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General => Feedback => Topic started by: David on March 02, 2007, 04:15:45 pm

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: David on March 02, 2007, 04:15:45 pm

Here's my try at making a suggestion thread.
Should I be booking a funeral now, or will you cremate me for free?

The hovel is a waste of time.
Its a free barricade, and used as such, as therefore is never used for its real purpose, defending grangers. (Maybe because the grangers are all out attacking?)

So I suggest the hovel is removed, and the OM gains the ability to shelter grangers.
That or say the hovel has to be built within a short range of the OM, like the range for devolving to a granger in the balance mod.

/me runs away

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: Plague Bringer on March 02, 2007, 04:53:11 pm

hovels would be used if you could build 2 (and  "teleport" from one to the other) and/or if they could hold more grangers

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: Survivor on March 02, 2007, 07:14:10 pm

Hovels would be used for protecting grangers if they could actually take a beating. As it stands now you're better of fleeing than hiding in there waiting for your doom. Once it actually is a real safehouse in moderate assaults it will be used by the granger.

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: gareth on March 02, 2007, 07:38:34 pm

hovels would be usefull if they allowed grangers to hide in them and fire super granger spit balls from them.

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: Rawr on March 02, 2007, 10:51:56 pm

My hidey Hole!!!

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: David on March 02, 2007, 11:28:08 pm

Quote from: "Survivor"

Hovels would be used for protecting grangers if they could actually take a beating. As it stands now you're better of fleeing than hiding in there waiting for your doom. Once it actually is a real safehouse in moderate assaults it will be used by the granger.

Exactly,  its useless.
Bin it or upgrade it.
But you cant upgrade it, as its already used as a free barricade.
So that only leaves binning on the list....

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: Survivor on March 02, 2007, 11:40:21 pm

Quote from: "David"

Quote from: "Survivor"

Hovels would be used for protecting grangers if they could actually take a beating. As it stands now you're better of fleeing than hiding in there waiting for your doom. Once it actually is a real safehouse in moderate assaults it will be used by the granger.

Exactly,  its useless.
Bin it or upgrade it.
But you cant upgrade it, as its already used as a free barricade.
So that only leaves binning on the list....

Off the top of my head.

Granger enter hovel> Hovel HP*10. start with something weak like 150 which  a full rifle clip can blow easy, granger enters hovel. 1500 hp. 4 normal pulse clips or 6 fully charged luci blasts. Just an example which would need balancing.

But tbh all this speculation is getting useless since we only know a few things the devs have changed for sure. We don't know if they have or have not changed something already. A simple list with subject- changed/unchanged/not yet changed(need ideas) would suffice :(

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: Odin on March 03, 2007, 04:13:29 am

Honestly, I have never once used the Hovel for its real purpose. I have never used it as a safe haven against human attacks. In fact, as a Granger, I would run back further into the base and evolve to Dretch so I could help fight back. Sometimes if it's impossible to evolve to Dretch, I actually fight, if winning is possible(granger slice headshot against unhelmeted human for a kill).

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: Basilisco on March 03, 2007, 05:45:05 am

If it sounds funny, then leave it

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: Rawr on March 03, 2007, 05:45:57 am

I use it to teleport  :wink:

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Post by: kozak6 on March 03, 2007, 08:44:52 am

I don't think I've ever seen "bin" used as a verb before.

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: Henners on March 03, 2007, 10:02:03 am

native speaker slang...

Anyway for once I actually agree - the Hovel is a bit pointless in its current form.

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: vcxzet on March 03, 2007, 10:49:21 am

make it throw spikes in all directions if the enemy is near

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: Norfenstein on March 03, 2007, 04:24:12 pm

Quote from: "Survivor"

But tbh all this speculation is getting useless since we only know a few things the devs have changed for sure. We don't know if they have or have not changed something already. A simple list with subject- changed/unchanged/not yet changed(need ideas) would suffice :(

All of the gameplay changes already implemented are up on tjw's server. Anything you haven't yet heard on TremRadio (http://www.tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3718) is too minor or speculative to mention yet. Some graphical changes have been more or less completed too, but you'll have to wait to see those (require a client-side update).

To be honest I'd completely forgotten about the hovel. Suffice to say it's a really low priority. I don't have any ideas for it either.

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: Rawr on March 03, 2007, 05:11:24 pm

All I would really have to say about it is,
Same HP - Can withstand 1.5 full lucy shots.
Fix bugging - Error on ATCS on ramp.
defense mechanism - Acid, spikes, what ever.
New creep object - Hovel has smaller creep range then egg or OM, but it does not need a egg/om to be built.

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: kevlarman on March 03, 2007, 05:47:53 pm

Quote from: "bazuka_poo"

Fix bugging - Error on ATCS on ramp.

timbo has said he won't be fixing that bug for now

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: Rawr on March 03, 2007, 05:48:38 pm

Quote from: "kevlarman"

Quote from: "bazuka_poo"

Fix bugging - Error on ATCS on ramp.

timbo has said he won't be fixing that bug for now

 :cry:  :cry:  :cry:

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: kevlarman on March 03, 2007, 06:54:09 pm

Quote from: "bazuka_poo"

Quote from: "kevlarman"

Quote from: "bazuka_poo"

Fix bugging - Error on ATCS on ramp.

timbo has said he won't be fixing that bug for now

 :cry:  :cry:  :cry:

does it really matter? i used to use this bug in creative ways pretty often, but pretty much everyone knows about it, and they always shoot at the real location of the turret/hovel/egg/whatever

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: Rawr on March 03, 2007, 08:22:11 pm

No it really doesn't.
However, It is a turn off to most player to see a game filled with glitches, even small ones like this.

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: Lava Croft on March 04, 2007, 05:08:52 am

Please do not bin my home!

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: Fluxflashor on March 04, 2007, 05:32:39 am

Ok I only found one use for the hovel and its for an uber glitch... next time im on darklurkers lair maybe ill glitch the hovel again to piss off Quakin XD Ill record a demo... it explodes insanely than humans cant go by it or they meet their doom.


DONT BIN IT!!!!

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: holyknight on March 04, 2007, 09:27:42 am

Quote from: "Plague Bringer"

hovels would be used if you could build 2 (and  "teleport" from one to the other) and/or if they could hold more grangers

that sounds like a best idea :)

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: next_ghost on March 04, 2007, 09:46:09 am

Quote from: "Fluxflashor"

Ok I only found one use for the hovel and its for an uber glitch... next time im on darklurkers lair maybe ill glitch the hovel again to piss off Quakin XD Ill record a demo... it explodes insanely than humans cant go by it or they meet their doom.


DONT BIN IT!!!!

Fixed since SVN865. Tell the admin to update to SVN871.

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: Rekov on March 05, 2007, 04:51:19 pm

Quote from: "holyknight"

Quote from: "Plague Bringer"

hovels would be used if you could build 2 (and  "teleport" from one to the other) and/or if they could hold more grangers

that sounds like a best idea :)

You could make it a granger escape path. Especially on maps where the aliens can be trapped in their base effectivly during an attach. On nexus with the long narrow hallways leading into the alien default grangers cant escape effectivly.

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: Norfenstein on March 05, 2007, 06:46:30 pm

We really don't want aliens to have any easier a time escaping and rebuilding.

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: Plague Bringer on March 05, 2007, 08:36:51 pm

atleast give it creep and let it be built instead of an egg in a minibase >_> I hate the possibility of a feeder egg when testing new forward bases.

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: _Equilibrium_ on March 06, 2007, 03:51:15 am

i like the idea of makign it a manned turret XD. granger enters it and can shoot barbs or something. 3 in stock (like adv goon), but regens barbs faster.

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: Paradox on March 06, 2007, 04:43:04 pm

Hovels should have giant legs, and a cannon that shoots huge balls of acid, that when the acid balls explode, they shower the humans in acid and bees, and the bees sting the humans, and the acid forms creep on the floors, and the hovel becomes a giant tank of doom.

But it requires 2 grangers, a gunner and a driver.

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: daenyth on March 06, 2007, 05:34:40 pm

Hovel needs to be able to spawn grangers when there are no eggs, it should have 3000hp, with double regen rate. It will also do a combo of trapper/acid tube to any human who comes within 500gu.


Oh, and it has to stay at 0 sentience.

To balance this, humans can have a 10bp 'barricade' that can live through 4 goon barbs.

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: _Equilibrium_ on March 06, 2007, 10:33:26 pm

Quote from: "daenyth"

Hovel needs to be able to spawn grangers when there are no eggs, it should have 3000hp, with double regen rate. It will also do a combo of trapper/acid tube to any human who comes within 500gu.


Oh, and it has to stay at 0 sentience.

To balance this, humans can have a 10bp 'barricade' that can live through 4 goon barbs.

how does that balance the beastly hovel you proposed at all?

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: Stof on March 07, 2007, 03:03:49 pm

Quote from: "_Equilibrium_"

Quote from: "daenyth"

Hovel needs to be able to spawn grangers when there are no eggs, it should have 3000hp, with double regen rate. It will also do a combo of trapper/acid tube to any human who comes within 500gu.


Oh, and it has to stay at 0 sentience.

To balance this, humans can have a 10bp 'barricade' that can live through 4 goon barbs.

how does that balance the beastly hovel you proposed at all?

And THAT people is the reason why you should ALWAYS add a smiley of some kind when you make some sarcastic comment on the web :)

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: _Equilibrium_ on March 07, 2007, 09:00:00 pm

i sure hope that post was sarcasm.

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: Plague Bringer on March 07, 2007, 11:58:08 pm

You beat me to saying that...we should make the armoury a bunker that hummies can enter that spams tesla and luci blasts when an alien gets close

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: Raytray on March 08, 2007, 12:17:52 pm

Quote from: "Plague Bringer"

You beat me to saying that...we should make the armoury a bunker that hummies can enter that spams tesla and luci blasts when an alien gets close

You forgot to add ''healing/ammogiving aura''

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: Stof on March 08, 2007, 02:05:38 pm

Quote from: "Plague Bringer"

(...) a bunker that hummies can enter that spams tesla and luci blasts when an alien gets close

I don't see what it would improve, human bases already behave exactly like that in most games :)

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: daenyth on March 08, 2007, 03:44:44 pm

I plan on opening a sarcasm detector store, since it seems that many people need to have theirs replaced.

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: _Equilibrium_ on March 08, 2007, 11:23:31 pm

i'll take a free one, as i am broke right now

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: Paradox on March 08, 2007, 11:45:18 pm

I do think that humans need a barricade of some sort. Could be a forcefield generator...

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: Plague Bringer on March 09, 2007, 12:36:25 am

Quote from: "Stof"

Quote from: "Plague Bringer"

(...) a bunker that hummies can enter that spams tesla and luci blasts when an alien gets close

I don't see what it would improve, human bases already behave exactly like that in most games :)

i meant that'd balance the superhovelweapon >_>

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: techhead on March 09, 2007, 08:25:59 pm

You want a Force-field generator?
Have a Tesla with 0 damage, short range (~200), and crazy high knock-back.
Unfortunately, it has 50 hp, to compensate for its melee invincibility.

To fix the Hovel, make it have double hp when it has a Granger inside.
Hard, crunchy outside, but a creamy Granger filling.

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: David on March 09, 2007, 08:29:04 pm

Quote from: "techhead"

Hard, crunchy outside, but a creamy Granger filling.

LOL!

Title: Bin the hovel.
Post by: n00b pl0x on March 11, 2007, 07:07:20 am

i want the beast hovel