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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: 0z on November 23, 2006, 09:43:20 pm
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Starting teh war for something
(http://koti.mbnet.fi/probli/tremdemo/antiban.PNG)
AVI files:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/probli/Trem/HAXX
Original demo files:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/probli/tremdemo
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Documented and verified. Well done. :) Guess his ip is going out to all the admins.
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This is laughable, I've seen better aim on our server.
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well without admins tremulous is doomed
(since any kinda cheat/hack/whatever is possible)
votekick is also good but most ppl dont know how to use it. they kick someone else most of the time
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Most interesting bit was the alien tbh, human could be done by a real good human but the alien was clear.
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rofl nope
in the human part its so obious that this is an aimbot
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This is laughable, I've seen better aim on our server.
not really, It's a bot alright :(
mara 180' from one head to the other in the air aiming thru map elements
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It's a bot, but it looks like it doesn't know about headshots.
The human part can't be done by a real good human, it snaps directly from the mara to a dretch that just came down.
Plus the movement skill are far to low for someone with that aim (esp. the nading part). He can't find the medkit either...
Try /timescale .2 when watching the demo.
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I'd like to beat whoever made it. I can respect good coding, whatever its purpose, but that bot is pretty crappy.
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Great, now we DO have aimbots. :cry:
It's obvious that this guy is aimboting due to the way he moves.
While as human movement is somewhat OK, as a mara he'd get killed in a matter of 2 seconds without the "assisted" aim.
it seems that the alien bot coding is kinda shitty but human seems very accurate and fast.
I guess this is the begining of the end of Tremulous.
Pretty soon th eonly decent games are gonna be on private servers or Satgnu style weekend matches.
Ah well. Whuddaya gonna go.
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Dont worry most noobs dont even no how to code this guy is just a wee bit clever...........
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And if it's released?
This is one of the downfalls of having an open-source game. It's very simple to modify the client.. :D
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As if a aimbotter would release his/her work to the public their proud o their work and would not share.
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First of all to all who say this isnt an aimbot, YES IT IS.
Ok, first off. I have experience around hackers, they like to make it so you press a key and it tracks the person. So by the way this guy plays, he has the ''Aimbot'' on a hotkey. To all who dont believe me, think about it, who can turn 280 degrees and look at a humans head directly...WHO.
Second, for humans. It is a color following aimbot, see how he randomly shot the walls and floors? Thats because of the colors.
And to predalianator - as if? yes if. As he said, he hacks. He is telling the truth, he is a smart person. He can say that he uses hacks..what are we gonna do? You can ban him, but that wont stop him hacking -.-
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Modding huds with dretch xhairs is one thing but this is a whol new level of cheating
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Itś the well known. 5 years old, ***** Aimbot. Only a wonder that no asshole use it earlier.
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I had this guy on the [CC] server, didnt suspect anything, guess he wasn't aimbotting then.
He won't come in again..
:x
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It's very sad that some people use aimbots, pouncescripts or whatever :(
...think about it, who can turn 280 degrees and look at a humans head directly...WHO.
Yeah, Who can do that, he's so good <3
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Second, for humans. It is a color following aimbot, see how he randomly shot the walls and floors? Thats because of the colors.
bullshit Oo
that's just having autoaim activated and seeing an enemy around a corner for a few frames.
a few years ago there were (are?) some cheating communities around cs.
they had there own servers without any cheat protection, a few rules (like no speed, no autowall etc) and it was just a competition about who was having the fastest aimbot.
as I've been pretty active there i know my spare bout how different aimbots look like and act
and btw: colour aimbots are the most crappy thing ever...
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An aimbot competition would be pretty funny.
Hey everyone!
Lets see who can code a better aimbot!!!!
Mass Driver fiesta!!!
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actually it is really great fun :-)
but i beg everyone to not give away the source, some kiddie would be using it on normal servers for sure...
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if you have aimbot please send me the source code. PM is ok.
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nope i won't give it away to anyone
one funny thing about his bot:
he is aiming at the origin/lerpOrigin of his target entity :-D
thats why he doesn't do any headshots as an alien, rofl
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If you are tough enough to say you have an aimbot, also be tough enough to publish the source code. If not, just shut the fuck up.
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i dont have one.
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If you are tough enough to say you have an aimbot, also be tough enough to publish the source code. If not, just shut the fuck up.
why? you want one?
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If you are tough enough to say you have an aimbot, also be tough enough to publish the source code. If not, just shut the fuck up.
why? you want one?
you have one?
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If you are tough enough to say you have an aimbot, also be tough enough to publish the source code. If not, just shut the fuck up.
why? you want one?
you have one?
You need one?
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If you are tough enough to say you have an aimbot, also be tough enough to publish the source code. If not, just shut the fuck up.
You need one?
OWNED!!!
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If you are tough enough to say you have an aimbot, also be tough enough to publish the source code. If not, just shut the fuck up.
why? you want one?
you have one?
You need one?
OWNED!!!
eh? I said that I do need one
http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2606
http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=33471#33471
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nope i won't give it away to anyone
one funny thing about his bot:
he is aiming at the origin/lerpOrigin of his target entity :-D
thats why he doesn't do any headshots as an alien, rofl
I doubt many people understands what you are saying :P
He means the player box origin is near of the feets, and it's aiming there instead of aiming to near of the top of the box, which is extremely easy to find out.
BTW, I played against that guy a few times, and never suspected he was using any kind of cheat.
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BTW, I played against that guy a few times, and never suspected he was using any kind of cheat.
Really? Before I recorded those demos half of the players on the server asked me to ban him for using aimbot...
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Second, for humans. It is a color following aimbot, see how he randomly shot the walls and floors? Thats because of the colors.
Its not a color aimbot, true he did aim at the floors and walls, but he also locked on to a human that wasn't moving, that was no where on his screen. Watch the demo again, you'll see where it happens.
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Second, for humans. It is a color following aimbot, see how he randomly shot the walls and floors? Thats because of the colors.
Its not a color aimbot, true he did aim at the floors and walls, but he also locked on to a human that wasn't moving, that was no where on his screen. Watch the demo again, you'll see where it happens.
Ok, (pfft secunder and his aimbots)
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secunder should share them, so all the admins can patch it from servers
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secunder should share them, so all the admins can patch it from servers
Oh yeah, as if it was easy to do. :roll:
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Well, true, but dedicated admins would spend time doing it. Even though i am not an admin myself, i would volunteer to help the admins out, having lots of knowledge about how to patch servers from abusers
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If you are tough enough to say you have an aimbot, also be tough enough to publish the source code. If not, just shut the fuck up.
You need one?
OWNED!!!
Agreed!
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If you are tough enough to say you have an aimbot, also be tough enough to publish the source code. If not, just shut the fuck up.
You need one?
OWNED!!!
Agreed!
Looks like you misunderstood who i said that too. Noobs
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Aimbots should be shared with the developers, not everyone. From there, developers can work with admins they trust to work out methods to patch/minimize/defend, etc.
Failure to do so would show the true intentions of someone building aimbots and/or wallhacks IMHO.
I wonder is anyone (http://www.mpcforum.com/member.php?u=125735) is looking (http://www.mpcforum.com/showpost.php?p=1409016&postcount=3) for aimbots? :P
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secunder should share them, so all the admins can patch it from servers
you can't just patch a server to keep aimbots out.
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Patching them wont do any good, as long as the game is open source more will be created. The best you can do is hope the people writing them trust them with the write people, and dont let them get released, and that people dont go crazy accusing people of aimbot just because their better than them.
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you cannot "patch" an aimbot Oo thats plain stupid
/e of course you can patch your aimbot code Oo but you guys know what im talkin about
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Patching them wont do any good, as long as the game is open source more will be created. The best you can do is hope the people writing them trust them with the write people, and dont let them get released, and that people dont go crazy accusing people of aimbot just because their better than them.
this is useless crap! you just need an admin with bansticks. If there is doubt about aimbot you need to kick him asap.
you cant trust a cheater. because cheater=attention whore=gonna do anything for attention=releases the bot
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Patching them wont do any good, as long as the game is open source more will be created. The best you can do is hope the people writing them trust them with the write people, and dont let them get released, and that people dont go crazy accusing people of aimbot just because their better than them.
this is useless crap! you just need an admin with bansticks. If there is doubt about aimbot you need to kick him asap.
you cant trust a cheater. because cheater=attention whore=gonna do anything for attention=releases the bot
Why would a 'cheater' wanted to level the playfield again by releasing the his 'hacks'? Doesn't that ruin the whole point of creating them in the first place(to get an advantage)?
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some blabla
STFU cheater shithead, we still remember your dretch demo
how retarded 12yr old can be?
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I'm not 12. I'm 4.
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Second, for humans. It is a color following aimbot, see how he randomly shot the walls and floors? Thats because of the colors.
Its not a color aimbot, true he did aim at the floors and walls, but he also locked on to a human that wasn't moving, that was no where on his screen. Watch the demo again, you'll see where it happens.
Maybe he sees throught walls and has color following bot...
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Maybe, but that still doesn't explain how he was facing one direction and then turned completely around and locked onto a target.
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its an ent pos based bot , _not_ a color aimbot Oo
whats so hard to understand about that? ...
/e lol typo
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Yes, and aliens come in all colors of the rainbow, he would be shooting every wall on the map.
Plus it is plain retarded to make a color aimbot for an open source game ...
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How do i view the demo files[the original ones not the avi]
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How do i view the demo files[the original ones not the avi]
Put them in your...
C:\Program Files\Tremulous\Base\demos
directory then run tremulous, and before connecting to a server press the '~' key, and type 'demo demo1' or 'demo demo2'
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ok thanks
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//Copyright (C) 2007-2009 noskillol
#include"g_local.h"
#include"oyc.h"
void DoAimbot(centity_t *targ)
{
vec3_t org, ang;
vec3_t axis[3];
VectorSubtract(targ->lerpOrigin, cg.refdef.vieworg, org);
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.
.
}
void DoAutoshoot() {
static int fire_state=0;
if(fire_state && cg.crosshairClientNum<0) {
.
.
.
}
}
or something as stupid as this :P
btw coca-cola is still doing it the wrong way . small kid lol
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The best you can do is hope the people writing them trust them with the write people, and dont let them get released, and that people dont go crazy accusing people of aimbot just because their better than them.
The people we trust are the people capable of writing aimbots, but do not. You have failed in that. I know a number of people that have not failed in that trust.
Now that aimbots are demonstrably in existence for tremulous, you can count on "crazy accusing" of aimbot usage. You are partly to thank and to blame for that. You will also be watched very closely for it, I have watched you closely myself a number of times, and no doubt will again in the future.
You could work on a punkbuster like process for tremulous, you seem like you would have valuable input for such a thing. I somehow doubt that you will though. Truly I wish that you would.
Go ahead, read the OSS (http://www.opensource.org/) license and try to understand why building processes to defeat software built under such a license is particularly devious and shameful. It's not just us you steal the enjoyment of using this software from, but everyone who may have found use for it in the future.
Helping to build processes to defeat such cheating is, conversly, contributing to a great deal more than the existing Tremulous community. It would contribute to anyone who may find use for it in the future as well.
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The best you can do is hope the people writing them trust them with the write people, and dont let them get released, and that people dont go crazy accusing people of aimbot just because their better than them.
The people we trust are the people capable of writing aimbots, but do not. You have failed in that. I know a number of people that have not failed in that trust.
Now that aimbots are demonstrably in existence for tremulous, you can count on "crazy accusing" of aimbot usage. You are partly to thank and to blame for that. You will also be watched very closely for it, I have watched you closely myself a number of times, and no doubt will again in the future.
You could work on a punkbuster like process for tremulous, you seem like you would have valuable input for such a thing. I somehow doubt that you will though. Truly I wish that you would.
Go ahead, read the OSS (http://www.opensource.org/) license and try to understand why building processes to defeat software built under such a license is particularly devious and shameful. It's not just us you steal the enjoyment of using this software from, but everyone who may have found use for it in the future.
Helping to build processes to defeat such cheating is, conversly, contributing to a great deal more than the existing Tremulous community. It would contribute to anyone who may find use for it in the future as well.
I have not wrote an aimbot. If I were to write an aimbot, it would NEVER and I mean ABSOLUTLY NEVER be used in a public server. Though that seems to be the assumpion going around. -.- I think i know where that came from so let me clear it up now...
Because I use the MD alot and have practiced with it quiet a bit, i manage to pull off mid-air shots all the time, the first person to accuse me was gert. Finally i got so fed up, i said yes I aimbot, you suck, gg and g'day. A couple of people saw that so new every time i pull off a mid-air shot or something else, i aimbot. -.- It may bother other players in teh server, but i don't care in the least.
As for working on a patch for the aimbots. If I do make one, or someone else does, you can but your behind they aren't gonna release it, or at least not publicly. Because, whats the point if some script kiddy is gonna rip the code, someone spent so much time on make, apart and come up with a way around it. Yes, I 'may' make a patch for aimbots but not likely and if i do VERY FEW people will get it.
I don't understand how I'm partially to blame for this, the dev's knew what they were doing when they made this source. I'm also sure they knew aimbots were inevitable. I guarantee you if i had never stumbled across this site, and downloaded trem. Someone would still make an aimbot.
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This reminds me of a nice piece by ESR, "The Case of the Quake Cheats (http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/quake-cheats.html)." He agrees that there really is no way to stop these hacks, but argues that the client-server design for Quake isn't secure by design. It's an interesting read.
Hmm, on the evil end of things you could have the server dictate how the checksums are taken. We might be able to use some sort of salted hash with the salt coming from the server-side, but this would not ensure that the data hashed is the data being used. That would take additional techniques: make the client hash the data after it is loaded - this would require a major rewrite of the code to circumvent the checks.
Anyway, I don't think this is completely controllable, but it could be made a lot more difficult.
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Oh pleeeeease.
Client-cheat-protection in an OS? Get real.
Server-sided protection, again, in an OS? pffft, never gonna happen.
Aimbot-Protection in a game that uses OpenGL? Bound to fail, right from the start.
And don't start thinking PunkBuster really has a chance, not while there are Live-CDs to download with the hacked-games and the Cheats included.
And no, you don't need to modify the client to cheat.
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Again, it's not really that it can't be done, it's just a matter of discouraging it heavily without taxing the users that much. I was suggesting a way to prevent the obvious client modification that would circumvent the pure checks. We really just need to make it sufficiently non-trivial that nobody in Trem's (currently-small) userbase are really interested in doing so.
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Im basically useless for spotting aimbotters in trem. its pretty easy in other games : (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a348/pbking0101/8547064_l.gif)
^^thats americas army btw^^
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Im basically useless for spotting aimbotters in trem. its pretty easy in other games : (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a348/pbking0101/8547064_l.gif)
^^thats americas army btw^^
not a bad game despite it being the american recruitment game. AND IT"S T3H FR3N355!!!
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Just my 2 cents
An admin on our italian server recorded this demo...
I think we are speaking about the same person.
http://www.capponcino.it/tremulous/dl/player_demo/demo_55_6.dm_69
I'm very worried... :O
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Just my 2 cents
An admin on our italian server recorded this demo...
I think we are speaking about the same person.
http://www.capponcino.it/tremulous/dl/player_demo/demo_55_6.dm_69
I'm very worried... :O
yep, I kicked this shithead on alien wrath yesterday
the good things
-he is clueless, aimbot doesnt help him at all
-he IS a noob
-he kinda will be IP banned soon /me guesses
you can compare IPs with Caveman
http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1676
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Me and a few other }MG{ got to watch him earlier today on corbina.. i snapped a few demos despite being pretty new to recording demos and generally noobing the whole thing up, and getting a pretty bad ping.. but.. it looked exactly like the one up above.. some kind of bot definately.
We speculated that it appears to lock on when something gets near him and he can't seem to turn it off.. so he is no good at running away.
He sucks at dodging and fed almost the entire game and did a lot of teamkilling because he couldn't really control where he was looking, he generally sucked and couldn't stay alive. Dretchs vs his lasgun though... no chance.
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lol
he just dont know how to set view angle and aim direction separately
so that you wont be looking at the thing your bot aim at
otherwise it will ge shaky
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Every time my brother gets killed by a Mass Driver more than once, he accuses them of Aimbotting.
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I'm sorry I suck at demos sort of.. i've gotten a lot better but:
http://l1k3f1r3.googlepages.com/nooblera.dm_69
Thats my best one of him aimbotting as human.. his alien aimbots are not so good as his human one.
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Every time my brother gets killed by a Mass Driver more than once, he accuses them of Aimbotting.
lol he is right unless they have low ping
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I've seen people I know don't use aimbots (their aim sucks too much) lead the humans with a massdriver at over 250ms ping. It makes me cry because at 50ms, nothing is ever where it's supposed to be.
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(http://www.lamerkatz.com/stories/images/aimbot_pic.jpg)
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I remember that photo when it first came out... they where the good days for gaming... :)
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(http://www.lamerkatz.com/stories/images/aimbot_pic.jpg)
Holy crap, where do I get one of those? I could never compete with that!
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Every time my brother gets killed by a Mass Driver more than once, he accuses them of Aimbotting.
lol he is right unless they have low ping
i've seen people who can md at 80 ping (no they didn't have an aimbot)
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Every time my brother gets killed by a Mass Driver more than once, he accuses them of Aimbotting.
lol he is right unless they have low ping
i've seen people who can md at 80 ping (no they didn't have an aimbot)
Wow!! 80 ping. I'm assuming you were being sarcastic with that post kevlarman. Unless your ping is 100+ you won't have ping issues.
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Wow!! 80 ping. I'm assuming you were being sarcastic with that post kevlarman. Unless your ping is 100+ you won't have ping issues.
i might've seen more, but i wasn't sure, 80 is enough that you need to lead a dretch by about 2 times the size of its hitbox, so i consider that to be pretty bad. also, it only takes a few weeks of playing on only unlagged servers before you can't hit anything even at 50 ping :oops: .
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You have just witnessed the true Alien Crosshair, and why people with them tend to suck even worse.
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Who needs an alien crosshair when you have a hole in the center of paper stuck to your screen :)
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enough aimbot talk :-?
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enough aimbot talk :-?
you forgot "now, that I got one" part :P
btw that aimbot lameass has to be IP banned, he just killed dasprids server (probably flooded it, server was running old game.qvm)
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enough aimbot talk :-?
you forgot "now, that I got one" part :P
btw that aimbot lameass has to be IP banned, he just killed dasprids server (probably flooded it, server was running old game.qvm)
I developed one ages ago lol But it is pretty lame to play with one
no fun at all
and ppl should stop using those old game.qvm's they are more buggy then you can imagine :D
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enough aimbot talk :-?
you forgot "now, that I got one" part :P
btw that aimbot lameass has to be IP banned, he just killed dasprids server (probably flooded it, server was running old game.qvm)
I developed one ages ago lol But it is pretty lame to play with one
no fun at all
and ppl should stop using those old game.qvm's they are more buggy then you can imagine :D
All the main info i can scrape from that is. Summarized.
vcxzet developed an aimbot
its pretty lame to play with one, no fun at all
people should stop using old game.qvm
main point - you made an aimbot
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Wow!! 80 ping. I'm assuming you were being sarcastic with that post kevlarman. Unless your ping is 100+ you won't have ping issues.
i might've seen more, but i wasn't sure, 80 is enough that you need to lead a dretch by about 2 times the size of its hitbox, so i consider that to be pretty bad. also, it only takes a few weeks of playing on only unlagged servers before you can't hit anything even at 50 ping :oops: .
Depending on your skill in knowing where an alien is going to go, it can make things a bit better. I've successfully went on MD sprees (small ones, of course) with my usual ping of 150, but i stand no chance against a really good dretch
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enough aimbot talk :-?
you forgot "now, that I got one" part :P
btw that aimbot lameass has to be IP banned, he just killed dasprids server (probably flooded it, server was running old game.qvm)
I developed one ages ago lol But it is pretty lame to play with one
no fun at all
and ppl should stop using those old game.qvm's they are more buggy then you can imagine :D
All the main info i can scrape from that is. Summarized.
vcxzet developed an aimbot
its pretty lame to play with one, no fun at all
people should stop using old game.qvm
main point - you made an aimbot
what is the point of restating what I said?
and Yes I made one but I am not using it
(if you played against me you would know)
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Kay, hand me a new game.qvm patched with Tremstats and TJW :)
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Kay, hand me a new game.qvm patched with Tremstats and TJW :)
undeference's looked cool ask him
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btw shithead is using
inetnum: 84.0.64.0 - 84.0.127.255
netname: CATV-TO
descr: CATV clients (T-Online dynamic pool)
country: HU
admin-c: IV32-RIPE
tech-c: ZG10-RIPE
status: ASSIGNED PA
remarks: INFRA-AW
mnt-by: AS5483-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered
person: Irina Varnai
address: T-Online Hungary, Magyar Telecom Group
address: Pf.204
address: H-1364 Budapest
address: Hungary
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btw shithead is using
inetnum: 84.0.64.0 - 84.0.127.255
netname: CATV-TO
descr: CATV clients (T-Online dynamic pool)
country: HU
admin-c: IV32-RIPE
tech-c: ZG10-RIPE
status: ASSIGNED PA
remarks: INFRA-AW
mnt-by: AS5483-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered
person: Irina Varnai
address: T-Online Hungary, Magyar Telecom Group
address: Pf.204
address: H-1364 Budapest
address: Hungary
stop releasing my personal info
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Shameless stolen graphic :
(http://oppressed.net/aimbot.gif)