Tremulous Forum
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lava Croft on December 22, 2006, 01:07:06 pm
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Because we did not really like the wiki over at TremWiki (http://www.tremwiki.com), we started another wiki over here (http://trem.maci.ws/pmwiki/pmwiki.php).
We could like to invite everybody to come bring some content to the the wiki, since we just started, it's still pretty empty.
I would also like to clarify that I have had contact with the host of TremWiki, and we came to the conclusion that there is more than enough room for both wikis, mostly since they will differ in content.
I can only say, edit both wikis as much as you possibly can, it will hopefully reduce the amount of annoyance people currently have with Tremulous. I can only imagine how hard it must be for Norfenstein to make a balance between the amount of information contained in the Tremulous manual and the readibility of it...
<3 Lava
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I would also like to clarify that I have had contact with the host of TremWiki, and we came to the conclusion that there is more than enough room for both wikis, mostly since they will differ in content.
Because the TremWiki, is mostly for mapping/modding stuff. yours will be about general Trem things, right?
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I think he's referring not to tremmapping wiki but to that other weird wiki.
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I think he's referring not to tremmapping wiki but to that other weird wiki.
Correct.
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Fragmenting the Wikis is not a good thing and I am not sure why you would call the original Wiki weird? Look at the addresses of the two and it doesn't take long to decide which is the weird Wiki.
I think more effort should have been made to get all the information into one. Things are confusing enough for a beginner, but to work with a confusing manual and multiple Wikis does not help.
(IMHO)
Diggs
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We're trying to teach people flexibility and thinking for themselves instead of giving them the answer. Once the manual has been made start user friendly i'm more for still letting them be taught by experienced player then some wiki.
The only wiki that is worthwhile atm is the mapping wiki since it truly deals with the solid unchanging theoretical part instead of the practical part. Also there is such a plethora of possibilities inherent to trem that trying to list them in a wiki is doing the game short.
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I agree with you completely but-
That doesn't address the issue of fragmenting the Wikis and-
The Wiki should be a collaborative (and mutually agreed) effort of experienced players for all players.
Please be aware that THE Wikipedia.com points to www.tremwiki.com as the Wiki for Tremuluos.
Diggs
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Look at the addresses of the two and it doesn't take long to decide which is the weird
Wiki.
Of course, you can perfectly gauge the contents of a page by looking at it's url...
Instead of moaning about there being two wiki's, why not bring as much content as you can to both. Not as much for your own, obviously fantastic personality, but for people who might be new to Tremulous, who want a few places to read up on some in-depth information, since in-game they are usually met with ridicule. Again, both wiki's can coexist just fine, lpd doesn't really see a problem, nor do we. Of course real harmony is better, but real harmony is something from Utopia, so live with it.
Please be aware that THE Wikipedia.com points to www.tremwiki.com as the Wiki for Tremuluos.
Lies!
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Position yourself just outside of the Reactor's zap range, but just inside the
range of your attack. This will make even the Basilisk a fierce Reactor-killer!
:D
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Not as much for your own, obviously fantastic personality, but for people who might be new to Tremulous, who want a few places to read up on some in-depth information, since in-game they are usually met with ridicule.
They are usually met with ridicule in game because they didn't bother to read the manual or anything else about the game before trying it out. Sometimes, they ask questions in such a way that makes everyone hate them instantly (or even worse, they don't ask questions and assume they know everything there is to know about Tremulous).
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I agree with you completely but-
That doesn't address the issue of fragmenting the Wikis and-
The Wiki should be a collaborative (and mutually agreed) effort of experienced players for all players.
Please be aware that THE Wikipedia.com points to www.tremwiki.com as the Wiki for Tremuluos.
Diggs
And personally I find MediaWiki far easier to use than the DokuWiki software. DokuWiki looks strange to me. So I'm very unlikely to edit the 'official' TremWiki, but SatGNU's wiki? MediaWiki, same as WikiPedia where I'm a frequent editor. Good to go, lock and load.
Never have understood why TremWiki didn't go with MediaWiki software in the first place, either.
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Never have understood why TremWiki didn't go with MediaWiki software in the first place, either.
It's not MediaWiki, but PmWiki (http://www.pmwiki.org/) with a MediaWiki 'skin'. It behaves mostly the same as MediaWiki, only with less bloat.
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Never have understood why TremWiki didn't go with MediaWiki software in the first place, either.
It's not MediaWiki, but PmWiki (http://www.pmwiki.org/) with a MediaWiki 'skin'. It behaves mostly the same as MediaWiki, only with less bloat.
Close enough to fool a long-time MediaWiki user, and I've actually set up the same for another Wiki before using PmWiki, should have done more than a 'glance, click a couple times, comment' check before assuming it was MediaWiki though, you're right.
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Look at the addresses of the two and it doesn't take long to decide which is the weird
Wiki.
Of course, you can perfectly gauge the contents of a page by looking at it's url...
Instead of moaning about there being two wiki's, why not bring as much content as you can to both. Not as much for your own, obviously fantastic personality,
Please be aware that THE Wikipedia.com points to www.tremwiki.com as the Wiki for Tremuluos.
Lies!
Lava - Are you naturally such a jerk or do you have to work at it? Grow up a little. (Or was it because they cancelled your anger management sessions for Christmas.)
What does my personality have anything to do with this discussion or what I have said?
So you removed the reference to the Trem Wikis in Wikipedia. Why would you do that? (I see you added yours for a bit then removed them both.)
(Shaking head sadly.)
Diggs
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So you removed the reference to the Trem Wikis in Wikipedia. Why would you do that?
Transforming assumption into fact is a power granted to few, but practiced by many.
Close enough to fool a long-time MediaWiki user
I hope this will not hold you back in your attempts to bring us proper content.
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So you removed the reference to the Trem Wikis in Wikipedia. Why would you do that?
Transforming assumption into fact is a power granted to few, but practiced by many.
I apologize for that assumption. The Wikipedia changes were made from the Netherlands (Nederlands). Knowing you were from the Netherlands I made an assumption. I'm sorry if I was wrong. I didn't know Trem had that many active players working on Wiki entries from your part of the world.
Diggs
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Damn Dutchees, they should never have been allowed on the internet.
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December 24, 2006, at 07:09 PM by Lava Croft -
Changed lines 9-10 from:
Be aware that as the center of the map has lots of free space, Jetpacks can be used to prevent Aliens from establishing a base on top of the bunker.
to:
Be aware that as the center of the map has lots of free space, Jetpacks can be used to prevent Aliens from establishing a base on top of the bunker.
Changed lines 15-16 from:
It is advisable when playing on the Human team to build some Tesla Generators around the Reactor that will keep Marauders from sneaking into your base and destroying it.
to:
It is advisable when playing on the Human team to build some Tesla Generators around the Reactor that will keep Marauders from sneaking into your base and destroying it.
I don't understand this edit. Isn't it basically the same thing?
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lol, those were some changes to the markup, I failed at it, and reverted them, heh.
On another note, it seems the first people from outside #SatGNU have touched the wiki, hooray!
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So... what exactly are the differences in content you mean? Do you mean the "some players edit Wiki1 and some edit Wiki2 and both wikis are in constant struggle to get more content" differences? Or do you actually have different target audiences? Currently I don't see anything about the latter...
Until now, I have added several pages to tremwiki with pretty detailed descriptions and hints, in an effort to get the more reading-inclined new players up to speed (it's a constant source of frustration if I see a newbie team making the same newbie mistakes that one billion newbie teams have made before). I think all such information (team descriptions, base descriptions, base hints, strategic hints) should be collected in one place rather than two - bad enough that so much basic information is already hidden in the many threads of this forum.
So, is it really necessary to split the powers? Couldn't you just merge the advantages of both wikis into one site? After all, this second wiki is just the signal for another group to come up with the third wiki (well why not?) and so now you could make clear that Trem people are not of the unorganized kind that can be found at so many other free software. The Manual has already done a great deal for this (at least I can't remember another free game with such a good manual), so I think it would be good keep further documentation in a newbie-friendly way as well.
Thanks,
Oliver