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Title: Watah - new map
Post by: kaziorvb on December 03, 2006, 06:34:10 pm

UPDATE 3:
some fixes applicated - train resynchronisation, some textures

redownload if youve got got version made before 24-Feb-2007 16:27
[16MB]. link is the same

UPDATE 2:
Recompiled with full vis - fps is godly now. Fixed missing textures, models etc. And yes - i use nodraw for water.

IMPORTANT!: Re-download if youve got version made before 23-Feb-2007 20:59.

UPDATE:

Hi, I just released Watah Beta 5.
I hope it is a better release than Beta 4 and the others.
Bumped also Watah Site (Watah (http://www.watah.dl.am)) - where you can find whole screen gallery. Or you can use a direct link:
Watah Screens (http://www.wtsh.xt.pl/b5/)

Anyway, download link:
Watah Beta 5 (http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watah/map-watah-b5.pk3)

watah-b5.bsp
/map watah-b5
/callvote map watah-b5

And of course some sample screens:

Water tank:
(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots//b5/shot0000%20(Small).jpg)

Human base:
(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots//b5/shot0001%20(Small).jpg)

Alien base:
(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots//b5/shot0092%20(Small).jpg)

Stone Hall:
(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots//b5/shot0098%20(Small).jpg)

Airport:
(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots//b5/shot0061%20(Small).jpg)

I also added sounds, location names and some moving stuff.

Hope you'll like it, and waiting for feedback.

kaziorvb

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: tuple on December 03, 2006, 07:01:50 pm

this map is up on the }MG{ Beta Server
it is available for voting.
/callvote map watah

http downloads is also available.

Have fun! ;)

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: Greudin on December 03, 2006, 07:28:00 pm

(http://greudin.free.fr/medias/image/v-applause.jpg)

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: PwNz! on December 03, 2006, 08:39:53 pm

Yea, this map is cool. Love the water :), suppose thats where you got the "Watah" from.

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: poto killer on December 03, 2006, 08:51:13 pm

this map is so cool, if only it had  a cool name like 'im to cool for a name' 8)

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: Survivor on December 03, 2006, 08:51:28 pm

Try not to use the same texture for ceiling, walls and floor. Make it less boxy. Human starting base is too cramped. The idea is getting there but the execution is severely lacking. Wouldn't release this under the name beta though.

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: Vector_Matt on December 04, 2006, 01:31:32 pm

About 1/2 of those pics where really dark. Mabey you could ad another light or two to the human base and random hallways.

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: stalefries on December 04, 2006, 10:52:27 pm

I really like some of those textures, although I have to agree, don't make walls/roofs/floors the same. Also, in the dirt-textured rooms, try to give the wall some 3d-texture too.

Quote from: "Vector_Matt"

About 1/2 of those pics where really dark. Mabey you could ad another light or two to the human base and random hallways.

Oh God, NO!! Leave it dark! If someone wants it brighter, they can mess with their own gamma.

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: holyknight on December 04, 2006, 11:36:59 pm

Darkness = more intense = pure awesomeness XD
didn't really test the map yet (can't busy) but I'll try when I have time

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: kaziorvb on December 09, 2006, 09:41:59 pm

Hi again,

I'm comin with an update.

I've just released fourth beta of Watah (I decided to skip beta 3 release).

It can be downloaded directly from here:
http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watah/map-watah-b4.pk3

BSP name:
watah-b4.bsp

Loading:
/map watah-b4

Callvoting:
/callvote map watah-b4

Here are few screenshots:

The new water tank
(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots/b4/shot0001.jpg)

New human base (dark here but lighter in tremulous):
(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots/b4/shot0031.jpg)
(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots/b4/shot0033.jpg)

New alien base
(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots/b4/shot0022.jpg)
(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots/b4/shot0023.jpg)

And some other shots:
(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots/b4/shot0020.jpg)

(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots/b4/shot0018.jpg)

(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots/b4/shot0017.jpg)

(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots/b4/shot0015.jpg)

(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots/b4/shot0013.jpg)

(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots/b4/shot0022.jpg)

(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots/b4/shot0010.jpg)

(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots/b4/shot0007.jpg)

(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots/b4/shot0006.jpg)

(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots/b4/shot0005.jpg)

(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots/b4/shot0002.jpg)

(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots/b4/shot0034.jpg)

(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots/b4/shot0030.jpg)

(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots/b4/shot0026.jpg)

(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots/b4/shot0024.jpg)

I know - they look "a little bit" dark, but in trem (ofc depends on brightness that has been set) those places are lighter, and IMO playable.

For a complete gallery follow link below:

http://[img]http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots/b4/

I'm waiting for your opinions and feedback.

Hope you'll like it ;)

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: Taiyo.uk on December 09, 2006, 10:12:58 pm

http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watah/map-watah-b4.pk3

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: kaziorvb on December 09, 2006, 11:13:00 pm

Yeah,

I had a lot of server problems - but finally I fixed them.
I also did some optimalisations so the map's weight is much lower.

Grab it now! :P:
http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/map-watah-b4.pk3

It also had a bug with BSP name. Now everything's ok.

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: kaziorvb on December 09, 2006, 11:36:58 pm

lol... im startin to REALLY HATE MY ISP...

firstly - lags ... ive got lags all the time - regular lags (ping 999 for 20 seconds and then about 5 minutes of normal ping). omfg....

secondly - i did over 10 tries to upload a workin pk3 of watah beta 4... and now, while i was goin to bed - i tried the last one (bytes amount was ok etc) - lol... it doesnt work... fails while loading - wrong BSP version O_o........ omfg...

i cant stand it anymore... for now - no workin pk3... ill fix it tomorrow (or lol today! its half past midnight here...).

ok im sorry for those problems... watah b4 will be up tomorrow (today...)

good night...

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: krom on December 10, 2006, 12:13:04 am

That's V!!!!!

Quote from: "Greudin"

(http://greudin.free.fr/medias/image/v-applause.jpg)

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: techhead on December 10, 2006, 05:10:23 am

Wow, I thought the bases were a little too close, and my prayers have been answered!!!!
Well done!!!!
Make a single acid tank, for the idiots to fall in.

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: holyknight on December 10, 2006, 07:03:54 am

(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6312/5905tr8.png)

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: kaziorvb on December 10, 2006, 10:53:38 am

Holyknight:

Quote from: "kaziorvb"

for now - no workin pk3... ill fix it tomorrow (or lol today! its half past midnight here...).

im tryin to fix it atm...[/quote]

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: kaziorvb on December 10, 2006, 11:16:59 am

ok,

finally.. i uploaded working pk3, here comes the link:
http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watah/map-watah-b4.pk3

i downloaded it and tested so think its workin one. but if its not - report errors.

have fun!

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: kaziorvb on December 10, 2006, 12:31:14 pm

fixed size of screenshots (640x480 atm)

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: kaziorvb on December 14, 2006, 06:47:06 pm

hi,

ive just made a small site of watah - http://www.watah.dl.am

i will post there every bigger change and ofc the releases.

here on trem forum i will only post that its out + link but all the info will be on watah site.

note: flash player 8 (or newer) is needed to run this site

hope youll like it

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: holyknight on December 14, 2006, 11:24:06 pm

I tried it and I must say it is really good :)
the water effect was just... awesome...
but gameplay won't be that good I believe... humans could rush right from the beginning.

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: kaziorvb on December 15, 2006, 02:11:06 pm

holyknight:

rush right? what do you mean? i think you meant gameplay in beta2 (where alien base was extremely near to humans' - now its kinda far away) - but maybe im wrong.

im workin on b5 - now im makin it a lot more detailed. actually i decided to start it from 0 - so im re-makin it and addin new improvements. atm i made the human base (2 rooms connected with water corridor -- now tyrant will fit there) and those 2 symetric halls above it. i added some pipes, corrected water light issue and ofc detailed walls etc. i will publish some shots today or tomorrow

but really tell me - have you tested watah b2 or b4?

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: holyknight on December 15, 2006, 11:24:23 pm

I...dont...know...
I have both b2 and  b4... but maybe probably b2...
oh well, at least the water effect is freaking awesome :)

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: kaziorvb on December 27, 2006, 11:00:59 pm

as you know (i think) im workin on watah beta 5

im quite far away from the release, but i prepared some shots from preview 2 of it.

example shot:

(http://www.wtsh.xt.pl/b5-preview2/shot0050%20(Small).jpg)

for full gallery:

http://www.wtsh.xt.pl/b5-preview2/

but lol, now theyre too bright O_o... in game those places look fine (imo), and dont expect those places will look the same in final b5 - im changin some of them.

notice that i began makin it from 0 - theyre fresh (and no hollow, substract and other crap - thx mappers xD)

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: Survivor on December 27, 2006, 11:04:23 pm

You're on the right path kazior! Although you still have some akward texturing habits. But we'll see in the beta :)

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: kaziorvb on December 31, 2006, 01:47:41 pm

some new shots - watah beta5 preview3

http://www.wtsh.xt.pl/b5-preview3/

example screen:

(http://www.wroclaw.mm.pl/~kaziorvb/watahsite/shots/b5-preview3/shot0111%20(Small).jpg)

btw, Surv, could you tell me which places iyo lack with the quality of texturing?

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: n00b pl0x on December 31, 2006, 07:22:48 pm

Are you working on a few rooms that are circular? Everything I've seen so far is rectangular except for that giant column of light, and the little lights on the ceiling. I like the idea of having a map with a lot of water, but this one still needs a few more betas :)

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: Survivor on December 31, 2006, 09:00:30 pm

Post up a link to the latest beta so i can make an accurate assesment. I know that texturing is a bitch and i myself leave it out till last. :)

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: kaziorvb on January 01, 2007, 10:45:20 am

pl0x: nope, not only rectangular roomsa and object , dont worry ;p

surv: i dont release previews - only shots for now

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: Survivor on January 01, 2007, 11:51:28 am

Basic rule, never ever release previews. The only way to accurately judge a map is by playing it. Screens tell us barely anything. So we'll wait till you release the next one.

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: kaziorvb on January 02, 2007, 05:02:49 pm

ok

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: kaziorvb on January 02, 2007, 09:25:48 pm

ok

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: kaziorvb on February 12, 2007, 10:24:33 pm

im finishing beta 5, im pretty sure it will be out this week.

anyway for screen needs here are some (but featured places might be/have been changed): Watah Screens (http://www.wtsh.xt.pl)
all screens in folders "b5-previevX" (X = preview number) are from beta 5. some of them are not up to date.

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: kaziorvb on February 22, 2007, 10:43:41 pm

Beta 5 is out!
check out the first post

bump

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: gareth on February 23, 2007, 12:52:06 pm

(beta4)

for a map that is pretty damn ugly, and contains many gimmicks, it is surprisilngly fun to play.

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: kaziorvb on February 23, 2007, 12:58:48 pm

but what about beta5 :D

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: gareth on February 23, 2007, 04:03:43 pm

beta5 is unplayable due to a lack of vis-ing, and lots of missing textures.

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: kaziorvb on February 23, 2007, 04:20:58 pm

can you precise?

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: Warrior on February 23, 2007, 06:33:25 pm

Beta5 seems to be a complete rework of the map. It brought many new places and numerous new bugs, more than the new places. If you want do another great change, I think you should consider in changing the development status to Alpha instead of Beta.
The problems:
1. Whole map has FPS totally reduced in comparison to the Beta4. Tip: avoid building rooms inside bigger rooms what causes the game to render all the big one even if it is not visible, increasing lag and reducing frame-rate (FPS).
2. Many textures overlap giving very bad appearance in some places.
3. Some places are unplayable like the new lava and the subway. Remember we have aliens and humans in Tremulous.
4. Since your first version you don't have learned to use the Nodraw shader in water to avoid water-walls where two water brushes encounter each other.
5. I don't like the atcs force-field shader use you made in the "Airport".
6. Probably many more things I don't took notes.

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: kaziorvb on February 23, 2007, 08:07:44 pm

Warrior:

1. fixed - now its good
2. where?
3. why? wallwalkin aliens can reach humans on platforms and humans can run away from non-wallwalkin aliens..
4. i use nodraw
5. maybe ill change that - but its also just your opinion, your taste
6. hope not so many -.-

anyway - download link is the same, but another pk3.

hf

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: kaziorvb on February 23, 2007, 10:27:48 pm

ill release tomorrow a corrected one with fixed train synchronisation... i changed distance by a mistake and synchronisation drops out minute by minute

+ ill change some textures at airport

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: kaziorvb on February 24, 2007, 04:02:51 pm

fixed and uploaded once again...

im sorry for all those changes.. but redownload if youve got earlier version

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: Warrior on February 24, 2007, 06:40:28 pm

First, some errors I get when running the map in my server:

Code: [Select]

G_PickTarget called with NULL targetname
G_PickTarget called with NULL targetname
FinishSpawningBuildable: team_human_mgturret startsolid at (832 -608 128)
Some pictures now:
(I don't know if you already fixed any)
[Edit: UPDATED]

Small texture overlap:
(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/8875/shot0236qg9.th.jpg) (http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot0236qg9.jpg)

Need NoDraw:
(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4884/shot0238ey1.th.jpg) (http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot0238ey1.jpg)

Ugly tubes:
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4852/shot0239hd8.th.jpg) (http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot0239hd8.jpg)

The worse texture overlap I've ever seen:
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6923/shot0241rc0.th.jpg) (http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot0241rc0.jpg)

Again, from another angle:
(http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/6413/shot0242ee3.th.jpg) (http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot0242ee3.jpg)

Why do we need that semi-transparent yellow brush in the ceiling?
(http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/3580/shot0243gd6.th.jpg) (http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot0243gd6.jpg)

[Edit: Fixed] Small detail:
(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6337/shot0244km0.th.jpg) (http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot0244km0.jpg)

I think you could put some NoDraw there (not sure if you want to do it):
(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/5812/shot0246hf3.th.jpg) (http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot0246hf3.jpg)

Broken buttons (all buttons from those small tanks seems to be broken):
(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/545/shot0247iq0.th.jpg) (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot0247iq0.jpg)

Broken buttons again:
(http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/3654/shot0258xl0.th.jpg) (http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot0258xl0.jpg)

That room has some texture problems specially if looking from this angle (it doesn't appear in the picture however):
(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3020/shot0250ek2.th.jpg) (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot0250ek2.jpg)

[Edit: Fixed] Your subway is not synchronized with the doors:
(http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/6837/shot0254gc9.th.jpg) (http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot0254gc9.jpg)

[Edit: Fixed] Your subway is not synchronized with the doors (another pic):
(http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/3110/shot0256fv5.th.jpg) (http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot0256fv5.jpg)

What to do if I fall into the train tunnel? That is why I told it is unplayable. It is a long way to get to the first door, and the train will try to push you back:
(http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4004/shot0257bn0.th.jpg) (http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot0257bn0.jpg)

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: kaziorvb on February 24, 2007, 10:43:51 pm

Quote

Need NoDraw:

i agree - will fix thah

Quote

Ugly tubes:

i agree too - forgot to add thickness, and fix the textures at all

Quote

The worse texture overlap I've ever seen:

yeah - that  is  crap -> fix

Quote

Why do we need that semi-transparent yellow brush in the ceiling?

umm.. now not... it has some purposes in the past, but now... -> fix

Quote

I think you could put some NoDraw there (not sure if you want to do it):

dont wanted to, but if its needed

Quote

Broken buttons (all buttons from those small tanks seems to be broken):

you need to SHOOT at those button to trigger them - they are used to open the doors

Quote

Broken buttons again:

those buttons work, need to be shot, and theyre used to dry the tanks in the labs (you call them - small tanks) - take out the water

Quote

That room has some texture problems specially if looking from this angle (it doesn't appear in the picture however):

damn i tried to fix it, but i couldnt - i think its because that water is a func_door at once (to make it moveable) - it causes a bug

Quote

What to do if I fall into the train tunnel? That is why I told it is unplayable. It is a long way to get to the first door, and the train will try to push you back:

its why you should keep out of there ;p, like you should keep out of lava and pits

and

Quote

Small texture overlap:

i think doesnt make so big problem but i can fix it by the way


kaziorvb

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: Warrior on February 25, 2007, 06:16:03 pm

Dretches can't activate the buttons...
Some more pictures for you:

Texture flashing:
(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9549/shot0251yv7.th.jpg) (http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot0251yv7.jpg)

Texture flashing (again):
(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3386/shot0249bg2.th.jpg) (http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot0249bg2.jpg)

Leak in a normally non-accessible area:
(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6020/shot0252hs9.th.jpg) (http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot0252hs9.jpg)

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: kaziorvb on February 25, 2007, 06:49:57 pm

Quote

Dretches can't activate the buttons...

bullcrap - they can, every class can - checked a while ago

Quote

Texture flashing:

i said - dunno how to fix it atm

Quote

Texture flashing (again):

yeah - that   is   crap -> fix

Quote

Leak in a normally non-accessible area:

whoops - u r rite -.-

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: n00b pl0x on February 25, 2007, 08:50:41 pm

Have i told you that this map is very boxy? the 3 screens you have in ur first post are all big rectangles.

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: E-Mxp on February 25, 2007, 08:57:16 pm

Quote from: "Warrior"

Your subway is not synchronized with the doors:
(http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/6837/shot0254gc9.th.jpg) (http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot0254gc9.jpg)
Your subway is not synchronized with the doors (another pic):
(http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/3110/shot0256fv5.th.jpg) (http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot0256fv5.jpg)

Also the red light is floating in the sky and isn't against the wall.
I lol-ed when I saw the frozen tyrant :D.

P.S. Can you make me a map of watah. I got lost. :oops:

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: soultcer on September 08, 2007, 12:59:21 am

--

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: tehOen on September 08, 2007, 01:53:16 am

it is freaking huge map I always fins somewhere new

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: Fukacz on September 08, 2007, 11:27:46 am

Quote from: "soultcer"

Do you plan to release b6 in the near future?

As far as I know kazior's attitude to this map, he won't even look @ this map... so forget about it.

Title: Watah - new map
Post by: kaziorvb on September 08, 2007, 02:03:36 pm

only if i'd be complete restructurization, rearrangement, but it'd be death to the main idea of this map

i think i leave it discontinued