Tremulous Forum
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: khalsa on April 06, 2007, 04:27:57 pm
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Dear Fellow Tremulous Forum Users,
Recently the tremulous forums have degraded significantly, and this degradation hurts everyone. Old faithful tremulous users are being pushed away, only to be replaced by spam, insults, and vulgarities.
See more of MY personal opinion on the community’s state of affairs here: http://mercenariesguild.net/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=the-tremulous-community-is-going-down-hill.html&Itemid=64
The tremulous devs have basically stated they don’t care much about the state of the forums. The Community Moderators (http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/groupcp.php?g=2017) either are inactive, don’t care, or Abuse (http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4190) their powers.
To combat this, a few of use were discussing on IRC what we could possibly do. Lava Croft and I have agreed that the only way to wrest control of the forums back into the communities hand is to force the Devs to take back some control.
To this end we have come up with the following "Standard" reply to all the idiotic, spammy, and useless posts. Just Copy/Paste the following as a reply with no other modification and additions. By doing so you agree that
1: You acknowledge the lack of moderators.
2: You acknowledge that many of your fellow Tremulous players are retarded and their posts don't deserve to survive.
3: You are sick of it.
Join us in our movement of solidarity!
See the following post by Lava for the appropriate thing to paste.
Khalsa
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Basically, we want everybody who supports what Khalsa and I are trying to accomplish to post the following, and only the following reply:
We demand moderation!
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Agreed, though I'm not going to spam something to filter spam unless it's worth spamming.
Though I can add it to my sig. :D
PMFPFM
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I think this will be good, so long as people don't abuse it.
As soon as it starts appearing on ligitimate requests for help, all its meaning is lost.
maybe the small print shouldn't be so small...
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We demand moderation!
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@Khalsa & LC, I concur.
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What's the policy on posting it lots of times?
Everyone posting it in the same thread would be spammy, but people will want to show there support for the cause....
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I agree that the community I joined year ago has turned upside down.
I belive it's the popularity of the game that gets idiots to find this game and idioticy spreads like palgue (no offence to the nick user ment). people get anoyed and pissed of insults and bad behavour and start spreading same diciese.
Why not start a clan or w/e That directs new players etc. So basicly for reason that if new player states that he/she needs help people can direct him to ask one of "newb helpers clan" members.
We demand moderation!
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Forums, community up side down? Huh? I think you guys are overexaggerating.
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^3we ^1demand ^3moderation
EDIT: la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la
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To this end we have come up with the following "Standard" reply to all the idiotic, spammy, and useless posts. Just Copy/Paste the following as a reply with no other modification and additions.
If this works, I propose we all put an end to littering by tossing some trash in the street!
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To this end we have come up with the following "Standard" reply to all the idiotic, spammy, and useless posts. Just Copy/Paste the following as a reply with no other modification and additions.
If this works, I propose we all put an end to littering by tossing some trash in the street!
You do something stupid as that? Shame on you!
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You want moderation? Maybe we could lock that thread for example :)
Seriously, what is the problem with the forums anyway? If we exclude Off Topic, the rest of the forum is relatively calm. Maybe too calm indeed but nothing that Trem 1.2.0 won't solve.
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Added it to my sig.
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Recently the tremulous forums have degraded significantly, and this degradation hurts everyone. Old faithful tremulous users are being pushed away, only to be replaced by spam, insults, and vulgarities.
Khalsa
Agreed, and I have stated this several times in the past and why my participation has dwindled. It is a shame that such a great effort at developing one of the best multi-platform free games is degraded by such a poorly controlled forum. It is THE worst forum I have ever participated in. Very poorly moderated, but from what I have read, this is supported by Timbo's wishes. Unfortunately, my enjoyment of the game and efforts to support it keep bringing back.
Flaming the morons that think spamming every topic at once is their major accomplishment in life will never accomplish anything. Proper moderation seems to be the only solution.
I hope something can be done.
Diggs
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Why not start a clan or w/e That directs new players etc. So basicly for reason that if new player states that he/she needs help people can direct him to ask one of "newb helpers clan" members.
We demand moderation!
}MG{ Mercinaries Guild
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Devs:
Timbo {takes care of the worst}
Catalyc {last post mar 29th, irregular visitor it seems}
DASPRiD {takes care of the worst/most active dev award?}
dolby {last post august 25th, consider inactive}
Godmil {last post may 8th, 2006, consider inactive}
Jex {last post feb 15th, irregular visitor it seems}
Norfenstein {pretty frequent, don't know about adminning, takes care of the worst}
OverFlow {last post mar 30th, don't know about adminning}
Satannum {last post feb 26th, irregular visitor it seems}
tjw {pretty active, adminning unknown}
Veda {last post jan 10th, 2004, consider really inactive}
Who {who? lava croft hommage, inactive}
Community Moderators
Basilisco {seems to be doing his work}
Paradox {occasional miss}
PIE {last post january 26th}
Stof {seems to be doing his job}
[db@]Megabite {inactive due to work, last post nov 26th}
So if we count the dev team out of adminning the regular stuff we went from 5 to 3 at most. Also the powers these mods have seem to be the regular edit, move, lock stuff. No spammer or flamer is truly afraid of that. Perhaps appoint 2 new mods and give them temporary ban (1 week max) privilige?
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I was going to post about "childish vigilantism" and how organized leading by example might be better, but reading Diggs's post makes me think I'm not actually qualified to judge. I don't really spend much time here and the forums kind of are just for the community (and from my point of view they don't look much worse than Gloom's forums, which were really the only forum hangout I've had). So the question is, who here is actually qualified to be a moderator? I may not post here a lot, but I would absolutely not tolerate someone with an attitude like Henners's (OBJECTION) being in charge. Lava Croft too, no offense, but you are the most inflammatory person I know. A moderator should be temperate, mature, and magnanimous. A moderator should not be someone who wants power, but has to be someone that cares enough to use it and use it appropriately.
And there are several things that could be done to the actual forum to make things better. I know some were/are in the pipeline, but I'm not up to date.
Also, thinking about, I'm a little touched so many people seem to care.
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meh, when I joined the tremulous forums it was when the flames were everywhere.
We demand moderation!
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Just to point it out in public, I do not want to be a moderator at all, I just want moderators to do the job their colored nickname suggests they should do.
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Timbo has said that less moderation is more, so we try to only get the really pointless threads, the spam, and the flame wars, but we dont know what there should be done. If a formal set of rules were to be set up, such as no necro, no spam, no useless posts, etc, then it would make moderation a bit easier.
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I agree.
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I agree.
Don't we have enouth noob plox users yet? :evil:
I have nothing against the original. But stealing other users names is eeevil. Proof: http://tinyurl.com/23wjo4
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No.
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No.
You too. Be happy I can't ban or lock accounts.
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We are the original.
I have the logs. Logs are the truth, logs do not lie.
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Have your fun, but not in serious topics please.
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We demand MACERATION!
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Can we smoosh his post?
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say no to moderation
get your freedom back
and be as free as free-Iraq
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<3 vcx lmao. and pl0xposters, you guys just cant spam like the original.
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Are you serious... MG powering up their propaganda machine again, cool.
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Are you serious... MG powering up their propaganda machine again, cool.
wha?
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My two cents can be summed up as: meh
Better an active forum than a dead one, yea lots of silly posts but its nothing to get upset over.
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See, without having to do much, the people responsible for ruining the forums will show themselves.
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Instead of simply stating 'we demand moderation', perhaps the best solution would be to CREATE a solution. With that in mind, I am willing to offer my time and effort to moderate the forums.
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http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4212
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Solution suggested, including an example of why the solution is needed.
http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4208&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
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Yeah, um, er, sorry about that.
Perhaps I got a bit, er, carried away...
It wasnt a valid point anyway.
Sorry.
Dont worry, tomorrow I wont be doing any of this n00b pl0x copying any more.
I hope the others will follow suit.
I AM VERY SORRY.
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You say sorry, and you you keep doing it?
Get some balls and take responsibility for your actions, or fuck off and never come back.
How old are you anyway?
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How about self moderation. What the forum needs is a mod up/down flaggins system to weed out all the fuckwads.
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he took responsibility. he said he was sorry. he didnt say he would stop doing it. what does that have to do with balls?
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It may amaze you, but sorry does have a meaning!
It means 'I feel sorrow and regret about what I did'
Were this the case he would not do it again.
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Guys, he HAS stopped!
He had an ACCOMPLACE, remember?
And besides, you guys grow up.
This whole thing made my day, it was really fun, and one day someone's going to look back on this and laugh!
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Well said, Brother.
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wow
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GTFO the forum kids. You children need to be told when to stop every single time.
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If I had my way, you would be blocked from the master server already.
Are you really that petty and and insignificant that you have to cause hassle and greif to countless others just to feel good about your self?
Are you really so insecure that you have to be the center of attention all the time?
Start acting your age, you are not funny, and your not worth the air you contaminate.
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Right ppl.
The last spam post I made was with n00b pl0x.
In fact, he was my only spam account.
As for the rest, I have no idea.
Most of them were made after I made mine, had my joke and stopped, then opther ppl have copied.
It was just a small joke to start with. I admit, I went a bit overboard.
Now other have copied me, and maybe its my fault I introduced them to the idea. I'll take the fault. Its probably my fault anyway.
However, you can check the ips of all these spam charas, and ull see I only had the one.
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I stopped ages ago.
Flame me all you like, I think I deserve it.
And if you decide to ban/kick me, do me a favor and destroy the spam accounts as well.
Just dont block me from the Trem Master Server so I cant play.
Then that would be too harsh.
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It was me and shadow.
We DID take it to far, but I think it was worth it, it was fun, but it was also hard work.
Managing three accounts plus my own is hard, and I had to spam gmail with random adresses to create all the forum accounts.
Is it possible to hard code an anti-flood for account creation into the forum? Perhaps limiting to 3 accounts per computer, or one new account every so-and-so months?
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If I had my way, you would be blocked from the master server already.
Are you really that petty and and insignificant that you have to cause hassle and greif to countless others just to feel good about your self?
People get griefed and hassled by this joke?
Thats overexageration.
Annoyed yes.
Bloody Well Pissed Off yes.
But griefed?
David, yes, you can be right to be angry with me. But it was just innocent fun, and if you over react like that, well, that'd be just too far.
Im the one who took it too far here.
Dont make yourself another person who took it too far.
And btw, this has only been for tonight.
Cant you just accept one nights joke?
I wont spam again (actually that depends what spam is, half the things ppl do today would be counted as spam by other ppl).
Be angry, not spiteful.
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Yeah, we ARE sorry.
We thought ppl would just take it as a joke, but obviously not.
However, this is just having a laugh basically.
Weve stopped now, wether other ppl have, we are not sure.
However, I started this, then I asked Plague if he would help me, he accepted.
I talked him into it.
Im at fault.
Plague just played along with me.
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people like sleek and david make me want to spam.
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Then they would flame you like they flame me.
But at least they have a reason.
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I was going to make a second n00b pl0x account before you contacted me.
It was my decision and my fault I got into this, we're both equally at fault, even though I had about 6 extra accounts and you only had one ;)
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Sorry for getting you into this Sh!t Plague.
It wasnt actually his fault really, I persuaded him to join me.
My bad.
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I was going to make a second n00b pl0x account before you contacted me.
It was my decision and my fault I got into this, we're both equally at fault, even though I had about 6 extra accounts and you only had one ;)
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Oh, didnt know that bit.
Ok, were equal now.
Time to get the thorough flaming we may deserve.
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Atleast we dont do this every night. One time thing, never again....except next april fools day.
I'm going to wear the [np] tag in memory of this event, proudly. I have no regrets about doing what I did, and I don't think I should.
Grow up, take a joke. It was all in good fun, and if you're too serious to notice that, perhaps you shouldnt be here.
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I stand with Plague, time to go add that tag in fond memory of this years late april fools.
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By the way, you all are still way off topic.
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Damn, hes right you know.
Delete my posts please, or move them to a topic in off-topic called ShadowNinjaDudeMan grovels for mercy, or summin l.ike that, or make it a sticky, so everyone can laugh at me.
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We demand moderation!
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I joined the community EXACTLY a year ago..
It was fun back then, i loved reading the forums or playing a bit on the (i think) 20/30ish servers online.(full/empty filtered out).
I joined MG a bit later, back then; the nicest and friendliest clan i could find.
I stopped playing in September and started again yesterday.
Immediately, i discovered that there were a lot more servers online and a lot more idiots too.
In 10 games i've played on diff. servers, 8 were filled with spammers and the typical 10year olds.
I truly hope the community doesn't deteriorate more..
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I hope im not included, although I have a feeling I am.
Ok, we might as well have more mods.
We demand Moderation, happy?
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Thank you children for more than proving the point of this thread. No one could have it made it any clearer than you.
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Children??
U UPSET ME!!
(http://fridge.ubuntu.com/files/no-pony-for-you.jpg)
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i like how people always think age matters.
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It stopped because i deleted their spam posts.
As for OMG PONIEZ and what not, get back on topic in the next 3 posts, or this is locked.
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It stopped because i deleted their spam posts.
As for OMG PONIEZ and what not, get back on topic in the next 3 posts, or this is locked.
Perhaps just move where the spammy posts start off into an off-topic thread?
How about self moderation. What the forum needs is a mod up/down flaggins system to weed out all the fuckwads.
I've been suggesting this for a short while myself in #tremulous. Peer review works so long as you have checking mechanisms in place to prevent automated peer reviews and groupings (Ala Digg).
An (regrettably old) example is here -> http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=46456&start=0
So in closing;
We demand peer rating moderation!
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We demand circumcision!
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We demand circumcision!
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you're not funny at all.
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We demand circumcision!
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you're not funny at all.
Posting "We Demand Moderation" in every thread that you think is slightly annoying is funny.