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Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: ShAdoW on October 09, 2006, 07:25:51 pm
I've been thinking about the nextgen consoles like the Wii ,Playstation3 and
Xbox360 now i have a question:
Which would you buy or you gonna stay Pc?
How about the games what for games you gonna buy for your console or for your Pc on the next times

Post here. :D

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Here are trailers for the consoles:
www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?fs=1&id=1656 for the Wii
www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?fs=1&id=2185 for the Ps3
www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?fs=1&id=1589 for the Xbox360

for games etc. www.gametrailers.com visiual
for news www.kikizo.com
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: Neo on October 09, 2006, 10:19:26 pm
I'm sticking with PC as consoles are a waste imho. Saving up for NWN2 collector's edition.
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: ShAdoW on October 09, 2006, 10:24:35 pm
Hmmm which console do you think has the much more power?
I read from other websites that the Xbox360 has more hardware but the Ps3 a better graphic will bring but the Wii has no probs cause they want just FUN.Controllers are a nice new touch  8)
But i voted not yet
I play more with the PC as Ps2  :P
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: ShAdoW on October 09, 2006, 10:30:13 pm
Quote from: "Neo"
I'm sticking with PC as consoles are a waste imho. Saving up for NWN2 collector's edition.


Cool 8)  i'm saving money for gothic 3 it looks just GOOD and fun with a good atmo :)
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: Seffylight on October 10, 2006, 12:04:00 am
Nothing is ever going to beat my PC in my heart. I can scale my hardware up periodically to meet new games, or scale the games down to meet my hardware. It's all my games, work, media in one box. I'm not going to switch to a console for something I can get on my PC.

That being said, I'll be buying a Wii. Nintendo's the only company doing anything innovative enough for me to actually log some man hours on it over my PC.
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: Paradox on October 10, 2006, 01:17:02 am
Bah, PS3 will not allow trading of games between consoles, will not run as fast as claimed, has so many lawsuits behind it (george foreman, etc)
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: holyknight on October 10, 2006, 01:31:58 am
PC ALL DA WAY!!!!!!!!!
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: PIE on October 10, 2006, 01:53:07 am
PS3 will run sony into the ground. They need to drop blu-ray.. they are so obsessed with proprietary formats though..   With all the trouble they have, and the money they are going to loose on each console.. this would be the thing that kills them.
Development costs are going to be rediculous.. games are going to start getting very similar... except for.. the Wii
The wii will sell a ton initially.. but unless nintendo can get their heads out of their asses and stop making kiddie consoles, or gimmick consoles with novelty puzzle games (the DS) its not going to get any support and will just allow them to squeek by until the next generation.. like last time...
The wii is a great console with the right idea.. hopefully the massive costs and idiocy of sony, the up until now leader will drive some developers to nintendo... and they will stop being so narrow minded and get some violent GTA kinds of games on there to break their stupid kiddie pokemon image.

(Another note... anyone noticed the $60 games? THAT is the thing that keeps me from buying ANY of them.. i have a computer where games are still $49-39 (or even free like tremulous) most of the time and where the price drops pretty quickly.. they don't impose liscenses on computer games because noone has to recouperate console costs.. so the prices will stay reasonable.. so thats where i'm staying for now.)
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: ShAdoW on October 10, 2006, 06:02:27 am
Nice comment very helpful for me thx 8)
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: Basilisco on October 10, 2006, 06:09:55 am
Being the Nintendo fan that i am, i want to get the Wii.
But i'm also a cashless unemployed student, so i doubt i'll get it the first 1 or 2 years :|
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: kozak6 on October 10, 2006, 06:18:57 am
Meh.  They are all too expensive for me right now.  Especially the PS3.  I'm sticking with my PC, mainly because I already have a PC.  And then there's the free games like Tremulous (and Nexuiz, or at least if it ran better).

If I get anything, which is rather doubtful, it would be the Wii, but only as long as I got to handle a controller somewhere.  Man, that is some frickin weird stuff.

And then I'm still not done with my N64 either.  I have a big handful of games sitting in my room I haven't played yet, and there are games I still need to buy.
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: holyknight on October 10, 2006, 06:34:29 am
I WANT MA OWN LAPTOP! GIVE ME ONE AND I'LL GIVE YOU A QUARTER!
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: Bajsefar on October 10, 2006, 07:16:18 am
I went for pc, if i had to choose a console, though, wii sounds more innoative, new and exciting than the rest.
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: ShAdoW on October 10, 2006, 07:19:02 am
Quote from: "holyknight"
I WANT MA OWN LAPTOP! GIVE ME ONE AND I'LL GIVE YOU A QUARTER!
:wink:
Quote
Basilisco 1-2 years that you can buy the Wii
:eek:
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: DieFamilyGuy on October 10, 2006, 07:50:31 am
its a tie between ps3 and wii.

ps3 cause of the awesome game, metal gear solid 4  :D

wii because of super smash bros brawl
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: holyknight on October 10, 2006, 07:55:52 am
YAY SUPERSMASHBROTHERSBRAWL!~
but wouldn't it be hard to play that game, I mean.. .the controls are weird...
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: ShAdoW on October 10, 2006, 08:06:23 am
Quote from: "holyknight"
YAY SUPERSMASHBROTHERSBRAWL!~
but wouldn't it be hard to play that game, I mean.. .the controls are weird...

The Wii controllers are weird but that's the sense for more fun little joke  :wink: ,there are 2 Wii controllers. There must be somewhere a little trailer for the Wii try these links
www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?fs=1&id=1656 for the Wii
www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?fs=1&id=2185 for the PS3
www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?fs=1&id=1589 for the Xbox360
What do you think about those consoles now?
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: Lava Croft on October 10, 2006, 02:30:44 pm
Since the Wii is the only console that adds anything over a PC, I will buy a Wii. The PS3 and Xbox360 are just PC's in VCR casings, No thanks.
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: Odin on October 10, 2006, 03:37:53 pm
(http://www.stevey666.co.uk/ps3grill/images/grillkut.jpg)
ftw
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: Vector_Matt on October 10, 2006, 04:21:25 pm
Quote from: "Odin"
(http://www.stevey666.co.uk/ps3grill/images/grillkut.jpg)
ftw
Yay! It's the GrillStation3, fun for the whole family.  :D
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: PIE on October 11, 2006, 09:47:36 pm
Quote from: "Odin"
(http://www.stevey666.co.uk/ps3grill/images/grillkut.jpg)
ftw

Well.. i figured you could fry an egg on it.. i know you sure can on the 360.. but chicken and beef.. and half a 1 armed asian guy!.. might have to get one after all!.. unless you have to use only special sony brand chicken and beef with DRM.
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: Neo on October 11, 2006, 11:17:16 pm
Quote from: "ShAdoW"
Quote from: "Neo"
I'm sticking with PC as consoles are a waste imho. Saving up for NWN2 collector's edition.


Cool 8)  i'm saving money for gothic 3 it looks just GOOD and fun with a good atmo :)


Damn almost forgot about Gothic 3, still playing 1 and 2 atm.

Btw the Grillstation would be the ultimate console, you could have a fry up while gaming, no need to get up apart from toilet/drinks.
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: ShAdoW on October 17, 2006, 08:08:18 am
Yeah the Grillstation,wish it would be true :wink:
Anyway the poll is close now , the result is  :eek: mostly want to stay Pc.
 Anyways,i have one more question: Do anybody of you Tremplayers play Wolfen Stein-Enemy Territory?(too)
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: Glunnator on October 17, 2006, 02:29:48 pm
You missed a few possibilitys...

MAC!! don't EVER forget the MAC!

Nintendo Gamecube
Nintend DS
Ninten GBA SP
Nint GBA
Nin GBC
Ni GBP
N GB
N 64
SNES
NES

Sony PsP
Sony Ps2
Son PS
So.... wait... no more?


Yeah maybe they're not nextgen, but they should be part of the choice!  :evil:





 :P
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: Vector_Matt on October 17, 2006, 03:26:48 pm
Quote from: "Glunnator"
MAC!! don't EVER forget the MAC!
Technicaly, PC stands for personal computer, and Macs are computers for personal use, so...
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: benplaut on October 18, 2006, 08:08:14 am
I think i'll stick with screen, zsh, and urxvt.

Oh, wait...
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: ShAdoW on October 29, 2006, 06:50:12 pm
Quote from: "Glunnator"
You missed a few possibilitys...

MAC!! don't EVER forget the MAC!

Nintendo Gamecube
Nintend DS
Ninten GBA SP
Nint GBA
Nin GBC
Ni GBP
N GB
N 64
SNES
NES

Sony PsP
Sony Ps2
Son PS
So.... wait... no more?


Yeah maybe they're not nextgen, but they should be part of the choice!  :evil:





 :P

Oh yes the old consoles pixel graphic i loved theme from a long time ago but now HD gaming v pixel  :P   I'll stick with the HD stuffs

PS. You forogt the Xbox *ugly*
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: ShAdoW on November 08, 2006, 03:49:40 pm
scroll up and tell me if that's true :roll:
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: Neo on November 08, 2006, 03:54:49 pm
Quote from: "Glunnator"
You missed a few possibilitys...

MAC!! don't EVER forget the MAC!

Nintendo Gamecube
Nintend DS
Ninten GBA SP
Nint GBA
Nin GBC
Ni GBP
N GB
N 64
SNES
NES

Sony PsP
Sony Ps2
Son PS
So.... wait... no more?


Yeah maybe they're not nextgen, but they should be part of the choice!  :evil:


 :P

Seems someones a nintendo fanboi :D
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: Yay on November 09, 2006, 10:36:50 am
Meh Im sticking with pc, one of the reasons why theese consoles seem so good to some people is that there pc may be slow for example, it dosnt take that much power to run a console because it needs no operating system... and before you start saying i also like it because its imposible to crash consoles think again. when i was testing a game for atari i crashed the ps2 console, (i was testing testdrive incase neyone's wondering).
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: ShAdoW on November 12, 2006, 06:41:30 pm
Hmm I don't know so rly cause should i buy a Ps3 or a Xbox360 or Wii or a new graphic card or a new Hd tv with one of those consoles or just a new HD tv i don't know so, rly. :|
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: ShAdoW on November 12, 2006, 09:12:07 pm
Quote from: "Basilisco"
Being the Nintendo fan that i am, i want to get the Wii.
But i'm also a cashless unemployed student, so i doubt i'll get it the first 1 or 2 years :|

Don't worry you'll get the money 100%  :wink:
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: Rawr on November 12, 2006, 10:54:27 pm
360. fuck. ya.

gears of war+double agent+fear+halo3=dream team
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: ShAdoW on November 13, 2006, 11:07:57 am
Quote from: "bazuka_poo"
360. fuck. ya.

gears of war+double agent+fear+halo3=dream team

You forget Half-Life 2  :wink:
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: Kobrakai on November 20, 2006, 09:54:24 pm
The playstation 3 came out, and I've been waiting till anything was out before I pass any real judgement (not that I have any money to buy any nexgen console) Its turns out that this article -  New York Times on the Playstation 3 (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/20/arts/20game.html?_r=1&ref=arts&oref=slogin)- points out how it will fair in the nexgen war.

It doesn't even come with the cables for a high definition tv, unlike the 360, has to synch up each wireless controller with a wire, and has various other non-user-friendly features. It seems to be nothing more than a computer that is extremely difficult to use, especially online.

I like the idea of the Wii, the actually movement is the playing, its a feature the gamers have been waiting for since duckhunt, but I have to admit that I would prefer the 360, as I find that I like very little of what Nintendo has to offer in terms of games and style, and I am sick of diehard Nintendo fanboys who yell at me for suggesting that Halo could be fun. (And it has happened.)
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: Lava Croft on November 21, 2006, 12:49:45 am
As if Halo ever was the fun it would have been if M$ didn't steal it away from the PC crowd.
The Xbox 360 and PS3 add very little to the gaming world besides better GFX and controllers with even more buttons. Both are still heavily seated in what Nintendo started with the release of the Famicon/NES, while Nintendo itself has moved far beyond that, and in 10 years we will all laugh about the 360 and the PS3 with their uncontrollable controllers and endless blind focusing on GFX that will be outdated within a year after their release.
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: PIE on November 21, 2006, 06:15:31 pm
Yes.. like the wii all consoles will begin to launch with outdated graphics instead of waiting for them to expire years down the road.
And we shall marvel at how stripped of functionality things get when you loose all of your buttons and instead hinge it all on a buggy novelty gimmick that will be used in only so many ways over and over again and force developers to copy each other or create novelty games.. which is what you wanted anyway since your not really pushing the edges of the graphics or sound realm.. YOUR SYSTEM CAN'T EVEN PLAY CDS!
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: Lava Croft on November 21, 2006, 07:54:45 pm
First off, the Wii doesn't have to play CD's, I have a Personal Computer for all my multimedia tasks.
Secondly, why spend all that money on a machine that plays games that look better on your PC, and are controlled better too, with free internet acces.
Thirdly, this is not a gimmick, this is the way games will be controlled from now on, just like Nintendo defined the controller currently used by MickeySoft and Sony.
Fourth, Since we all know how the PS3 and Xbox 360 play, namely the same as a NES, only with vastly improved GFX and a lot more buttons you can barely reach, how come you already put down the Wiimote, while you obviously have never touched one?
Of course the first release will be gimmicky games, that will be unavoidable, people need to get used to the Wiimote, and it would be pretty dumb to indulge them into Wiimote for Pro's with hard to control games, but such games will arrive, firstly in the form of  Metroid Prime, the game that will show you how FPS is done with the Wiimote. Just wait, see, and admit you were wrong.

[EDIT] How dare you say that Nintendo consoles do not create novelty games? Nintendo is personally resonsible just about any innovation on the console market, besides the integration of internet, which comes on MickeySoft's conto. So please stop your lies.
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: PIE on November 22, 2006, 08:28:41 am
Nintedo makes great games.. in fact most of the time their games are the only good games for their system.. that was what i meant.. i'm STILL waiting for a DS game that grabs my attention..  
The wiimote is a neat idea.. but i think all in all its just not going to result in a large array of innovative playable games. There is just still a lot more you can do will all of those buttons than you can with a wiimote.. I'd rather use an NES light gun nunchuck for metroid :/ THAT would be awesome.

also.. rumors are in that they might be letting you play CDs&DVDs soon, and possibly even putting a HD drive in the system or having an add on later on.. so thats sort of nice..  (its not that i NEED it to play CDs or DVDs.. its the thought that counts :wink: )

I'm not buying any of them right now.. there are bugs and they will work them out.. and in a year or so we'll see who is doing their job right and who fundamentally modifies their system. I'm betting none of these systems are really COMPLETE yet.
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: SLAVE|Mietz on November 22, 2006, 08:35:42 am
You mean, you dont think it would be fun not only playing games like "onimusha" with a controler but indeed controling the SWORD the char holds?

Sounds like fun to me...
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: ShAdoW on November 22, 2006, 09:31:40 pm
Is this worster then bevor or better or just copied from the Wii? check this out-http://gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?fs=1&id=2185-
First trailer named Play B3yond-Control: I don't know for me it's gonna be annyoing to play.The old systeme from the Ps2 is much better. Check the others too.
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: Lava Croft on November 23, 2006, 02:41:23 pm
PIE, you blame Nintendo games for only being good on their own system, might I make up from those words that you are a supporter of porting a game to every concievable system, ultimately resulting in every console having the same games?
Again, most people don't buy a console to play ACD/DVD/CDROM/CDI or whatever crap, they buy it to play games.
I'll say it again, the Wiimote is not a gimmick, not for me, not for Nintendo and certainly not for all the people who have no bought a PS3 or Xbox360 due to the fact that most games on those systems are unplayable for anyone who doesn't have a lot of experience with computer games, since they require a ridiculous amount of buttons to even be remotely playable.
And as a last note, the best thing about consoles is the fact that you can have harmless fun in front of your TV, with everybody you want and lots of booze. I cannot wait to play the Wii with people who never cared for other consoles. The possibilities seems endless, now for the games.
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: PIE on November 24, 2006, 09:24:23 am
...Porting? I don't understand really how you got that from that. I was saying nintendo makes great games... but their systems lack good games that were not made by nintendo. Not that they needed to port them or anything.

I played wii sports today at a friends house and it was interesting indeed. The wiimote lies to make it where i don't get strikes in bowling...which is an obvious flaw.
Not to mention he told me about a whole bunch of wii games that were coming out that sounded mighty cool.. I might have to pick me up a wii sometime if those games actually pan out..
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: Lava Croft on November 24, 2006, 12:35:28 pm
Quote from: "PIE"
Nintedo makes great games.. in fact most of the time their games are the only good games for their system..

Blame that on developers trying to port their mediocre games from other consoles to a Nintendo console.
Title: Price
Post by: ShAdoW on December 17, 2006, 09:40:27 pm
****ing Pc I just wanted to edit my post then boom i must logging for the 2.time for zero and nothing... anyway this is what i wanted to post,

Wii would cost 249euro + Wii-remote 39euro + nuschuk-remote 19euro + Nintendo Wii game 39euro = ca.290euro

Ps3 would cost: 20GB! model 499euro + controler 39 euro + Ps3 game 49euro = ca.600 euro

Xbox360 now 1 year on market: Xbox360 399euro + controler 39euro + Xbox360 game 39-49euro = ca.500euro

Now my question is "what would u buy now"?

I'll buy maybe a Nintendo Wii graphic is not now my theme i can play enough HD games on my Pc  :)
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: PIE on December 18, 2006, 10:30:49 am
I got a 360 rather unexpectedly for my birthday.. I so far really like it except the for the fact I feel like a traitor since i just had the PS1/PS2 for a long time now... But.. i wouldn't be too eager to really jump out and get the other two right now.. they still have a lot of bugs to work out it would seem.
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: AKAnotu on December 25, 2006, 03:52:45 am
Quote from: "PIE"
PS3 will run sony into the ground. They need to drop blu-ray.. they are so obsessed with proprietary formats though..   With all the trouble they have, and the money they are going to loose on each console.. this would be the thing that kills them.
Development costs are going to be rediculous.. games are going to start getting very similar... except for.. the Wii
The wii will sell a ton initially.. but unless nintendo can get their heads out of their asses and stop making kiddie consoles, or gimmick consoles with novelty puzzle games (the DS) its not going to get any support and will just allow them to squeek by until the next generation.. like last time...
The wii is a great console with the right idea.. hopefully the massive costs and idiocy of sony, the up until now leader will drive some developers to nintendo... and they will stop being so narrow minded and get some violent GTA kinds of games on there to break their stupid kiddie pokemon image.

(Another note... anyone noticed the $60 games? THAT is the thing that keeps me from buying ANY of them.. i have a computer where games are still $49-39 (or even free like tremulous) most of the time and where the price drops pretty quickly.. they don't impose liscenses on computer games because noone has to recouperate console costs.. so the prices will stay reasonable.. so thats where i'm staying for now.)




the wii is actually really fun, even some of the kiddie games. Try playing rayman with a straight face, or look me in the eyes and tell me it wasn't fun. Plus, ONLINE SSBM! HOW AWESOME IS THAT!
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: ShAdoW on December 25, 2006, 10:34:15 pm
Quote from: "AKAnotu"
the wii is actually really fun, even some of the kiddie games. Try playing rayman with a straight face, or look me in the eyes and tell me it wasn't fun. Plus, ONLINE SSBM! HOW AWESOME IS THAT!

One question: The Wii has internet right? right. afaik I read in some other forums the Wii internet is free, for ever and in the other forums there they say the internet for the Wii is just free until (forgot the month  :P )
what's true now?
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: holyknight on December 26, 2006, 12:11:20 am
Quote from: "bazuka_poo"
360. fuck. ya.

gears of war+double agent+fear+halo3=dream team

yeah I guess you are right, all those games are da freaking awesome. :)
But I like PC better. You can still have FEAR and maybe other games you mentioned in there too (including Half-Life but I'm not getting that)
Personally, I LOVE RTS game, but all those consoles can't have that right? And if they do, they'll suck, right?
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: Lava Croft on December 26, 2006, 04:03:29 pm
Quote from: "holyknight"
Personally, I LOVE RTS game, but all those consoles can't have that right? And if they do, they'll suck, right?

Wiimote is perfect for RTS games.
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: holyknight on December 26, 2006, 06:41:13 pm
Quote from: "Lava Croft"
Quote from: "holyknight"
Personally, I LOVE RTS game, but all those consoles can't have that right? And if they do, they'll suck, right?

Wiimote is perfect for RTS games.

Really? That's sweet. But I never saw any RTS game for Wii... hope they do soon
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: benmachine on December 27, 2006, 01:05:25 am
Quote from: "ShAdoW"
Quote from: "AKAnotu"
the wii is actually really fun, even some of the kiddie games. Try playing rayman with a straight face, or look me in the eyes and tell me it wasn't fun. Plus, ONLINE SSBM! HOW AWESOME IS THAT!

One question: The Wii has internet right? right. afaik I read in some other forums the Wii internet is free, for ever and in the other forums there they say the internet for the Wii is just free until (forgot the month  :P )
what's true now?


The Wii connects wirelessly (or wired-ly if necessary, I think) to your network and through that to the internet without you spending a penny extra. So all online gaming services are free, unless the providers or developers do something clever and nasty (what with all the free ones, though, I reckon this will not prove popular, so most will probably stay away from such an arrangement). And, for now, the Opera web browser is a free download. At some point they will start charging for new downloads, but the lucky few who get in now will never have to pay.

Clear? I think my wording is a little opaque, and I haven't bothered to check my facts, but that's my understanding of the matter.
Title: Nexgen consoles and price.
Post by: ShAdoW on December 27, 2006, 01:16:14 am
Quote from: "benmachine"
Quote from: "ShAdoW"
Quote from: "AKAnotu"
the wii is actually really fun, even some of the kiddie games. Try playing rayman with a straight face, or look me in the eyes and tell me it wasn't fun. Plus, ONLINE SSBM! HOW AWESOME IS THAT!

One question: The Wii has internet right? right. afaik I read in some other forums the Wii internet is free, for ever and in the other forums there they say the internet for the Wii is just free until (forgot the month  :P )
what's true now?


The Wii connects wirelessly (or wired-ly if necessary, I think) to your network and through that to the internet without you spending a penny extra. So all online gaming services are free, unless the providers or developers do something clever and nasty (what with all the free ones, though, I reckon this will not prove popular, so most will probably stay away from such an arrangement). And, for now, the Opera web browser is a free download. At some point they will start charging for new downloads, but the lucky few who get in now will never have to pay.

Clear? I think my wording is a little opaque, and I haven't bothered to check my facts, but that's my understanding of the matter.

It's clib and clear, my english is not better,anway, Thx  :)