Tremulous Forum
Media => Map Releases => Topic started by: Karvajalka on August 27, 2006, 08:39:15 pm
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Here is my first try to make a map for tremulous. It's an interior map that doesn't have big halls(the human startup base is the biggest). I tried to make a lot of hides to aliens and I think I succeed in that. Well, I don't have any idea if the map is balanced, let's hope it is :D
Click here to download (http://koti.mbnet.fi/anania/map_aegis_station_b1.pk3)
I want to thank Somethief and Janev for helping me by giving me ideas and finding bugs etc :)
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Just had a short look. Design is okay, performance is not... :(
You should place some hint brushes at strategical positions and compile with vis.
r_showtris renders the complete map at current state:(http://blackheartware.com/cstrike/trem/r_showtris.jpg)
Use r_showtris 1 and r_speeds 1 to debug performance!
Danny
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Huoh, I knew I shoud have read more tutorials :( . okay, I try to do my best to correct this. :wink:
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I am looking forward playing this one... ;)
Danny
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Well I looked some tutorials and I think I "know" what to do with those hint brushes, although I'm pretty sure it will take a lot of time from me :(. Well, I hope some can atleast play the map, or maybe it's just better to wait untill I get those brushes where they belong :-?
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Okay, here some kind of mini-tutorial... place hint brushes in a way that they are put some 8-16 units into a wall:
(http://www.haradirki.de/tutor/pics/hint.jpg)
Place them like this, always around corners, look at the red outlines, these should be hints:
(http://www.haradirki.de/tutor/pics/mithint.jpg)
This is the effect, near to the stairs it renders them:
(http://www.haradirki.de/tutor/pics/showtris2.jpg)
And strafing away the stairs are not rendered anymore, the are not in the PVS (potential visibility set) because of the hint brushes:
(http://www.haradirki.de/tutor/pics/showtris1.jpg)
Hint brushes just give the compiler a hint what a player can see from any position. Stuff that is not needed is not rendered with hints.
I hope I could help... ;)
Danny
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Nice map, really big :)
You still need to work on some details, but it's looking really good so far.
PS: lol
(http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5477/shot0067rn1.jpg)
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so how does hint exactly work?
would i need it for my shop?
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:eek: I just explained it three posts earlier...
Megabite"]This is the effect, near to the stairs it renders them:
(http://www.haradirki.de/tutor/pics/showtris2.jpg)
And strafing away the stairs are not rendered anymore, the are not in the PVS (potential visibility set) because of the hint brushes:
(http://www.haradirki.de/tutor/pics/showtris1.jpg)
Hint brushes just give the compiler a hint what a player can see from any position. Stuff that is not needed is not rendered with hints.
would i need it for my shop?
Not if you want to continue making crap maps with horrible performance... ;)
Danny
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http://tremmapping.pbwiki.com/Understanding%20Vis%20and%20Hint%20Brushes
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Thanks a lot for explaining it megabite. I hope I get it done today.
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thanks danny but its not crap.
performance is never an issue with me
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Crap is just a personal point of view... apart from that, performance may not be a problem of you... but it will become a problem of your maps if you do not counter it... ;)
Danny
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hmmm, hint brush makes the engine not render unneded geometry ( like it should not render half of the uncreation map all the time :/, or meep near alien base :/), but does it also make me not hear/see aliens on radar?
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they need to be placed carefully anyway.
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performance is never an issue with me
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You do know that if you want your map to be popular and used by public servers, it has to be playable for everyone no matter what is his PC ?
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This map was really good when I tried it alone.
The only error I saw is... you know the big elevator thing in the red room? How come it moves up by itself? I clicked on the switch beside it and nothing happened...
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hmmm, hint brush makes the engine not render unneded geometry ( like it should not render half of the uncreation map all the time :/, or meep near alien base :/), but does it also make me not hear/see aliens on radar?
Yes it does :) . Another reason to place hint brushes...I've tried a couple of methods to place the hint brushes, but for some reason they don't have any effect D: . I made a small simple three room map and they worked there when I tried to learn how to use them, but I can't get a single of working on this map :cry:
This map was really good when I tried it alone.
The only error I saw is... you know the big elevator thing in the red room? How come it moves up by itself? I clicked on the switch beside it and nothing happened...
When you click the switch outside the elevator for the first time, it starts moving. If you click another time, it stops. After it reaches either the upper or down destination, you have to click the switch two times to make it move again.
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game play is not bad. you need to fix those funky stuff (elevator, wall@Hbase)
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Yes it does :) . Another reason to place hint brushes...I've tried a couple of methods to place the hint brushes, but for some reason they don't have any effect D: . I made a small simple three room map and they worked there when I tried to learn how to use them, but I can't get a single of working on this map :cry:
Try removing anything related to your map that is not the mapfile itself. Delete the bsp and prt files before compiling again.
Also VIS does not work if the map has a leak. You should run "File/Pointfile" after you have compiled. If there is a red line running out of your map an entity can reach the void -> leak.
Imagine your map to be an aquarium. It has to be closed at any point to prevent a fish (entity) from swimming out... ;)
Danny