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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Grim on February 17, 2003, 01:30:01 pm

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Post by: Grim on February 17, 2003, 01:30:01 pm: Here i sit in teh learning institute which i abhor,
i sit thinking about the end of the day, i WANT to work on tremulous....
need...motivation......losing.......focus...

Timbo: where are those hordes of supporting fans?
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Post by: Timbo on February 17, 2003, 02:37:17 pm: Hiding.
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Post by: Grim on February 17, 2003, 03:14:28 pm: :(
make them come out!
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Post by: Grim on February 17, 2003, 03:30:21 pm: wait a minute...

arent you supposed to be at university!
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Post by: Timbo on February 17, 2003, 03:52:45 pm: I am at university...
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Post by: Grim on February 17, 2003, 04:09:47 pm: Dear GOD!(omglordsnameinvain)

TREMULOUS has been going since ...
..
FOREVER!!

i had no idea... ive been reading old posts since media arts class is more boring then the american president.

tremulous fans are mostly gloomers and crazy ppl
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Post by: Grim on February 17, 2003, 04:16:23 pm: jeez.....

YOU GUYS DID SO MUCH AND STILL GOT NOTHING DONE?!!!!!

where are all these mythical team members in old posts!!!!?

the old posts are almost motivating me...
perhaps i shall read more...
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Post by: Grim on February 17, 2003, 04:51:21 pm: "YOU ****ING BODYSNATCHER, THAT WAS MY KILL AND BODY."
OMG
its True...... in fact.....

Timbo: major issues with concept and gameplay... The aliens need to be more varied and unique, human weapons need more variation and style as well, altho using a BFG is appealing.....

id love to give more suggestions but... this isnt irc
and you need to pay attention at university
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Post by: dolby on February 17, 2003, 06:21:03 pm: Quote from: "Grim"

Timbo: where are those hordes of supporting fans?

You may *think* you want that right now, but wait until the mod gets released. The tsunami of overpowering criticism from those 'fans' will make you wish most of them never existed.

But the few who are nice are worth the crap.
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Post by: Grim on February 17, 2003, 06:46:27 pm: oh indeed,
im dying to get home and work on trem now,
ive even been sketching ideas!
jeez I wanna be at home
so.........

BORED(saveme)
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Post by: Unleashed on February 17, 2003, 08:07:26 pm: motivation - think of world fame when the mod gets finished & the coverage and future zillions(heh ok not quite :)) of fans you will have, all playing tremulous, all like "OMFG ALIEN IN TEH CORNER SHOOT ITTT SHOOOOT!!"
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Post by: Unleashed on February 18, 2003, 06:28:29 pm: or better yet, think of the few that are here and really really want to play the mod ;)
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Post by: Ogun on February 19, 2003, 10:52:11 am: Must....play.....tremulous... *dies
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Post by: M123 on February 19, 2003, 12:44:45 pm: If you make a great mod, I will most likely play it. How's that for motivation. If tremulous turns out to suck, I'll ofcourse be gone :).
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Post by: Grim on February 19, 2003, 02:31:47 pm: here i am again....
bored....
unable to work...
sooo ill keep my bored post going
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Post by: Grim on February 19, 2003, 02:43:13 pm: dammit... i told you guys to hang around in the forums
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Post by: Jex on February 19, 2003, 02:56:12 pm: if tremulous sucks... we'll fix it. yes.
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Post by: Grim on February 19, 2003, 02:56:51 pm: omg tremulous cant suck!!!
it will have SLUGS!
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Post by: Jex on February 19, 2003, 02:58:33 pm: eep. no slugs.
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Post by: Grim on February 19, 2003, 02:59:28 pm: but slugs are teh win
tehy are scary and evil!
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Post by: Jex on February 19, 2003, 03:00:52 pm: but grim, they're... slugs.
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Post by: Jex on February 19, 2003, 03:01:59 pm: do have have screenshots of any of the other models anywhere?

we were trying to assign classes to them yesterday, but we don't know what they all look like.
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Post by: Grim on February 19, 2003, 03:04:12 pm: oh yeah... i worked all that out in a txt file, i even made the names!!

ill send that txt file... depending what happens at the end of the month
or...
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Post by: Jex on February 19, 2003, 03:13:43 pm: Grim: the classes have been made already for months, the models need to be assigned to the existing classes. the names can be changed to your names though.
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Post by: dolby on February 19, 2003, 03:25:04 pm: Are they cool names like WarriorSlug, ScoutSlug, SlugSlug, etc.? I think the names of the slugs are important and should convey 'Hey I'm a Slug that does X function and none of the other slugs do that, so please don't do my job because I'm X slug.'
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Post by: Grim on February 19, 2003, 03:29:12 pm: HEHEHEHEHeHeheheheheheheheheh...
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Post by: Grim on February 19, 2003, 03:31:30 pm: boooo
dolby logged off!
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Post by: dolby on February 19, 2003, 03:32:26 pm: Quote from: "Grim"
boooo
dolby logged off!

I'm still here cutie pie
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Post by: Grim on February 19, 2003, 03:32:34 pm: yay hes back
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Post by: Grim on February 19, 2003, 03:33:33 pm: id prefer to be on irc but i cant get irc on this evil machine
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Post by: Grim on February 19, 2003, 03:35:28 pm: awww jex logged off... i miss him already
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Post by: dolby on February 19, 2003, 03:36:51 pm: my work blocks the connection too, lets just spam the forum with incessant chat, then who will make fun of us and we can feel bad all day.
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Post by: Grim on February 19, 2003, 03:37:35 pm: OMG yeah tahts teh best idea ever!
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Post by: Grim on February 19, 2003, 03:41:44 pm: its pretty quiet here...
maybe i should do that alien outline jex wanted
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Post by: dolby on February 19, 2003, 03:48:21 pm: Quote from: "Grim"
its pretty quiet here...
maybe i should do that alien outline jex wanted

I think u should i wanna do the alien sounds. Btw did you try out the new machine gun fire? The bass rumbles for me even on low although I might need to punch the highs a bit more to get it from sounding drowned.
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Post by: Grim on February 19, 2003, 03:50:42 pm: sounded Really spacey
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Post by: dolby on February 19, 2003, 04:01:09 pm: Quote from: "Grim"
sounded Really spacey

is that good or bad? Spacey as in it sounds like a space weapon or spacey as in its hollow?
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Post by: Grim on February 19, 2003, 04:01:54 pm: spacey as in it sounds more like a mass driver than a machinegun
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Post by: dolby on February 19, 2003, 04:03:42 pm: Quote from: "Grim"
spacey as in it sounds more like a mass driver than a machinegun

Okay I think I'm just going to leave the machine gun to the last sound I left you then (the one before last nights revision), I think it's most appropriate at this point.
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Post by: Grim on February 19, 2003, 04:05:14 pm: help me think of a cool name for alien #2
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Post by: dolby on February 19, 2003, 04:08:43 pm: Quote from: "Grim"
help me think of a cool name for alien #2

no descrip in dev forum, post it there and screen if you can
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Post by: Grim on February 19, 2003, 04:09:18 pm: this will be teh longest topic ever!
if i make any progress on stuff i ill be sure to put it here!
MUHAHHAH

i still cant think of a name for alien #2
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Post by: Grim on February 19, 2003, 04:13:29 pm: k ill start a description of it... cant post pics not yet anyway
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Post by: Grim on February 19, 2003, 04:19:38 pm: oh look lunch time!
joy..!
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Post by: dolby on February 19, 2003, 04:31:34 pm: It's impossible to say without knowing what the aliens purpose is or an attribute it possesses. I.e. in NS the base class is the 'skulk', which is another word for a lurker/prowler. In Gloom the base class is the hatchling, etc.

The description is very non-descript on the dev forum ;p
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Post by: Grim on February 19, 2003, 04:52:47 pm: mmmmm lunch

k im back... i cant really give an accurate description of the aliens seeing how i dont have the txt with me
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Post by: Grim on February 19, 2003, 05:51:33 pm: IM SOOOOOOO alone!

and bored....day...must...end...
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Post by: Grim on February 19, 2003, 06:20:35 pm: hmmm teh really old posts in the forums are interesting...

omg look
http://www.vectorlounge.com/04_amsterdam/jam/wireframe.swf
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Post by: Grim on February 19, 2003, 06:23:36 pm: the tremulous forums are so quiet... just me and dolby wasting the day spamming the forum
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Post by: Grim on February 19, 2003, 06:29:19 pm: k im done here im going home
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Post by: dolby on February 19, 2003, 06:44:44 pm: spam spam spam, waste waste waste!
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Post by: Grim on February 21, 2003, 03:26:54 pm: uh huh, uh huh, uh huh, yep yep yep

better i do it in this post as opposed to an actually important post
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Post by: Grim on February 21, 2003, 03:59:15 pm: ooooooooohhhhhhhhh,
taht secksy man carc was secksy enough to send me some secsky secks from old tremulous secks

weapon models... i assume(from reading old posts) that they might be psylos ideas(i wanna talk to that guy) i read the old posts and all the images appear as (http://www.OMFGNOIMAGEHEREWTFIWANTEDAPICTURETOSEECOSIMBOREDOMG.com) and its lame cos i wanna see the pics of old tremulous stuff like the droids...ehehehheeheheh(hahahdroidshahahaROFL)[img]
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Post by: Psylo on February 26, 2003, 02:01:39 pm: :lol: :-? :lol: :x :lol: :o :lol: :( :lol: :) :lol: :D :lol: :P :lol: :evil: :lol:
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Post by: Psylo on February 26, 2003, 02:14:03 pm: Edit

removed the pics again...
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Post by: Grim on February 26, 2003, 02:59:09 pm: OMG MAYBE! Hi psylo! YAY
:D :D :D :lol: :D :lol:
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Post by: Grim on February 26, 2003, 03:07:05 pm: Tremulous misses you Psylo!
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Post by: Psylo on February 26, 2003, 03:36:16 pm: hmm do you need concept art?
guns maybe?
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Post by: Psylo on February 26, 2003, 03:59:13 pm: Quote from: "Grim"
spacey as in it sounds more like a mass driver than a machinegun

what exactly is a mass driver?
i mean why dont you call normal firearms mass drivers?
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Post by: Grim on February 26, 2003, 06:57:10 pm: mass driver launches a depleted uranium slug as opposed to using an energy weapon or combustion driven bullet
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Post by: Psylo on February 26, 2003, 09:54:29 pm: railgun=massdriver?
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Post by: Grim on February 28, 2003, 10:08:42 pm: ya!... i shoulda used that as an example
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Post by: Grim on March 06, 2003, 03:20:20 pm: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo.......... awful stuff always happens to me and ill be sure to bitch and whine about that stuff in this post
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Post by: Stannum on March 06, 2003, 10:19:37 pm: Quote from: "Grim"
mass driver launches a depleted uranium slug as opposed to using an energy weapon or combustion driven bullet

NO.

Thats what it is in all that sci-fi shit but its not the correct definition.
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Post by: Grim on March 07, 2003, 12:47:17 am: IT IS IN TREMBYLOUS!!
AND GO MAKE YOUR MAP AND ADD TEH SNIPOR ROOFLES YOU PROMISEDED
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Post by: Psylo on March 07, 2003, 02:46:12 pm: :-?
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Post by: Grim on March 07, 2003, 02:46:19 pm: Psylo, the soldiers cant spawn with bare heads!
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Post by: Psylo on March 07, 2003, 02:47:21 pm: :x why not?
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Post by: Grim on March 07, 2003, 02:48:29 pm: well ive only made the top half of the face. It could be anybody behind the mask!

if i make the lower half of the face it ruins it and we have a clone army running around
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Post by: Grim on March 07, 2003, 02:50:53 pm: and besides
what kind of soldiers would go into combat without head gear? its crazy talk
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Post by: Psylo on March 07, 2003, 02:51:12 pm: then just use the mask without the upper helmet for the normal human

so aliens can see who has headprotection and who has not
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Post by: Grim on March 07, 2003, 02:53:02 pm: that would look odd

your helmet had a lot of detail, was hard to make it right without using to many polies, looks good tho (still too many polies for just a head)
i wish i could show you a pic. i skinned the eyes right away, but i dont know what the helmet skin will be
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Post by: Psylo on March 07, 2003, 02:55:50 pm: hmm maybe a head with just a simple mask skin then?
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Post by: Grim on March 07, 2003, 02:57:24 pm: perhaps...
hmmm
i may get the chance to get on irc today.
then i will be able to show you what your helmet looks like
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Post by: Psylo on March 07, 2003, 02:57:31 pm: btw, can you PM me a ftp adress where i can download your brilliant muzzleflash effect/machinegun model for gloom?
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Post by: Grim on March 07, 2003, 02:58:42 pm: ill bug sul today to share it,
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Post by: Psylo on March 07, 2003, 02:59:57 pm: :D :D :D :D :D
looks so great!!!
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Post by: Grim on March 07, 2003, 03:07:11 pm: ya, has cool q3 style muzzle flash

i always wanted that. i think im gonna do it for other guns too

hjkgjgghfjkgf

come baaaaack psylo!!!!!
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Post by: Grim on March 07, 2003, 03:17:08 pm: 1 registered and 1 hidden?
whos teh hidden user?
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Post by: Psylo on March 07, 2003, 03:40:01 pm: im back :)

can you make that effect for the playermodels too?
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Post by: Grim on March 07, 2003, 03:45:00 pm: Yes indeed, thats what i worked on last night

argfhkfhg he left again.... oh hes back
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Post by: Psylo on March 07, 2003, 03:50:42 pm: dont worry
Im just changing to other websites without opening another browser window
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Post by: Grim on March 07, 2003, 03:51:54 pm: im thought up a bunch of neat ideas to abuse shaders

wait till you see the shader i put on the battlesuit head

you can see his eyes behind the glass which has a cheesy reflection shader
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Post by: Grim on March 07, 2003, 03:53:40 pm: oh look its sandy!
perhaps hell join me in spamming this post!
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Post by: Sandy on March 07, 2003, 03:56:31 pm: moo
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Post by: Grim on March 07, 2003, 03:56:40 pm: Hi sandy!

im teh guy who makes stuff for trem!

help! timbo beats me!
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Post by: Psylo on March 07, 2003, 03:59:35 pm: I NEED THAT FIER COMING OUT OF TEH GLUHM GUN! NOW! AAAAHG!
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Post by: Grim on March 07, 2003, 04:00:26 pm: oooohhh
PSYLO

i bet i could use a shader to make the soldier occasionally blink!
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Post by: Grim on March 07, 2003, 04:01:35 pm: Yes, guns need fier!
and ill tease everybody in#gloom
with pics of GUNS SHOUTING FIER! ACHTUNG!ACHTUNG!ACHTUNG!
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Post by: Psylo on March 07, 2003, 04:03:47 pm: its what i have always dreamed of

next step would be smoke, no?
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Post by: Grim on March 07, 2003, 04:04:51 pm: hmmm, id better abuse the muzzleflash on the other guns first.
besides, smoke is sul's buisness!
i assume he will enjoy it if i put muzzleflashes on all the weapons!

and a biotech shader would r0x(done muhahahah)
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Post by: Grim on March 07, 2003, 04:07:59 pm: 90+ replies! w00t, longest topic EVER! Grim® :Þ
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Post by: Psylo on March 07, 2003, 04:10:31 pm: teh gaardijan model is cool tou but i dont like teh feet
can you add shoes please?
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Post by: Grim on March 07, 2003, 04:12:53 pm: And now a useful post

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the elephant toenail clippers the proffessionals use!

The Tremulous aliens are in overall 75% done !
this means that i could have them all done if i work really hard all month.

also the heads of the humans are done. i only need psylo to invent me bodies for them

otherwise temp bodies(reskinned q3a player bodies) will be used with the heads

my weapon (machinegun) is done and i dont know if scissors has finished any weapons

and i wrote a story for teh aliens and im gonna run it by timbo before any1 else sees it

and perhaps ill finish the map that goes with the story
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Post by: Grim on March 07, 2003, 04:13:38 pm: i gave sul the wrong guard skin.....
MUST....FIX............

the whitesox guardian was an accident
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Post by: Grim on March 07, 2003, 04:17:46 pm: hehehhehe gloom discussion in trem forums....

OH YES!!! i just remembered

Psylo, i want you to try out my png texures for map gloom!

2x size of originals
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Post by: Psylo on March 07, 2003, 04:20:10 pm: did you tell sul already?
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Post by: Psylo on March 07, 2003, 04:21:53 pm: you mean gloom.bsp?
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Post by: Grim on March 07, 2003, 04:21:55 pm: nope, he knows nothing

i saw him for like 5 minutes which i asked him about laser sight...

30 minutes later i gave him an md3 autogun with a tag_laser and a muzzleflash

hes not around enough

lunch time!
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Post by: Grim on March 07, 2003, 04:22:54 pm: yes gloom.bsp
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Post by: Psylo on March 07, 2003, 04:23:23 pm: lasersight?? OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG! :o :o :o :o
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Post by: Ogun on March 07, 2003, 04:34:03 pm: hey
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Post by: Ogun on March 07, 2003, 04:34:41 pm: I
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Post by: Ogun on March 07, 2003, 04:35:16 pm: also
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Post by: Psylo on March 07, 2003, 04:35:20 pm: HI!
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Post by: Ogun on March 07, 2003, 04:35:48 pm: want
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Post by: Ogun on March 07, 2003, 04:36:12 pm: a
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Post by: Ogun on March 07, 2003, 04:36:39 pm: high
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Post by: Ogun on March 07, 2003, 04:37:24 pm: postcount (damn slow 56k, long page loading times =/)
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Post by: Ogun on March 07, 2003, 04:38:31 pm: psylo do you play NS? (Navy SEALs: Covert Operations, q3 teamplay mod, http://www.ns-co.net)
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Post by: Psylo on March 07, 2003, 04:40:01 pm: of course I do!
like all clever persons :)

maybe you have seen me (<?>P5YL0)
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Post by: Ogun on March 07, 2003, 04:45:16 pm: Quote from: "Psylo"
of course I do!
like all clever persons :)

maybe you have seen me (<?>P5YL0)

Yeah I have. I haven't played much lately, but at the time when I did, my nick was [ogun]. Maybe you've seen me too.
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Post by: dolby on March 07, 2003, 04:51:26 pm: FISH DON'T FRY IN THE KITCHEN
BEANS DON'T BURN ON THE GRILL!!
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Post by: Ogun on March 07, 2003, 04:53:46 pm: BEARS DON'T SLEEP IN THE CHIMNEY
..BIRDS DON'T FLY IN THE SKY

etc
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Post by: dolby on March 07, 2003, 04:56:05 pm: Quote from: "Ogun"
BEARS DON'T SLEEP IN THE CHIMNEY
..BIRDS DON'T FLY IN THE SKY

etc

Thats not from the Jefferson's theme song. Damn you Ogun. Damn you!!! (p.s. use linux kthx)
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Post by: Ogun on March 07, 2003, 04:57:07 pm: Much isn't from the Jefferson's theme song.
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Post by: Psylo on March 07, 2003, 11:00:31 pm: ogun, when do you play ns:co usually?
any regular times?
which server?
the communication system of the mod works great
we should try to have a game together with all navy seals players from this forum
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Post by: Ogun on March 08, 2003, 01:22:51 am: On whatever server that gives me a good ping (european ones) at evening.
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Post by: Stannum on March 08, 2003, 07:39:59 pm: Nsq3....

Hmmmm

Hey! I remember that....
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Post by: Ogun on March 10, 2003, 08:05:07 am: Quote from: "Satannum"
Nsq3....
Hmmmm
Hey! I remember that....

You should :P. Come back to the ns community Satannum! Did you ever try it out after it was released?
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Post by: Grim on March 18, 2003, 04:14:50 pm: OMGWTF! quiet forums!

HEY ALL !

GEORGE W "ERF ERF" BUSH IS GOIN To WAR! IMPEACH THAT FUCKER! FOR THE GOOD OF THE MANKIND!!
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Post by: M123 on March 18, 2003, 10:22:23 pm: Jup, forums are quiet. Not much to talk about.

The whole Iraq deal is pretty troubling. But theres little that can be done about it.
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Post by: Ogun on March 18, 2003, 10:41:54 pm: Quote from: "M123"
Jup, forums are quiet. Not much to talk about.

The whole Iraq deal is pretty troubling. But theres little that can be done about it.

I don't think that has much to do with the forums being quiet though :O.
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Post by: Grim on March 20, 2003, 04:35:11 pm: well
i could be you know, indiffernt to the war and start revealing more tremulous stuff and give info about the mod
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Post by: M123 on March 20, 2003, 07:48:50 pm: I'd like that. All I have now is some real old version of tremulous still with the droids. Played it against my little brother and this old version was already pretty fun, so I'm looking forward to the complete version.
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Post by: Stannum on March 26, 2003, 01:13:37 pm: Quote from: "Ogun"
Quote from: "Satannum"
Nsq3....
Hmmmm
Hey! I remember that....

You should :P. Come back to the ns community Satannum! Did you ever try it out after it was released?

I think so, yes. For a week or two, then I left. Wasn't as much fun as I anticipated.
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Post by: Ogun on March 26, 2003, 03:20:37 pm: Ok, promise me one thing (or I'll kik ur arse :O), that you'll try it out once the version currently in the works had released. I'll tell you in this forum when it has.

*edit btw I'm lead mapper by now :O.
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Post by: Stannum on March 27, 2003, 08:39:38 pm: WTF?

What happened to BenB?
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Post by: Ogun on March 27, 2003, 09:29:44 pm: Quote from: "Satannum"
WTF?

What happened to BenB?

He joined crytek. He's officially a pro mapper! (haevn't really thought of it that way until now, but he is)

http://www.crytek.com/
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Post by: Stannum on March 29, 2003, 02:55:19 am: Whoa, thats nice :)

Its been ages since I actually read the forums. I only spam the OT section every once in a while. (is fun)

Maybe I'll try it again someday.
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Post by: Ogun on March 29, 2003, 09:09:50 am: Yeah please do. I'll let you know when the next version has been released (soon I hope).
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Post by: Grim on June 04, 2003, 04:18:31 pm: and the board post coninues..... cos im bored...
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Post by: OverFlow on June 04, 2003, 08:43:44 pm: you could skin that chaingun...
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Post by: Grim on June 07, 2003, 02:05:18 am: or the aliens
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Post by: Psylo on June 11, 2003, 07:45:30 pm: Grim: did i ever send you a pulserifle sound for gloom? i need it back! and the ridiculous pain sounds...i lost them all.