Tremulous Forum
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Paradox on December 03, 2006, 02:15:29 am
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Dear forum users and tremulous players,
Confess, who pays for sst, currently does not have a computer. He pays out of his pocket for the server each month, and in doing so, cant buy some things he wants. Please go to http://ssthosting.net and click the paypal donate button, or send money to ssmcserver0309@yahoo.com.
SST has costed $1,908 this year, and soon, our host will bump the price up.
While you may not like playing on sst, others do, and may not like playing on your server.
All in all, please donate and help out a member of the community.
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If i had some spare money to make a donation, i would give money to Tremulous instead of SST. This would really helps the whole community rather than one single server.
DONATION LINK FOR TREMULOUS :
---> http://sourceforge.net/donate/index.php?group_id=14890 <---
If people who plays on SST wanna help it, thats fine for me, but dont ask people who dont play on SST to pay for it.
Moreover, you always say that people who are banned from SST should go to SST forums instead of complaining here. Donating to SST is also a SST-related thing. So you shouldn t post here about that.
If you want your players to donate, advertise on your forums or ingame. Dont come here to whine.
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If i had some spare money make a donation, i would give money to Tremulous instead of SST. This would really helps the whole community rather than one single server.
DONATION LINK FOR TREMULOUS :
---> http://sourceforge.net/donate/index.php?group_id=14890 <---
If people who plays on SST wanna help it, thats fine for me, but dont ask people who dont play on SST to pay for it.
Moreover, you always say that people who are banned from SST should go to SST forums instead of complaining here. Donating to SST is also a SST-related thing. So you shouldn t post here about that.
If you want your players to donate, advertise on your forums or ingame. Dont come here to whine.
That's fine. SST's players will be playing with you soon.
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If i had some spare money make a donation, i would give money to Tremulous instead of SST. This would really helps the whole community rather than one single server.
DONATION LINK FOR TREMULOUS :
---> http://sourceforge.net/donate/index.php?group_id=14890 <---
If people who plays on SST wanna help it, thats fine for me, but dont ask people who dont play on SST to pay for it.
Moreover, you always say that people who are banned from SST should go to SST forums instead of complaining here. Donating to SST is also a SST-related thing. So you shouldn t post here about that.
If you want your players to donate, advertise on your forums or ingame. Dont come here to whine.
Seconded and agreed.
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If i had some spare money to make a donation, i would give money to Tremulous instead of SST. This would really helps the whole community rather than one single server.
DONATION LINK FOR TREMULOUS :
---> http://sourceforge.net/donate/index.php?group_id=14890 <---
If people who plays on SST wanna help it, thats fine for me, but dont ask people who dont play on SST to pay for it.
Moreover, you always say that people who are banned from SST should go to SST forums instead of complaining here. Donating to SST is also a SST-related thing. So you shouldn t post here about that.
If you want your players to donate, advertise on your forums or ingame. Dont come here to whine.
qft
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If i had some spare money to make a donation, i would give money to Tremulous instead of SST. This would really helps the whole community rather than one single server.
DONATION LINK FOR TREMULOUS :
---> http://sourceforge.net/donate/index.php?group_id=14890 <---
If people who plays on SST wanna help it, thats fine for me, but dont ask people who dont play on SST to pay for it.
Moreover, you always say that people who are banned from SST should go to SST forums instead of complaining here. Donating to SST is also a SST-related thing. So you shouldn t post here about that.
If you want your players to donate, advertise on your forums or ingame. Dont come here to whine.
+1
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While you may not like playing on sst, others do, and may not like playing on your server.
That's got to be one of the most selfish things I've ever heard from you. SST can go to hell. Bring on the sub-24 player servers.
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i doubt one in 20 people on this forum like playing on SST.
it falls, so be it, bring on the sub-24 servers.
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If i had some spare money to make a donation, i would give money to Tremulous instead of SST. This would really helps the whole community rather than one single server.
DONATION LINK FOR TREMULOUS :
---> http://sourceforge.net/donate/index.php?group_id=14890 <---
If people who plays on SST wanna help it, thats fine for me, but dont ask people who dont play on SST to pay for it.
Moreover, you always say that people who are banned from SST should go to SST forums instead of complaining here. Donating to SST is also a SST-related thing. So you shouldn t post here about that.
If you want your players to donate, advertise on your forums or ingame. Dont come here to whine.
qft
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I'd like to point out
All in all, please donate and help out a member of the community.
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On the other hand I did point out that layeredtech.com was and is too expensive to be used.
I feel with you guys, if you loose SST. But face it there are loads of server provider around that do it better, w/o windows and cheaper.
Even if I were a player on SST I would not be coerced into giving money...
Why should anyone pay for the failed attempt of selling overpriced crap?
Paradox I fail to see why you start begging for money from the players, when SST's plan to sell services fails and that business goes bancrupt?!
As the owner Anthony Chuck should face it and declare his business plan failed.
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Uh, I think you've got thinks a lil mixed up there buddy, all of you. Money is being forked over for you, a lot of it. All im asking is for a little bit in return, however I see that that is too much. You people are fools and really do not know how good you have it. Anthony Chuck is not the owner, he is the holder of the domain. The attempt at selling space was the attempt at gaining some lost profit back via the extra space that we had, we did not start up "a business", so to speak. Tremulous could just as easy become pay-to-play, and amny of you would be SOL. Yet again ill say it, a shitload of money has gone into this crap and ill im getting out of it is that you guys are ungreatful little bastards. The main reason we are even asking for donations is not because "i need a computer", but because of the fact that I was nice enought to spend money on this crap, and theres a possibility that the next months bill could not be paid, and with Christmas coming up, cash is tight.
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Uh, I think you've got thinks a lil mixed up there buddy, all of you. Money is being forked over for you, a lot of it. All im asking is for a little bit in return, however I see that that is too much. You people are fools and really do not know how good you have it. Anthony Chuck is not the owner, he is the holder of the domain. The attempt at selling space was the attempt at gaining some lost profit back via the extra space that we had, we did not start up "a business", so to speak. Tremulous could just as easy become pay-to-play, and amny of you would be SOL. Yet again ill say it, a shitload of money has gone into this crap and ill im getting out of it is that you guys are ungreatful little bastards. The main reason we are even asking for donations is not because "i need a computer", but because of the fact that I was nice enought to spend money on this crap, and theres a possibility that the next months bill could not be paid, and with Christmas coming up, cash is tight.
close sst. We are not worth your efforts
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Uh, I think you've got thinks a lil mixed up there buddy, all of you. Money is being forked over for you, a lot of it.
Come again? Where is this money you talk off?
Stop forking it my way and put it into SST, as I only play on our server.
All im asking is for a little bit in return, however I see that that is too much. You people are fools and really do not know how good you have it.
It is not too much, I never said that.
I just don't believe in pumping money into a failed business.
Anthony Chuck is not the owner, he is the holder of the domain. The attempt at selling space was the attempt at gaining some lost profit back via the extra space that we had, we did not start up "a business", so to speak.
I am sorry, then I read the data wrong. Say when exactly did SST open up?
I thought it was way after 19 Apr 2004, which is the date achosting.net was registered, which in turn is also a business and the host to SST-hosting (registered 02 Nov 2005). Both domains are owned by said Chuck. As both businesses have no imprint the domain holder IS the owner.
Tremulous could just as easy become pay-to-play, and amny of you would be SOL. Yet again ill say it, a shitload of money has gone into this crap and ill im getting out of it is that you guys are ungreatful little bastards. The main reason we are even asking for donations is not because "i need a computer", but because of the fact that I was nice enought to spend money on this crap, and theres a possibility that the next months bill could not be paid, and with Christmas coming up, cash is tight.
Aha I am an ungrateful little bastard. Just because I have no desire to pay for some fishy setup I don't use?
Go and ask your customers and/or make SST a pay per play server.
I don't care. I have nothing to do with SST. SST did nothing for me and never will, ergo no money from this little bastard, that has the gall to expect something in return for his money :gasp:
You might not be in this shitty situation if you had done like I said some month back and changed to a cheaper hoster. But now you see the price you pay for you desicion and now the trem community is at fault because it will not pay your foolishness?
Get real.
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Uh, I think you've got thinks a lil mixed up there buddy, all of you. Money is being forked over for you, a lot of it. All im asking is for a little bit in return, however I see that that is too much. You people are fools and really do not know how good you have it. Anthony Chuck is not the owner, he is the holder of the domain. The attempt at selling space was the attempt at gaining some lost profit back via the extra space that we had, we did not start up "a business", so to speak. Tremulous could just as easy become pay-to-play, and amny of you would be SOL. Yet again ill say it, a shitload of money has gone into this crap and ill im getting out of it is that you guys are ungrateful little bastards. The main reason we are even asking for donations is not because "i need a computer", but because of the fact that I was nice enought to spend money on this crap, and theres a possibility that the next months bill could not be paid, and with Christmas coming up, cash is tight.
Wow. You do realize that the ungrateful bastards you are referring to are busy playing on your server, and that most of them probably don't visit this forum? A lot of the people on this forum are server operators, who donate their own time and resources to run a server. There are MANY MANY servers, (+90 my last count) so the likelihood that tremulous will go pay to play is just above nil?
No offense, but noone here asked you donate a +50 slot server to the public. A lot of us donate resources as we can, time, etc. We do not expect anything in return except to have a good game on occasion.
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I don't play in SST. That being said, I give thanks for the effort of keeping the server up. Now, if you can't afford it, just give out, and please, don't understand it as any kind of missrespect. It's simply not worth it. There are many other servers, half of them empty the whole time. Stop wasting your money in something that isn't really needed at this moment.
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Bring SST server to yurop! We need a low ping 50+ slots server there
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That's fine. SST's players will be playing with you soon.
if all else fails coerce the community, thats oh so raven!
Bring SST server to yurop! We need a low ping 50+ slots server there
no we dont
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Personally, I had given up on this server. The uncontrolled noob fest, nade endings and early SD made it unenjoyable to play. Now, it auto-selects the team (Aliens/Human) to automatically put you on? I see it as no great loss, but as I said in the beginning. That's just me.
Diggs
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I always found it a interesting, although clearly failed experiment. That said, if you play on SST regularly (mock mock), don't hesitate to donate.
Good luck with it.
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That's fine. SST's players will be playing with you soon.
if all else fails coerce the community, thats oh so raven!
LOL, don't worry.
If SST goes down, I can't wait for the 'OMG everything bad that's happening on my server is done by SST players' complaints.
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I always found it a interesting, although clearly failed experiment.
Not to argue-
But I don't think failed would be correct. I think it is unsustainable. The type of players that SST attracts are not the ones that either have money to donate, or are willing to donate the money they have.
I have always voluntarily supported the servers I game on and will continue to, just as I have donated to Tremulous developement itself.
Diggs
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I find it hard to have sympathy for anyone who asks for someone for money to support a server they don't play on and then proceeds to insult them and call them ungratefull even though most of these people IN NO WAY BENIFITED from SST being up and running at all in the first place.
Go blame the person who asked you to start a 50 slot server and get them to fork over money for you.
You can ask for money all you want, but that kind of cost for that server.. i think you are wasting your time.. and after your post here, and all of the other excellent posts i think any furture pleas to the forums would be barking up the wrong tree.
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btw its $170 a month, I pay less for the rent + TV + electricity + 4Mbit internet. For that kind of money one could have 3 dedicated boxes on 3 mayor continents
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for 170$ you can have about 10 servers here in Germany, if you are not to picky and stick with windows...
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Nah, it's more true, you can have 3 good servers at server4you for that. You'll never get a real dedicated server for 10$ ;P
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AKKA is the new SST
You heard it here first
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AKKA is the new SST
You heard it here first
/callvote map gloom_b1
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/callvote map gloom_b1
/callvote map meep_b2
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/callvote map gloom_b1
/callvote map meep_b2
/callvote kick {SGA}Pacra
But seriously, most of the "experienced" SST players probably won't move there because they don't have their precious tjw commands and they don't automatically get admin for getting over 5 kills. The number of !listplayers and /m's in the chatbox on AKKA when SST wasn't on the list was incredible.
I'm sure given the amount of power they would assume, someone will come along and make a "new" SST.
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AKKA has no FF, which is why I played on SST in the first place.
I'll play whatever server has FF before I play AKKA. Size isn't everything, at least in video games.
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AKKA is the new SST
You heard it here first
Unfortunately. AKKA has become a noob fest without even admin control.
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12 slots
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100 bp
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no crappy patches
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good admins
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a good trem server
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Good luck with it.
If Lava Croft just said the nicest thing in a thread, we're all doomed.
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I wouldn't, in my right mind, pay for a server that lags that bad with 40+ players.
I'v seen tribes servers that have played smoothly at 90+ players.
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I for one wish them all the luck in funding the sst server. He's been paying out of pocket and its gotten to be expensive.
I say again, Good luck.
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Thank you door slammer, you made me have a little hope for the tremulous community, most of the responses in this thread are fairly disgusting
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24 Slots
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Bad Admins
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100 Bps
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AKKA
AKKA is the new SST
You heard it here first
Screw that shit. Akka will never be as popular as SST. NEVER.
Akka has good players. There are not enough admins on at a time and the admins act as if the have down syndrome. enough said.[/rant]
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I recommend posting your requests for donation in game.
/cp Feed me!
As mentioned by others, most of your regulars probably don't even look here or your site. I understand the costs associated with hosting a game server, but if you go overboard with your setup (as SST has), your bound to lose in the long run!
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:/ i just read this and all i mostly see is flaming how 1 server is better then others.
everyone has their likes and dislikes when it comes to servers. playercounts, ff, ping, all are different on each server.
i only play on 3 servers.
BG since its my friend shafe's server and he has beer. playercount is moderate now and ff is off. settings are mostly default. great place to get started.
SATGNU, ping might be kinda high for me 130 constant from college. but thats cause im in usa and its in europe. i still go on cause player count is perfect when server is full. and i have a lot of friends that ive know since stand alone release there and i just like to hang out with them.
and yes SST is my other server i like to play on. y cause i just find it challenging to play against a massive amount of people and even more massive amount of bp. plus i have a crapload of friends there too.
id donate if i could but im struggling to get through college as it is. i can only sit by and watch all u guys flame SST.
all i ever see in this f'n server is f'n flaming posts about balance issues and trem is never balanced and all these noobs and aimbots and f'n whos the best player and builder, this server blah blah blah they all become flaming posts.
im kinda sick and tired of reading this forum.
in summary i just wanna wish SST luck and pray it doesnt go down so i can continue having fun with my friends. as for a crapload of other people on this forum ur all an embarresment to this community and practically every other post here makes me feel shitty that im part of a nuby forum.
/set nubs&flamersfilter 1
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To all the flamers on the thread:
You should have listened to when your mother told you to keep your mouth shut if you dont have anything nice to say, if not for the reason of being a good person then at least do it so you all don't look immature and childish.
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I've never used those servers so can't comment, but if something is crap then people have the right to say its crap. Otherwise we'd live in a world like Microsoft and Windows.
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if something is crap then people have the right to say its crap. Otherwise we'd live in a world like Microsoft and Windows.
Actually, if gates hadn't thought "this shareware system is crap" in the first place there wouldn't be any proprietary software :)
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all i ever see in this f'n server is f'n flaming posts about balance issues and trem is never balanced and all these noobs and aimbots and f'n whos the best player and builder, this server blah blah blah they all become flaming posts.
im kinda sick and tired of reading this forum.
in summary i just wanna wish SST luck and pray it doesnt go down so i can continue having fun with my friends. as for a crapload of other people on this forum ur all an embarresment to this community and practically every other post here makes me feel shitty that im part of a nuby forum.
/set nubs&flamersfilter 1
Thank you for one of the most insightful posts in this thread. Even though I don't ever play on SST (it seems like madness to me with that many players), I also appreciate that some people like to play there. I'm not much of an FF guy - Trem doesn't seem right for FF, it seems too fast. That's just my opinion, and I'm sure there are 50 fourm posters who will flame me for it. I just don't like the idea of getting shot in the back by some n00b with bad aim who hasn't played before. Again, it's just an opinon.
So yeah, even though I don't necessarily agree with everything SST does, I respect that it's some people's idea of fun. Seriously, I'd love for BG and other servers around to get their hands on that patchset, it seems rather interesting. There's a positive thing that SST has done for the community. I think it's great that the guys there have been willingly paying for a server for often-ungrateful players. I'd personally suggest Linux as a cheaper option (I understand they run Windows), but again, it's an opinion issue. I'm not really one to talk about server details though, I don't run one at the moment.
Kudos to the SST guys. :D
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SST has costed $1,908 this year, and soon, our host will bump the price up.
Thats $173/mo for an oversize server. Tremulous was (officially) not meant for more than 24 players (see server.cfg) and IMO doesn't work for more than 12-14. Save yourself some money, downgrade to DSL and host at \rate 3000.
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all i ever see in this f'n server is f'n flaming posts about balance issues and trem is never balanced and all these noobs and aimbots and f'n whos the best player and builder, this server blah blah blah they all become flaming posts.
im kinda sick and tired of reading this forum.
in summary i just wanna wish SST luck and pray it doesnt go down so i can continue having fun with my friends. as for a crapload of other people on this forum ur all an embarresment to this community and practically every other post here makes me feel shitty that im part of a nuby forum.
/set nubs&flamersfilter 1
.... I hope since you are so experienced here you know by now whining solves nothing. If you want to do any good, try contributing quality posts and threads. The whole forum if you are around long enough and read enough just keeps going around in circles repeating itself, and those who have seen it, get tired of it, and instead of trying to move it forward, they flame, or destroy threads.. or whine..
This SST thread however should have expected it and the condescension from those who use the server and come here to express support will only deepen the problem. A lot of people have problems with SST. They have problems with the kinds of players it creates, and they have problems with the way that a server like that warps the way you play the game, and for a lot of new players who tend to jump into the big servers first (so their disparities are not so noticeable), judge tremulous based on SST. I don't play there personally, because I feel it degrades my ability to play on regular servers. Expressing my opinion here, and the others doing similar is the culmination of all those SST discussions that have been going on. To expect them not to crop up here is ignoring reality.
I think its naive to expect this kind of return spontaneously from the people that play on your server. I find his response insulting, as do I find the insinuations in the rest of the SST posters posts insulting, while it is you, your server, and your community, not mine, that is asking for help. You guys need to learn humility and tact if you ever expect to get anything from anyone on the net, where this degeneration into flaming and whining seems to be so extremely easy. A LOT EASIER THAN DIGGING INTO MY WALLET. Especially for a server I and a lot of people here, as stated so many times, DO NOT PLAY ON.
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Good job pie, you managed to wrap all the flaming up in this thread in one post dripping with your opinions.
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For all you SST haters think about this. If SST closes where would all the noobs go? They would invade all of the other servers!!!
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This horse is dead...
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For all you SST haters think about this. If SST closes where would all the noobs go? They would invade all of the other servers!!!
namely beer garden....home of thousands of noobs.
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SST is an average server, lots of noobs, deconners, and people who are plain idiots. But the price maybe too much. I mean it's not like you can keep up the server for like a year without clearing out your bank account money. Now they ask to donate, wow, we get so much time left until they ask for another donation. If SST goes down, I won't be surprised. Who can afford to pay almost 2000 dollars a year, with everything else needed to be payed for.
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While you may not like playing on sst, others do, and may not like playing on your server.
All in all, please donate and help out a member of the community.
I suspect a large portion of the flaming you complain about can be sourced to a misunderstanding as to what you meant by the above quote, which I myself had to look at twice. Taken in context of the whole, it can be read to imply that an individual should donate because there are those who do not like playing on that individuals server. I do not think that this was intended. In fact, I think that what was intended was to try to help avoid the kinds of reactions you are getting.
To some degree, I do not feel the reactions are entirely unfair though. This site does request donations on the front page so you are bound to catch some heat from it's members in asking for your own donations on their forum. You have also spoken very directly to the fact that concerns, comments, and/or complaints about SST should be taken to the SST forums. That people here who have seen this would expect you to do the same with a request for donations is not unrealistic or an unreasonable request, though I would not make it.
It does not help that confess spoke with such a condescending tone.
Money is being forked over for you, a lot of it
You people are fools and really do not know how good you have it.
a shitload of money has gone into this crap and ill im getting out of it is that you guys are ungreatful little bastards.
Take me for instance, I operate a server, and help with others. Additionally, I have donated to tremulous and others in teh community and I intend to continue. Modest amounts I admit, but I do believe in supporting good communities where I can, and I think we all should. After all, noone playing tremulous is going hungry. The only reason I have a server running is because enormous amounts of time has been expended by many people to build what was needed to create the game itself. Reading about what an ungrateful bastard of a fool that I and others are is disconcerting at best, particularly when some of the people confess seems to be referring to are recommending donations to the developers of the server you are running.
With 30 people presently playing on sst, the #mercenariesguild irc bot reports:
<Adv_Dretch> Found 333 players on 94 servers.
SST is a part of a whole, and not the largest part.
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Ultimately, we should all contribute. If you play a great deal on a server, donate to them. Even $1 if possible, it all adds up. If everyone who played on sst donated $2 the monthly costs would be covered in week one! And what's $2 a month?! We shouldn't stop there though, the tremulous dev's have devoted enormous amounts of time building, fixing, tuning, you name it. We may not be able to pay an hourly wage to them, but we can certainly help buy a new computer, or even a nice dinner! All through $1 and $2 dollar donations! They have all helped you to have a LOT of FUN! Help them to do the same :)
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Remember, sst also hosts other servers in the community, like one MG server. If we cant pay for the server, the hosting goes down.
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SST does not host any MG server, and hasn't for a while now.
AFAIK there are no other servers being hosted by SST at all. I was the only paying customer you ever had.
I'm not sorry to say that I agree with those you've labeled as "flamers" in this thread. If sst goes down or stays up, doesn't matter. Keep these sorts of threads on your own forum and your own server. Begging for donations on the wrong forum while insulting everyone else is not going to get you very far and I'm surprised you haven't actually been flamed.
Khalsa
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I'm not sorry to say that I agree with those you've labeled as "flamers" in this thread. If sst goes down or stays up, doesn't matter. Keep these sorts of threads on your own forum and your own server. Begging for donations on the wrong forum while insulting everyone else is not going to get you very far and I'm surprised you haven't actually been flamed.
I like that Khalsa, and about all of that is true. Insulting people while wanting donations is like, shouting at a kid for his candy.
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Funny, i have actually been flamed.