Tremulous Forum

General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Mopatop on February 15, 2007, 01:16:10 am

Title: aimbots
Post by: Mopatop on February 15, 2007, 01:16:10 am
how do u kno if someone is using one, or if someone is really skilled?
cos sometimes u get people who just dont miss with a md.
Title: aimbots
Post by: DieFamilyGuy on February 15, 2007, 01:20:44 am
people (like pinkyandthebrain) i believe use something called "unlagged". not sure what it does exactly, but they hit pretty good with the md.

you can tell if they are aimbotting if when you spec em, they appear to hit every shot (excluding md, in which case they may be using the above something)
Title: aimbots
Post by: kozak6 on February 15, 2007, 01:24:22 am
Yeah, spec 'em.

If you see them track enemies before they are visible, "snap" onto enemies, etc, they are probably botting.

Make sure you record a demo.
Title: aimbots
Post by: _Equilibrium_ on February 15, 2007, 01:31:00 am
yeah, if they are making weird jerks and movements, they are probably botting.
Title: aimbots
Post by: Coca-Cola on February 15, 2007, 01:34:02 am
There isn't a way to tell. they are using it, or not. If theres the slightest doubt in your mind, then they aren't using it.
Title: aimbots
Post by: kevlarman on February 15, 2007, 01:56:56 am
Quote from: "DieFamilyGuy"
people (like pinkyandthebrain) i believe use something called "unlagged". not sure what it does exactly, but they hit pretty good with the md.
unlagged is a server mod that almost perfectly compensates for network latency for hittests on hitscan weapons.
Title: aimbots
Post by: vcxzet on February 15, 2007, 02:10:19 am
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8943/shot0000wc3.jpg)
this is not an aimbot just let me see every ones HP buildables players
(thanks to new buildable status display)
not bad for 10 minutes. eh?
edit: thiss aimbot talk leads nowhere
just get used to living with it
Title: aimbots
Post by: Lakitu7 on February 15, 2007, 02:45:20 am
Quote from: "kevlarman"
Quote from: "DieFamilyGuy"
people (like pinkyandthebrain) i believe use something called "unlagged". not sure what it does exactly, but they hit pretty good with the md.
unlagged is a server mod that almost perfectly compensates for network latency for hittests on hitscan weapons.


What he said. When you play on most servers nowdays, you're using it too. :) What it means is that people no longer have to "lead" their shots with driver, shotty, mgun, etc. So suddenly when it went into play, a lot of people who have mediocre ping and the capability for good aim-n-twitch, but not path prediction, became capable.
Title: aimbots
Post by: _Equilibrium_ on February 15, 2007, 02:46:35 am
i wish i could get it to work. the shotgun is annoying with high ping.
Title: aimbots
Post by: Vector_Matt on February 15, 2007, 03:09:45 am
Quote from: "vcxzet"
Ouch my eyes! Please change your sig.

Edit: yay, it's not flashing anymore.
Title: aimbots
Post by: Undeference on February 15, 2007, 03:51:03 am
Quote from: "_Equilibrium_"
i wish i could get it to work. the shotgun is annoying with high ping.
The only weapons I can use with any degree of effectiveness with high ping are shotgun and mdriver.
Title: aimbots
Post by: BeerBastard on February 15, 2007, 06:50:07 am
Where you playing on beergarden with me and pinky last night?  Also Md is easier than it looks try it sometime.
Title: aimbots
Post by: [EVIL]Unknown on February 15, 2007, 01:46:35 pm
i get a lot of aimbotting acusations lately.. MD is an easy weapon to use if u get use to the movements of aliens.  

this unlagged is actually screwing with it and helping at the same time.. leading my shots dont always work now but sometimes those around the corner just misses become finishing kills >D

only thing i can say is aimbotting cant match up to experience and real skill.
Title: aimbots
Post by: tuple on February 15, 2007, 03:04:37 pm
Here (http://mercenariesguild.net/base/official.dm_69) is a demo of an aimbotter.  The crappier aimbotters are very easy to identify.  If you "think" you see an aimbotter, you probably don't.
Title: aimbots
Post by: Coca-Cola on February 15, 2007, 10:44:34 pm
Quote from: "[EVIL
Unknown"]
only thing i can say is aimbotting cant match up to experience and real skill.


Then why does everyone whine?
Title: aimbots
Post by: vcxzet on February 16, 2007, 10:11:12 am
(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6929/shot0000vs5.jpg)
(http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2143/shot0001fm5.jpg)
Title: aimbots
Post by: rapha on February 16, 2007, 10:51:48 am
Uh, what have screenshots of other players/buildings with their HP to do with aimbotting?
Title: aimbots
Post by: [EVIL]Unknown on February 16, 2007, 12:22:58 pm
Quote
Then why does everyone whine?


cause thats the world we live in.. being part of the same community we just have to put up with them and ignore their stupidity
Title: aimbots
Post by: _Equilibrium_ on February 16, 2007, 02:19:56 pm
Quote from: "vcxzet"
*snip*
you can see opposing hp too? that's kinda cheap...
Title: aimbots
Post by: vcxzet on February 16, 2007, 02:56:09 pm
Quote from: "_Equilibrium_"
Quote from: "vcxzet"
*snip*
you can see opposing hp too? that's kinda cheap...

cheap? I'd say free as in freedom
Title: aimbots
Post by: Mopatop on February 16, 2007, 07:34:30 pm
Quote from: "BeerBastard"
Where you playing on beergarden with me and pinky last night?  Also Md is easier than it looks try it sometime.

nah it was on another server. where someone litterally didnt miss any shots. u n pinky atleast miss sometimes
Title: aimbots
Post by: Puma on February 16, 2007, 11:14:03 pm
1-> check aimbot videos on youtube....
2-> check normal aim videos
3-> record the "cheater"
4-> analyze(u cant catch a cheater, who is playing like a normal playa..)

yea, and check some cheat forum ^^
sometimes it works, right pong? :wink:
Title: aimbots
Post by: Ace1 on February 17, 2007, 10:13:01 am
oh rite
Title: aimbots
Post by: cp blast on February 19, 2007, 08:11:14 am
Quote from: "vcxzet"
(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6929/shot0000vs5.jpg)
(http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2143/shot0001fm5.jpg)



Any chance of sharing that modification?
Title: aimbots
Post by: NiTRoX on February 19, 2007, 09:10:07 am
I'me bored of hearing the [OPP]Pinkandthebrain uses an aimbot.

HE DOES NOT. He's just good with that friggin' Mass Driver!!Accept it,he's better than you and me!
Title: aimbots
Post by: raf on February 19, 2007, 10:22:52 am
Quote from: "_Equilibrium_"
you can see opposing hp too? that's kinda cheat...

fixed
Title: aimbots
Post by: vcxzet on February 19, 2007, 11:39:04 am
Quote from: "raf"
Quote from: "_Equilibrium_"
you can see opposing hp too? that's kinda cheat...

fixed

and I by-pass pure check .... agaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain  :D

this is the code if you are interested

dont delete please; this portion of code doesnt exploit anything. this is something useful for modders

http://www.mercenariesguild.net/tremx/playerHP.patch
Title: aimbots
Post by: Coca-Cola on February 19, 2007, 04:46:37 pm
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot0034oz6.jpg
Title: aimbots
Post by: tomek-k on February 19, 2007, 05:52:42 pm
Quote from: "Coca-Cola"
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot0034oz6.jpg


 :o

looks like a hacked z-buffering...
Title: aimbots
Post by: Glunnator on February 21, 2007, 07:18:43 pm
*cracky village elder voice*
Yee aaall belieeve iin thee aaaiimmboott!
For Ii have seen it, aaand ittis real!
*/cracky village elder voice*

Aimbots are overrated in stealth.
They are more rare than people think.
They are also much easier to spot than people think.

I've seen one, or at least a hack, this is what I saw, speccing.

Guy with MD. He had killed me quite a few times when I was a dretch at strange angles... So I decided to spec him.

I saw my alien teammates desparatly attacking him as goons and dretches, all to be killed amazingly quickly. 2 kills made me sure of it: he's not playing right.

Shot 1: I was speccing from outside. Dretch was closing in on him from the right - about 90 degrees from the direction he was facing. BAM. Shot. Dead dretch and the hummie hadn't moved at all. Just the one shot.

Shot 2: Another hummie had joined him. a rifle, no armour. Dretch runs up to rifler and attacks. I was watching from inside. I saw as the dretch attacked nekked hummie, carefully hid BEHIND him so the aimbotter (or hacker) couldn't hit him. He did. One shot killing a dretch BEHIND another hummie.

This makes me sad.
It makes me sad to see that people don't play fair.
Of course it is to be expected that there are unfair people out there, but this guy used to be a respectful honest guy in my eyes.

The way this world is built hurts me deeper than any sword possibly could.
Title: aimbots
Post by: rapha on February 21, 2007, 07:25:29 pm
Dude I don't want to steal your sadness or anything, but have you considered that guy was just trying out an aimbot on that particular game? I mean, just because someone cheats once in a while doesn't mean humanity has gone evil, right?
Title: aimbots
Post by: Undeference on February 21, 2007, 07:29:07 pm
I read an article suggesting that surgeons who play online games are better at their job.
Considering surgeons have really steady hands and good coordination, I imagine the only thing preventing them from being aim bots is (possibly) tracking and reflexes, both of which can be honed.

Surgeons are aimbots. I think I went into the wrong line of work :cry:
Title: aimbots
Post by: E-Mxp on February 21, 2007, 10:27:04 pm
Quote from: "Undeference"
Surgeons are aimbots. I think I went into the wrong line of work :cry:

We are talking about aimbots, not uberplayer surgeons.
(Surgeons are walking aimbots?? Cool!! :D )
Title: aimbots
Post by: _Equilibrium_ on February 21, 2007, 11:25:57 pm
actually, surgeons generally stand still when doing their work.
Title: aimbots
Post by: Coca-Cola on February 22, 2007, 01:41:57 am
Quote from: "_Equilibrium_"
actually, surgeons generally stand still when doing their work.


Yea, i jump up and down, and do a little jig in my chair when I'm playing FPs's. -.-
Title: Caffeine or a full bladder?
Post by: player1 on February 22, 2007, 02:47:30 am
Quote from: "Coca-Cola"
Quote from: "_Equilibrium_"
actually, surgeons generally stand still when doing their work.


Yea, i jump up and down, and do a little jig in my chair when I'm playing FPs's. -.-


Drink less soda... :wink:
Title: aimbots
Post by: holyknight on February 22, 2007, 05:15:55 am
Aimbot in CS is hilirious. Their crosshair twitches and when the enemy apprears, he just glances at the enemy and turns back, with the enemy dying with "HEADSHOT!"
it's freaking hilirious... wonder if that works with Tremulous :0
Title: aimbots
Post by: cp blast on February 22, 2007, 12:48:59 pm
Quote from: "vcxzet"
Quote from: "raf"
Quote from: "_Equilibrium_"
you can see opposing hp too? that's kinda cheat...

fixed

and I by-pass pure check .... agaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain  :D

this is the code if you are interested

dont delete please; this portion of code doesnt exploit anything. this is something useful for modders

http://www.mercenariesguild.net/tremx/playerHP.patch


sorry, but how do you actually use .patch files?
Title: aimbots
Post by: rapha on February 22, 2007, 01:09:48 pm
Why, you take a needle and a bit of thread and sew them to your tremulous.x86, of course.
Title: aimbots
Post by: beerbitch on February 22, 2007, 04:59:37 pm
Quote from: "cp blast"
Quote from: "vcxzet"
Quote from: "raf"
Quote from: "_Equilibrium_"
you can see opposing hp too? that's kinda cheat...

fixed

and I by-pass pure check .... agaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain  :D

this is the code if you are interested

dont delete please; this portion of code doesnt exploit anything. this is something useful for modders

http://www.mercenariesguild.net/tremx/playerHP.patch


sorry, but how do you actually use .patch files?


cd /dir/with/source/code
patch -p0 < thepatchfile.patch

By the way, that patch only works with latest svn revisions, and uses functions that are only in the latest revisions so you can't play on 1.1 servers with a build from it. If you had some coding skills you could probably merge manually what works into an older revision without too much trouble. Its funny to see the helmet hack being just a one line of code commented out, lol.
Title: aimbots
Post by: Undeference on February 22, 2007, 05:59:12 pm
Quote
ch /dir/with/source/code

cd...

It's a cgame patch so you can't play on pure servers with it anyway unless you circumvent pure checks.
Title: aimbots
Post by: kogeT on February 22, 2007, 06:49:52 pm
I wonder how the vcxzet guy could see the helmmap without even wearing it.. :|

As I can see it doesnt add HP view only. ;X

--
Mr.Stabby
Title: aimbots
Post by: beerbitch on February 22, 2007, 08:57:24 pm
Quote from: "Undeference"
Quote
ch /dir/with/source/code

cd...

It's a cgame patch so you can't play on pure servers with it anyway unless you circumvent pure checks.



FS_ReferencedPakPureChecksums()

:)
Title: aimbots
Post by: vcxzet on February 22, 2007, 09:08:38 pm
Quote from: "beerbitch"
Quote from: "Undeference"
Quote
ch /dir/with/source/code

cd...

It's a cgame patch so you can't play on pure servers with it anyway unless you circumvent pure checks.



FS_ReferencedPakPureChecksums()

:)

great now this thread will be removed
btw you are on the wrong path XD but close
Title: aimbots
Post by: beerbitch on February 22, 2007, 09:11:59 pm
From what I've seen its just a matter of passing a string with the checksums to the server that it expects to see, but I've not dug any further then that. Lets face it, this game is opensource, and its going to have hacks added to it, regardless of our conversations on the forums.

Thank goodness most people reading this are not C programmers. Unfortunately though, some of these things (like the helmet hack) are just so easy anyone can do them.
Title: aimbots
Post by: vcxzet on February 22, 2007, 09:17:49 pm
hacking is always easier than fair play
Title: aimbots
Post by: rapha on February 22, 2007, 10:33:49 pm
Well I am a C programmer but that doesn't mean I'll go check out the sources now to try and hack it. It's just poor if ppl do it IMO and they'll have to pay for such stuff, sooner or later, one way or another. Your karma knows you.
Title: aimbots
Post by: Coca-Cola on February 23, 2007, 01:28:29 am
Quote from: "vcxzet"
hacking is always easier than fair play


I see someone in the not too distant future using that as their sig. ;p
Title: aimbots
Post by: [A] on February 23, 2007, 11:19:11 am
cg_drawcrosshair 0 is the perfect way to make other players crying "ZOMG, AIMBOT CHEAT HAX !"
Title: aimbots
Post by: Shadowgandor on February 24, 2007, 04:50:56 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkT3WKRBA_I&mode=related&search= now that i've seen this movie, i know that the ppl who killed me ain't using aimbots ^^
i wish they were legal on a couple of servers, having 1234 kills in 30 minutes would be great ^^
Title: aimbots
Post by: David on February 24, 2007, 07:39:32 pm
Due to the close combat and jumping aliens, aim bots are much more extreme in tremulous.

Quote from: "Shadowgandor"
having 1234 kills in 30 minutes would be great ^^


Of course we all know that having way more kills then your opponents shows that you are to retarded to understand the game.
Title: aimbots
Post by: ::ThePredator on February 24, 2007, 09:11:56 pm
On W:ET there are a couple of aimbot severs, playing on there even without one is fun.
Title: aimbots
Post by: Radiohead on February 25, 2007, 07:00:33 am
Quote from: "david"
Of course we all know that having way more kills then your opponents shows that you are to retarded to understand the game.


I like that line.
Title: aimbots
Post by: beerbitch on February 26, 2007, 11:05:31 pm
Well, I was messing around with the code again today, and managed to spoof being a pure client even though I had custom cgame/game/ui qvm files. Was only like 6 lines of code I added to FS_LoadZipFile()

 8)
Title: aimbots
Post by: Coca-Cola on February 27, 2007, 07:17:05 pm
Cookie?

+1 post count
Title: aimbots
Post by: beerbitch on February 27, 2007, 09:12:58 pm
Quote from: "Coca-Cola"
Cookie?

+1 post count


Yes, thank you, now I feel it was worth the effort.
Title: aimbots
Post by: PFB on June 14, 2007, 11:48:21 am
sad
Title: aimbots
Post by: sleekslacker on June 14, 2007, 12:54:22 pm
If you decide to try an aimbot while you are not a developer at all, you just deserve a ban. Because your objectives are either one of these : 1) To own people using an aimbot (lame) 2) To see if you can use this aimbot in the future (lame) 3) To annoy people with your hacks (lame).
Title: aimbots
Post by: tuple on June 14, 2007, 01:16:43 pm
Is there a need to highlight the numerous aimbot threads?  I don't think so.  Nothing new added, particularly that can't be added to one of the more recent threads, so lock :)

Not to mention that so many of these are pretty much necros