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Community => Off Topic => Topic started by: ShadowNinjaDudeMan on January 22, 2007, 07:38:33 pm

Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: ShadowNinjaDudeMan on January 22, 2007, 07:38:33 pm
If anyone is old enough to have been alive in the samme period as this computer, then you should be planning your pension scheme not playing Trem

(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9028/computershavechanged5ra.th.jpg)[/img]
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: n00b pl0x on January 22, 2007, 10:16:36 pm
make fun of my computer again and i will kill you.
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: Diggs on January 23, 2007, 12:18:14 am
You will have to do better than that Shadow.  The Tandy 5000 was well along the PC chain and almost modern history.  It was a 80386 (20 mhz) based machine that ran IBM's OS2.  I have an original PC AT around here somewhere (80286 processor at 12 mhz).  I have older machines than that laying around.  My first PC was 8086 based (8 mhz) Leading Edge (name of the PC maker) with a 30 MB hard drive (long gone).    Before that was the IBM Datamaster, TRS-80 (Trash-80), Commodore 64, Vic-20, etc.  All non-PC based machines.

Did you know the first hard drive IBM made for the PC was called a Winchester drive?  They wanted a 30 MB hard drive with a 30 ms. access time.  Hence the 30-30, ie. the Winchester (as in the 30-30 Winchester hunting rifle).

OK-
I've rambled enough and shown my age.  Any one else?


Diggs


(BTW-  It's not pension but 401K  and IRA)
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: n00b pl0x on January 23, 2007, 12:25:00 am
you like to ramble you should have just made a list of older pcs and then said which you had
30mb harddrive wouldnt even hold hamunaptra and ancient remains lol.
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: Taiyo.uk on January 23, 2007, 12:40:44 am
My abacus still pwnz0rz all j00r b0x3n.
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: yetshi on January 23, 2007, 01:02:47 am
thats not old, you should see my wang.
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: techhead on January 23, 2007, 01:07:03 am
Used to have a Macintosh IIvx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_IIvx), and an old Atari 800 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_8-bit_family).
Yes, Atari once made computers, not just games.
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: Diggs on January 23, 2007, 01:11:53 am
Quote from: "yetshi"
thats not old, you should see my wang.



Really?  Still working (not that you could use it for anything anymore)?  I'm very impressed!

(Most today would think you just made a sexual slur, but some of us know better.)

@n00b
I just made a list of the PCs I owned at one time or another.  The first hard drives at the time I remember were 20 MB (MFMs, my 30 MB was RLL)

Diggs
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: Diggs on January 23, 2007, 01:33:17 am
Quote from: "techhead"
Used to have a Macintosh IIvx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_IIvx), and an old Atari 800 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_8-bit_family).
Yes, Atari once made computers, not just games.


Atari were excellent and way ahead of their time with their computers.  The sound and graphics generators they put in the machines were probably more advanced than any personal computer of the time.  I never had an Atari, but always wanted one.


Diggs
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: Shafe on January 23, 2007, 02:19:36 am
My first comp was a commodore vic 20..

Handfuls of other computers at various times.. the one that sticks out was my first ibm pc compatable.. running an 8088 processor, 1200 baud modem, 10mb hard drive... awesome machine.. ran a bbs on it for years.
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: Diggs on January 23, 2007, 02:47:11 am
Did your Vic have the tape drive?  Slow, but huge storage.

I remember the first IBM PC not having a hard drive (2 floppies), but I don't remember the 10 MB hard drives.  That must have been huge at the time.  My first modem was 2400 baud, but I remember snagging a 300 baud, acoustically coupled modem from the computer lab in college to use.  That was when you took the handset of a phone (they were all the same back then) and pressed it into the cups and it did all the send and receive through the handset.

Those were the days (and I never want to go there again).


Diggs
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: Basilisco on January 23, 2007, 05:48:21 am
I'm too young to know anything older than this beauty right here :D

(http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/7670/macintoshclassic3st.jpg) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_Classic)

Black and White goodness <3
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: kozak6 on January 23, 2007, 07:44:37 am
We have one of those in the garage somewhere.

My brother bought it in the mid-90's for like $5.
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: Taiyo.uk on January 23, 2007, 02:07:01 pm
I'm playing tremulous on a PDP-11/44.
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: DASPRiD on January 23, 2007, 02:30:51 pm
(http://www.evel.d2.cz/education/c642.jpg)

But my one was black, had in-built cassette reader AND a 1337 green display instead of blue :)
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: Stof on January 23, 2007, 03:11:33 pm
CPC 6128 for the win! Now with true multitasking OS capabilities: http://www.symbos.de/facts.htm
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: kevlarman on January 23, 2007, 04:44:01 pm
Quote from: "Diggs"
My first PC was 8086 based (8 mhz) Leading Edge (name of the PC maker) with a 30 MB hard drive (long gone).
same chip (well almost, it's a z80), nearly twice the clock speed (15mhz): (http://www.copcoinc.com/uploads/ti84plus_lo%5B1%5D-1.jpg) don't you just love moore's law?
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: Diggs on January 23, 2007, 04:55:36 pm
@DASPRiD-
There's the tape drive I remember and you are right.  I always remembered the 64s being black.  I thought both the Vic and 64 used a TV for display(?).

@Kevlar-
The Z80 is very close to the 8086/8088.  Most kids on this forum have no idea who Moore was/is or what his law says.  Someday in modern history classes...



Diggs
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: kevlarman on January 23, 2007, 06:19:24 pm
Quote from: "Diggs"
Most kids on this forum have no idea who Moore was/is or what his law says.  Someday in modern history classes...
i'm pretty sure that by most standards i would be grouped with "most kids on the forum", though just barely.
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: Diggs on January 23, 2007, 06:46:22 pm
Quote from: "kevlarman"
Quote from: "Diggs"
Most kids on this forum have no idea who Moore was/is or what his law says.  Someday in modern history classes...
i'm pretty sure that by most standards i would be grouped with "most kids on the forum", though just barely.


The you go to the head of your Comp-Sci class.  On the previous thread about writing desks, on my picture of my desk on the right side wall is an 8" wafer used to make Intel Celeron chips.  And Gordon Moore was....?  (Hint hint)


Diggs
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: gareth on January 23, 2007, 07:23:41 pm
Quote from: "Diggs"
And Gordon Moore was....?  (Hint hint)


full of shit.
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: Neo on January 23, 2007, 07:27:07 pm
Involved in the rise of the CPU industry version of Microsoft?

Integrated Electronics FTS
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: Diggs on January 23, 2007, 08:47:35 pm
@gareth-
Yes, you are full of shit.  Get a life and don't bother us with your rudeness.

@Neo-
Very close, but nothing to do with Microsoft.


Moore was co-founder of Intel which makes him in the top 100 richest people at around $3.7 billion. Moore's law in detail is here-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law


Diggs
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: Neo on January 23, 2007, 09:51:07 pm
If you read my post carefully I never said they have anything to do with Microsoft, just they act like Microsoft.

Moore founded Integrated Electronics, it only became Intel later as a brand change. Try to keep up ;)
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: Diggs on January 23, 2007, 11:18:44 pm
Sorry I misinterpreted your earlier post about Microsoft.

I figured I had been into too much detail already so I left the IE part out.

"Try to keep up."  Why the attitude?  If you would like to discuss chip theory, design, material compounds and manufacture, I'm there (and without the attitude).


Diggs
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: Taiyo.uk on January 23, 2007, 11:20:58 pm
In my day computers were built from 74 series chips. You spent more time hunting down dry joints than debugging software. Be happy.
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: Diggs on January 23, 2007, 11:43:38 pm
Wow!!!  The 74/7400 NANOs as we called them.  A blast from my past at TI in Houston.  I was on the manufacturing side of things back then.  Fond memories, (but more for the weekends on Galveston Island I think.)


Diggs
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: Foobicam on January 24, 2007, 01:04:36 am
Quote from: "Diggs"
...   Before that was the IBM Datamaster, TRS-80 (Trash-80), Commodore 64, Vic-20, etc.  All non-PC based machines.

Did you know the first hard drive IBM made for the PC was called a Winchester drive?  They wanted a 30 MB hard drive with a 30 ms. access time.  Hence the 30-30, ie. the Winchester (as in the 30-30 Winchester hunting rifle).


My first computer was a 1 MHz 6502 chip running on an Ohio Scientific motherboard.  That's when Motorola 6800 chips were running about $250 (in 1975 dollars!) and MOS Technology (later Commodore) had just introduced the 6502 at the amazing price of $25.

I later upgraded to a Synertek SYM-1 single-board 6502 computer with audio cassette storage.
Title: Re: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: Foobicam on January 24, 2007, 01:14:48 am
Quote from: "ShadowNinjaDudeMan"
If anyone is old enough to have been alive in the samme period as this computer, then you should be planning your pension scheme not playing Trem

And if you're old enough to be playing on a computer purchased with your own money (i.e. not still playing on mom's machine), you should also be planning your retirement.  If you're not fully funding a 401k and IRA your first day on the job, you're a loser.
Title: Re: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: n00b pl0x on January 24, 2007, 02:31:31 am
Quote from: "Foobicam"
Quote from: "ShadowNinjaDudeMan"
If anyone is old enough to have been alive in the samme period as this computer, then you should be planning your pension scheme not playing Trem

And if you're old enough to be playing on a computer purchased with your own money (i.e. not still playing on mom's machine), you should also be planning your retirement.  If you're not fully funding a 401k and IRA your first day on the job, you're a loser.


quite owned
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: ShadowNinjaDudeMan on January 28, 2007, 07:04:21 pm
(http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/5723/mutantreactorqb4.th.jpg)

Im the spider
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: kozak6 on January 29, 2007, 04:00:10 am
I'd be more impressed if that weren't a picture of a thumbnail.
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: Taiyo.uk on January 29, 2007, 04:23:20 am
Quote from: "Diggs"
Wow!!!  The 74/7400 NANOs as we called them.  A blast from my past at TI in Houston.  I was on the manufacturing side of things back then.  Fond memories, (but more for the weekends on Galveston Island I think.)

You worked at a TI fab plant?
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: ShadowNinjaDudeMan on January 29, 2007, 07:43:00 pm
I made that picture, using photoshop, but I cant seem to get it, non thumbnail from imageshack.

To prove it ive made another post with all my other edited pictures of trem, although there are only 3.
Title: *Sigh* Things have changed...
Post by: Basilisco on January 29, 2007, 08:19:20 pm
Quote from: "ShadowNinjaDudeMan"
I made that picture, using photoshop, but I cant seem to get it, non thumbnail from imageshack.

To prove it ive made another post with all my other edited pictures of trem, although there are only 3.


Copy the last link of the page, the one that says "Direct link to image"