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Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: Rippy on September 24, 2006, 09:22:53 pm
(http://tremulous.net/manual/helmet.jpg)

The engineer who designed that protective helmet deserves to be slapped. >_> I suggest a slight visual change to the helmet, to make it cover the whole top of the head instead of being a fancy headband.

After all, the light armour does a good job of protecting the chest, the battlesuit does a good job of anally protecting every square inch of body... The helmet's protective-lookingness should be comparable.
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: Paradox on September 24, 2006, 10:23:46 pm
Master Chief anyone?
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: Basilisco on September 24, 2006, 10:37:11 pm
Always thought the helmet looked good, the open top just makes it look cooler :D.

Some kind of visor added would be better imo, that would explain the floating radar when you get the helmet :P
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Edit: just to give you some more material to discuss about, here are some of the previous helmet models

(http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/3985/1xy5.jpg)(http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8636/2mb1.jpg)(http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/6703/3ix7.jpg)
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: kevlarman on September 24, 2006, 10:47:10 pm
the top is open so that basilisks don't hurt their claws when they open the canned food
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: ^Black on September 24, 2006, 11:48:33 pm
I would like a mastercheif looking helmet, a shiny faceplate, top covered.
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: Rippy on September 25, 2006, 12:07:52 am
Helmet #1 from basilico's post looks about right. I could take or leave the visor, whatever people prefer.

@kevlarman: good point. I suppose it's only courteous of humans to expose their tasty brains.

Suffice to say, if I were a marine, I think I'd prefer my bike helmet over the standard issue one :P
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: rasz_pl on September 25, 2006, 01:40:19 am
first one (with shiny visor) looks SO MUCH better than the current one
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: holyknight on September 25, 2006, 03:17:30 am
The first helmet is used by EVERYONE in the other games- doesn't really look that unique. The second one is just no.. the third one looks pretty okay... but still weird.
So I guess I'll have to agree with the first one.

OR...

we all make a competition thread to see who makes the best helmet? And the winner's helmet appears!
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: Undeference on September 25, 2006, 03:30:23 am
Quote from: "Rippy"
Suffice to say, if I were a marine, I think I'd prefer my bike helmet over the standard issue one :P
I want a helmet that looks like a little kid's bike helmet. And it should be pink to help the aliens see better.

But there should be a camo option: just a headband with no armour bonuses and no radar.
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: Odin on September 25, 2006, 08:41:12 am
The third helmet in Basilisco's post looks best. It'd be perfect with better texturing, like the first one.
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: rasz_pl on September 25, 2006, 11:10:33 am
Quote from: "Odin"
The third helmet in Basilisco's post looks best. It'd be perfect with better texturing, like the first one.


with that shiny visor texture it would be nice
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: Rippy on September 26, 2006, 12:04:57 am
I dunno, imo the third one looks too thick. If you're looking for the ultimate head protection, you may as well buy a Bsuit. Then again, it could look completely different (and mostly for the better) with texturing. #2 solves nothing as the head is still exposed.

@Undeference: about that camo thing... aren't you describing an unhelmeted human player? They have a headband, and no protection.
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: holyknight on September 26, 2006, 01:15:06 am
what I'm saying is that we should have a competition to see who makes the best helmet!
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: Rippy on September 26, 2006, 02:02:10 am
not a bad idea, but people would be drawing the helmets in 2d while the real thing would have to be modeled in 3d. Would be interesting.
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: rasz_pl on September 26, 2006, 08:43:43 am
or  =just get rid of the headband, I have a hard time seeing if a humie has a hat or not jumping arround him in mara :/
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: Lava Croft on September 28, 2006, 03:36:01 pm
Eh, don't touch the trem models! I like the armour bandana!
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: rasz_pl on September 28, 2006, 03:43:18 pm
armour bandanas are Like Sooo Passe this Season
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: Norfenstein on September 30, 2006, 06:08:26 pm
It would be nice if it were easier to tell what equipment a human had just by looking; maybe the textures could have more color variation...
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: Rippy on October 01, 2006, 12:20:31 am
Quote from: "Norfenstein"
It would be nice if it were easier to tell what equipment a human had just by looking; maybe the textures could have more color variation...

Yeah, I find I never know if the guy I'm attacking has armour or a helmet unless he's using a bsuit (those are kind of hard to miss). larmour looks a lot like unarmoured, and I'm too busy dodging pulse rifle bullets to check if a guy has a helmet or not.

A better helmet would make that easier to see, as for the larmour... not sure. You can't exactly make it bright pink just so aliens notice, but right now it's kinda hard to see.
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: OverFlow on October 01, 2006, 03:04:59 am
Those first two pics were made quite a while ago.  The second is actully the same version of it... just someone without the helmet on.  The third picture is part of an entirely new human model I was working on...  which is actually pretty close to completetion, except for lack of a texture.

(http://bobbinm.net/tremulous/hsoldier-WIP13.jpg)

(http://bobbinm.net/3D/hsoldier1.jpg)
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: Odin on October 01, 2006, 03:30:12 am
HOLY SHIT... Batman!

So that's in the next version?

Oh, and why does the guy have white hair?
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: OverFlow on October 01, 2006, 04:44:42 am
Quote from: "Odin"
HOLY SHIT... Batman!

So that's in the next version?

Oh, and why does the guy have white hair?


Thats just the Q3 model 'sarge' head texture.  I put it on there temporarily.  This is a texture I was working on...

(http://bobbinm.net/tremulous/hsoldier-head-WIP11.jpg)
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: Seffylight on October 01, 2006, 10:23:39 am
Overflow... Will you marry me?
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: Basilisco on October 01, 2006, 06:14:04 pm
Quote from: "Seffylight"
Overflow... Will you marry me?

*sigh* Overflow is NOT the pink bunny, that's his avatar. He's just a normal not-that-cute-and-cuddly human being like the rest of us...
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: Paradox on October 01, 2006, 07:41:05 pm
Helmet 2.0.
Fresh from the UNSC marine division.
Slight plasma burns.
Good condition.
(http://static.flickr.com/106/257613803_3de3c07cdb_m.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/paradox460/257613803/)
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: rasz_pl on October 01, 2006, 10:38:48 pm
Quote from: "Rippy"
Yeah, I find I never know if the guy I'm attacking has armour or a helmet unless he's using a bsuit (those are kind of hard to miss). larmour looks a lot like unarmoured



lok for shoulderpads, they are grey
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: Lava Croft on October 07, 2006, 05:43:59 am
Quote from: "Norfenstein"
It would be nice if it were easier to tell what equipment a human had just by looking; maybe the textures could have more color variation...


Adding a Knightrider kinda red-blip shader to complement the Helmet and to give some reason for the Scanner could work.
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: rasz_pl on October 07, 2006, 03:02:20 pm
Quote from: "Lava Croft"
Quote from: "Norfenstein"
It would be nice if it were easier to tell what equipment a human had just by looking; maybe the textures could have more color variation...


Adding a Knightrider kinda red-blip shader to complement the Helmet and to give some reason for the Scanner could work.


yes, and change head model to Hasselhoffs face


(http://bling.imperial.org/smile/random/hasselhoffghey.jpg)
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: Lava Croft on October 10, 2006, 02:23:17 pm
Yes! A Polish, homosexual David Hasselhoff would be the win~~
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: Taiyo.uk on October 13, 2006, 02:46:45 am
/me slapps everyone

Knightrider style lights might have been appropriate if tremulous was a side-scroller for the C64.

The overall subject of this thread seems to be "zOMG! how t3h helmet protects against head attacks with no head protection?!?!?!?!!!!111oneone"

There are various full-head helmets designs out there; the relatively narrow models shown in this thread, wider ones such as those of halo or starship troopers, but whatever. The point is that the helmet protects agains head attacks and provides a radar display. Soooo.... To satisfy these conditions an alternative helmet model could include full head cover and some kind of visor. I prefer overflow's model out of those shown so far...

Quote from: "Basilisco"
*sigh* Overflow is NOT the pink bunny, that's his avatar. He's just a normal not-that-cute-and-cuddly human being like the rest of us...

WHAT?! Don't talk crap... You'll be telling me the tooth fairy isn't real next!
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: kevlarman on October 13, 2006, 05:06:35 am
Quote from: "Taiyo.uk"
if tremulous was a side-scroller for the C64.
am i the only one who read this and thought "that would be so awesome"?
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: Lava Croft on October 13, 2006, 12:57:06 pm
Stop this retarded talking about 'realism'. It's misplaced.
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: Vector_Matt on October 13, 2006, 02:00:45 pm
Quote from: "Lava Croft"
Stop this retarded talking about 'realism'. It's misplaced.
Last time I looked it was realism that made games more fun. If all the humies had to do was launch a wave of sentient robots and sit back and  watch from a hover chair, this game would suck.
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: Quaoar on October 15, 2006, 04:40:12 pm
Quote from: "Vector_Matt"
Quote from: "Lava Croft"
Stop this retarded talking about 'realism'. It's misplaced.
Last time I looked it was realism that made games more fun. If all the humies had to do was launch a wave of sentient robots and sit back and  watch from a hover chair, this game would suck.


That's exactly what hummies from the future would do. And they wouldn't fight a war in queue where they'd need to earn money by killing aliens either. And they'd probably nuke from orbit instead of sending troops with nothing but an outdated machine gun down to get killed.

Some things make sense in games, some things don't. When it comes to the helmet though, I agree. It's kind of ridiculous visually, and needs some improvement. It just looks wrong, even if the aim of the game isn't realism.
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: Lava Croft on October 15, 2006, 05:42:17 pm
Yes, but realism cannot be the driving factor for a visual change to the helmet. If realism was the driving factor, you should remove the Aliens.
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: Quaoar on October 15, 2006, 06:51:08 pm
Quote from: "Lava Croft"
Yes, but realism cannot be the driving factor for a visual change to the helmet. If realism was the driving factor, you should remove the Aliens.


It isn't realism, just aesthetics.

And it's not like a better version of the helmet isn't already out there. How difficult, exactly, would it be to switch the two at popular request? This change isn't a big thing, it isn't a gameplay change or a tactical upheaval or anything. The current helmet model looks dingy and it'd be nice to have a replacement, that's all.
Title: Visual change to helmet
Post by: Taiyo.uk on October 18, 2006, 07:46:38 pm
Quote from: "Quaoar"
It isn't realism, just aesthetics.

Amen.

Some people want to change the helmet model simply so that it LOOKS like it'll provide head protection, since it does.