadata contains the name and source of the sounds.
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and now, it's time to reveal the true sources of the sample sounds (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=17394.msg237213#msg237213) from the package.
- sound/player/human_base/falling1.wav: this is a slightly-sped-up modification of the Sarge falling sound from Quake 3.
- sound/player/human_base/gib.wav: this is an exact copy of the gibbing sound of zombies, imps from Doom 2.
as i said, as time move on, it will become more and more apparent that samoz is just another side of the volt-samoz-hermxiv-dushbag ripoff squad.
- (models/weapons/level1/impactflesh0.wav: i haven't definitely recognized this one yet, but it resembles something from the Avernum series.)
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samoz, for the upteenth time, publication "counts" as "claiming credit".
Releasing a mod on the internet does NOT legally equate to claiming credit for the creation of EVERY asset in the mod, MORON.
yes, it does.
Neither are there any documents in the mod stating that I claim credit for everything in the mod, nor are there claims by me in any posts on this thread claiming credit for everything in the mod.
there does not need to be. yes, there is. dev/hc quoted it above.
You keep up the BS and look dumber repeatedly. Your imaginary redefining of the laws and agreements regarding licenses have not changed the real world one iota.
talking to yourself?
The only reason that you "harangue" anybody is because you apparently get kicks out of trolling, evidenced by your very specific action as neither of you two nutty trolls are trying to stir shit about all of those other mods released on this forum which neither include any attribution nor give credit, or at best provide very little and have almost no relevant documentation. Yet, you wish to pretend that I am somehow worthy of special attention.
you dont know why i do anything. other mods are not in question here, yours is.
It's obvious that you are both crazy loons out to lie and spout crap like a tag-team sitting on each other's lap.
you have no clue what you're talking about.
By the way, your truly hallucinatory comment about basi implies that you play a very different Tremulous game from the vanilla version, since the humans stand-out like sore thumbs anyway. Either that, or in the games you've played, humans have a habit of trying to find odd patches of green-grey wall on ATCS to hide near for camouflage. I've never seen any such walls that match their uniforms; can you provide screenshots of this weirdness that you seem to be pretending exists?
play something other than atcs, dick.
also, you could not show proof of my supposed lying and word twisting... because there was none. that makes you a liar.
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It's amazing how stupid you must think everyone else is, Rak-whatever
Putting some mod, or any file at all, for that matter, up online is NOT, and NEVER has been equal to legally claiming that you made the whole thing. You're an idiot and a liar. If you put up the whole game of Tremulous online at a dropbox, that doesn't equal to you pretending to have made the whole game; you have to misrepresent credit by stating at the start that you made it all, your bullshit otherwise has no legal standing. According to your insanity, if someone posts up a collection of photos by their mother, stating that it's a collection of photos by their mother, you're going to claim that the poster is claiming credit for taking every one of the photos even though the poster already stated that those photos were taken by their mother. OMG! You really are incredibly braindead. The law doesn't see it that way either. Neither do most sane people.
Dev-HC can mislead and misquote and lie to the end of the world, it does not change the fact that I have NEVER claimed credit for making every damn thing in the mod. You two twits are both lying so much, I suspect that you've lost track of what reality is. There is nothing that I've created in the mod that's in breach of copyright laws, despite your wild misrepresentations of the laws. It's plainly a fan work, being stated at the start as being a mod, and it's easily recognised as non-commercial, with plentiful attributions, no disregard of previous credit. You two lying a*holes have been shovelling BS since the beginning of the thread, with clearly no honest intentions at all; your motivation for personal abuse was exposed already.
A sound from another quake mod, which I have NEVER claimed to have made, and has metadata stating it's from a quake mod or another person is NOT and NEVER has been evidence that I claimed to have made it falsely; because you stupid lying pair of losers, I never claimed to have made those particular sounds, as was made VERY CLEAR at the start, ONLY those sounds which have the name "OnlyTheGhosts" were made by me. I never claimed otherwise. The 'falling' wav sound and zombie sound don't have that name on them, and I never claimed credit for them. Dev-HC is misrepresenting reality and spouting crap through the keyboard yet again. Dev-HC is so desperate to find 'evidence', he outright lies all the damn time. You're getting to be more than just ridiculous, Dev-HC, now you want to play silly childish games of 'Let's Pretend' that SamOz claimed credit for a sound which SamOz never actually claim credit for. I made only the sounds which have the name OnlyTheGhosts in the metadata, I stated this in the first post, but you have to lie and pretend that I was claiming credit for everything in the mod anyway. Geez, you're a brainless little liar, Dev-HC.
Your bullshit is getting quite bizarre.
And, by the way, Rak-whatever, I referred to the standard maps, not just ATCS - but you're too full of shit to be able to back your crap. The humans have always been highly visible in the game. They are NOT camouflaged to fit in, and never have been. The faux military look of khaki stands out like a sore thumb on every standard map. None of the standard maps have that colour scheme anywhere.
Thanks again for bumping the thread.
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But you're bumping your own thread?
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But you're bumping your own thread?
Whose thread? Make up your mind, K.
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You're crazy.
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It's amazing how stupid you must think everyone else is, Rak-whatever
Putting some mod, or any file at all, for that matter, up online is NOT, and NEVER has been equal to legally claiming that you made the whole thing. You're an idiot and a liar. If you put up the whole game of Tremulous online at a dropbox, that doesn't equal to you pretending to have made the whole game; you have to misrepresent credit by stating at the start that you made it all, your bullshit otherwise has no legal standing. According to your insanity, if someone posts up a collection of photos by their mother, stating that it's a collection of photos by their mother, you're going to claim that the poster is claiming credit for taking every one of the photos even though the poster already stated that those photos were taken by their mother. OMG! You really are incredibly braindead. The law doesn't see it that way either. Neither do most sane people.
see: "Tremulous 2" aka tremz.
Dev-HC can mislead and misquote and lie to the end of the world, it does not change the fact that I have NEVER claimed credit for making every damn thing in the mod. You two twits are both lying so much, I suspect that you've lost track of what reality is. There is nothing that I've created in the mod that's in breach of copyright laws, despite your wild misrepresentations of the laws. It's plainly a fan work, being stated at the start as being a mod, and it's easily recognised as non-commercial, with plentiful attributions, no disregard of previous credit. You two lying a*holes have been shovelling BS since the beginning of the thread, with clearly no honest intentions at all; your motivation for personal abuse was exposed already.
you are more batshit insane than an autistic deviantart drama queen.
A sound from another quake mod, which I have NEVER claimed to have made, and has metadata stating it's from a quake mod or another person is NOT and NEVER has been evidence that I claimed to have made it falsely; because you stupid lying pair of losers, I never claimed to have made those particular sounds, as was made VERY CLEAR at the start, ONLY those sounds which have the name "OnlyTheGhosts" were made by me. I never claimed otherwise. The 'falling' wav sound and zombie sound don't have that name on them, and I never claimed credit for them. Dev-HC is misrepresenting reality and spouting crap through the keyboard yet again. Dev-HC is so desperate to find 'evidence', he outright lies all the damn time. You're getting to be more than just ridiculous, Dev-HC, now you want to play silly childish games of 'Let's Pretend' that SamOz claimed credit for a sound which SamOz never actually claim credit for. I made only the sounds which have the name OnlyTheGhosts in the metadata, I stated this in the first post, but you have to lie and pretend that I was claiming credit for everything in the mod anyway. Geez, you're a brainless little liar, Dev-HC.
quote my lies. i triple dog dare you.
Your bullshit is getting quite bizarre.
no, it's a quite simple circular argument.
And, by the way, Rak-whatever, I referred to the standard maps, not just ATCS - but you're too full of shit to be able to back your crap. The humans have always been highly visible in the game. They are NOT camouflaged to fit in, and never have been. The faux military look of khaki stands out like a sore thumb on every standard map. None of the standard maps have that colour scheme anywhere.
they do not blend for the most part, nor do they pop, as your work does. your work is like "high contrast" mode. "here, have the bright shiney target to aim at!"
Thanks again for bumping the thread.
anytime :granger:
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Putting some mod, or any file at all, for that matter, up online is NOT, and NEVER has been equal to legally claiming that you made the whole thing.
irrelevant. putting something presented as "<insert_your_name_here>'s <insert_your_thing_here>", coupled with statements such as "most of the work inside is mine" does equate to claiming ownership of each part by default.
You're an idiot and a liar.
WRONG.
you have to misrepresent credit by stating at the start that you made it all
or at least that you made most (when in fact you haven't).
According to your insanity
WRONG.
if someone posts up a collection of photos by their mother, stating that it's a collection of photos by their mother, you're going to claim that the poster is claiming credit for taking every one of the photos even though the poster already stated that those photos were taken by their mother.
WRONG.
You really are incredibly braindead.
WRONG.
The law doesn't see it that way either.
yes; thus, you're WRONG.
Neither do most sane people.
yes; thus, you're WRONG.
Dev-HC can mislead and misquote and lie to the end of the world
yes, the almighty /dev/humancontroller has such a unique ability. you have yet to see it in action.
it does not change the fact that I have NEVER claimed credit for making every damn thing in the mod.
it does not change the fact that you have claimed credit for making most of the things in the mod.
You two twits are both lying
WRONG.
you've lost track of what reality is.
WRONG.
There is nothing that I've created in the mod that's in breach of copyright laws
yeah, it's the things that you didn't create (but included in the package and presented as your own) that is in breach of copyright laws. even laws are mostly irrelevant, because anti-fuckface conventions are more significant.
It's plainly a fan work
read: a remix of attribution-stripped content from the net.
with plentiful attributions
WRONG.
no disregard of previous credit
WRONG.
You two lying a*holes have been shovelling BS since the beginning of the thread
WRONG.
with clearly no honest intentions
WRONG.
your motivation for personal abuse was exposed already.
abuse of fuckfaces, that is.
A sound from another quake mod, which I have NEVER claimed to have made
WRONG.
has metadata
WRONG.
you stupid lying pair of losers
WRONG.
sounds which have the name "OnlyTheGhosts" were made by me.
what about sounds that don't have any metadata, ie., most files, such as those that are in the "most human sounds and most alien sounds" group? face it: these fall into the default interpretation: you've claimed ownership, and now you're trying to make it appear otherwise.
I never claimed credit for them.
WRONG.
Dev-HC is misrepresenting reality and spouting crap through the keyboard yet again.
WRONG.
he outright lies all the damn time
WRONG.
You're getting to be more than just ridiculous
WRONG.
now you want to play silly childish games of 'Let's Pretend' that SamOz claimed credit for a sound which SamOz never actually claim credit for.
WRONG.
I made only the sounds which have the name OnlyTheGhosts in the metadata, I stated this in the first post
and also that you've made most aliens sounds and most human sounds.
but you have to lie and pretend that I was claiming credit for everything in the mod anyway.
WRONG.
you're a brainless little liar
WRONG.
Your bullshit is getting quite bizarre.
WRONG.
did i mention that samoz is WRONG?
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Dev-HC, you continually reveal extreme and deep ignorance of copyright laws. Copyright law does not go by your wacky lunatic and stunningly ignorant assumptions of claims of ownership of the whole by 'default'. The author of a work, even without making any copyright claim in documentary form, is considered to only be responsible and credited for the work that they did, and not any other work that their part may be packaged with. It never says anywhere that an author claims credit for the whole of a work that is produced by others, regardless of whether that author created 1% or 99% of the whole. They're only responsible for their bit, and nothing more. That's also how most normal, sane, commonsense people see it too; obviously, you're not counted among any of those, but are among the weirdo kind of nutter who doesn't know a damn thing about legality and so you just spout crap like any other dumbass troll on the internet.
I've yet to see you show that most of the new sounds for the aliens and humans were not made by me (under the name OnlyTheGhosts), instead you've just bullshitted about claims of credit for stuff which I have NEVER actually claimed credit for. You keep proving that you're a liar as well as an idiot. I also haven't stripped attribution, there's way more attribution than any of the other mods that I've seen here in this forum, so you're full of crap as per usual when you claim otherwise.
When you say 'wrong' without any detailed reasoning as to 'why', it just shows that YOU HAVE NO LOGICAL REASON and KNOW that you can't make one that would withstand any more scrutiny than your previous lunacy. You're a joke. LOL
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When you say 'wrong' without any detailed reasoning as to 'why', it just shows that YOU HAVE NO LOGICAL REASON and KNOW that you can't make one that would withstand any more scrutiny than your previous lunacy. You're a joke. LOL
you say "lies" without any detailed reasoning backing you up. it just shows that YOU HAVE NO LOGICAL REASON, and KNOW that you cant make one that would withstand any more scrutiny than your deranged mind. you are a joke that sadly isnt funny. =|
hypocrite.
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your wacky lunatic and stunningly ignorant assumptions of claims of ownership of the whole by 'default'.
WRONG. each part, not the whole.
The author of a work, even without making any copyright claim in documentary form, is considered to only be responsible and credited for the work that they did, and not any other work that their part may be packaged with.
WRONG. as has been said numerous times before, undue crediting amounts to plagiarism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism) ("if you did not write it yourself, you must give credit"), and can be a violation of copyright or agreements. specifically,
- the CC license requires that proper attribution be given, but such has not been given;
- the exclusively copyrighted nature of Quake 3 assets does not allow any modification or reuse (and "fair use" is not applicable in an audience that is not associated with Quake 3, for most users may not even have a copy of Quake 3), but you have blatantly published a trivial modification, and on top of that, you did that silently.
instead, you have explicitly claimed to have made most of the alien and human sounds and textures.
It never says anywhere that an author claims credit for the whole of a work that is produced by others, regardless of whether that author created 1% or 99% of the whole. They're only responsible for their bit, and nothing more.
congratulations on making an incoherent paragraph of bullshit.
That's also how most normal, sane, commonsense people see it too
because most people are retarded. however, it is the educated, "super-sane", reasonably-sensed people who have the say in what's legal, ethical, etc.
weirdo kind of nutter who doesn't know a damn thing about legality and so you just spout crap like any other dumbass troll on the internet.
WRONG.
I've yet to see you show that most of the new sounds for the aliens and humans were not made by me
i've already shown that most of the textures have not been made by you (you only applied trivial modifications to make the copying of textures not ultra-obvious), despite your claims. i have only definitely recognized a few ripped-off sounds (i have not listened to every fucking sound file in existence to be able to recognize all), but you have already lost the credibility of making trustworthy ownership/copyright statements long ago.
You keep proving that you're a liar as well as an idiot.
WRONG.
I also haven't stripped attribution
WRONG. you've failed to include the text of the CC license (in the earlier versions of the package), CC statements, and work origins.
there's way more attribution than any of the other mods that I've seen here in this forum
open your eyes. but that's irrelevant anyway. what matters is that you're part of the volt-samoz-hermxiv-dushbag ripoff squad, and for the good of humanity, we must vanquish you and your attribution-lacking content from the Internet.
you're full of crap as per usual when you claim otherwise.
WRONG.
When you say 'wrong' without any detailed reasoning as to 'why', it just shows
that the quoted statement has no reasoning backing it up, or is just evidently WRONG (including its (non-)reasoning). (as have been stated before (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=17394.msg237171#msg237171).)
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I can see that nothing matters to you except trolling. CC and the all required documents are in the package already. Everything else you have said continues to be a distortion of the facts. I have given proper attribution already as well, and I have never claimed credt for anything in the package which I did not create, despite your BS claming the contrary. You have not shown otherwise, but just pretend, lie, and misrepresent. You also try to pretend that your "opinions" are facts, refusing to stick with reality. You just prefer to troll.
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I can see that nothing matters to you except trolling. CC and the all required documents are in the package already. Everything else you have said continues to be a distortion of the facts. I have given proper attribution already as well, and I have never claimed credt for anything in the package which I did not create, despite your BS claming the contrary. You have not shown otherwise, but just pretend, lie, and misrepresent. You also try to pretend that your "opinions" are facts, refusing to stick with reality. You just prefer to troll.
WRONG. you can't show otherwise. 'nuff said.
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I can see that nothing matters to you except trolling. CC and the all required documents are in the package already. Everything else you have said continues to be a distortion of the facts. I have given proper attribution already as well, and I have never claimed credt for anything in the package which I did not create, despite your BS claming the contrary. You have not shown otherwise, but just pretend, lie, and misrepresent. You also try to pretend that your "opinions" are facts, refusing to stick with reality. You just prefer to troll.
WRONG. you can't show otherwise. 'nuff said.
As I said before;
When you say 'wrong' without any detailed reasoning as to 'why', it just shows that YOU HAVE NO LOGICAL REASON and KNOW that you can't make one that would withstand any more scrutiny than your previous lunacy. You're a joke. LOL
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Putting some mod, or any file at all, for that matter, up online is NOT, and NEVER has been equal to legally claiming that you made the whole thing.
irrelevant. putting something presented as "<insert_your_name_here>'s <insert_your_thing_here>", coupled with statements such as "most of the work inside is mine" does equate to claiming ownership of each part by default.
You're an idiot and a liar.
WRONG.
you have to misrepresent credit by stating at the start that you made it all
or at least that you made most (when in fact you haven't).
According to your insanity
WRONG.
if someone posts up a collection of photos by their mother, stating that it's a collection of photos by their mother, you're going to claim that the poster is claiming credit for taking every one of the photos even though the poster already stated that those photos were taken by their mother.
WRONG.
You really are incredibly braindead.
WRONG.
The law doesn't see it that way either.
yes; thus, you're WRONG.
Neither do most sane people.
yes; thus, you're WRONG.
Dev-HC can mislead and misquote and lie to the end of the world
yes, the almighty /dev/humancontroller has such a unique ability. you have yet to see it in action.
it does not change the fact that I have NEVER claimed credit for making every damn thing in the mod.
it does not change the fact that you have claimed credit for making most of the things in the mod.
You two twits are both lying
WRONG.
you've lost track of what reality is.
WRONG.
There is nothing that I've created in the mod that's in breach of copyright laws
yeah, it's the things that you didn't create (but included in the package and presented as your own) that is in breach of copyright laws. even laws are mostly irrelevant, because anti-fuckface conventions are more significant.
It's plainly a fan work
read: a remix of attribution-stripped content from the net.
with plentiful attributions
WRONG.
no disregard of previous credit
WRONG.
You two lying a*holes have been shovelling BS since the beginning of the thread
WRONG.
with clearly no honest intentions
WRONG.
your motivation for personal abuse was exposed already.
abuse of fuckfaces, that is.
A sound from another quake mod, which I have NEVER claimed to have made
WRONG.
has metadata
WRONG.
you stupid lying pair of losers
WRONG.
sounds which have the name "OnlyTheGhosts" were made by me.
what about sounds that don't have any metadata, ie., most files, such as those that are in the "most human sounds and most alien sounds" group? face it: these fall into the default interpretation: you've claimed ownership, and now you're trying to make it appear otherwise.
I never claimed credit for them.
WRONG.
Dev-HC is misrepresenting reality and spouting crap through the keyboard yet again.
WRONG.
he outright lies all the damn time
WRONG.
You're getting to be more than just ridiculous
WRONG.
now you want to play silly childish games of 'Let's Pretend' that SamOz claimed credit for a sound which SamOz never actually claim credit for.
WRONG.
I made only the sounds which have the name OnlyTheGhosts in the metadata, I stated this in the first post
and also that you've made most aliens sounds and most human sounds.
but you have to lie and pretend that I was claiming credit for everything in the mod anyway.
WRONG.
you're a brainless little liar
WRONG.
Your bullshit is getting quite bizarre.
WRONG.
did i mention that samoz is WRONG?
As I said before;
When you say 'wrong' without any detailed reasoning as to 'why', it just shows that YOU HAVE NO LOGICAL REASON and KNOW that you can't make one that would withstand any more scrutiny than your previous lunacy. You're a joke. LOL
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wth
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itc a 2+ year flamewar
also fuck devhc
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Insane lying idiotic assholes such as DevHC are what killed off most of Tremulous. He's like a Wikipedia editor and a bad lawyer; he lies even about what's written in what he links to and what he cites - then compounds that dishonesty with self-serving twisted reinterpretations of what laws actually say. Slime like him are unfortunately common in the legal profession, and among the Tremulous community's "old guard". People who lack an ethical core, lack comprehension of karma and human relationships, lack an understanding of true logic, yet are placed on pedestals by moronic dolts who fall for their "attitude" of all-knowing about all bullshit which they really know very little except how to masquerade.
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Insane lying idiotic assholes such as DevHC are what killed off most of Tremulous. He's like a Wikipedia editor and a bad lawyer; he lies even about what's written in what he links to and what he cites - then compounds that dishonesty with self-serving twisted reinterpretations of what laws actually say. Slime like him are unfortunately common in the legal profession, and among the Tremulous community's "old guard". People who lack an ethical core, lack comprehension of karma and human relationships, lack an understanding of true logic, yet are placed on pedestals by moronic dolts who fall for their "attitude" of all-knowing about all bullshit which they really know very little except how to masquerade.
lul