Tremulous Forum
Community => Servers => Topic started by: Lava Croft on January 08, 2007, 02:00:56 pm
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Hi everybody,
Today, maci banned Poland from our Tremulous server. This is not a racist action, nor an action against Poland, but an action against the multitude of Polish players who think that any server they join is Polish territory, and behave accordingly. This is annoying a lot of people, who are fed up with the constant Polish talking, asking if they want to switch to English speak usually has no result.
Now, we know that of course not everybody from Poland is lacking in social skills, and we have a few people from Poland who play on SatGNU like any other person, speaking English and behaving properly. Since we do not want to lose people like you, and certainly not let you pay for the behaviour of your miscreant neighbours, hop over to #satgnu on irc.quakenet.org and we can work something out.
We hope the cool Polish players do not feel attacked, since that is not our intention.
<3 maci, jhaa & Lava
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This action is MIETZ approved!
I'm polish and dont feel offended.
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poor rose :(
anyway, gg. i think it's a good move (drastic and flamable, but good)
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Might want to add that they can allow the good ones in.
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Yes. I can add exception rules for cool players like Kazivorb etc.
Just need to know their IP or dyndns.
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DynDNS is the way to go :)
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Another famous leader started with attacking poland.
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you Nazi bastards!!!
Noone likes PL people:(
*goes Emo and slits his wrists*
to be serious, hahahahahaha good job guys, though I haven't played much on SatGNU (get enormously high lag there for no reason) teh PL nubs were sometimes very annoying.
@Lava "This is not a racist action, nor an action against Poland" rofl, I remember all the shit you said about PL nation, man, that sounds pretty awkward in a post made by you.
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It's not racist because the poles aren't a race.
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@Lava "This is not a racist action, nor an action against Poland" rofl, I remember all the shit you said about PL nation, man, that sounds pretty awkward in a post made by you.
When I say Poland sucks, I say that because I have been there, and I have no love for 3rd-world countries. That has absolutely nothing to do with the banning of Poland from SatGNU, since my personal opinion about Poland is not important, the behaviour they show on our server is. That is what we go by.
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Good work Lava. Even if I haven't that problem on my server, there were lot's of votekickers who wanted the teams for them alone. So I simply deactivated voting :)
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great, cool, i'll keep this in mind chosing a server
that at least SATGNU is save of PL noobs and/or annoying PL players
am not a racist or sumtin, i just been in so many games where PL/CZ/BR ppl just totally ruined the game
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Im not getting enough <3 here.
Since when is Poland a 3rd world country ?!
Last time I checked, Poland was a First World country.
We also have a...er...'colourful' language.
I just dont see why so many people have it in for us Poles though-
what did we do to anyone ?!
But yeah,
I can see why you did the ban.
Infact, im behind it.
Too many Polish noobs (Im Polish, but I rarely speak Polish on Trem) who dont know a word of Polish and make the game a bit chaotic.
(My Polish is pretty weak actually :booster: Should really brush up again)
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<killed>
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Another famous leader started with attacking poland.
You can't compare this :)
This time it's not to get into Poland, rather to keep the ignorants out.
And for the rest of the whiners... you are either the reason this happened or you failed to talk to the Admins.
Either way, shut your pie holes.
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As i told you before. I can add exception rules.
So get into #satgnu on irc.quakenet.org and contact me.
This does work for either IPs or dyndns . if you have a dyndns you have to wait max. 5 minutes for the server to get your new ip and update the firewall rules.
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I fully agree with you Lava, because some of those Polish players are too strict and in MG Server, a lot of people were banned right away when Polish players took control of it... it's very annoying so they should stop it.
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its obviously the Poland Complex, a condition suffered by many Poles where they fail to control a subconcious urge to take control of things. Many blame this condition from the state of Poland over the past two centuries, and scholars attribute this effect from Poland's recent history of being dominated by nearly EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY AROUND IT.
In all seriousness, its hilarious that an entire country has been banend from a server.
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Sad. Ban more pro pls.
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scholars attribute this effect from Poland's recent history of being dominated by nearly EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY AROUND IT.
never by a SINGLE country, by 3 (Prussia, Austro-Hungaria, Russia) or 2 (Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia), but, that is the problem with empires, Poland in earlier centuries dominated Russia, Teutons, Czechia, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Romania,Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia etc. that's how empires work, if they don't get more territories, they fall
please, if you want to use a historical excuse for some people being dumbasses, then at least stick to the truth
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kurwa
edit: erm it means I love you in polish right?
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Sad. Ban more pro pls.
I could ask maci to add Hungary to the list.
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scholars attribute this effect from Poland's recent history of being dominated by nearly EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY AROUND IT.
never by a SINGLE country, by 3 (Prussia, Austro-Hungaria, Russia) or 2 (Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia), but, that is the problem with empires, Poland in earlier centuries dominated Russia, Teutons, Czechia, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Romania,Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia etc. that's how empires work, if they don't get more territories, they fall
please, if you want to use a historical excuse for some people being dumbasses, then at least stick to the truth
Rofl, take a joke, seriously. No wonder the ban was installed if people are so overly-sensitive about themselves like this, let alone other circumstances.
Anyways, look at it this way: In today's world, when you reference Poland, are you looking at the " Golden Age of Poland LOL, " or are you looking at their recent, not-so-hot-in-fact-its-very-disappointing-hahaha- type of history?
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I'm over-sensitive about history and truth, that's cuz I'm studying Law and History at Uni. Believe me, when I read what both political-correct and incorrect ignorants write in their articles, blogs, forums etc. I have a feeling of buying AK-47 and shooting blindly at any internet user in my eye-sight, randomly I'll probably shoot the right one
as I said before, there is no excuse for people being lame, no matter what's their ethnic background/race/eye color blah blah
@Stasis please don't edit your post every 5 minutes, it doesn't make much sense according to the topic anyway
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I suppose its needles to say what i think about this.
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1) Time is abundant. I'll hover about this thread how I see fit.
2) i enjoy editing my posts
3) i didnt edit any of my posts this time (LOL)
4) as far as being politically and historically incorrect and inaccurate, yes it was. Its called a JOKE, and some derive this thing called HUMOR from them.
Anyways go server for banning Poland. Chalk one up for the admins
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returning from the grave to announce that pankot is a polish douche faggot
later
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returning from the grave to announce that pankot is a polish douche faggot
later
Seconded.
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i think ur goin quite too far...
OK, i understand and think so too, that there are just overloads of polish newbz... (especially with 'PL' in nick..), but arent u takin it too hard talkin about domination, problems in Poland etc? the problem was that they are finding servers their territory (talkin in polish, whinin in polish, takin no care for the "stick to english here" warnings, noobility, dumbassility [lol ;p] etc etc etc).
imo it is goin too far, but i agree witha ban
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SatGNU !bans Poland
This is not a racist action, nor an action against Poland
For sure! :roll:
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the problem was that they are finding servers their territory (talkin in polish, whinin in polish, takin no care for the "stick to english here" warnings, noobility, dumbassility
That does not give them the right to take over foreign servers, and generally behave like a bunch of assholes. And not just on SatGNU. The fact that we are the only ones banning Poland does not say we are the only server experiencing problems with it.
As you obviously know, we have spend days asking Polish players to at least speak English, so we can read the stuff they say in the global chat.
Usually, such a request is either met with an answer in Polish, usually some insult concerning the word 'kurwa', or you get flamed for being a racist and what not.
The moment we spend more time on trying to get Polish players to behave is the moment we ban Poland. If they want a server where they can behave like that, they should host one.
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(http://www.uncp.edu/home/rwb/nazi_attack_poland.jpg)
Zomg not again !
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omg nazis omg omg om gom omg om gom gom omg omg
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omg
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WTF?
3 months with no access to the net and such terrible things happen?
SatGNU was such a great server...
In my opinion banning a whole country is an IGNORANT action!
And I don't fuckin live in a fuckin 3rd world county
You don't like Poland? From what you wrote I assume you live in western Europe or in USA - if so then you should know that your country is responsible for the situation in Poland. Don't know why? Then learn some history of Europe after WW2.
I am from Poland, but all the fuckers who caused the ban: FUCK YOU!
Nie umiecie kurwa po angielsku to sie nauczcie, a jak wam sie nie chce to wypierdalać na polskie serwery
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Tip: Telling people who pay for the servers you play on to fuck off may not result in you getting unbanned?!
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Tip: Telling people who pay for the servers you play on to fuck off may not result in you getting unbanned?!
You talkin' to me?
You read what I wrote?
Then read it again! I told "fuck you" to Polish-speaking players that caused the ban
Do you understand English?
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Greudin, you probably know the pic was faked for propaganda? :)
They cut the wood almost 3/4 because they werent able to break it by pure strength :)
(http://user.uni-frankfurt.de/~adamkiew/poland%20special.jpg)
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Tip: Telling people who pay for the servers you play on to fuck off may not result in you getting unbanned?!
You talkin' to me?
You read what I wrote?
Then read it again! I told "fuck you" to Polish-speaking players that caused the ban
Do you understand English?
Sorry I didn't actually read your post, was just trying to get my sig to work lol :-)
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Do you understand English?
I hope you do, and I hope you can read too, because if you have, you can see there is no reason for you to not play on SatGNU. Just hop by IRC and maci will fix you access. Just stay cool.
Oh by the way, keep your World War 2 minority complex for yourself. You are responsible for your own fate. Nobody is to blame for Poland's 'situation' than Poland itself. Stop laying the blame elsewhere, and even more so, stop using it everytime you feel your country is attacked, verbally that is. Nobody here was alive when WW2 was going on, and nobody really cares either, its been over 60 years ago. The moment you shed that skin of 'omg we are done wrong' is the moment Poland will flourish.
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You are still able to play on SatGNU
I just need your IP/DynDNS so i can add you to my list of approved players.
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Do you understand English?
I hope you do, and I hope you can read too, because if you have, you can see there is no reason for you to not play on SatGNU. Just hop by IRC and maci will fix you access. Just stay cool.
Yeah... I know, but why I have to suffer for sth. I haven't done. But If I have to, I will try this solution as soon as my internet connection gets faster (hope this will be soon - I can't wait to play trem again).
Besides - will the solution work if I have an indirect internet connection (via LAN)?
Oh by the way, keep your World War 2 minority complex for yourself. You are responsible for your own fate. Nobody is to blame for Poland's 'situation' than Poland itself. Stop laying the blame elsewhere, and even more so, stop using it everytime you feel your country is attacked, verbally that is. Nobody here was alive when WW2 was going on, and nobody really cares either, its been over 60 years ago. The moment you still shed that skin of 'omg we are done wrong' is the moment Poland will flourish.
Maby you're right, maby not (about the blame). But I have no ww2 minority complex - I don't have any reason to have any complex because of my nationality (especially when it comes to the history of Poland).
You're right about that nobody here was alive during ww2, and maby it is not a good idea to talk about it here.
Annyway, I have a question: wasn't it possible to just ban some IP's instead of the whole country? The ban should be a punishment for those responsible for the situation, not for other people.
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tomek well..
lets face the truth.
95% of polish players are sucky and/or annoying.
its easier to block them all by default and grant access to 5% than doing it the other way.
just drop me a line in #satgnu on irc.quakenet.org and i will give you access.
about the LAN thing.
yes it will work.
i need either your static ip or your dyndns
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:/ Why banning an ENTIRE country for SOME people chatting in their own language? Won't a mute solve it/force to use Whispering?
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Because AI is not evolved enough yet.
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Isn't it possible to just ban some IP's instead of the whole country?
When 50% of our banning involves the removal of anti-social players from Poland, we start to wonder.
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GG, SatGNU. I've experienced many problems with PL players on Trem, and I'm glad to see admins doing something about it. I know I'm going to lay down bansticks for any PL players that try to take over the MG server while I'm on it.
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Why not ban people with PL in there name?
Most(none?) of there aren't here, so wouldn't know, and its a bit fairer.
But when 6 people join MG and instantly start kick votes ageist us, it pisses me of major.
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had a PL takeover a while back, i hope the MG servers will follow your lead.
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as I said before, there is no excuse for people being lame, no matter what's their ethnic background/race/eye color blah blah
Agree. So all of you stop talking about history of Poland. This ban (which I fully understand) was caused by kids, who got internet connection recently and thinks that the world is their :/. I think this is action against idiots from Poland - not against all polish people so dont say shit in your posts (3rd world country? lol!). Like in every country, there diffrent kinds of peoples here so dont think all of polish peoples are like those dumbasses.
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Today, maci banned Poland from our Tremulous server. This is not a racist action, nor an action against Poland(...)
I know that some PL palyers are stupid kids but cant u ban single players ?? Nooo u have to ban whole country, and u say that its not racist...
About that word... why dont u ban ppl that use: fuck, wtf, omfg, stfu etc. Why?? U ban ppl that use kurwa and it exactly means fuck -.-
and about "3rd world country"
Just because ur girlfriend brok with u in Poland it dosnt mean its Polish fault...
You are still able to play on SatGNU
I dont care... didnt play there for a long time... and wont play there :evil:
One more think... Im from Poland did I ever act like to be banned??
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lets face the truth.
95% of polish players are sucky and/or annoying.
Yeah... 95% :roll: maybe 96%, 98%... why not 100% ?? Omg maci THIS IS YOUR TRUTH ?? sad...
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Yey! Nice move :applaud: (still clapping, stands up with ironic smile on his face). Ok, lets pass to the main part. Banning whole country from server I find as a ultimate solution, very controversial solution.. It only shows impotence and laziness of SatGnu low-rank admins. I have lev.4 admin rights on Pub PL (your imagination will probably set up you a vision of hell pit, where bunch of devils is singing "kurva,kurva" on the melody of "Jingle Bells" :) ) and we had similar problems. But with filling up the ban list with nicks of the biggest troublemakers the mess was cleaned up.
With this national ban you have made a dangerous precedent - now admins of other servers will be encouraged by your example to ban people by their nationality (hope this will not occur, but after reading Seffy's post I'm a bit worried about it).
Now the last thing, which should be mentioned in this topic by honorable Pole:
I 'd like to apologize SatGnu Stuff for the behaviour of my countrymans, which forced you to do this.
I feel shame and great dissapointment, that a such situation ever occured.
Why banning an ENTIRE country for SOME people chatting in their own language? Won't a mute solve it/force to use Whispering?
Sad. Ban more pro pls.
Thank you guys. You rocks :D .
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Zomg not again !
w00t? The french again?
The eternal follower, the nominal member, the ppl that win if they loose?
And posting a faked propaganda picture, just shows how much you really know/care about history...
Why is this pic faked? Because it's obvious a) the polish crest was never mounted on the roll bar b) the invasion started in the early hours and it was pitch dark c) the invasion was carried out not by the drivers-korps (as shown in this pic) d) NO Polish military assisted in the removal of the roll bars.
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Baning misbehaving players is NO solution, as you certainly know that all it takes to circumvent it is a reconnect and a name-change. Then the server is back to where it started.
And guys, face NO server is monitored 24hrs, not even AW/HW .)
Banning by IP-Range is the only way to get rid of the grievers, and it was done since the start of net-play. But no one complained... why? because Server-Admins didn't announce it :)
Now we have a server that does so, fully knowing that doing so will draw a lot of fire and nazism-comparison. (respect for that!)
What pisses me off here is that loads of people are shouting that are not even affected. And those that are affected DO have a way to get back on the server! Just talk to the admins FFS!
Oh and Bev... those lazy impotend Admins, as you like to call them, they are the ones that pay for the server, so STFU. And if you'd really knew what 's going on, you'd know that it is NOT the first server to ban by country/ip-ranges. It is just the first server to announce it.
You might want to talk to other server-owners a bit more and not stick just to your own small plate.
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sucks.
judging people from where they are born is the perfect example of a racist action.
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i wish they would ban all the PL's on GameArena.
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Today, maci banned Poland from our Tremulous server. This is not a racist action, nor an action against Poland
When I say Poland sucks, I say that because I have been there, and I have no love for 3rd-world countries.
Sad. Ban more pro pls.
I could ask maci to add Hungary to the list.
Oh by the way, keep your World War 2 minority complex for yourself. You are responsible for your own fate.
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usually some insult concerning the word 'kurwa'
(...)Just talk to the admins FFS!
Oh and Bev... those lazy impotend Admins, as you like to call them, they are the ones that pay for the server, so STFU.
So now u can ban caveman for using kurwa -.-
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lets face the truth.
95% of polish players are sucky and/or annoying.
Yes... lets face the truth: SatGNU IS RACIST SERVER ![/color]
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Yes... lets face the truth: SatGNU IS RACIST SERVER ![/color]
Your quotes were taken apart from the subject, point obviously was that the people are refusing to speak english at all.
So you really think that this cannot be caused by logical thinking that most of the polish people just aren't social enough or enough skilled in english language to play with people from other countries? I'd do the same action as maci if I knew that most of the player from country X are complete lamers - People have caused this situation themselves, and this ban surely will remove those badly behaving people.
All players who think they are good enough (in multiple meanings) to play on SatGNU, then just complain on the irc channel that has been mentioned before.
This was just my opinion about things, feel free to flame
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So you really think that this cannot be caused by logical thinking that most of the polish people just aren't social enough or enough skilled in english language to play with people from other countries? I'd do the same action as maci if I knew that most of the player from country X are complete lamers - People have caused this situation themselves, and this ban surely will remove those badly behaving people.
Wow @ your stupidity.
The majority of polish players, are normal and good members of the comunity, but as they are not talking in polish, you don't know they are polish.
This is a case of a few causing bad rep for the majority, and it would appear that there are a lot of polish players that this will penalise unfairly.
Perhaps just banning name with PL would be better?
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Welcome to drama topic.
Go satisfy your urge to roll in self pity somewhere else please. Afterall it is maci's server, and he can do what ever he wants with it.
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Apart from the few normal Polish people that came to our IRC channel, I think I can safely say that most of you ranting Polish people that post here about racism and what not, are a perfect example of why your country is banned.
'I for one would certainly not look in my own backyard, but immdediately point my finger elsewhere, because I am not to blame, they are!'
And Rose, I think you should look up the definition of the word racist, and then call us racist again. And next time think before you post.
All you other guys that are not from Poland, nor play on SatGNU, but keep on flaming us, everybody knows you are making a fool out of yourself.
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All you other guys that are not from Poland, nor play on SatGNU, but keep on flaming us, everybody knows you are making a fool out of yourself.
Naaaa, you are too kind this time.
All that don't respect the domestic authority on any server are making a fool of themselves :)
Just get it into your head: As long as you don't pay for any service rendered, you have no right to make any kind of demands. Any server may revuse to serve you, and there no F* thing you can do about it.
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lol @ this topic..
we could talk forever about it - cuz everyone has got different opinion, and feels a need to piss out his complains etc
imo - that is just admin job to keep his server pure and clean
satgnu is an international server so i think the only language used there should be english cuz its most international lang (lol i could just start another war - why not french or german :O)
i agree that ppl who talk in another languages should speak english (and if not, they should fkin stfu at least).
just some considerations
and what about the history issues? thats pointless and endless - as i said before everyone has got different opinions
at least its a good infiltration method, cuz will a noob enter mirc chat? i think he wont know how. and how would he even talk with you if he doesnt know english?
i think it wasnt racist (lol racist... this word really doesnt fit here..) action
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Yes... lets face the truth: SatGNU IS RACIST SERVER ![/color]
if i am in SATGNU and swear in dutch i get kicked/banned aswell
whats your point? that satgnu is racist to everything non english?
NO ITS A DAMN SERVER RULE WICH IS BEEING FORCED AND MAINTAINED
the admin makes the rules
if he makes a rule saying: PPL WITH BLUE EYES ARENT ALLOWED
then they are simply NOT ALLOWED, no racism or anything,
if u dont want the rules, make your own server or go to another
now stop crying and go sit in a small dark corner and be Polish
ggkthxbainub
EDIT: wrong msg quoted lol
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Yes... lets face the truth: SatGNU IS RACIST SERVER ![/color]
if i am in SATGNU and swear in dutch i get kicked/banned aswell
Haha, dat hangt er helemaal vanaf of je Engels gaat spreken nadat een admin je dat gevraagd heeft.
Haha, that depends if you are going to speak English after an admins has asked you to.
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Hahaha, haha. Haha.
Does anybody remember when I suggested to ban PL and BR? Well, what comes around comes around. You fucking own Lava Croft, you did good there.
Now, just ban french, just look at Greudin.. pffft. No but seriously, take in consideration banning BR. They are not smart enough to run tremulous yet, but it will comes.. just wait.
Once again, good job. You are not THAT gay after all.
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Yes... lets face the truth: SatGNU IS RACIST SERVER ![/color]
if i am in SATGNU and swear in dutch i get kicked/banned aswell
Haha, dat hangt er helemaal vanaf of je Engels gaat spreken nadat een admin je dat gevraagd heeft.
Haha, that depends if you are going to speak English after an admins has asked you to.
(http://user.uni-frankfurt.de/~adamkiew/mietz%20approved.jpg)
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(http://user.uni-frankfurt.de/~adamkiew/mietz%20approved.jpg)
A girl and her Granger! <3 <3 <3
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Uhm, what's wrong with banning individual people instead of smacking em all, both those who are to blame and those who are not? I mean, can there be so many more lamers from poland? And whats wrong with !mute now?
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Uhm, what's wrong with banning individual people instead of smacking em all, both those who are to blame and those who are not? I mean, can there be so many more lamers from poland? And whats wrong with !mute now?
:?
And, cave... Demands and saying what you mean without bleeping censoring yourself is 2 different things, after all, what makes any server live, is the players who populate it, which means you have to keep them happy, or they will move another place.
I do agree with you that they have no right to be angry after making failed "demands", they should rather bleep off to somewhere else..
Edit: sorry for the language, but i found it suitable for the situation.
Edit2: sorry for double post, some bug or something, it made a new post instead of editing, and I cannot delete last one :S
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Hahaha, haha. Haha.
Does anybody remember when I suggested to ban PL and BR? Well, what comes around comes around. You fucking own Lava Croft, you did good there.
Now, just ban french, just look at Greudin.. pffft. No but seriously, take in consideration banning BR. They are not smart enough to run tremulous yet, but it will comes.. just wait.
Once again, good job. You are not THAT gay after all.
I don't think the Euro servers have as much problem with BR as American servers do. And yes some of them do play like griefers and can't understand your requests to stop.
I personally prefer max ping to weed out unwanted players, but I guess a Euro server can't do that if they're trying to block other Europeans.
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We can keep on discussing this, but Poland will not be unbanned.
Basjefar, instead of asking stupid questions, try looking for the answer in the thread first.
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Basjefar, I agree with you. But if you just don't have the manpower or dont care to fend off a take-over, this is the way to go. Shooting at where the most trouble is coming from.
I also agree that there is a lot of colateral damage, but I think they weighted both and found the colateral worth it.
Mind you, I am not saying the same will happen on AW/HW. We don't believe in clan liability and take more pains to ensure that offenders that repeatedly get on our nerves stay away from us.
But that is just us.
As for keeping the player-base happy... that certainly is as double-edged theme .)
In our case we did not put the server up for the community, we placed it for our members that wanted one and we have no trouble with it, if it get's less popular. (remember, we have just 3 rules... a) English only b) no foul language / no insults c) common sense)
If enforcing these 3 rules make the server unattractive to others, we have no quarrel with those that can't / will not abide, as we have no desire to play with/against ppl that a) speak in a laguage we don't understand b) keep on swearing or c) have no common sense.
Face it, those that try to stick to our rules are the ones we like to play with (not necessarily only on our server) and we found some new friends while sticking out for what we believe to be a solid base to get a game going.
And if somebody absolutely has to curse to speak his mind freely, I will not stand by and listen to him/her. If he has not been taught to speak properly w/o offending others I can not see him/her becoming a friend or having fun with him/her playing against. And if I/we have no fun playing on our own server, there just is no use keeping the server up, is there?
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Quick statistic, just for today:
AW has now 39 perm-bans,
3 were from before today,
2 were issued after "Fuck off, I speak like I want to"
4 were deconner,
that leaves 30 others clients that were banned because they ignored 2 times "cp ^3stick to English here", ignored the following !mute.
And while I was writing this the next "kurva kurva" has been muted.
That shows that a) satgnu did work as a filter for those ignorants and b) that I now understand the pressure satgnu was under even better.
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well, i agree with satgnu, but its kinda.... i dunno.... weird :P never seen any server doing it before, but this just proves how ppl can be annoying and ignorant that satgnu admins had to deal with it in this very extreme way.....
dodo
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First poland, next the world!
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I mean GG Satgnu, wish we could do this on GA.
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First poland, next the world!
The Pinky and the Brain ...
So why don't you do it?
I am sure Australia does also have some companies that provide housing and/or root-servers...
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Server owners can do with their server what they like. They can even ban people for having the word spider in their name. Its their right, and nothing will change that.
But players do have the right to have an opinion about servers and about how they are maintained.
I like how some servers like Alien Wrath are managed, even before this topic, i was having much more fun on servers like these. The gut is always right, SatGNU and some of their admins is just not for me.
I am not a longtime player yet, and not sure if i will be. But I have seen players that are helpful, and i have seen assholes. Eeeew Spiders is only frequenting the servers where attitude wise healthy players are at, and as long as you have servers full with a whole bunch of them, who needs SatGNU.
These are by coincident also the servers with admins that do the admin job as it is supposed to be done. Is probably a gift of some server owners to pick the right admins. Thanks for that, and thanks for your great servers. Luckely we still have plenty of those, and as long as we have them, i guess Tremulous will rock.
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Oh and Bev... those lazy impotend Admins, as you like to call them, they are the ones that pay for the server, so STFU. And if you'd really knew what 's going on, you'd know that it is NOT the first server to ban by country/ip-ranges. It is just the first server to announce it.
You might want to talk to other server-owners a bit more and not stick just to your own small plate.
When I was saying about incompetent admins, I meaned those with rank 3 or 4, who comes out from regular players, not the server owners..
Yes, I've heared about banning by ip ranges but only in cases, when there were attacks launched on the server from that ip range, not just becouse of group of bad behaving players. If you know about such cases, please let me know them too.
About ban announciation: this threat not only informs fellow polish SatGnu regulars about that they have to ask in personal for permission to enter the server, but also sends to other members of community clear signal, that is something really not cool with polish players. I'm afraid that may build up stereotypes of polish players as a grievers.
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#Satgnu has recently decided not to totally <BAN> Poland, we will be just redirecting those IPs to Aliens Wrath, since it is the best server in the world and we want the ppl there have a quality time.
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sorry for swearing, its not a very regular habit of mine, but it has worsened after reading Transmetropolitian (which is an awesome comic).
Still, do you not think less players would hurt any server just a bit, even if it has a stable player base, it could lead to for example aliens wrath not being full all the time. But since you were not the ones banning poland, it is off topic. ^^
Edit: typo
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I'm afraid that may build up stereotypes of polish players as a grievers.
(http://orlyowl.com/icare.jpg)
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...anyway i play on 4-5 servers and that kind of problem dosn't exist there... why ? Maybe cos ur shity admins ?
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I'm afraid that may build up stereotypes of polish players as a grievers.
isnt that the Polish's players own fault?
ACTION -> REACTION
they ruin TONS of games -> .pl get banned
its not only in tremulous, its IN EVERY GAME I SEE THEM.. all of them.. polish are (mostly) selfish mofo's who are or noobs or use noob tactics to win
godieincarfire
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its not only in tremulous, its IN EVERY GAME I SEE THEM.. all of them.. polish are (mostly) selfish mofo's who are or noobs or use noob tactics to win
You are kidding right? all of them? I have to differ with you. It was polish players like rasz_pl that I saw giving tips in how they can improve their game to new players like me.
the admin makes the rules
if he makes a rule saying: PPL WITH BLUE EYES ARENT ALLOWED
then they are simply NOT ALLOWED, no racism or anything
You are right in that server owners can make up rules as they wish, some rules are still racist or discriminating. Banning people for having blue eyes is a discriminating/racist act. But do as you like.
I am personally just wondering why it had to be solved in the way it was done. Polish players have to ask for special permission? Sounds like a visa policy to me.
There are plenty of other options how this could have been dealt with. Each and every single one is better in all aspects.
1. You could have required registration for all players based on their client GUID. This would also solve the problem of deconners and other trolls. This system could even be extended into a karma system.
2. Have a cross server borders karma system. Every server authenticates its players against a global authentication server. This means also that someone ignoring server rules and gets banned for that, is automatically band from the other servers too. This will stop players from acting deconstructive. Now they just go to another server when they get banned from one. With global authentication, they can't.
3. have better admin coverage
These solutions require a lot more work, I agree, still i don't see why to sanction racist rules introduced by laziness of admins and server owner of SatGNU. But atleast you wouldn't need to have lava_croft send out the signal of how she thinks about poland When I say Poland sucks, I say that because I have been there, and I have no love for 3rd-world countries.
. I am not sure what is worse, grievers on a games server or players ranting on international public forums the way she does.
I really cant believe that someone doing public statements like these is beeing made admin on any server.
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its not only in tremulous, its IN EVERY GAME I SEE THEM.. all of them.. polish are (mostly) selfish mofo's who are or noobs or use noob tactics to win
You are kidding right? all of them? I have to differ with you. It was polish players like rasz_pl that I saw giving tips in how they can improve their game to new players like me.
the admin makes the rules
if he makes a rule saying: PPL WITH BLUE EYES ARENT ALLOWED
then they are simply NOT ALLOWED, no racism or anything
You are right in that server owners can make up rules as they wish, some rules are still racist or discriminating. Banning people for having blue eyes is a discriminating/racist act. But do as you like.
I am personally just wondering why it had to be solved in the way it was done. Polish players have to ask for special permission? Sounds like a visa policy to me.
There are plenty of other options how this could have been dealt with. Each and every single one is better in all aspects.
1. You could have required registration for all players based on their client GUID. This would also solve the problem of deconners and other trolls. This system could even be extended into a karma system.
2. Have a cross server borders karma system. Every server authenticates its players against a global authentication server. This means also that someone ignoring server rules and gets banned for that, is automatically band from the other servers too. This will stop players from acting deconstructive. Now they just go to another server when they get banned from one. With global authentication, they can't.
3. have better admin coverage
These solutions require a lot more work, I agree, still i don't see why to sanction racist rules introduced by laziness of admins and server owner of SatGNU. But atleast you wouldn't need to have lava_croft send out the signal of how she thinks about poland When I say Poland sucks, I say that because I have been there, and I have no love for 3rd-world countries.
. I am not sure what is worse, grievers on a games server or players ranting on international public forums the way she does.
I really cant believe that someone doing public statements like these is beeing made admin on any server.
One question: WHY would someone like an ADMIN do this WORK for ppl that annoy the server? WHY?
WHY if you can have the same effect by a simple set of ip-tables?
WHY would an admin choose a complicated and time consuming solution if he can get what he wants the other way?
Explain.
btw, lava croft is male
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Stop blaming Lava.
I am responsible for the PL ban!
Also non of the regular cool polish players has complained.
They just gave me their IP, I unlocked them and everything was fine.
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"These solutions require a lot more work" And hardware, and bandwidth, and server operators willing to relinquish control of who can connect, and developer time.
Lava Croft is one hot chick :) But I am not in disagreement with this decision. MG Central had a group from Poland every morning and I would typically play a match before work with them (months back), it was quite fun. Since that time, I have seen a great number of apparently Polish griefers. Now we have reports of people getting vote kicked at night when no admins are on. Kicked as they join, mind you, Not for griefing. I join and they start warning each other that I'm an admin and swearing at me in Polish (I worked in the restuarant industry, I can probably swear in 12 different languages though I barely speak english :p ) I hear all this and think, it is time to go!
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Rose-PL just kicked me from KocourCZ server, reason : "racism not allowed".
The picture was from wikipedia :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Poland_%281939%29
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kampania_wrze%C5%9Bniowa
No offence, posted it for *humour* purpose but not to exarcebate nationalims.
PL are welcome on bricosoft servers ;) even polish is tolereted, we dont kick for language, use your own wisely.
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Rose-PL just kicked me from KocourCZ server, reason : "racism not allowed".
but tremulous is a racist game
1) 2 races against eachother
2) you earn money as you kill other race
3) all hummies are white
Yes... lets face the truth: SatGNU IS RACIST SERVER ![/color]
Yes... lets face the truth: KURWA ![/color]
(kurwa means love. right?)
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"Rose-PL just kicked me from KocourCZ server, reason : "racism not allowed"."
If any of these morons want to know what racism actually is, take a trip to America. This whole racism series of accusations is just fscking stupid. A game server taking protective measures against a large group of known griefers who happen to originate from Poland != racism.
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Global antispam blacklists have no qualms at all to blacklisting a whole country if some big spammer uses their IP range. This is a simple tremulous server when there are a LOT of them available. It shouldn't cause that much controversy.
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One question: WHY would someone like an ADMIN do this WORK for ppl that annoy the server? WHY?
WHY if you can have the same effect by a simple set of ip-tables?
because a global karma system would get rid of many other problems too that some servers are experiencing. Once the player base will exceed a certain size, such a system will be unavoidable. But I do agree that such a system cannot be set up by a single server owner.
a requirement for local registration for all players. This is more easy to set up. This would make sure that you know every single player on your server, and helps you deal with any other kind of griever, cheater etc too, not just the grievers of one perticular country. Many advantages really, and thats the answers to the WHY.
And there are still plenty of other options....one variation of the local karma system would also be to allow all players to play, but dissalow players not locally registered to start a vote. This would also inhibit lots of the "go to next map" votes when the opposing team reaches s3.
When I say Poland sucks, I say that because I have
been there, and I have no love for 3rd-world countries.
And i don't have gotten an answer for WHY someone like that is made admin.
I am from holland myself, and i can't help to feel sick when hearing statements like these.
btw, lava croft is male
Sorry the name sounded a bit girlish to me. Confused me, sorry.
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the thread is getting funny :wink:
What can I say is that though I still think the solution is drastic, the server admins make the rules on the server so they have the full right to disallow writing in a language they don't understand. I saw several times when on some servers a bunch of PL players just fucked up whole game just for fun, so I know what they (i should say 'we' :wink: ) are capable of.
From the begining when I saw the thread I never was mad on the admins, even for a moment - I knew well what caused the ban (just to remind - my argument with Lava was about something else).
Anyway, maby someone will learn sometin' now
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#Satgnu has recently decided not to totally <BAN> Poland, we will be just redirecting those IPs to Aliens Wrath, since it is the best server in the world and we want the ppl there have a quality time.
I love you too.
@Spider
That what you are asking, has been discussed allready.
It just isn't possible as that would be the same as using NaziBuster from EvilBalance.
But that is still another topic. If you have an idea that does the same and does not depend on an authoritive master-server, we'd like to hear your idea (really) .
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" And i don't have gotten an answer for WHY someone like that is made admin. "
That is none of your business. Not your server, not your business. Get off your high horse.
No offense, but give it a rest.
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But that is still another topic. If you have an idea that does the same and does not depend on an authoritive master-server, we'd like to hear your idea (really) .
Maybe i should have read all the other threads about this first. but here goes:
The game i was playing before this one was BZFlag, which is also open source and hosted on sourceforge. Some of you that know that game will be making fun of it's simplistic graphics and control of movement. But if played on the right servers, it's great fun really. Especially it's league action.
But any free game attracts all kinds of people with different intentions, and when a game gets more popular, you will have to start to have some sort of control mechanisms. Pure anarchy can kill great servers.
Now, since I never played a commercial game, I have no idea how NaziBuster and it's alternatives works. All i know from news media, is that there was a lot of controversial about them. I may be completely wrong, but from what I understood is that the main aim of NaziBuster is to prevent illegal copying of games. I hardly believe that that is something Trem wants to prevent :D
Anyways, on BZFlag Servers there were similar problems with players, going from spamming racist and nazi messages, disrupting matches to using obvious or non-obvious cheats.
Similar to this trem forum, there is also an official BZFlag forum.
What the developers of BZFlag have implemented two years ago into the BZFlag server is a global authentication system in addition to a user group rights management. It uses the official bzflag forum database for authentication, meaning you have to use the same user-name and password for forum and game servers.
Server owners are free to use this, but are not required to use it. And when they use it, they can decide themself in what way they use it. As a consequence, different servers are running different configurations depending on their usual player base and server purpose (you have public servers and match servers).
Some example of configurations how they could work for trem servers.
1. No authorization is required
This is as it is now, players log in with any name they choose.
2. Special rights for registerd players
Anybody can play on a server. But only those that provided a valid user name and password have special rights, such as:
- the right to start a vote
- the right to talk in public chat
- non-registered players are kicked when a registerd player logs into a full server with no other open slots.
- right to build
(these are just ideas)
3. Only registerd users can play
You have to provide a valid user name and password to be able to log into a server at all.
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In a normal scenario, you would have a mixture of servers running. Having no open servers at all will make it difficult for players that have just downloaded the game and want to try it out. If they like the game and are interested, they will find this forum and a note on the first page on how to log into register-required servers. This way, more experienced players also don't have the grief of having to pwn first time newbs, but are playing on servers with other more experienced players that were interested enough to sign up.
I believe, that the forum software used for the trem forums also allows to add and remove players to certain groups. So forum admins can add and remove players to these groups. Rights on servers could also be made dependant on these groups. Example of Groups could be:
ALIENWRATH.PLAYER (default,but no public chat, only pm and team chat, and no build)
ALIENWRATH.DISSALOW (not allowed to join)
ALIENWRATH.TALK_AND_BUILD (in addition can talk and build)
ALIENWRATH.TEAMVOTE
ALIENWRATH.PUBLICVOTE
For match servers you could even set up spawn rights, so that you can make clan matches public viewable for spectators without the threat of non-clan members entering the game and messing it up.
In addition, or as an alternative, is to have the list of servers that you get in the server list dependant on your register and login status. This way you can hide the servers for certain users. You probably can still log in when you know the IP number, but that system would not be as restrictive as the above solution.
The game server itself will not be allowed to see the passwords in clear text. Abuseminded serverowners could have patched the server for it to write the usernames and passwords into a local file. Instead the password is encrypted first, or the authorization process is done directly between client and forum.
The whole forum authentication needs a dedicated forum team to keep things operational and smooth. It actually all depends on how this is maintained. Granted, it does seem to be quite a job, but trusted serverowners and admins could help in the process. Many other things may evenutally also be automated.
But, if someone gets banned from global login, it is ofcourse not very difficult to create a new login (hotmail, yahoo). But it is a much greater hassle already for evil minded server hoppers.
One solution to make it even more difficult is:
- to forbid certain email domain names like yahoo or hotmail, but still add them on special request
- track IP of registrations
- on registration the client GUID must be provided. registration could even be done from inside the client menu.
Anyway, I don't know all the details how this all is managed on the BZFlag Forums, but they do, and playing that game has been a lot more fun since they introduced it. To tell the truth, most server owners where totaly against this concept. Once it prooved how easy maintaining a server is and keeping it troublefree, and that a system like this can work in a way that the opensource community acceptes it, there are now hardly any servers left that do not use global authentication. And those that don't are not great fun to play on.
These are just ideas....i am sure that tomorrow i will think that half of the ideas are crap and won't work. But maybe they are helpful in getting a solution. And remember, its the free will of the server owner if he wants to use the authentication service or not, or for which servers to use it.
Eeeeeew
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Hahaha, haha. Haha.
Does anybody remember when I suggested to ban PL and BR? Well, what comes around comes around. You fucking own Lava Croft, you did good there.
Now, just ban french, just look at Greudin.. pffft. No but seriously, take in consideration banning BR. They are not smart enough to run tremulous yet, but it will comes.. just wait.
Once again, good job. You are not THAT gay after all.
omg omg omg I missed that before :/
The biggest Nazi shit I've ever seen says that ur right... pathatic.
Now u should change server name from:
|satGNU| Have fun
to
|satGnu| All racist Have fun
Rose-PL just kicked me from KocourCZ server, reason : "racism not allowed".
(...)
No offence, posted it for *humour* purpose but not to exarcebate nationalims.
1. Im rose, not rose-PL... so dont change my nick. I never hide that I'm form Poland.
2. U have strange sense of humor. I don't think this it's funny :/ Racism is seriously problem as u can see.
3. sorry that I kicked u... I thought ur like Belier13, Lava etc... sry :/
Welcome PanKot :) Visit us sometimes :wink:
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request added, now with "all racists have fun"
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Ahh, Germans racially discriminating polish and others... what does this remind me of rofl... i smell ww3.
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ZOMG ROLFLOLMAO
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FISH
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Interesting reactions...
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FISH
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And very mature, might i add.
Guess thats satgnu style..
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FISH
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Ahh, Germans racially discriminating polish and others... what does this remind me of rofl... i smell ww3.
Interesting reactions...
Did you expect a serious reply to such a retarded remark?
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Ahh, Germans racially discriminating polish and others... what does this remind me of rofl... i smell ww3.
Interesting reactions...
Did you expect a serious reply to such a retarded remark?
A remark doesnt require a reply, but may result in a reaction.
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FISH
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Ahh, Germans racially discriminating polish and others... what does this remind me of rofl... i smell ww3.
Interesting reactions...
Did you expect a serious reply to such a retarded remark?
A remark doesnt require a reply, but may result in a reaction.
This is a forum, you can't do anything else here but either ignore it or reply to it.
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Ahh, Germans racially discriminating polish and others... what does this remind me of rofl... i smell ww3.
Interesting reactions...
Did you expect a serious reply to such a retarded remark?
A remark doesnt require a reply, but may result in a reaction.
This is a forum, you can't do anything else here but either ignore it or reply to it.
FISH?
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FISH!
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Ahh, Germans racially discriminating polish and others... what does this remind me of rofl... i smell ww3.
Interesting reactions...
Did you expect a serious reply to such a retarded remark?
A remark doesnt require a reply, but may result in a reaction.
This is a forum, you can't do anything else here but either ignore it or reply to it.
FISH?
This is called a reply.
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Whatever, Mr IMSOGODDAMNUBERATTHISTECHNICALBS... :)
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Well Mr."I am sooo good at English", seems you don't understand your own language at all.
When are you going to take a hint?
It just makes a fool out of you if you insult the server-owners and then whine when they deny you the privilege of using theirs services for wich you did not even pay.
So get a clue and take a hike you freeloading leech.
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FISH!
WOOF IM A CLOWN!
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It's not racist because the poles aren't a race.
jhaa, sometimes you just PISS ME OFF. Please, take the FUCKING SWASTIKA OUT OF YOUR SIG and stop talking such BULLSHIT. I don't even care if it was meant a a joke, saying something like that and having a swastika sign beneath it is just NOT funny anymore.
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what swastika?
I see a coloured sig saying Satgnu.
And Poles indeed arent a race, they are a nation, so racism doesnt apply.
Racism is when i hate black ppl, or asians, or arians.
Those are races, in countries live ppl with different races, and those are called nations.
So nations are a accumulation of races under one flag, and under one government.
Hating a country, and their ppl isnt racist.
Once and for all, its not racism if you hate a nation. It maybe is called Neo liberal nationalism or sth, but not racism.
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There was a swastika in his sig, but he removed it.
And racism or not, it *is* discrimination.
Any and all discrimination is wrong, and anyone who defends or otherwise supports such discrimination, or the servers who do it, is wrong.
I myself will not be playing on Satgnu again.
If you don't like discrimination, then boycott Satgnu!
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All newbs should now indiscriminately swarm the MG-servers and complain to David if they get kicked :)
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What's the big deal of having swastika in the sig? It's very common symbol.
Mine was roundel of the Finnish Air Force. But since some people failed to think rationally and started attacking me about it, I took it off.
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WTF is going on here oO.
What discrimination ?
what swatiska?..
ah i remember .. saw it on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Air_Force
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geez people, it's people's opinion about stuff they believe... you shouldn't go hyper or yell or attack one another because of that...
so if I put a nazi symbol on my sig, you'll all go "OMG NAZI LOVER!"?
wait... that was a bad example...
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@jhaa: This is not meant to rip open the IRC discussion again, I just wanna point something out to David.
@David: All of SatGNU is _not_ a discriminating bunch of racists. You saw how I react if I smell something like this, and if I smelled more of it I would remove my admin rights, delete the stats and never play there again either, which I don't. So please don't project one or two posts of one or two persons on an entire community.
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you should just ban the entire world because noobs live everywhere and then unban all the pros ips because you still want the pros to play there
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Well Mr."I am sooo good at English", seems you don't understand your own language at all.
When are you going to take a hint?
It just makes a fool out of you if you insult the server-owners and then whine when they deny you the privilege of using theirs services for wich you did not even pay.
So get a clue and take a hike you freeloading leech.
Did i ever say i was "Sooooo good at english"? No. Get your facts right.
Did i ever whine when i was deny'd the privilege of using any server? No. Get your facts right.
This is a freeware game, a mod and an out-of-date piece of software.. why would i pay for it? It also strikes me that you think your better than others because you pay for a server.
I do understand my language, alot more than some of the people i've seen and try'd to help on here.
Caveman i have seen a picture of you, i know this isn't the time nor the place but, what the hell are you doing playing an out of date game, paying for a server and exploiting admin powers at your age? No offence intended ofcourse, just wondering.
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By the way caveman, you realy are showing maturity with the "Imature leech" crap aren't you?
You call me immature yet your the one that just posted an insult to someone that lives miles away over the forum of a freeware game... now SERIOUSLY that is what i would expect from a 10 year old, but you aren't 10 are you?
Since you like to resurrect the old Aliens wrath' banning thing (also a very immature thing to do) i think its a good time to tell you that i never planned on appologising to you or napkin or anyone, i think that when napkin kicked splitter for "Camping" (splitter was building our base) that it was wrong, abusive, immature, pathetic and lowly, and i'm as good as banned because i wouldn't dream of playing on a server with admins that think they rule the world because they pay for a server.
This is my opinion, and my opinion is something that nobody can change, not even a middle aged, immature, server paying, insultive *quote* egoistic and bat-weilding old lowlife.
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By the way caveman, you realy are showing maturity with the "Imature leech" crap aren't you?
You call me immature yet your the one that just posted an insult to someone that lives miles away over the forum of a freeware game... now SERIOUSLY that is what i would expect from a 10 year old, but you aren't 10 are you?
Since you like to resurrect the old Aliens wrath' banning thing (also a very immature thing to do) i think its a good time to tell you that i never planned on appologising to you or napkin or anyone, i think that when napkin kicked splitter for "Camping" (splitter was building our base) that it was wrong, abusive, immature, pathetic and lowly.
This is my opinion, and my opinion is something that nobody can change, not even a middle aged, immature, server paying, insultive *quote* egoistic and bat-weilding old lowlife.
aww
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Before i get any backchat about my last 2 posts i'd like to take the time out to appoligise to anyone other than caveman that has to read this, i know its slightly immature of me to act this way but someone has to teach this guy a lesson before he gets lost in the clouds of his own young at heart ways.
Edit: too late lol
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Putting the thread back on topic, banning/redirecting players because of the location they were born at is racism, whether you like it not its the truth, just thank yourself tremulous doesn't have rules of engagement that disallow this.
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FISH!
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Putting the thread back on topic, banning/redirecting players because of the location they were born at is racism, whether you like it not its the truth, just thank yourself tremulous doesn't have rules of engagement that disallow this.
Banning Poland is a move that I support, purely because of the attitude taken by 90% of the polish trem community towards servers and players in countries other than theirs. Of course, this is not a representation of every player in Poland; and maci, Lava and the rest of the Satgnu team have obviously realised this and offered for those players who aren't problems the ability to still play there.
Why you can't understand and continually try to argue a baseless point is obvious, as your once well tended post under someone elses' bridge out there is now gaining cobwebs and other detrius from neglect.
Now, shut up and game on.
Edit: And as a sidenote... FISH.
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meow
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This is a freeware game, a mod and an out-of-date piece of software..
That was the last thing you said I have listened to. Please go back to whatever retarded community you came from, and take your friends with you.
On the racism and swastika moaning, not liking Poland and Polish people is not racism and that blue swastika has nothing to do with Germany, it's an old symbol of the Finnish Air Force. The fact that rapha needs to be a old-fashionned, politically-correct German whiner about it is his problem, not ours. How can jhaa or anyone else help it some Germans still cannot face their history.
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This is a freeware game, a mod and an out-of-date piece of software..
That was the last thing you said I have listened to. Please go back to whatever retarded community you came from, and take your friends with you.
On the racism and swastika moaning, not liking Poland and Polish people is not racism and that blue swastika has nothing to do with Germany, it's an old symbol of the Finnish Air Force. The fact that rapha needs to be a old-fashionned, politically-correct German whiner about it is his problem, not ours. How can jhaa or anyone else help it some Germans still cannot face their history.
This pretty much is quoted for the truth.
Case closed D:
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A lot of it.
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Well p0m i understand it now, but if you had just said that and left out the shut up part i would have respected it.
Still banning the entire country is racist, this IS what you said you have done but i see now that you didn't mean it that way...
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FISH?
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I want ip addresses that have your "race" and bloodline in it, so we would be able to ban races from the internets!
What an excellent idea, I think I should run for a politician!
Don't you think? I need propaganda posters asap.
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Still banning the entire country is racist...
It would be if he were banning them for the sake of banning them.
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WTF is going on here oO.
What discrimination ?
what swatiska?..
ah i remember .. saw it on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Air_Force
Discrimination can be found in the dictionary.
A swastika is the sign of the nazis, some inconsiderate idiot put a swastika in there sig while talking about racism thinking it would be funny, if you dont know what a nazi is god help you.. i reolise that the swastika isn't real but it still causes offence..
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http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40732000/jpg/_40732471_swastika_203.jpg&imgrefurl=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4183467.stm&h=152&w=203&sz=10&hl=en&start=14&tbnid=nQbOxoAyjURdtM:&tbnh=79&tbnw=105&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dswastika%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG
some stuff about swastikas/nazis..
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The word is derived from the Sanskrit "svastika" and means "good to be". In Indo-European culture it was a mark made on people or objects to give them good luck.
It has been around for thousands of years, particularly as a Hindu symbol in the holy texts, to mean luck, Brahma or samsara (rebirth).
thats from your link.
And just take the FISH!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
Yeah .
A swastika is the sign of the nazis,
sure
the nazis invented it about 3000 years ago while they supressed the hindus.
FISH!
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FISH!
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@Lava: I think we've discussed this enough now, about why I get upset with
things that have a certain meaning to me (the human mind is better at
recognizing _similar_ forms than at recognizing _exact_ form matches).
Please do accept though that it is my right to have a retarded (or rather,
old-fashioned and dogmatic) view/opinion as much as it is yours or anyone
elses. The difference is that I don't use my knowledge of what might upset
others to provoke making them upset without a _darn_ good reason.
Now, even I agree with the choice of Lava and maci to ban Poland.
Statistically seen, the Polish players _are_ being arrogant assholes more often
than players from any other country. Shouldn't let them hide behind the "but
we're the victims! You're discriminating us!"-wall. Banning them because of
their attitude is hardly any discrimination.
(But drawing the discussion towards even joking about racism, 3rd reich stuff and so on might be easily interpreted as discrimination. Actually jhaa told me
he did it with full intent. That's not right; it just helps jhaa have some fun on
the cost of others. It doesn't help this discussion).
That would be all.
EDIT: If you take a look at the link Solo posted, there's also an image of a newspaper. One of the headlines reads "Does This Offend You?". That's exactly my point: it doesn't only matter where a sign originated from (what its original meaning was) but also what other meanings it was given or acquainted during history and _what feelings it invokes in people_!
FISH!!!
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WAT? Wer bist du denn?
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lol,
what the potato am I doing here, on a forum with
- people with swastika in their signature
- jokes about jews
- expressing a great dislike of a nation and banning that nation, and then acting suprised that this stires a controversy
- forum campers, that take any opportunity to start flames on posts of particular or random people
- posters that cant take a hint and don't know when a topic is exhausted
- discriminating remarks, retarded remarks, arrogance, ignorance
This isn't about playing a game anymore, right? Why don't you guys go selfendulge yourself on your own forums, your own wikis, your own servers.
I gotta sign off, i have no business here.
ciao bello, genkidene, poka, goeden dag
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lol,
what the potato am I doing here, on a forum with
- people with swastika in their signature
- jokes about jews
- expressing a great dislike of a nation and banning that nation, and then acting suprised that this stires a controversy
- forum campers, that take any opportunity to start flames on posts of particular or random people
- posters that cant take a hint and don't know when a topic is exhausted
- discriminating remarks, retarded remarks, arrogance, ignorance
This isn't about playing a game anymore, right? Why don't you guys go selfendulge yourself on your own forums, your own wikis, your own servers.
I gotta sign off, i have no business here.
ciao bello, genkidene, poka, goeden dag
omg finally!
(http://user.uni-frankfurt.de/~adamkiew/mietz%20approved.jpg)
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I want ip addresses that have your "race" and bloodline in it, so we would be able to ban races from the internets!
What an excellent idea, I think I should run for a politician!
Don't you think? I need propaganda posters asap.
If your not being surcastic, i hope you get hit by a bus.
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I want ip addresses that have your "race" and bloodline in it, so we would be able to ban races from the internets!
What an excellent idea, I think I should run for a politician!
Don't you think? I need propaganda posters asap.
If your not being surcastic, i hope you get hit by a bus.
FISH!
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@jhaa: This is not meant to rip open the IRC discussion again, I just wanna point something out to David.
@David: All of SatGNU is _not_ a discriminating bunch of racists. You saw how I react if I smell something like this, and if I smelled more of it I would remove my admin rights, delete the stats and never play there again either, which I don't. So please don't project one or two posts of one or two persons on an entire community.
Banning Poland is a move that I support, purely because of the attitude taken by 90% of the polish trem community towards servers and players in countries other than theirs. Of course, this is not a representation of every player in Poland; and maci, Lava and the rest of the Satgnu team have obviously realised this and offered for those players who aren't problems the ability to still play there.
If you look at it, Poland doesn't have many more greefers that any other country, its just that you know they are polish, and don't who else is polish.
You are punishing the majority for the actions of the few, and by playing on your server I would be supporting this action, so this is not so much about what people post, and what the server does.
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WAT? Wer bist du denn?
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I want ip addresses that have your "race" and bloodline in it, so we would be able to ban races from the internets!
What an excellent idea, I think I should run for a politician!
Don't you think? I need propaganda posters asap.
If your not being surcastic, i hope you get hit by a bus.
Nah, I don't want JHAA get hit by a bus, I just want him to run into a mirror.
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If you look at it, Poland doesn't have many more greefers that any other country, its just that you know they are polish, and don't who else is polish.
You are punishing the majority for the actions of the few, and by playing on your server I would be supporting this action, so this is not so much about what people post, and what the server does.
Well, I don't know how maci decided to ban the whole Poland, but most often such thing is done by banning a few large IP subnets which include all their ISP.
Now, the most probable reason to decide to ban a whole subnet is to look at your ban file, and notice a strange recurent pattern like that for example :
352.11.15.66
310.115.96.96
352.165.12.115
352.2.220.117
352.225.205.6
292.114.69.69
352.228.193.200
352.90.19.166
Now, once you reach 3-4 pages like that, you really feel like banning the whole 352.* subnet and then you find that you've banned a whole country :)
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David is right, and i am boycotting satgnu.
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David is right, and i am boycotting satgnu.
FISH?
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@David
I can understand your resentments, whole heartedly.
And you could be right about the percentage of grievers in Poland or other countries.
From personal experience I have to say that the biggest percentage of players that don't follow the server rules ARE polish.
That is NOT to say that all Polish are grievers. Rather that
- The servers concerned are in Europe
- The IX to other countries is worse than to Poland
- Poland gets only so many servers with a decent ping
Therefor the polish grievers are in the majority.
Also given the fact that to battle any swarming of grievers you'd need admins on the server 24/7 which is nigh impossible...
Further reason is their "colorful language" and their general unwillingness to speak any other language than their own (with noted exceptions)
What would you do David?
Would you let YOUR server be overrun?
Would you let your regulars be exposed to vote-kicks, just because they adhere to the server-rule and speak English?
I bet not.
IMHO anyone can cry "nazism" and "racism", that is really easy.
But who can come up with a viable solution?
(And puhlease, don't come with !ban, this will not really work on dynamic IPs!)
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Solo sure loves double/triple/quadriple posting, eh?
And also, you said this is an out-of-date software, and if you call it out-dated, why are you playing it?
We don't need people like your always going "I'M THE BEST! OMG NO ONE LISTENS TO ME! I LIKE TRIPLE POSTING CAUSE THAT MAKES MORE ATTENTION! I NEED OMFGING ATTENTION!"
geez... and you shouldn't really mock people who are either in:
1. older than you
2. people who have more rights than you in the thing you are arguing than you
3. people who have more experience with things you are arguing about
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Greudin, you probably know the pic was faked for propaganda? :)
They cut the wood almost 3/4 because they werent able to break it by pure strength :)
(http://user.uni-frankfurt.de/~adamkiew/poland%20special.jpg)
ban Norway next then it will look like theres a big cock n balls hanging over Germany.
they should appreciate that.
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ban Norway next then it will look like theres a big cock n balls hanging over Germany.
LMFAO
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ban Norway next then it will look like theres a big cock n balls hanging over Germany.
LMFAO
mmmh cock...
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@David
I can understand your resentments, whole heartedly.
And you could be right about the percentage of grievers in Poland or other countries.
From personal experience I have to say that the biggest percentage of players that don't follow the server rules ARE polish.
That is NOT to say that all Polish are grievers. Rather that
- The servers concerned are in Europe
- The IX to other countries is worse than to Poland
- Poland gets only so many servers with a decent ping
Therefor the polish grievers are in the majority.
Also given the fact that to battle any swarming of grievers you'd need admins on the server 24/7 which is nigh impossible...
Further reason is their "colorful language" and their general unwillingness to speak any other language than their own (with noted exceptions)
What would you do David?
Would you let YOUR server be overrun?
Would you let your regulars be exposed to vote-kicks, just because they adhere to the server-rule and speak English?
I bet not.
IMHO anyone can cry "nazism" and "racism", that is really easy.
But who can come up with a viable solution?
(And puhlease, don't come with !ban, this will not really work on dynamic IPs!)
I totally get what your are saying.
The other players on the server also have to be thought of, and if it were my server? I don't know what I would do, but this would certainly be a tempting prospect.
I guess the answer is that there is no right answer.
Satngu has taken action ageist grievers, which is more than can be said for most servers, I just think this is a bit heavy handed, and a slippery slope.
I guess it comes down to what the players on the server think.
Also, here in the UK racism includes discriminating by country. (by law)
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Also, here in the UK racism includes discriminating by country. (by law)
The same is valid for Germany :)
_BUT_ the Sanctity of the Home is valued more higher than any law that tries to enforce the equality of treatment. IMHO the same goes for the UK (my home is my castle). And that is what this here is really about.
Like I told you the other day. Even AW is discriminating by country or rather the settings are.
If your connect-ping is higher than 150 you will not be able to play, therefor countries like Peru are discriminated by default .)
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......, and i am boycotting satgnu.
nice, so i dont need to make myself all the work to ban you :)
FISH
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David is right, and i am boycotting satgnu.
OH NOES! HOW WILL WE EVER OVERCOME THIS GREAT LOSS? SOLO PLEASE DONT BOYCOT US, WE NEED RETARDS LIKE YOU TO MAKE THE NEWBS LOOK SMART.
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excuse my gamma no...grammar but i am poor polish farmer (u knew the 3rd world country) and i wanted 2 ask shitgun crew 4 help.lately i am running low on manure and it affects my potato crops (which from i extract energy to run my pc and write this post) .the favour i need to ask is - if any deaths occur in shitgun community i would like u to send me the heads of those who passed away because it is so obvious what they are full of(i would be specially thankful 4 lava's head since it so so big...and goddamn ugly).
ah btw
if the lovely sg idea will spread on to other serv tremulous may have chance to get 1 prize 4 best racist freeware game of 2007!VOTE NOW!
d e v s should react and kill it before this will eventually happen.
oh totally 4got:
address
holesvile near the nowaretown field nr 4
thx in advance
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excuse my gamma no...grammar but i am poor polish farmer (u knew the 3rd world country) and i wanted 2 ask shitgun crew 4 help.lately i am running low on manure and it affects my potato crops (which from i extract energy to run my pc and write this post) .the favour i need to ask is - if any deaths occur in shitgun community i would like u to send me the heads of those who passed away because it is so obvious what they are full of(i would be specially thankful 4 lava's head since it so so big...and goddamn ugly).
ah btw
if the lovely sg idea will spread on to other serv tremulous may have chance to get 1 prize 4 best racist freeware game of 2007!VOTE NOW!
d e v s should react and kill it before this will eventually happen.
oh totally 4got:
address
holesvile near the nowaretown field nr 4
thx in advance
Here, take some FISH!
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Someone please delete that account since it was so obviously made for this particular post. Please help prevent troll users.
I might possibly agree that this action is wrong if the members of the polish community did not have the ability, like the rest of us, to DOWNLOAD THE SOFTWARE AND MAKE YOUR OWN GODDAMN SERVER
You can then do with it as you please and quit your bitching.
Noone is preventing you from doing the same thing, Hell, make a polish server, ban all the rest of Europe, noone gives a shit.
Anyone that is not at least attempting to make a legitimate argument for/against can, quite frankly, piss off. You are not contributing to the dialog.
Calling software "racist" is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever heard, especially when the so called "victims" of the discrimination are free to use the exact same software to do the exact same thing.
they are sooo repressed /sarcasm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSJ1liGPbW0
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monty python rules
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theoretical situation
when i was young farmer i went abroad for vacations and when i was walking i saw a young boy playing in playground.it was u tuple.it is common knowledge that fucking young boys up their asses is farmers flavor so i took u by the hand and showed u true meaning of love. during this process i made some photos and...
some time passes i am making my polish trem serv and then this thoth hits me:"what if i exchange normal walls bmp on photos of that boy pleasing me?" and i do so.by coincident u entered my serv and saw the photos.everything flashed before your eyes.the long forgotten pushed to the back of your mind past.u are not happy with it and u kill yourself.
thou lots of ppl is not happy with it because they don't like child pornography and even if they are not owners of server they force me to shut it down.
conclusion;despite of what was said or yelled 1000 times - even if u own serv u can't do anything u like on it.
encouraging racist behavior is thing as bad as child pornography and as far as i knew baned by law in some countries. where is the server located?
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you seriously have sand in your vagina
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you seriously have sand in your vagina
Here, take some FISH!
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you seriously have sand in your vagina
Here, take some FISH!
Dont worry, he just has some sand in his vagina.
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you seriously have sand in your vagina
Here, take some FISH!
Dont worry, he just has some sand in his vagina.
No prob, nothing to see here, keep going, the man has just some sand in his vagina. The fish is already on its way.
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excuse my gamma no...grammar but i am poor polish farmer (u knew the 3rd world country) and i wanted 2 ask shitgun crew 4 help.lately i am running low on manure and it affects my potato crops (which from i extract energy to run my pc and write this post) .the favour i need to ask is - if any deaths occur in shitgun community i would like u to send me the heads of those who passed away because it is so obvious what they are full of(i would be specially thankful 4 lava's head since it so so big...and goddamn ugly).
ah btw
if the lovely sg idea will spread on to other serv tremulous may have chance to get 1 prize 4 best racist freeware game of 2007!VOTE NOW!
d e v s should react and kill it before this will eventually happen.
oh totally 4got:
address
holesvile near the nowaretown field nr 4
thx in advance
Here, take some FISH!
Constructive reply! Fish heads makes good manure fertilizer.
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excuse my gamma no...grammar but i am poor polish farmer (u knew the 3rd world country) and i wanted 2 ask shitgun crew 4 help.lately i am running low on manure and it affects my potato crops (which from i extract energy to run my pc and write this post) .the favour i need to ask is - if any deaths occur in shitgun community i would like u to send me the heads of those who passed away because it is so obvious what they are full of(i would be specially thankful 4 lava's head since it so so big...and goddamn ugly).
ah btw
if the lovely sg idea will spread on to other serv tremulous may have chance to get 1 prize 4 best racist freeware game of 2007!VOTE NOW!
d e v s should react and kill it before this will eventually happen.
oh totally 4got:
address
holesvile near the nowaretown field nr 4
thx in advance
Here, take some FISH!
Constructive reply! Fish heads makes good manure fertilizer.
i know, since i was raised far away from the city...
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you seriously have sand in your vagina
Here, take some FISH!
Dont worry, he just has some sand in his vagina.
i see u have splited personality
and acording to what u are writing both of you are using only half of brain.
but do they exchange halfs ech time they swich or they just using one.
that was theoretical since i recolected your drowing skill.
no more respond for u sir
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you seriously have sand in your vagina
Here, take some FISH!
Dont worry, he just has some sand in his vagina.
i see u have splited personality
and acording to what u are writing both of you are using only half of brain.
but do they exchange halfs ech time they swich or they just using one.
that was theoretical since i recolected your drowing skill.
no more respond for u sir
you have to remove that sand from your vagina, it makes your all cranky and such..
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When the unofficial spokesman for not banning Poland is Solo, that side of the argument starts at a severe disadvantage.
Also, comparing racism to child pornography made me lol.
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encouraging racist behavior...
It's not racist, like the admin said, if you want to play there just give him your ip and he can allow it. It just so happens that among the Polish people who play Tremulous on SatGNU! there are a large amount that are jerks.
In closing, it's not racist unless you consider morons a race, and if you do, then we are (almost) all racist. (not all Polish people are morons, just most of the ones who play Tremulous on SatGNU!)
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When in doubt, or when running out of constructive replies...:
ACCUSE PEOPLE OF RACISM! (is that because I'm white?)
Can you hear it...? I sure can... It's getting louder!
It is the amazing....
WHAAAAAAAAAAAA........
(http://www.threedown.com/backgrounds/ambulance.png)
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IIthaI
"When in doubt, or when running out of constructive replies...:"
no it means i am not immobile part of my pc and tracing forum replies is not the greatest aim in my life
SLAVE|Mietz
"Here, take some FISH!"
"Dont worry, he just has some sand in his vagina."
this is running out of constructive replies
and btw u haven't posted any or is there a 2nd hidden meaning behind photo?
tuple
"Someone please delete that account since it was so obviously made for this particular post. Please help prevent troll users."
i presume "IIthaI" is 2nd account of "jhaa"?
correct me if i am wrong and if i am not - tuple put some more attention to what are u writing(or practice reflex)
and now 4 more serious things
polish we use to say that "foolishness is highly infect-able"
and as i don't associate myself with my nation 2 much i would be very angry if some other retarded admins took idea of sg as normal which would eventually ended in a way that i have to specially send ip number to 3/8 serv i wanna play just because i live where i live.
p.s. mayor Internet provider in poland blocks mirc ports so it is quite pain in the ass to fulfill process of registration.
p.p.s. i am getting seriously annoyed hearing stuff like "95% of polish player are morons"
do u have some evidence to prove it?if not i may say that 99,9% of sperm cell got wasted because by coincident 00,1 inseminated the cell and then u dear statistic researcher wannabe was borned.
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and as i don't associate myself with my nation 2 much i would be very angry if some other retarded admins took idea of sg as normal which would eventually ended in a way that i have to specially send ip number to 3/8 serv i wanna play just because i live where i live.
p.s. mayor Internet provider in poland blocks mirc ports so it is quite pain in the ass to fulfill process of registration.
a) relocate. And btw it is only ONE server, even when that is 3/8 for you i would mean you still have 21 servers left. So be grateful for that or you just might find out that the other 21 server decide to do the same.
b) onoez discrimation in progess and that in Poland, might it be the want to deny their own race the possibility to talk? ehrm... isn't that called racism?
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This sand in you vagina must be quite annoying, dont you want to go to a doctor?
I know a good doctor, Dr.Cartman:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=h_DnSfbc9II
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"correct me if i am wrong and if i am not - tuple put some more attention to what are u writing(or practice reflex) "
wtf are you even talking about? I am talking about the "poor polish farmer" account you shithead.
"thou lots of ppl is not happy with it because they don't like child pornography and even if they are not owners of server they force me to shut it down. "
holy crap, you really are a dipshit. You are actually comparing controlling child pornography with controlling a game server. I won't go into why your argument is idiotic, cause you won't understand. I'm sorry, I will be nicer next time. I didn't realize that you are a moron.
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hmm to start with....
previously u ware bugged by fact i made special account to participate in this lovely conversation
""Someone please delete that account since it was so obviously made for this particular post. Please help prevent troll users."
so did the other guy except he did it be4 so i started wandering why haven't u pointed at him?
simple isn't it?
"holy crap, you really are a dipshit. You are actually comparing controlling child pornography with controlling a game server"
no it was an example
to put it more simply (4 u)
i was trying to prove that statement "i own serv i can do fucking everything" was indeed wrong - special 4 u -make a map with child porn pictures on the map walls and then run it on the serv and we will see how long it will keep going.the example is drastic and maybe i overdid it but it proves what i wanted to say. and as i written after the act of banning pl ppl on sg serv is b a d since it affirm hostility toward nation on public space which in some country may be the reason to shut it down.
hope u get it
or do i need 2 drow it 4 u?
now u have to excuse me i need 2 go 2 sleep.
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Like You said it "hostility _TOWARD_ a country".
Is it really hostile to deny someone the entry into his home/country/we?
If so, then redirect your anger towards all those states that deny ppl the entry, like USA, Canada, France, Italy, Germany, Russia... ehrm.. there is actually NO country in the world that has no regulation against any country.
So that makes them, according to your own twisted logic, child molester and racists as those countries can actually do what they damn well please. And ooooh my! In some parts of the world, the legal age to have intercourse is as low as 14!
*gasp* Call the UN/NATO/USMC/Whatnot! Those baaaad countries need tutoring on what they are forbidden to allow!
hmm, now have a look on how "polish farmer" behaved not sooo long ago.
- Before a child went out of the house it's mother smeared the child's face with her secretions from her vagina. (It was said that would fend off bad luck)
- On the day before the marriage the groom drilled 3 holes in a wooden bridge and stuck his penis through and masturbated using each hole, to ascertain his virility.
- In the spring before the sowing the farmers went to their fields and masturbated into the soil, believing this would ensure a good harvest. After that day when the first rain fell, the menstruating women would go out onto the fields to let the rain flow over their vaginas onto the plowed earth so that their blood could mingle with their mens sperm.
My point in this rant is, that you my dear "polish farmer boy" have not yet reached the 21th century and/or that you have never heard of server- and country- autarcy.
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(http://user.uni-frankfurt.de/~adamkiew/Pics/NewFun/n1/imnotaracist.jpg)
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there is actually NO country in the world that has no regulation against any country.
thats cool.
despite server is not a coutry.
how many servs bans other nations?
so far i have heard just 1.and as i writen before i am afraid that this bad habbit may spreed.
btw even coutry can't do what he is pleased too.it can even get messy if u have imaginated nucler weapon-but this is bit off topic.
hmm, now have a look on how "polish farmer" behaved not sooo long ago.
- Before a child went out of the house it's mother smeared the child's face with her secretions from her vagina. (It was said that would fend off bad luck)
- On the day before the marriage the groom drilled 3 holes in a wooden bridge and stuck his penis through and masturbated using each hole, to ascertain his virility.
- In the spring before the sowing the farmers went to their fields and masturbated into the soil, believing this would ensure a good harvest. After that day when the first rain fell, the menstruating women would go out onto the fields to let the rain flow over their vaginas onto the plowed earth so that their blood could mingle with their mens sperm.
we still do it.dosen't it sound like fun?i need to go buy cigs...mom , mom whare are u i need some of your vagina(i knew i am adult but i still feel like mom's boy)
p.s. i still put my dick in dick(disk?) drive before i own a game.
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off (?) top
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FISH
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(http://user.uni-frankfurt.de/~adamkiew/Pics/NewFun/n1/popedemands.jpg)
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no way.
the new pope is german
he is a racist and a neo liberal nationalist.
he refuses immigrants from arab to live in vatican
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Look whose talking. Now, take it easy, it is a goddamned game. Go to another server and your problem is solved. Or even better, move to another county :)
And 99.9% of polish players are annoying morons.
And yes, I am a lame forum sniper with no-life, no social connections. Damn, I don't even have limbs, I poke my keyboard (and my harbl) with my nose.
But on the other hand, you are here crying about something that noone gives a toss about. GTFO please.
I love this thread 8)
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(http://user.uni-frankfurt.de/~adamkiew/mietz%20approved.jpg)
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And yes, I am a lame forum sniper with no-life, no social connections. Damn, I don't even have limbs, I poke my keyboard (and my harbl) with my nose.
4 1st time i can't tell is someone is being sarcastic or not
<3
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Oh look, whose the forum sniper :-)
PS. wonder why this hasn't been locked yet
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because its fucking hilarious to read how much nonsense solo is able to produce
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This thread is a
(http://user.uni-frankfurt.de/~adamkiew/Pics/NewFun/n1/greatsuccess.jpg)
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PS. wonder why this hasn't been locked yet
ye wierd.
to be honest i feel like bad emotions abandoned me.
i am tired of trying to defend some good cause.
instead i would love to insult some nation.
any suggestions (pl don't count i am feeded up with that one)
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i was being serious u german fag
btw all germans are fags
being fag is soooo gay
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pwned idioto, jestem z polski
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"Location: dev/ Universe4/ Galaxy/ Solar System/ Earth/ Europe/ Germany/ Frankfurt am Main/ Home/" no u are german fag wannabe and thats even more gay!
99% of german gay wannabe are idiots.
"are u feeling lucky punk?"
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Jak cos odemnie chcesz to pisz po polsku.
or
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Jak cos odemnie chcesz to pisz po polsku.
or
(http://user.uni-frankfurt.de/~adamkiew/Pics/NewFun/kittyscared.jpg)
polish boy that wants to be german gay asking me to speak polish and than posting photo with eng words in it
that is da most gay thing i have ever seen except duran duran concert
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duran duran rocks, and i am proud of my gay side
gays have more fun in life
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and i am bisexual einsturzende neubauten fanboy.
i was only trying to tease a bit.
; )
<3
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i was being serious u german fag
btw all germans are fags
being fag is soooo gay
Yes. you are totally right
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i was being serious u german fag
btw all germans are fags
being fag is soooo gay
PLEASE BAN THIS RACIST NAZI!!!!!!!!!!!!
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" i made special account to participate in this lovely conversation "
Yes you are trolling. Delete the account please. Is this the first and only account you have, and will ever use on tremulous.net? If not, you are most likely trolling.
"so did the other guy except he did it be4 so i started wandering why haven't u pointed at him? "
Yes, someone else did something wrong first, so you should not be held responsible. That makes perfect sense coming from one of the 3 stooges.
"no it was an example"
Yes, and in the example, you compared controlling child pornography to controlling a game server. You also compared controlling a game server with child pornography on it to controlling one without child pornography. You put forth that according to our arguments they are both acceptable, or indistinguishable.
""i own serv i can do fucking everything""
Cause>Effect
Action>Reaction
You are either a complete idiot or you have no idea what... wait, no, you are an idiot.
A person can do anything they want with anything, as long as they are prepared to deal with the consequences. Consequences of banning Poland from Satgnu! (estimated, as I cannot be sure) lower portion of griefers, more room for regulars, having to read whinny little posts about how you are being repressed. Seems win-win to me, almost anyways.
Consequences of putting child pornography on your server? Well, it isn't a victimless crime for starters, but that isn't something that you factored in now, is it?
Satgnu! offerred a service to Polish people that they no longer offer, a service which was given away but is not free. They no longer offer that service. Polish people have the exact same access to the exact same software and services that Satgnu! admins have access to, minus the actual game server. They have every capability to create a Satgnu! replacement, a duplicate if you will. Explain how that's wrong again?
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sorry tuple no constructive replies on this topic no more.
now i am relaxing.
p.s. sorry 4 that stuff about f u c k i n g u up the ass in your childhood.
u may be a good lad.
thou don't call me idiot so often
u fag
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NEW THEME
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LOL
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now for something completely random:
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Stolen from a small company I know.
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Lock
i was being serious u german fag
btw all germans are fags
being fag is soooo gay
Ban
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This thread turned into a Flame War.
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<3
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STOP
the
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WAR
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NO?
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omg i can't even post pic properly
i will flame myself then
-polish farmer boy
-yes?
-u F A G!
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Why do you all keep failing at being even remotely funny? Show some creativity please! I am sure there are numerous novel ways to flame a Polish farmer boy. This is just getting old.
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Why do you all keep failing at being even remotely funny? Show some creativity please! I am sure there are numerous novel ways to flame a Polish farmer boy. This is just getting old.
then why don't you join and show us an example ;)
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No wonder Hitler invaded you guys first.
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No wonder Hitler invaded you guys first.
+1
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So um, this is probably getting a bit out of hand :p.
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Guess you got my email timbo...