Tremulous Forum
Community => Servers => Topic started by: Confess on March 28, 2007, 12:31:17 am
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So, im curious, in my opinion SST has been greatly improved within the last month or so, with the Council being given more power and being implimented. Although it isnt in full power, it's in the majority.
So, whatcha think? Have we improved (adminship wise)? And what would you do differently?
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i used to get 30 ping there. now i get 130 ping. discourages me even moe from going there (not that i did much anyway). however, it has admins constantly on, which is good i guess.
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|SST| is great, admins there rock. GOOD JOB!
(BTW, hi meow?)
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Well, where I am currently, I get 15 ping because I am in Huntington Beach, CA. But where I live, I get around 50-70 pending on spam and other players. Yesh SST has improved.
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my ping dropped from about 90 average to 40 average and 30 without a whole bunch of 200 pingers
~|CoM| GENIE
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SST teaches newbs how not to play. By doing so it causes problems for other servers. Until someone comes up with a solution for this, I will always be voting no.
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No. you didn't improve. You always suck more every day.
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SST teaches newbs how not to play.
may i ask how?
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SST teaches newbs how not to play.
may i ask how?
something about the 260 bps i'm assuming?
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People join SST because it has a load of 0x01's in front of its name.
They then learn the basics with way too many players, way too many BPs and cheating admins and people who think its normal the to TK for no reason and spam stupid binds. They then go to other servers and build egg farms and spam binds and TK for no reason, and wonder why people don't like them. They get pissed when someone kicks them for avoiding the mute put on them due to chat spam, and start deconing to get revenge.
I'm sure that most SST players don't become deconers, but it sure takes them longer to become competent players, and I'm sure a fair few give up.
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I've been playing on |SST| since the start, and to date I have never deconned anything (except my friend's homework, but that doesn't count.)
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I'm still banned because I uber-naded the base 30 seconds before the clock ran out.
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You get banned for that shit? I'm glad that fucktard tk'd the arm before 15 seconds to game end hit.
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I didn't vote, for the same reason I never fill out customer "how we doin'?" surveys. It changes from day-to-day. SST is a server I play at, when I want to find everybody, or play in a huge game, and get crazy screenshots. I get better ping there now, you're introducing some map rotation variety, even the admins have stopped the really rampant abuses most of the time. I learned a lot of bad stuff there, but I already know about misbehavin', so it hasn't changed me (this ain't my first rodeo). When admins painsaw tk me for standing next to them at an armoury, I very politely and respectfully shoot them in the face with a shotgun while they are standing on the medistation, take my slap and mute, and play on. "OOps sry... I wuz cleaning it & it went off... MY bad." (cough*Para*cough) Yes, you are powerful and feared. The real question is, Do I have a server capable of handling so many players? If I did, could I admin it fulltime? Would I be able to keep it from d/evolving into the Wild West? Is it fun to play with 45 people on, even when most of the action is a massive clusterfarg or campfest? Is there rampant admin abuse and n00b mistreatment at smaller and also clan-oriented servers? (Highrise 18, anyone? "Humans sux! Someone is in jail! Mwahahahahaha!") I consider SST a fun place to play if you don't mind these sorts of things, and I think many players know who the cool people are, who the regulars are, who the abusers, deconners and TKers are, and manage to try and play the game otherwise. Sure it sucks when people don't. But sometimes, when there are only a few dozen people on, and players actually settle into the game, SST can actually be worth a few hours time well spent.
PlayerOne doesn't have his own server
and is thankful that other people do
even when they act like jerks
and hopes honesty won't earn him a lifeban
Oh, and the answers to the above questions are:
No, No, Probably Not, Sometimes, and You Betcha!
I don't decon, except as a team effort, while communicating with teamchat
I'll help build, and if my efforts are not needed, I'll defend or attack
I don't intentionally TK, but you may catch a round or a slash and so might I
I settled on a playername, and play honourably, if suckily, at a small group of a dozen or so servers
When I'm on a smaller server, I try to follow the lead of the players already there
If people are weirdly abusive, I'll play on, or leave, as the mood takes me (on any server, not just the big pubservers)
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Really awesome ways to abuse:
Lock both teams while specvote is disabled, put everyone spec and disconnect
Do !layout load every time the other team destroys something of yours
Spam the chat knowing that you won't be muted
Set everyone at max admin level and let the chaos begin
Bind WASD keys to slap random numbers (/bind a +moveleft;slap 3;slap 4)
Mute EVERYONE
Shoot teammates intentionally and then apologize
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Bind WASD keys to slap random numbers (/bind a +moveleft;slap 3;slap 4)
LOL! One noob binded "s" to say something really retarted before antiflood was implemented on many servers!
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Shoot teammates intentionally and then apologize
You slay me. But then u say "sry" & I can't hate u 4 it. :P
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haven't played there a lot recently TBO. I did play a couple rounds and inflicted massive TKs, I asked and found out the dretch TK was on. I can deal with FF though I don't like it, but dretch TK? No point. As a dretch in S3 you can't even get to the human base without being TKd. I'm sure I'll be told by someone how ,just like FF, it encourages skill (which it doesn't). Small teams that MUST work together and efficiently encourage skill, not server settings or size. I'm sure I'd also be told how a skilled dretch never gets TKd by people who will say to stick to the walls. Thats a line of crap. You can get tk'd on the walls not to mention many ceilings.
I think Paradox is bored with tremulous. On the few occasions I've joined and spectated for a short time, I see the 20 grenades go flying and realize why I definitely don't join when para is on. No point really.
Lots less berating/abusing/bragging with Shak gone, that has frankly improved the environment overall. Being told the best way to play by a mediocre, power hungry hack gets real old real quick. People who follow the letter of the law but not it's spirit annoy me to no end.
Part of Davids point is that large servers just don't encourage skill the way a smaller server does, because you are not as aware of how directly responsible your actions are for how your team has lost. Most people on the forums are, but new players certainly aren't.
SST does seem to have improved though. My complaints notwithstanding, it is definitely a better "large" server than the others, overall. The admins are more responsive (as they always have been) and don't seem to go overboard like they used to.
It's only fun when near full though, otherwise you are just fighting a base.
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I settled on a playername
is your in game name playername or is it something else? if it is something else can you post it or put it in your sig so everyone knows? its helpful if someon wants to play with you in game
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I really appreciate the constructive critism that you guys have given. I will do me best to better serve you guys, thanks for taking the time to respond. It really excites me that a good chunk of you feel that we have improved, but it still dissapoints me that even so much as one of you thinks we havnt, and because of this I will work even harder.
Ill be passing this post along to the Council members to look upon and reflect, at which time they can then use it to better improve SST. Yet again, thanks.
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haven't played there a lot recently TBO. I did play a couple rounds and inflicted massive TKs, I asked and found out the dretch TK was on. I can deal with FF though I don't like it, but dretch TK? No point. As a dretch in S3 you can't even get to the human base without being TKd. I'm sure I'll be told by someone how ,just like FF, it encourages skill (which it doesn't). Small teams that MUST work together and efficiently encourage skill, not server settings or size. I'm sure I'd also be told how a skilled dretch never gets TKd by people who will say to stick to the walls. Thats a line of crap. You can get tk'd on the walls not to mention many ceilings.
I think Paradox is bored with tremulous. On the few occasions I've joined and spectated for a short time, I see the 20 grenades go flying and realize why I definitely don't join when para is on. No point really.
Lots less berating/abusing/bragging with Shak gone, that has frankly improved the environment overall. Being told the best way to play by a mediocre, power hungry hack gets real old real quick. People who follow the letter of the law but not it's spirit annoy me to no end.
Part of Davids point is that large servers just don't encourage skill the way a smaller server does, because you are not as aware of how directly responsible your actions are for how your team has lost. Most people on the forums are, but new players certainly aren't.
SST does seem to have improved though. My complaints notwithstanding, it is definitely a better "large" server than the others, overall. The admins are more responsive (as they always have been) and don't seem to go overboard like they used to.
It's only fun when near full though, otherwise you are just fighting a base.
This sums up my thoughts pretty much to a T.
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don't know, first time I was there I had a ping of 130, and I got banned for racism...
anyway, I'll need the ip of sst before I can join it to see if it has improved -.-' something with my server list fucking up
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Seems that you can get banned for anything in SST.
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|SST| is great, admins there rock. GOOD JOB!
(BTW, hi meow?)
rofl.
SST loses because they have 52 slots. Thanks.
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Well, it had to happen. Best Trem game I've ever played in. A 4v4 on Karith, both teams move: Aliens to the Lift Room near the Door Vent, Humans to the Brown Staircase Room (the small dark one, between the bases). It was actual Tremulous teamplay: communicating the enemy team's actions and movements, sacrificing lives or minutes to keep them busy, working to build, working to attack, to block, to defend, boxing them in, covering alternate entrances to their base, being the correct loadout to complement teammates, making forays together, them attacking us as much as us attacking them, feisty defenders, tricky buiders, players who knew the map and where they should be on it and when, coordinated destruction rushes, rants and goons alternating their attacks to keep lanes clear, little aliens actually wallwalking. It had it all. I think it lasted around half an hour, maybe forty-five minutes. Both teams taking more time to strategize and talk tactics than spam, killwhore or talk smack. Just good, hard, Tremulous. It was on SST, last night, around 12:49 PDT. Hard to believe. Pub server. Last 8 dudes still on. Last round of the night. Everyone on point, just playing the game, no bs, having fun. And it happened at SST. So, OK, at the right time of day, with the right people, any server can be awesome. It what keeps me coming back. :roll: :-? :wink: :D
[AHS]Xiph0s
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|SST| is great, admins there rock. GOOD JOB!
(BTW, hi meow?)
rofl.
SST loses because they have 52 slots. Thanks.
What's the problem with 52 slots, mr.negative?
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|SST| is great, admins there rock. GOOD JOB!
(BTW, hi meow?)
rofl.
SST loses because they have 52 slots. Thanks.
What's the problem with 52 slots, mr.negative?
Way too many, and they're all filled by newbies.
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What's the problem with 52 slots, mr.negative?
Way too many, and they're all filled by newbies.
For once I agree with you.
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I'm still banned because I uber-naded the base 30 seconds before the clock ran out.
Anyone in D*S deserves that...
SST > Dretch Storm
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On SST we try to nade last 10 seconds, that way when the scoreboard comes up after TL hits, people are taking screenshots and talking and such and their whole screen says
:armoury: DESTROYED by TinMan
:turret: DESTROYED by TinMan
:human: killed by TEAMMATE TinMan
:turret: DESTROYED by TinMan
:reactor: DESTROYED by TinMan
:turret: DESTROYED by TinMan
:human: killed by TEAMMATE TinMan
:medstat: DESTROYED by TinMan
:human: killed by TEAMMATE TinMan
:telenode: DESTROYED by TinMan
:tesla: DESTROYED by TinMan
:human: killed by TEAMMATE TinMan
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or that pic that you have of Rawr destroying everything in the garden room in Niveus (i is rawr )
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If I was a SST player, I'd try to hide that from people.
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If I was a SST player, I'd try to hide that from people.
Thats why your the leader of Zilla :wink:
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There is a BIG difference between constructive critism and plain being an ass. And yes, im talking to you smokey, along with anyone else that turns this into a flame thread.
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There is a BIG difference between constructive critism and plain being an ass. And yes, im talking to you smokey, along with anyone else that turns this into a flame thread.
Fuck SST.
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There is a BIG difference between constructive critism and plain being an ass. And yes, im talking to you smokey, along with anyone else that turns this into a flame thread.
Fuck SST.
Right back at ya.
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Hey I don't mind supernading at the end of the game, I don't mind 25 players on a team, I don't mind the admin pulling some devbind or !layout fun move, it keeps it light and funny when you're playing on a big server. Like Tinman & raWr! said, it's llooll funny, and you get great goofy screenies. It's a game, right? ('Sup Tinz? How's Cali, raWr?) Oh, SST. U guyz r nutz. Every structure destroyed and every teammate killed by one player, and 52 chatbots spamming: GG, AFK, G2G, BRB, CYA, GR8!, goaliens, we got D-conned?, L8rDEWDS, u-r-PWNt & etc. Every time some team gets wiped, abandoning cut-and-runners pop off server like ghostly soap bubbles. :roll: :P :eek: :D
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(http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/346/nadeszf4.jpg)
:D
For sst, the only thing I say is when para wants to have "fun" which is fun for him, but not everyone else. By now, everyone should know that bloodydemon is just about the best player in trem, and it just so happens that one of his favorite servers is |SST| :)
There are plenty of skilled players on sst, you just need to be in a good timezone ;)
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(http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/346/nadeszf4.jpg)
:D
For sst, the only thing I say is when para wants to have "fun" which is fun for him, but not everyone else. By now, everyone should know that bloodydemon is just about the best player in trem, and it just so happens that one of his favorite servers is |SST| :)
There are plenty of skilled players on sst, you just need to be in a good timezone ;)
Correction: The Biggest killwhore.
SST is terrible, end.
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(http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/346/nadeszf4.jpg)
:D
For sst, the only thing I say is when para wants to have "fun" which is fun for him, but not everyone else. By now, everyone should know that bloodydemon is just about the best player in trem, and it just so happens that one of his favorite servers is |SST| :)
There are plenty of skilled players on sst, you just need to be in a good timezone ;)
Correction: The Biggest killwhore.
SST is terrible, end.
Smokey is retarted, die.
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Seriously, stop this flame war. Stop flaming Smokey for one of his comments, stop flaming sst because you dont like it, stop flaming each other because they killed you and you were having a bad day. Unless you have something constructive to say (even if it is negative), frame it not as criticism, but as a suggestion.
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Para as the voice of reason. Nice.
But, seriously Smokester, how about a constructive comment or two? Plug your server. Tell us what you think the proper number of players is. Plug a couple servers from competing clans. Give us a list of TremLeague-approved servers. Go ahead, say something useful. You spend a lot of time on Trem. Redirect the misinformed. If SST is such a bad place to learn, please suggest alternatives.
@PlagueBringer & raWr! - lolz 8) :P :eek: :D
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Para as the voice of reason. Nice.
But, seriously Smokester, how about a constructive comment or two? Plug your server. Tell us what you think the proper number of players is. Plug a couple servers from competing clans. Give us a list of TremLeague-approved servers. Go ahead, say something useful. You spend a lot of time on Trem. Redirect the misinformed. If SST is such a bad place to learn, please suggest alternatives.
@PlagueBringer & raWr! - lolz 8) :P :eek: :D
I feel loved :P
You're comments are almost too intellegent and well thought out for me to comprehend!
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You're comments are almost too intellegent and well thought out for me to comprehend!
but at least they still retain the amount of simple english necessary for plague bringer to understand everything. your turning in to a pro by the minute player1
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Oh haha :roll:
On another note, my first sucessfull base nade on |SST|
(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1499/shot0398hy0.jpg)
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A few days ago i head bloody got banned from sst. from someone named PC$Bloodydemon. so yeah, that kindof owns rawrs little statement. And tbh, im pretty sure bloody only plays there because his ping is like 15. I would play on zilla if my ping was 15.
get rid of layout, or get rid of para. and please stop saying "if you spent 2000 dollars a year..." it seems like you have it bound to the w key.
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If someone makes a qvm that has all the share stuff of risujins, minus the old layout and with the new one, i would switch happily.
Oh and noob plox, nice flame against me.
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I give up on this server and it's arrogant admins. First I'm slapped for being in the human base while the admins are having their layout fun. I'm sure they announced it amongst the constant stream of chat the we are expected to watch instead of actually playing, guess I musta missed it. TBO, I thought the reactor was down. It's not enough that I frankly don't trust that layout is used to stop noob builders, as opposed to malicious players, but the whole concept is just asking for admins to cheat. I had launched a goon at their base and died with their DC smoking not long before. I'm not a killwhore like so many, I actually go after the base.
Then I get denybuild for trying to build a hive that would protect these idiot admins from a jetpacker annihilating their base should a lucy take out their defenses surrounding a door (I would, easily). I fucking hive and these arrogant pricks are AGAIN pushing players around. God forbid anyone have any fucking idea what is going on but them.
Why Why Why? Why did I even go there. I should expect no less at this point.
Noone cares, I know.
meh
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Name some admins, what map were you on when you built the hive? Perhaps the admin(s) were right to denybuild you, perhaps it was you that was wrong. Paradox has his fun occasionally, but come on, you can survive Paradox fucking around for one game, can't you? Play there more, get to know the regulars, it really is a great place. |SST| is the only place I've been to that is basically an anti deconner server. If a team gets deconned, Paradox (or any other admin) can simpily revert to the last layout save, no more than five minutes work is ever lost.
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I don't like SST for the admins, especially {S}FLAMINGNOOB or whatever his name is.
{S}ICEYPANCAKES|+| entered the game
OP>Xiane disconnected
Kwazar entered the game
{S}ICEYPANCAKES|+| joined the aliens
|CoM|Deox joined the humans
TheBlackPanther entered the game
TheBlackPanther joined the aliens
|C.Sentry| entered the game
|C.Sentry| joined the humans
|CoM|PWN Quake joined the aliens
|CoM|Deox was killed by TEAMMATE Jipd
Jipd was bitten by {S}ICEYPANCAKES|+|
[A] {S}ICEYPANCAKES|+|: pwnt
(Jipd): Way to walk into it
{S}ICEYPANCAKES|+| was machinegunned by Jipd
[H] Jipd: PWNT NOOB AHAHAH
[A] {S}ICEYPANCAKES|+|: !mute jipd
!mute: Jipd has been muted by {S}ICEYPANCAKES|+|
[H] |CoM|Deox: hey shut up, i got headbitten, you shot me, its nobodys fault
[A] {S}ICEYPANCAKES|+|: mm hmm
|C.Sentry| was bitten by {S}ICEYPANCAKES|+|
30 Minutes later I reconnect so I can talk, I tell Magic that Flamingwaffles is an abusive admin and Flamingwaffles says that I was talking too much shit, he bans me for 2 days for evading the mute. It's a shame that SST has a shitty rep from the admins. Figured confess and Para would learn by now. [Wipe the admins and re-pick(With judgement this time around)]
-Yes I'm Jipd
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Name some admins, what map were you on when you built the hive? Perhaps the admin(s) were right to denybuild you, perhaps it was you that was wrong. Paradox has his fun occasionally, but come on, you can survive Paradox fucking around for one game, can't you? Play there more, get to know the regulars, it really is a great place. |SST| is the only place I've been to that is basically an anti deconner server. If a team gets deconned, Paradox (or any other admin) can simpily revert to the last layout save, no more than five minutes work is ever lost.
give it a REST!!!!!!
I've been through all this crap before!
Give info.
Info given.
thats not enough.
give condump.
condump given.
thats not enough.
give demo.
demo given.
we'll talk to him.
Don't even bother replying like you give a shit. SST admins OBVIOUSLY DON'T. So don't waste my time pretending like they do.
Oh, and revert? This was a 30 second layout!!
Forget it. It's a waste of time.
edit: Oh yeah. I'm gonna play on your server, using an hour of MY time only to have one arrogant admin waste EVERYONE'S time cause he's "having a little fun". You may not have a job, but I do. My down time is NOT all day and is something I value.
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Look. You dont like the server. Thats fine, everyone is allowed an opinion. You can even convince other people of not liking it. But no one is forcing you to play there, and by gods sake, its a game. A fun game, but a GAME. Some lines of code, a few textures, a GAME on a computer.
We dont go flaming you, your server, or your cat.
You dont like sst, play on another server, there are over 100 to choose from.
give it a REST!!!!!!
Take a pill of your own advice.
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Oh and noob plox, nice flame against me.
Its not a flame. If you stopped abusing layout and grenade spamming and bsuiting at s1 and all that shit i would be 100x more happy with SST.
And yeah, a lot of people use stupid binds on sst like [ I OWNED YOUR ASS NOOB ] because they finally killed you. then you say the same thing back 30 sec later when you kill them for the 10th time and they get all pissy.
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the only thing i dont really like is that no matter where i shoot, i hit soemthing (whether it be friendly, foe, or structure). too many people. for somehting of that size, i would say turn FF off.
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but the ff with a server that size and bps lets you train on hitting enemies and not friendlys. think of it as an extra challenge on your way to winning the game. and the other team has the same challenge so you are not alone. its funny to run around a bunch of rants clumped together and watch them tk each other. it be fun
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but the ff with a server that size and bps lets you train on hitting enemies and not friendlys. think of it as an extra challenge on your way to winning the game. and the other team has the same challenge so you are not alone. its funny to run around a bunch of rants clumped together and watch them tk each other. it be fun
pff dont pretend you can dodge.
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Team FFire stops battlegrangers from feeding and lets you cut through blockers (retribution is enabled so you pay them your soul in return for tk)
Structure FFire is used for legit deconning.
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We dont go flaming you, your server, or your cat.
That's because we have good admins, a stable server, and our cats rock twice as much as yours. A flame against any one of those would be foolish.
Fuck SST.
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Actually St. Agner, completely wiping the Staff List was brought up before as a possibility, and then just starting off with Me/Para and the council members. then Xiane and Vald would repick those that they want from the server list.
However, as far as your ban goes...'talking to much shit' isnt a valid reason for a ban. Did you apeal your ban? If you appeal your ban, and its found to be a valid fact...More then likely, not only will it be removed, but that admin will be too. That is the purpose of the council...if someone starts acting like an idiot, you are kept in check..the HoB is supposed to say 'this ban is valid/invalid, ill report it to the HoS (whom is xiane)'; So far, despite the LITTLE practice they've had, its actually doing quite well.
With the addition of TinMan to the council, I hope that it will better improve this also, as hopefully he'd be willing to step up to one of the Hob or Hos positions.
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Did you apeal your ban?
Well I didn't think I would have to if it was done infront of Magic, isn't he a server op?
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bans under 3 days are not usually posted on our forums for everybody to see. so the only people who would have known about this are magic, flaminwaffles, (assuming that is who flamin was), and everyone on at the time.
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The ONLY thing that ever gets me to go into SST anymore is the people I used to know. I had 100 ping, then 60, now 150, and it sucks. It ACTUALLY wouldn't be a problem, save for the fact that there's 260 BPS. Try 160 or something, 260 overloads high pingers' FPS. Too many buildings = More room for newbs to screw up and get banned.
I've actually almost asked admins there to ban me so I don't make the mistake of getting pissed playing there. But that would not be very logical.
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@St. Anger:
No, Magic is not the server OP. Magic "bought" his admin by donating to SST, Meow/Confess+ and TopGun are the owners of SST. Paradox was hired by Meow/Confess to help maintain the server. Then Mario is next in power.
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heh sick with the flu for a week and I miss all the fun *cries*
Anyways seems the biggest complaints are:
Server size - 52 players/260 bps
Personally I agree, there's too many bps for this number of players. It'd be more skillful in my opinion if it was up to the players to designate people to attack and defend. 160 bps seems like a good number, a bit more than default since you do need more spawns with a full load.
Server skill transfer
This issue is just plain newbishness. Yeah the tactics on a 52 player 260 bp server is going to be vastly different than a 16 player 100 bp server. BAse locations and setups are going to be vastly different. But this is not the servers fault. We never claim tactics on sst will win games anywhere else nor will playing on odins server win games on sst.
Friendly Fire
Yes it's annoying being shot to death by your own team or pounced as you evolve into a basilisk and die. However there's more skill involved in ff games than non ff games. Argue this point all you like but the fact is it takes more skill to get into the enemy base while also avoiding your teams suppressive fire than it does getting in cause you can wade in perfectly safe from being TK'd by your teams luci spam.
Admin Abuse
Admins that abuse are dealt with as they are reported and evidence given. Yes in the past tuple that process was slow and usually unfullfilled but since council got active abusing admins HAVE been fired as they have been reported. As for para abusing he uses the same logic as you do tuple. His own free time is limited and thus he takes short cuts from time to time (uber nading things he needs deconned etc) however he has greatly reduced the frequency that he does this. Also more often than not he just fucks around by blowing himself up with this tactic not harming anyone other than the foolish to try and kill him during it. The thing to remember is para is an op and partially incharge of the server, he has every right to fuck around if he chooses. No one save confess has the authority to say he's abusing.
Now this means that yeah sometimes its just not fun to be on sst when para is in fuck around mood. Trust me I understand fully there's times I came on to play and the map is in devmap mode. But I have to re-say it, as op he has the authority to decree a fuck around game. And WILL stop it if the general concensus agrees they want to play normally. If the server is enjoying devmap mod then he'll continue. The only thing we as players (and lesser admins) can really do is wait til his free time is up then play as normal.
Layout abuse
Layout is strictly for the use of repairing decons now. This comes from confess. Anyone using layout for anything else is automatically fired. If someone is using layout extensively and disrupting the game/abusing it to save their team demo it and report it. It WILL be addressed.
However keep in mind layout IS allowed for repairing base decons. When an op/council member is doing such both teams are expected to stay in their own base and NOT take advantage of their invincibility to further destroy the opponents base/get in a position where they can. In such situations players are putteamed to spec or slap killed if they fail to acknowledge the MULTIPLE WARNINGS to stay out of each others bases. If you cannot stay tuned to what is going on in a TEAM GAME go the fuck back to single player games and stop bitching about being required to keep at least a glimmer of knowledge of what's going on with the game around you, especially when something like an obvious layout is occurring.
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Scratch the revoke odins posting rights bit. Didn't notice the link I hit transferred me to the trem forums. Still though the thought remains odin, if yer only here to flame sst get on with your life....
All in all SST is getting better. Yes there will be settings players disagree with. Not every server is a cookie cutter clone of each other, sorry. Some will like it, others will dislike it. But it is headed in a good direction stability wise, staff wise we're cleaning out the abusers where possible, yes there are alot of rules but hey the rules are there for all to see there's no fine print, yeah the settings could use tweaking but that comes in time. SST IS improving. MAybe it's not up to what YOU expect from a server but as mentioned no one is forcing you to play here. There are surely half a dozen servers which better catter to what you want to play as.
Is like trying to decide which is better: Tourney 1v1 or deathmatch 64 players. Some enjoy the former, others enjoy the sheer chaos of the latter. No one has the right to tell each other what the game SHOULD be played at, but you are more than welcome to emphasize what YOU enjoy. Just respect that not everyone is you or has to agree to your definition of what makes the game fun. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It's when you try to cram your PoV down anothers throat that one crosses into the land of being an asshole.
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Server skill transfer
This issue is just plain newbishness. Yeah the tactics on a 52 player 260 bp server is going to be vastly different than a 16 player 100 bp server. BAse locations and setups are going to be vastly different. But this is not the servers fault. We never claim tactics on sst will win games anywhere else nor will playing on odins server win games on sst.
For the record, the complaint that I regularly hear is that new players that start on big servers have a much harder time building up skills that are transferable to a smaller servers. It makes perfect sense too. New players on larger servers are much more easily distracted by the flood of opponents and it takes them longer to realize that they should be attacking the opponents base instead of every dretch in front of them. To me, this is the most reasonable explanation as to why there are so many great killwhores on the large servers who can't seem to win matches. Additionally, more new players pick large, populated servers cause it is frankly not so embarrassing to suck, which every new player does. Playing against a larger population of new players is bound to have an affect on your ability to increase your skill level as opposed to playing against solid teams of skilled players with 1-2 new players per team.
Friendly Fire
Yes it's annoying being shot to death by your own team or pounced as you evolve into a basilisk and die. However there's more skill involved in ff games than non ff games. Argue this point all you like but the fact is it takes more skill to get into the enemy base while also avoiding your teams suppressive fire than it does getting in cause you can wade in perfectly safe from being TK'd by your teams luci spam.
Actually, I would have said that it takes a more skilled team to not shoot you in the back of the head while you are trying to get into the enemy base. Particularly as you cannot see through the back of your head. Wading through lucy spam is the least of my worries, it's the hitscan weapons...
Admin Abuse
As for para abusing he uses the same logic as you do tuple. His own free time is limited and thus he takes short cuts from time to time
however he has greatly reduced the frequency that he does this. Also more often than not he just fucks around by blowing himself up with this tactic not harming anyone other than the foolish to try and kill him during it.
The thing to remember is para is an op and partially incharge of the server, he has every right to fuck around if he chooses.
Now this means that yeah sometimes its just not fun to be on sst when para is in fuck around mood.
Trust me I understand fully there's times I came on to play and the map is in devmap mode.
But I have to re-say it, as op he has the authority to decree a fuck around game.
And WILL stop it if the general concensus agrees they want to play normally.
Layout abuse
Layout is strictly for the use of repairing decons now.
Anyone using layout for anything else is automatically fired.
If someone is using layout extensively and disrupting the game/abusing it to save their team demo it and report it. It WILL be addressed.
Anyone else see how the above selection of quotes are contradictory. For the record, Para and I DO NOT use the same logic. If a game of trem is boring me, I DO NOT cheat and ruin the game for others just because they happen to be on a server that I have the power of doing that on. I go do something that interests me. Additionally, this does not just happen in matches that are in devmap or announced as fucking off matches.
What is the point of reporting admin abuse anywhere if it is coming from the top down?
A large number of people do not like SST because they have had numerous bad experiences there, particularly with admins. Any server operator has any right to do whatever the hell they want on their server, but they sure as hell better stop complaining when players vent on any forum when the servers enforcement of their own stated rules are inconsistent, and when the operators cannot, with some degree of honesty, guarantee a fair game. Can I cheat at chess if it's my chess set and my game? Sure. Can I complain about your flaming me for doing it? Sure, I can try. Can I wonder why people complain and don't play chess with me anymore? All day long.
Incidently, I believe that St. Anger's point was, if an admin does something that is wrong in front of an OP, regardless of how that individual is an OP, shouldn't the OP stop it?
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I hardly ever play on SST just because of the 260 bps. It just isn't the kind of game I want to play. Never mind that last time I went the server was full of people screaming 'I pwnd u noob' every 2 seconds.
Although I can see why some people like it.
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Well going to a large server first won't teach you anything about playing on a small server I can fully agree tuple. I started out on a small server before nesting on sst myself and glad for it, getting use to depending upon your own skills instead of insane amounts of structures helps out in a pinch with so many bad builders 260 bps seems to attract ;)
But I restate the obvious, it's not the servers fault people can be utter noobs and think the tactics of a large server with larger bps can translate to a smaller server with default bps. They each have their own skill sets. But on another point I do agree, sst does attract alot of kill whores, those players that think they're good cause they can rack up tons of kills but can't assault an enemy base to save their lives. Every team game has these idiots, it's a sad truth about online play. :)
As for having a more skilled team that can aim well I agree that's always helpful but the team can't (and usually won't) learn to aim around teammates with ff off. The average mentality on a ff off server is to lay waste to the entire area since the only things you can hurt are yourself or the enemy. FF on forces a team to get with the program or their team doesn't suffer them very long.
And same mentality in the fact you are looking for fun in your limited free time, nothing beyond that. But as restated Para has been talked to about it and he has cut back from how much he use to abuse. And yes I do know he tends to use his abilities during regular games, or what people think are regular games from time to time, it's nowhere near as frequent as it once was.
As for the rest of the admins, I'm head of staff over there now, if the regular admins give you trouble give me a shout and I'll look into it. But for the record the OP tag a number of us wear over there does not mean server operator. The only operators are confess (meow) and paradox. The other "ops" are the council, most of us have assigned posts (ie me Head of staff, mario head of council, rawr head of the forums/website, magic is head of bans etc).
For most it's just a tag so the actual ops can address any council members on the server together about server business.