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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Drewu on December 04, 2006, 01:09:04 pm
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I have been playing for about two months and have noticed a rather large distain for players who tote flame throwers. I just think that if the alien team is made up of mostly dretches and mabe one goon, a flamer can't be beat. I also figure that if you can pwn with just a shot gun and some light armor, that you deserve to not be called a flaming noob once you switch weapons. Any thoughts?
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Flamer is mostly useless. If you are basi or dretch, simply don't attack a guy with a flamer and take another way. If you are a good player, you may attack him as marauder, else as goon.
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Flamer is just a dretch killer or supression weapon. I hate when people camp with a flamer because they kill friend and foe with it. Otherwise, a flamer is good for cracking bases at s2.
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Otherwise, a flamer and luci togther is the best for cracking bases at s2.
u can get luci at s2??? what server is this?? :eek:
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Unknown"]Otherwise, a flamer and luci togther is the best for cracking bases at s2.
u can get luci at s2??? what server is this?? :eek:
My bad. Flamer is good for the alien base at s2 if the base isn't too tall.
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Flamer is a weird weapon. It is the last human weapon I'm training to use ( blaster came before that one too ;) ) and frankly, that weapon is weak. Sure it is a great dretch killer, but the effects are so random that you are as scared as the aliens when you use it. There's no way to tell when that dretch will pass through your firewall as if it wasn't here and kill you :)
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i tend to stay a good distance away from people with flamers. i usually end up being bitten by some silly dretch because the noob in front that likes pretty colors took 90% of my hp ><
is there really any point to that weapon?
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Its more for hosing structures than being an effective weapon. It kills fasters quick ish and deals with any dretches that pop out.
People who try use it as a real offensive weapon against any alien that can move around is just being silly.
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Flamer is a "get s3 quick" weapon, there are ALWAYS lamers in alien team willing to dretch the flamer guy, just ask Pong :/
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flamers are great. you kill goons and tyrants much easier than with luci.
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Flamers are great near slow opening doors with escaping aliens, just walk up and flame away.
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They are great for trapping aliens in rooms... especially when you've thrown a nade in the room. If you fill the door up with flames.. most of the time they will try to brave the nade and get exploded.
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Very few players can use the flamer safely. Most are as damaging to their own team as they are to the alien team, and most never know it as was previously mentioned. A flamer can drain 90% of the health away from a teamate and you will never know it and he will rarely say something because there was no TK.
I have disdain for most flamers and if they go left, I will go right and stay as far away as possible. But, as PIE said, there are uses for the flamer but it takes the right player to find them safely.
Diggs
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Oh, I guess you guys are talking about that gun that always makes me kill myself. Pretty annoying for small Aliens, yes. Good gun, makes Aliens die fast.
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I mainly use it against incoming goons and dretches, because the goons get blocked by the dretches, making it an easy two in one kill, plus it lowers the opposing teams moral (STOP BLOCKING ME YOU @!#$@#$). I just don't like it when they hurl insults at ME because they died.
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Flame is a good weapon to level up your character with, as long as your only going for dretch's and basi's.
IMO the weapon deals far to much damage to human structures and other humans to be used for more than just dretch sweeping.
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Flame is a good weapon to level up your character with, as long as your only going for dretch's and basi's.
IMO the weapon deals far to much damage to human structures and other humans to be used for more than just dretch sweeping.
Hint: Stop camping.
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I mainly use it against incoming goons and dretches,
So you do use it in the Hummie base area to block incoming. I can see where the disdain comes from then. You are probably damaging allot of teamates and human structures without even knowing it. I would suggest you take your flamer to their (alien) base and use it there when your teamates are not around.
But, that is just my opinion and opinions are like....
Diggs
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Flame is a good weapon to level up your character with, as long as your only going for dretch's and basi's.
IMO the weapon deals far to much damage to human structures and other humans to be used for more than just dretch sweeping.
Hint: Stop camping.
:roll:
Aliens attack the human base, humans come back to defend it, flamer destroys turrets/ reactor/ armory/ medi while trying to stop the mara. That is not "camping", that is a useless base defense weapon.
On the subject of camping; nothing wrong with staying in base and killing the occasional alien while building credets for armor, etc., than rushing out over and over into the jaws of "camping" tyrants and goons.
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I just wanted to say moo
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I just wanted to say moo
You can use the flamer on cows to make them tastey.
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I just wanted to say moo
You can use the flamer on cows to make them tastey.
Don't forget to rotate them slowly and baste often.
Diggs
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Flame is a good weapon to level up your character with, as long as your only going for dretch's and basi's.
IMO the weapon deals far to much damage to human structures and other humans to be used for more than just dretch sweeping.
Hint: Stop camping.
:roll:
Aliens attack the human base, humans come back to defend it, flamer destroys turrets/ reactor/ armory/ medi while trying to stop the mara. That is not "camping", that is a useless base defense weapon.
On the subject of camping; nothing wrong with staying in base and killing the occasional alien while building credets for armor, etc., than rushing out over and over into the jaws of "camping" tyrants and goons.
Any half ass wouldn't fire a flamer in their base when building friendly fire is on, you buy another weapon for that, if you can't you misjudged and are better of letting other teammates take care of it.
So if you're hitting your own buildings a lot you must be camping with it.
I personally have nothing against camping. I have something against camping stupidly.
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I just wanted to say moo
You can use the flamer on cows to make them tastey.
Don't forget to rotate them slowly and baste often.
Diggs
Never leave base without A1-Sauce .)
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Flame is a good weapon to level up your character with, as long as your only going for dretch's and basi's.
IMO the weapon deals far to much damage to human structures and other humans to be used for more than just dretch sweeping.
Hint: Stop camping.
:roll:
Aliens attack the human base, humans come back to defend it, flamer destroys turrets/ reactor/ armory/ medi while trying to stop the mara. That is not "camping", that is a useless base defense weapon.
On the subject of camping; nothing wrong with staying in base and killing the occasional alien while building credets for armor, etc., than rushing out over and over into the jaws of "camping" tyrants and goons.
Any half ass wouldn't fire a flamer in their base when building friendly fire is on, you buy another weapon for that, if you can't you misjudged and are better of letting other teammates take care of it.
So if you're hitting your own buildings a lot you must be camping with it.
I personally have nothing against camping. I have something against camping stupidly.
You miss the point completely in your haste to call someone a camper. Learn to read what I wrote, rather than what you appear to want to see.
The fact is the flamer does deal out an impressive amount of damage to human defenses, and for that reason I only use it for the occasional dretch sweep as its use as a defensive weapon is nil.
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If I'm a mara and I see a flame-thrower in a group, I'll attack his friends first. They make easy kills with his help, and then I go for him.
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i'm just absolutely horrific at the flamer. the only times i attempt using it is on servers with FF off. although i am getting better at the MD, and i used to suck with that too, so maybe i can get better at the flamer as well.
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Flame is a good weapon to level up your character with, as long as your only going for dretch's and basi's.
IMO the weapon deals far to much damage to human structures and other humans to be used for more than just dretch sweeping.
Hint: Stop camping.
:roll:
Aliens attack the human base, humans come back to defend it, flamer destroys turrets/ reactor/ armory/ medi while trying to stop the mara. That is not "camping", that is a useless base defense weapon.
On the subject of camping; nothing wrong with staying in base and killing the occasional alien while building credets for armor, etc., than rushing out over and over into the jaws of "camping" tyrants and goons.
Any half ass wouldn't fire a flamer in their base when building friendly fire is on, you buy another weapon for that, if you can't you misjudged and are better of letting other teammates take care of it.
So if you're hitting your own buildings a lot you must be camping with it.
I personally have nothing against camping. I have something against camping stupidly.
You miss the point completely in your haste to call someone a camper. Learn to read what I wrote, rather than what you appear to want to see.
The fact is the flamer does deal out an impressive amount of damage to human defenses, and for that reason I only use it for the occasional dretch sweep as its use as a defensive weapon is nil.
Do you understand the point im making as well that the flamer isn't a defensive weapon? It's good for hunting the odd goon who pounces into doors while fleeing. Same goes to you with reading.
To make it clear. The flamer is a weapon for far away from your base.
Can't make it clearer then that.
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The flame has its uses sometimes, such as stupid-ass dretch killing, but for the money i would much rather have a mass driver (or almost anything else that costs less).
By the way, when mding dretches do u lead or aim at the alien? Im so damn confused, half the time i only kill one if its inches from my face.
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flame + bs = killing spree
whenever I get annoyed of adv goons, sniping, I get my flamer with bs and run straight at them with flame thrower scaring them away
XD
it works... mostly... sometimes I die...
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flamer suits are almost as funny as newbsaws
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flame + bs = killing spree
whenever I get annoyed of adv goons, sniping, I get my flamer with bs and run straight at them with flame thrower scaring them away
XD
it works... mostly... sometimes I die...
You know, for 50 less credits, you can do the same but much better with a chaingun instead of the flamer. And not only do you scare the goons faster that way, but you also often kill them before they get away!
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I've gotten pretty good with the flamethrower, I think. It's equally effective at taking down goons as a prifle (unless they run away in an area that they can actually get away... plenty of those areas are around, of course) but has the added advantage of frying dretches that come into the fight as well, without too much difficulty. It doesn't work well against good maras or tyrants though (the former often makes you do more damage to yourself, the latter can just absorb the flame while killing you).
In terms of tk's, just play smarter. Yes, noobs will be noobs and fry their teammates/buildings but it's not just because they're holding a flamer (all that does is make them more efficient). It's similar to using a luci in a group, it just takes practice to learn when and where to shoot.
Finally, even though most people know this, you have to move toward your intended victim for it to work -- not away from them. Also, don't use it if you're aiming at a close obstruction such as a wall, door, etc.
Don't forget to dance!
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By the way, when mding dretches do u lead or aim at the alien? Im so damn confused, half the time i only kill one if its inches from my face.
at distances, i usually lead a bit. close range, just aim at it.
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Gracias senor, thats kinda what i thought but i wasn't sure.
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Flamer is handy because:
* IT blinds attacking units if used right which means they have to guess where they're attacking.
*It deals 20hp per projectile, which it is continuously throwing. Only 1 weapon, the painsaw, is more effective. BTW, the projectile is a flat square whereas the flame itself isn't so it takes some use getting used to the projectile hitbox to use the weapon effectivly.
*Ammo wise it can deal out 3000HP before you're out. The only other weapons which put out nearly as much are the chaingun (2700) and pulse rifle with battery pack (3375).
*Against anything but a tyrant, you will win 1-on-1 in a melee situation if properly equipped.
*Kills dretches and basi's and is very handy for farming.
*Projectile lasts in an area for awhile, which means you can anticipate where they're going to move and nail them before they move there.
*Fantastic against buildings and allows you to damage them from a distance.
The downsides are:
*Can't chase with it.
*Strafing in circles will damage you.
*Easy to TK allies.
*You're screwed if you get tagged by a hive or grabber that's out of range.
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flamer suits are almost as funny as newbsaws
Newbsaws are great for quick OM kills.
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* IT blinds attacking units if used right which means they have to guess where they're attacking.
The flames can be disabled by changing a cvar or a dozen. Don't ask me how to disable it, I'm still trying to figure out how to turn them back on.
Newbsaws are great for quick OM kills.
Presumably if you are going after the overmind, you have some idea how to use a painsaw. If you do, it's not a newbsaw.
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* IT blinds attacking units if used right which means they have to guess where they're attacking.
The flames can be disabled by changing a cvar or a dozen. Don't ask me how to disable it, I'm still trying to figure out how to turn them back on.
birdie in the options named show weapons, it breaks BASI gas tho on some servers :/
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When I say incoming, I don't mean by the base. I usualy play on servers with ff on buildings only, otherwise I don't use the flame thrower. But yea, never use for defence, offence only (best kinda fence in my opinion. :D .). I normaly don't get any comments from my team at all about using the flamer, just the alien team (after they are nicely browned).
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I use the flame-thrower for 2 things:
1. Frag farming, racking up either credits or kills towards stage 3
2. As cover fire (pun intended), keeping the smaller aliens away from my teammates. Intelligently used, this saves my teammates both health and ammo.
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Buy a flamer then activate it and switch to blaster while still activated=UBER H@X!!!
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birdie in the options named show weapons, it breaks BASI gas tho on some servers :/
Ah, maybe that's why I couldn't figure out what it was. I wouldn't think of reenabling that.
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Buy a flamer then activate it and switch to blaster while still activated=UBER H@X!!!
...that works? should try that
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Flamer is a "get s3 quick" weapon, there are ALWAYS lamers in alien team willing to dretch the flamer guy, just ask Pong :/
:D rofl
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I agree. I'm not a terribly good player. But I've found the flamer a pretty useful weapon against anything below a goon. Against a goon which attacks, I found that I could win if I use the medi early on. (disclaimer: I'd like to think I don't flame my teammates as well)...
Flamer is a "get s3 quick" weapon, there are ALWAYS lamers in alien team willing to dretch the flamer guy, just ask Pong :/
:D rofl
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I rarely use a flamer, and only on FF off servers. It's a pretty pointless weapon for alot of the game, but it's pure awesomeness in niveus for killfarming. Go in the open area, down the hall, and you can reach really high kill counts, really fast 8)
<<lasgun fan
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Flamer does decent in small hallways, like the one to the right of Human start on Nexus. Unless you're up against a goon or tyrant, in which case you're basically screwed.
I've also been able to use flamer + jetpack effectively against Tyrants, although it's hard to pull off 100% of the time. The key is for you to kill him before he notices he's being flamed, which is difficult unless you've got a good sized team chaingunning and pulsing him.