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Community => Off Topic => Topic started by: Seldom on April 16, 2007, 08:54:37 pm
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Early this morning, a gunman entered a dorm and shot multiple people. No school lockdown was initiated. Two hours later the gunman shot 20 more people.
The current toll is 32 people killed including the gunman. He carried two 5 mm pistols and a bullet proof vest. It is unclear whether he was killed by police or by himself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_Shootings
Victim Interview : http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=67f_1176750363&p=1
Video of shots being fired : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HNrBd4kKMg
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070416/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting : News Story
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Early this morning, a gunman entered a dorm and shot multiple people. No school lockdown was initiated. Two hours later the gunman shot 20 more people.
The current toll is 32 people killed including the gunman. He carried two 5 mm pistols and a bullet proof vest. It is unclear whether he was killed by police or by himself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_Shootings
Victim Interview : http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=67f_1176750363&p=1
Video of shots being fired : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HNrBd4kKMg
Dude, I heard about that! Sucks pretty bad, huh?
(didn't know 32 got killed tho, last I heard it was only 24 ppl confirmed.)
Thanx for the update.
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Thats bad man. Was he in one of those religious sects who want to bring the end or the world now?
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Its unclear, but apparently he came into the dorm looking for his girlfriend. There have been numerous bomb threats in the previous week.
Unsure, but apparently Tremma from Tremulous goes to Virginia Tech.
:(
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Well lets hope he wasn't one of the victims.. :/
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Here's the story from Comcast.Net
http://www.comcast.net/news/index.jsp?cat=GENERAL&fn=/2007/04/16/638092.html
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Update.
33 people confirmed dead, 15 injured.
The shooter took his own life.
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Update.
33 people confirmed dead, 15 injured.
The shooter took his own life.
Was the shooter number 33? Or is he not included in the total?
What's the status of the injured... are any of their injuries potentially fatal?
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33 people killed including the shooter.
Unsure on injured status.
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K thanks.
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ugh, just the way to brighten my day...
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This is so sick!! Cannot even think this thing through, who would do something like this....
Requiescat in Pace
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:/
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tremma is still alive.
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tremma is still alive.
Thank god, if Tremma had died Tremulous would be 2x more boring.
-Yahoo would probably go in shock hearing Tremma's death and kill himself (Emo-Style).
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This incident only hardens my philosophy that we all should live each day to the fullest cause it just might be your last. think about it.
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This incident only hardens my philosophy that we all should live each day to the fullest cause it just might be your last. think about it.
You'll probably end up being that drunk, broke, crazy old man at the corner of the street.
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there should be 32 on killcount
-1 for selfownage (AsianGunman irritated himself)
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Asian gunman kills 33 people, 28 injured. Kills himself
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there should be 32 on killcount
-1 for selfownage (AsianGunman irritated himself)
Not fucking funny. This isn't a game, this guy actually killed people.
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Be serious, this is real human lives being taken. I live the US and it freaks me out every time I hear about a killing spree like that...like the one with the milk delivery guy shooting all those ahmish kids. That one was a little closer. I hope everyone realizes that Trem is just a game, and shooting real people is a lot different and a lot worse.
Don't mean to sound like your mom, but still...
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Floodbud
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Identified the killer now, he was an english major. Undergrad.
He was always a loner and refused to talk to people. At the beginning of a class semester, everyone signed in on a sheet. When it was his turn he wrote a question mark.
He spoke very little and is known to have stalked women and set part of his dorm on fire. Classmates say he was the stereotypical school shooter.
Two of the plays he wrote have been uploaded to the web. Very weird and odd. Nsfw possibly.
His main characters name is Dick Mcbeef.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0417071vtech1.html
The same gun was used in the two shootings, but they did not confirm that this guy did both.
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there should be 32 on killcount
-1 for selfownage (AsianGunman irritated himself)
they were all TK so he had -32 kills. and god kicked him for TK and team bleeding
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The same gun was used in the two shootings, but they did not confirm that this guy did both.
he used 2 guns i thought
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they were all TK so he had -32 kills. and god kicked him for TK and team bleeding
u may have right
he should get ban
(ip anybody?)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0417071vtech1.html
what do u think who could play in this?
i see it like this:
richard diggs
john nitrox
sue spam bringer
dead dad sleekslacker
btw
does Cho Seung-Hui mean -"i will kill yo all with 2 guns"?
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He did use two guns in the second shooting. They know that one of those guns was also used in the first.
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I have to say that sucks, How come there wasnt a lockdown? Is that answered yet?
If you think about it, these types of situations make me wish most people carried a gun. He wouldnt have goten as far I think. I think people on the whole are more good than bad, but these days we have such strict gun policies its harder for a good person to get a gun than a bad one.
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Its not hard at all for ANYONE to get a gun in virginia.
You need to be a legal resident and cant have any felonies. Then you just show the vendor your proof of residence and you are set.
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if everyone carried guns, there woul fbe a lot more accidents methinks.
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if everyone carried guns, there woul fbe a lot more accidents methinks.
Mabey, but if that guy walked into the school and started shooting people, he might have got 3~4 before someone else shot him, instead of 32 then shooting himself.
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i think accidents from everyone (everyone responsible an dof age of course) carrying guns would total to well over 33.
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If you think about it, these types of situations make me wish most people carried a gun.
silly egotistical idea. Really, even if some hero had shot down the killer before he got them, in the long run more guns means more gun crime. You only ever hear of things like this happening in the us, because in sane countries its much more difficult to get hold of guns.
As for the argument "crazy people will always find a way to massacre people" that is probably true, but it is also true that the harder it is for them to do that the less likely it is to happen.
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The fact is that making it harder for someone to legally buy a gun for legitimate, non-harmful purposes (assuming there are any) does not make it harder for someone to acquire a gun illegally.
But, of course, bombs are more dangerous than guns. The concerning thing is that you can buy all of the components to make an effective explosive device at any hardware store. It may cost less money overall, there's the potential to kill more people, and the attacker doesn't have to be anywhere nearby when it happens. The attacker's name would never get on any list of gun owners, s/he wouldn't have to wait X number of days but could start immediately, and s/he can still buy all of the components whether s/he's been to prison before or not.
The irony is that, of all the people wanting to kill a bunch of other people, people tend to prefer guns. (Maybe that's a good thing.)
Thinking of the specific situation, the university and involved law enforcement did not handle the situation well. Two people were killed and they assumed the attacker had left or was one of the dead. Presumably, he took a leisurely stroll across campus (half a mile in 2 hours is pretty leisurely) before killing more. Not only was the law enforcement ineffective, but the university didn't bother to tell anyone what was going on until 2 hours after the first killings, when it was already too late.
You also have the fact that, according to the media, people were concerned about the guy. According to one source, he was just your typical homicidal maniac (paraphrased, of course). Apparently, the fact that he never talked to anyone (saying a few evasive words is not talking) wasn't concerning enough.
You get the idea that maybe someone screwed up with this kid beyond the point where "more gun control" would do a damned thing. (And of course "more gun control" is kind of late now. The people are already dead.)
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If everyone carried guns, can you imagine what kind of paranoid society we would have? It's not a society I would ever hope to belong too. Guns are bad, and as Gareth pointed out, gun crimes in the US, where buying guns is legal, is far worse than countries that have made buying/selling guns illegal.
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Vector_Matt: Agree.
Guns are banned in Virginia Tech.
Cho Seung-Hui shot 31 unarmed people - if guns wasn't banned, anybody would could shot Cho and save own life.
If guns was banned in whole U.S. , there would be no problem to buy weapon anyway ( on black market or sth ).
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If you think about it, these types of situations make me wish most people carried a gun.
silly egotistical idea. Really, even if some hero had shot down the killer before he got them, in the long run more guns means more gun crime. You only ever hear of things like this happening in the us, because in sane countries its much more difficult to get hold of guns.
As for the argument "crazy people will always find a way to massacre people" that is probably true, but it is also true that the harder it is for them to do that the less likely it is to happen.
...Saner countries? You mean like in the middle east where children are born with AK-47's grafted to their arm?
Or were you referring to Switzerland, who was too pussy to take sides in World War I - II?
Speaking of World Wars, who saved Europe's ass both times? Ohhhhhhh yeah... that would be the United States of America.
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If you think about it, these types of situations make me wish most people carried a gun.
silly egotistical idea. Really, even if some hero had shot down the killer before he got them, in the long run more guns means more gun crime. You only ever hear of things like this happening in the us, because in sane countries its much more difficult to get hold of guns.
As for the argument "crazy people will always find a way to massacre people" that is probably true, but it is also true that the harder it is for them to do that the less likely it is to happen.
Look, you ignorant knuckle-dragger. Do criminals follow laws? Simple answer: No. Do law-abiding citizens follow laws? By their very nature, the answer is: Yes. So when the government passes a law saying no guns, who will actually turn in their guns? Using the simplified answers before, try to follow me. Who will follow the laws saying no guns? The law abiding citizens. Which leaves whom with ALL OF THE FREAKIN' WEAPONS? The criminals, who ALREADY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH MURDERING PEOPLE TO GET WHAT THEY WANT. Now look, genius, all the "bad guys" have guns, and none of the "good guys" have any guns, except for an understaffed police force, who can't be everywhere at once. So how do you think that's going to turn out? Think before you speak, you stupid son-of-a-whore. Disarming innocent civilians so that they are incapable of defending themselves against those who have no scruples is just like killing the people yourself.
Oh, and "saner countries"? Did you forget that Britain banned almost every form of weapon from their country? Their crime rate has skyrocketed past ours in EVERY SINGLE AREA since the ban, except murder, and that rate is rapidly catching up with ours. The places with the highest crime rates (D.C., New York, etc.) are the places where carrying guns is banned, and carrying knives longer than three inches is taboo. What do you tell the 5'5, 100 lb girl who's about to be raped by the 6'4, 225 lb man at gunpoint, when your stupid law is the reason she can't whip out her .357 magnum and save her life and chastity? Give me one GOOD reason why weapons shouldn't be banned. Tell me what you are going to say to this girl.
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Authorities now have reason to believe that in the 2 hour gap between shootings, the shooter went back to his dormitory, posted on his website/myspace/whatever he used for communication "I'm gonna kill a bunch of people at Virginia Tech today." and signed off.
Scary, huh? I would feel very guilty if I had read that message before the second shooting. Wouldn't you?
-Bull
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Yeah. Man, that sucks. Crazy people.
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I heard...And was freaked out. This fuckin' man killed his own classmates! But teh professor gave his life to let the kids out the window...They call him their hero.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yp9KMfTR9k
Did that help anybody understand the seriousness?
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Post any kind of sad face here from this forum or any other, this is the worst tragedy since 9/11.
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I heard...And was freaked out. This fuckin' man killed his own classmates! But teh professor gave his life to let the kids out the window...They call him their hero.
Post any kind of sad face here from this forum or any other, this is the worst tragedy since 9/11.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/04/18/iraq.main/index.html
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I heard...And was freaked out. This fuckin' man killed his own classmates! But teh professor gave his life to let the kids out the window...They call him their hero.
Post any kind of sad face here from this forum or any other, this is the worst tragedy since 9/11.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/04/18/iraq.main/index.html
I meant in America. :cry:
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Authorities now have reason to believe that in the 2 hour gap between shootings, the shooter went back to his dormitory, posted on his website/myspace/whatever he used for communication "I'm gonna kill a bunch of people at Virginia Tech today." and signed off.
Scary, huh? I would feel very guilty if I had read that message before the second shooting. Wouldn't you?
-Bull
Um, bull. No. First off, link wherever you heard that.
1. They still havent confirmed he did both shootings
2. He never talked. He doesnt have a second life on the internet. I highly doubt an intraverted, solitary person would have a myspace.
Someone please delete Menaces smiley post.
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Speaking of World Wars, who saved Europe's ass both times? Ohhhhhhh yeah... that would be the United States of America.
Speaking of World Wars, who was too scared to get involved until the war was won? Oh yeah, the United States of Wimps.
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Take your post to Anasi's thread.
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USSR won ( mostly ) Second World War, and America just defended itself.
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Damn guys I didnt mean to start a flame war. Anyone who has read any U.S. History knows when you make something illeagle it just goes black market. Ever hear of prohibition, they tried banning alcohal and it just opened up a huge black market for it. This may not be true elsewhere but it is here. I know C.S.I(the show) wants us all to believe that everyone who does a shooting uses a registered hand gun. This is bullshit.
The thing about gun control tho is even if its easier to get one, We would have to change our views about guns from being killing instruments into being more defensive before average people would start getting them. Right now it is almost taboo for a normal person to own a gun, unless they hunt or are in law inforcement.
Also if no guns are allowed on campus, Shouldnt they inforce this?
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Breaking:
Between the two hour window of the first and second attacks, Cho sent a package to the NBC News network. The package was turned over to the police.
It contained letters of him rambling about getting even with rich people. Also contained a video of him brandishing several weapons.
Tune into NBC news tonight where they will show most of what was sent to them. Nothing else has been revealed about this.
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Look, you ignorant knuckle-dragger. Do criminals follow laws? Simple answer: No. Do law-abiding citizens follow laws? By their very nature, the answer is: Yes. So when the government passes a law saying no guns, who will actually turn in their guns? Using the simplified answers before, try to follow me. Who will follow the laws saying no guns? The law abiding citizens. Which leaves whom with ALL OF THE FREAKIN' WEAPONS? The criminals, who ALREADY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH MURDERING PEOPLE TO GET WHAT THEY WANT. Now look, genius, all the "bad guys" have guns, and none of the "good guys" have any guns, except for an understaffed police force, who can't be everywhere at once. So how do you think that's going to turn out? Think before you speak, you stupid son-of-a-whore. Disarming innocent civilians so that they are incapable of defending themselves against those who have no scruples is just like killing the people yourself.
Oh, and "saner countries"? Did you forget that Britain banned almost every form of weapon from their country? Their crime rate has skyrocketed past ours in EVERY SINGLE AREA since the ban, except murder, and that rate is rapidly catching up with ours. The places with the highest crime rates (D.C., New York, etc.) are the places where carrying guns is banned, and carrying knives longer than three inches is taboo. What do you tell the 5'5, 100 lb girl who's about to be raped by the 6'4, 225 lb man at gunpoint, when your stupid law is the reason she can't whip out her .357 magnum and save her life and chastity? Give me one GOOD reason why weapons shouldn't be banned. Tell me what you are going to say to this girl.
you are entitled to your opinions, bu tthere is no need to start insulting him just because you don't agree with him. i might have taken your post more seriously if you had not been bashing him.
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Speaking of World Wars, who saved Europe's ass both times? Ohhhhhhh yeah... that would be the United States of America.
Speaking of World Wars, who was too scared to get involved until the war was won? Oh yeah, the United States of Wimps.
Oh yes, Britain was dealing with the situation handily... They came how close to being bombed off the face of the earth before we showed up and started giving the German's an actual fight?
USSR won ( mostly ) Second World War, and America just defended itself.
Right, we were definitely facing largescale German and Japanese invasions on our mainland. Mhmm.
No, as I recall we sold Britain 3/4ths of their weapons and tanks, chased/napalmed the Japanese halfway across the world, and stormed the beaches of France to give the pussy Englishmen an actual foothold to fight back from.
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Go read a history book.
You might need to learn to read first though, not sure how many adult books get made into abridged audio books.
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David, what's with the flames, is that, like, your career path; asshole?
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Go read a history book.
You might need to learn to read first though, not sure how many adult books get made into abridged audio books.
Oh, you know all about adult books, don't you....? :P
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Speaking of World Wars, who saved Europe's ass both times? Ohhhhhhh yeah... that would be the United States of America.
Speaking of World Wars, who was too scared to get involved until the war was won? Oh yeah, the United States of Wimps.
Oh yes, Britain was dealing with the situation handily... They came how close to being bombed off the face of the earth before we showed up and started giving the German's an actual fight?
USSR won ( mostly ) Second World War, and America just defended itself.
Right, we were definitely facing largescale German and Japanese invasions on our mainland. Mhmm.
No, as I recall we sold Britain 3/4ths of their weapons and tanks, chased/napalmed the Japanese halfway across the world, and stormed the beaches of France to give the pussy Englishmen an actual foothold to fight back from.
Actually, the US played no role in the defense of Britain. The Battle of Britain, the battle over the fate of Britain, was fought with Canadian and British pilots against German aircraft invasions. As for dishing the British.. wtf? The British did far more for the benefit of the Allies that America did by many multitudes.
David, what's with the flames, is that, like, your career path; asshole?
What's yours, Trem forums resident spammer/originator of irrelevent replies?
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Godwin's Law... we're almost there. I give it another few hours.
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Godwin's Law... we're almost there. I give it another few hours.
Hitler sucks.
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:roll: Stay on topic this is supposed to be a serious thread :roll:
[offtopic] Kobrakaine: americas involvement in ww2 wasn't that black and white. I am no expert on the matter and this is not the right place for such a conversation. As david pointed out there are many books on the subject which you should probably take a look at before drawing conclusions. [offtopic]
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Stay on topic this is supposed to be a serious thread
Thanks for the nudge, I was waaaay off topic. :oops:
Can't blame me for defending my country tho. (What the hell kind of history books do you guys have over in Europe, anyway? Must've been written by monks on crack, or something...)
Sorry, just had to throw in that last dig. :)
So Seldom, any more news on the people who got wounded by the gunman? Are they all still alive? I had heard the media was going after the guy's family pretty hard... that's gotta suck, cuz I doubt they had anything to do with his rampage.
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http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/04/17/injured-shooting.html
Gives conditions of the wounded.
The Media is going to hound that family to death about details of Cho's life, childhood, upbringing, interests, etc.
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http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/04/17/injured-shooting.html
Gives conditions of the wounded.
The Media is going to hound that family to death about details of Cho's life, childhood, upbringing, interests, etc.
Hopefully they leave it there. I'm definitely going to be pissed if they harass his family...
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this is a very sad time for those students. makes me sad that 1 person could do such a horrid thing. :(
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it's also very sad that this killer is korean...
bad reputation for koreans folks :(
stupid dumbass...
he also had a fight with his girlfriend. That's probably the main reason he shot people.
and there was a girl who pretended to be dead when he started shooting in the hallway, so she survived. Smart girl.
and also some students jumped outside the windows. smart
and also a class locked the door with desks and the shooter just started to randomly shoot into the door. No one died in the classroom though, smart.
and a lot of proffessors died. Sad.
and his girlfriend was shot. sad.
and I am tired of you idiots keep going "omg he is going to get banned. What's his IP address?" STFU this is serious
I'm also confused how the americans see this day as "serously serious" when millions of iraquins are dying everyday at war...
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This incident only hardens my philosophy that we all should live each day to the fullest cause it just might be your last. think about it.
You'll probably end up being that drunk, broke, crazy old man at the corner of the street.
Hey retard I was tring to be deep and meaning full. I was tring to make some hope and healing out of this situation not provide you with some two bit joke. So take your imaturity and go shove it!!!!!!!!
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I heard that one of the proffesers held himself against a door so the gunnman couldnt get in while the students escaped, the gunnman shot through the door and killed him and he was a holacaust serviver
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I heard that one of the proffesers held himself against a door so the gunnman couldnt get in while the students escaped, the gunnman shot through the door and killed him and he was a holacaust serviver
what a hero
the shooter also didn't pick which people to kill like other school shooting incidents, he just randomly killed anyone he saw.
I also saw a person taping from far away with his/her cellphone. There were still a lot of people outside though.
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Um, holy. I have never heard of a school shooting in which the killer chose what people to kill. Columbine killers just shot randomly as did Whitman.
There has been no mention whatsoever of a girlfriend.
HE NEVER TALKS. I doubt he would have had a girlfriend in the first place.
He snapped most likely of his depression or some mental disorder. He hated rich kids ands never mentioned a girlfriend in any of his tapes/letters.
Stop spreading rumors >.>
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I heard that one of the proffesers held himself against a door so the gunnman couldnt get in while the students escaped, the gunnman shot through the door and killed him and he was a holacaust serviver
what a hero.
His name was Liviu Librescu. He was a hero. Another thing:
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/lilwildcatbj/Journals/Shootings.jpg)
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menace
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I heard that one of the proffesers held himself against a door so the gunnman couldnt get in while the students escaped, the gunnman shot through the door and killed him and he was a holacaust serviver
what a hero.
His name was Liviu Librescu. He was a hero. Another thing:
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/lilwildcatbj/Journals/Shootings.jpg)
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menace
I can heal emos
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(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w5/lilwildcatbj/Journals/Shootings.jpg)
I can heal emos
...I don't get it.
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there should be 32 on killcount
-1 for selfownage (AsianGunman irritated himself)
Not fucking funny. This isn't a game, this guy actually killed people.
32 - 1 = 31
In a long-standing Russian tradition (a country where today's news is always worse than yesterday's), the only way to deal with life every day is to either drink or joke about it. :)
Personally, I'm really spooked by the frequency of this sort of shit. Has this sort of thing always happened or is it modern times? :(
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32 - 1 = 31
thot 33 excluding himself
so
u have right
so
u have 2 die
*bang bang*
w8 where is my 2nd gun?
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here it is
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u all have 2 die
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Personally, I'm really spooked by the frequency of this sort of shit. Has this sort of thing always happened or is it modern times? :(
Yeah, it's really sad.
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I'm also confused how the americans see this day as "serously serious" when millions of iraquins are dying everyday at war...
Millions, huh. Okay... And for the record, the Iraqi that die there are usually killed in suicide bombings... by other Iraqi (or Iranians). "Millions of iraquins"... The ignorance amazes me.
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Personally, I'm really spooked by the frequency of this sort of shit. Has this sort of thing always happened or is it modern times? :(
Yeah, it's really sad.
Here's something else to think about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting#List_of_school_shootings
The first school shooting by a student was 1966, after that 1983, then many starting from 1991.
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Personally, I'm really spooked by the frequency of this sort of shit. Has this sort of thing always happened or is it modern times? :(
Yeah, it's really sad.
Here's something else to think about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting#List_of_school_shootings
The first school shooting by a student was 1966, after that 1983, then many starting from 1991.
Holy crap, that is a butt-load of school shootings... great, now I'm getting paranoid. :(
*looks left and right, then dives under desk*
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i see some of us are immature assholes
who even facing tragedy try to act funny
well it is not funny at all and it makes u look like a total
jack-off
maybe this link will help u 2 realize
killing is not a game
http://www.newgrounds.com/pico/pico.html
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i see some of us are immature assholes
who even facing tragedy try to act funny
well it is not funny at all and it makes u look like a total
jack-off
maybe this link will help u 2 realize
killing is not a game
http://www.newgrounds.com/pico/pico.html
u may have right
he should get ban
(ip anybody?)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0417071vtech1.html
what do u think who could play in this?
i see it like this:
richard diggs
john nitrox
sue spam bringer
dead dad sleekslacker
btw
does Cho Seung-Hui mean -"i will kill yo all with 2 guns"?
Dude, I would really appreciate it if you wouldn't post on this thread.
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Personally, I'm really spooked by the frequency of this sort of shit. Has this sort of thing always happened or is it modern times? :(
Yeah, it's really sad.
Here's something else to think about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting#List_of_school_shootings
The first school shooting by a student was 1966, after that 1983, then many starting from 1991.
Holy crap, that is a butt-load of school shootings... great, now I'm getting paranoid. :(
*looks left and right, then dives under desk*
Abandoning our usual flamewar type pursuits, I'd like to say in all seriousness that the reason this all happens is because people have stopped valuing life like they used to. Look how often women refer to being pregnant as if it was a disease. It isn't a bad thing when babies are born, it's new life. Precious new life. Look how desensitized we've gotten toward death! I mean, we're so jaded that some fools among us make jokes about the "killcount". Yeah, there's a such thing as making humor out of a bad situation, but not this soon, guys. Those families are still grieving. It will in no way be funny to them. Maybe we should take a good look at how we treat people nowadays.
Back forty years ago, a schoolyard fight happened, punches were exchanged, the score was settled, people went home and forgot about it. Now some kid brings an knife or a gun. I mean damn! What was he trying to prove? "You broke up with me so I think I'll prove you right that I'm a raving psycho?" Good idea, kid, now look who just lost their boyfriend, their girlfriend, their sibling, their mom, their grandpa. Good job, asshole, you just proved to the world that your cause was worthless.
People live too much based on emotion, and look what happens. There's gotta be logic in there somewhere...
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Dude, I would really appreciate it if you wouldn't post on this thread.
i bet u are being mean because got killed by 1st boss
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David, what's with the flames, is that, like, your career path; asshole?
You know he's got enough votes to make moderator... quickly, go downvote him!
Here's something else to think about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting#List_of_school_shootings
The first school shooting by a student was 1966, after that 1983, then many starting from 1991.
Abandoning our usual flamewar type pursuits, I'd like to say in all seriousness that the reason this all happens is because people have stopped valuing life like they used to.
Not too soon to start the cause speculation! ;)
Some possible aggravating factors:
-- Availability of deadly firearms: deadlier than ever and mass produced to boot, is it easier now to get guns than in 1950?
-- Loss of community: not everywhere but, in general, have communities have loosened? Today, no one trusts their neighbor. In 1950 you had poker night at the nieghbors. A lone kid could easily fall through the cracks.
-- Desensitization to violence: what game are we playing again? Oh yes, a Granger-murder simulator. Anyone see the Oscar-winning movie "The Departed"? Deadly violence is common in media and entertainment. People do not care anymore if someone dies.
The verdict? Bad times ahead. :-?
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Um, holy. I have never heard of a school shooting in which the killer chose what people to kill. Columbine killers just shot randomly as did Whitman.
There has been no mention whatsoever of a girlfriend.
HE NEVER TALKS. I doubt he would have had a girlfriend in the first place.
He snapped most likely of his depression or some mental disorder. He hated rich kids ands never mentioned a girlfriend in any of his tapes/letters.
Stop spreading rumors >.>
uhh, I heard about girlfriend fight in korean news that my mom was reading.
And also, long time ago in other schools, these "crazy" kids shot people who annoyed and bullied him. There was an incident where this kid came to school and shot people. But he let people who was nice to him live by just passing them by. Don't know the name though, I mean, there were a lot of incidents you know.
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Doesn't excuse the act of shooting up a school, but yeah. People should watch who they piss off...
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This incident only hardens my philosophy that we all should live each day to the fullest cause it just might be your last. think about it.
You'll probably end up being that drunk, broke, crazy old man at the corner of the street.
Hey retard I was tring to be deep and meaning full. I was tring to make some hope and healing out of this situation not provide you with some two bit joke. So take your imaturity and go shove it!!!!!!!!
my mistake. i didn't mean anger you. i was just trying to make a point as well. the chances that something like that happening to you are slim to none. i am just saying that, yes, enjoy your life, but don't do anything stupid while you are enjoying it. living every day like it is your last will not work in the long run. it would end up in chaos.
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What the hell is wrong with most of you. This is a very serious incident and I hear jokes about IP banning and everyone ripping into beerbastard for what he said. I for one find this absolutely disgusting. I wish this stuff didn't happen and I wish this could be taken on a serious note. This is just an unbelievable and absolutely disgusting and horrible thing. 33 dead people is not a laughing matter. I for one give my condolences to all the families of the lost and injured and hope to god these school shootings stop.
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the funny thing is, thousands die of hunger every day but no one seems to care about that.
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That's because of all the infomurtials (or w/e) begging for donations.
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the funny thing is, thousands die of hunger every day but no one seems to care about that.
death of 32 is a tragedy, death of a million is a statistic.
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the funny thing is, thousands die of hunger every day but no one seems to care about that.
death of 32 is a tragedy, death of a million is a statistic.
sad but true. i heard that somewhere. can't remember where though.
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Um, holy. I have never heard of a school shooting in which the killer chose what people to kill. Columbine killers just shot randomly as did Whitman.
There has been no mention whatsoever of a girlfriend.
HE NEVER TALKS. I doubt he would have had a girlfriend in the first place.
He snapped most likely of his depression or some mental disorder. He hated rich kids ands never mentioned a girlfriend in any of his tapes/letters.
Stop spreading rumors >.>
uhh, I heard about girlfriend fight in korean news that my mom was reading.
And also, long time ago in other schools, these "crazy" kids shot people who annoyed and bullied him. There was an incident where this kid came to school and shot people. But he let people who was nice to him live by just passing them by. Don't know the name though, I mean, there were a lot of incidents you know.
We are not talking about other school shootings? He did not target any people in particular, neither did the columbine shooters, ffs.
"Cho's motives for the killings remain unclear. Early reports suggested that the killing was the result of a domestic dispute between Cho and previously alleged girlfriend Emily Hilscher, who was later revealed to have had no prior relationship with Cho."
From the wikipedia article.
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the funny thing is, thousands die of hunger every day but no one seems to care about that.
death of 32 is a tragedy, death of a million is a statistic.
sad but true. i heard that somewhere. can't remember where though.
Stalin
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Dude i live near VTech and i dont mean to sound insencitive but today is japanese week at school and we were suposed to be ninjas but now we have to wear VTech colors and jersys :-?
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the funny thing is, thousands die of hunger every day but no one seems to care about that.
Ahh, but is it pre-meditated starvation? The whole point is that this shooter guy was one messed up bastard who intentionally took the lives of these people. Starvation is more along the lines of being an accidental/natural causes death
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the funny thing is, thousands die of hunger every day but no one seems to care about that.
death of 32 is a tragedy, death of a million is a statistic.
sad but true. i heard that somewhere. can't remember where though.
Stalin
ty, i remember now
the funny thing is, thousands die of hunger every day but no one seems to care about that.
Ahh, but is it pre-meditated starvation? The whole point is that this shooter guy was one messed up bastard who intentionally took the lives of these people. Starvation is more along the lines of being an accidental/natural causes death
so would you be any more sad if your mom died in a car accident than if she was shot on purpose?
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Are those children dying of starvation my mother?
No.
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Are those children dying of starvation my mother?
No.
are those college kids in Virginia dying your mother?
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there is no "r"
but correcting your name would be
waste of time
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ilxen_nuqil, gtfo these forums.
_Equilibrium_, I was making the point that your comparison made little sense, as I would care if my mother were starving or murdered a lot more then if some person I did not know.
Also, death of 32 is a tragedy, death of a million is a statistic.
that is a good point.
Also, these murders hit closer to home, i.e., they take place in schools in my neighoring country, this shit could happen to me!
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the funny thing is, thousands die of hunger every day but no one seems to care about that.
Don't mock me, I do care greatly about the starving millions equil. This topic, however, is not title "The starving millions". Just because more people die of something else it doesn't make this incident any less of a tradegy than the others. I don't care if someone shoots 4 people or 530 people it is still a horrible and disgusting incident. While the more deaths the harder it hits the community every loss of life is a tradegy in itself. I have donated over 1,500 dollars to local charities in helping feed the starving ect. Every year my school has a can drive(a drive to gather food for poor families for things like christmas) I have donated over 500 cans, more than 9 times that of the average student. So don't think I don't are about the other incidents but this isn't the focus on hand. The focus is this shooting which I stand by is a horrible incident and all the people I see making jokes just piss me off. I wish things like this wouldn't happen and I give my praise to that teacher who sacrificed his life for his students. As menace said :cry: and I continue to hope to god these shootings stop.
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Amen. The problem is, after this cowardly attack in Virginia, there are probably going to be copycat attacks. Did you hear about the school being evacuated in Tempe, AZ?
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ilxen_nuqil, gtfo these forums.
_Equilibrium_, I was making the point that your comparison made little sense, as I would care if my mother were starving or murdered a lot more then if some person I did not know.
Also, death of 32 is a tragedy, death of a million is a statistic.
that is a good point.
Also, these murders hit closer to home, i.e., they take place in schools in my neighoring country, this shit could happen to me!
But do you care about those starving to death in your own country?
The media can partly be attributed for a person's views on one event versus another.
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ilxen_nuqil, gtfo these forums.
_Equilibrium_, I was making the point that your comparison made little sense, as I would care if my mother were starving or murdered a lot more then if some person I did not know.
Also, death of 32 is a tragedy, death of a million is a statistic.
that is a good point.
Also, these murders hit closer to home, i.e., they take place in schools in my neighoring country, this shit could happen to me!
But do you care about those starving to death in your own country?
The media can partly be attributed for a person's views on one event versus another.
They're not my priority.
It's not like all of Canada is starving, either.
Personally, I don't care too much about the starvation, mainly because of those damned commercials and infomertials with all the 12 pound kids crying their eyes out and the old men advertising a company while hugging one of those kids.
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the funny thing is, thousands die of hunger every day but no one seems to care about that.
Don't mock me, I do care greatly about the starving millions equil. This topic, however, is not title "The starving millions". Just because more people die of something else it doesn't make this incident any less of a tradegy than the others. I don't care if someone shoots 4 people or 530 people it is still a horrible and disgusting incident. While the more deaths the harder it hits the community every loss of life is a tradegy in itself. I have donated over 1,500 dollars to local charities in helping feed the starving ect. Every year my school has a can drive(a drive to gather food for poor families for things like christmas) I have donated over 500 cans, more than 9 times that of the average student. So don't think I don't are about the other incidents but this isn't the focus on hand. The focus is this shooting which I stand by is a horrible incident and all the people I see making jokes just piss me off. I wish things like this wouldn't happen and I give my praise to that teacher who sacrificed his life for his students. As menace said :cry: and I continue to hope to god these shootings stop.
in no way was that directed at you power. i wans't try to mock you in the least bit. maybe i should say "MOST people don't care" instead on "NO ONE cares".
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It's not like all of Canada is starving, either
i am sure there will be +1 starving ppl
when your parents will bite the dust.
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the funny thing is, thousands die of hunger every day but no one seems to care about that.
Don't mock me, I do care greatly about the starving millions equil. This topic, however, is not title "The starving millions". Just because more people die of something else it doesn't make this incident any less of a tradegy than the others. I don't care if someone shoots 4 people or 530 people it is still a horrible and disgusting incident. While the more deaths the harder it hits the community every loss of life is a tradegy in itself. I have donated over 1,500 dollars to local charities in helping feed the starving ect. Every year my school has a can drive(a drive to gather food for poor families for things like christmas) I have donated over 500 cans, more than 9 times that of the average student. So don't think I don't are about the other incidents but this isn't the focus on hand. The focus is this shooting which I stand by is a horrible incident and all the people I see making jokes just piss me off. I wish things like this wouldn't happen and I give my praise to that teacher who sacrificed his life for his students. As menace said :cry: and I continue to hope to god these shootings stop.
in no way was that directed at you power. i wans't try to mock you in the least bit. maybe i should say "MOST people don't care" instead on "NO ONE cares".
sorry you just posted it right after I posted so it looked like it was directed at me. Sorry for the misunderstanding. It just seemed perfect to mock my post because of what I said.
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I am really appalled by the childish comments in here, from both sides. I would like to add however that things are not getting worse right now, despite what the media would have you believe America is at a 40 year low for violent crime of all types. Things only look bad because the media blows things way out of proportion, it used to be that if 30 people died in another state you might hear of it from someone who got it from someone else. Now the whole country is freaking out and the president is making a bunch of big speeches. I know it may seem cold but 33 people will not matter in the big picture. To put this number in comparison nearly 30 times as many people died last year in my state alone to car crashes. What is sad is that these people did not even have the choice of preparing themselves to defend themselves from a threat such as this. The least violent generation in 50 years is having more liberties removed than any other in our history.
On a side note WWII was one more on luck than anything. Both sides were only won by sheer numbers, and luck.
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Congratulations Lucifer ! You have won the Most Quality First Post in Years (and Years to Come) Award.
Thank you I try my best every time.
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Congratulations Lucifer ! You have won the Most Quality First Post in Years (and Years to Come) Award.
Holy sh-, I agree with you. +1 to this guy. Though there have been a couple good ones prior.
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Man, I've heard a lot of the details about these shootings..."People got down after the first shots, so he just walked up and down the rows shooting them each multiple times. He went into another room and killed more people, then went back into the same room and shot the bodies of the people he killed before with even more bullets."
I've also heard that a girl was involved that was in both this V. Tech shooting AND Columbine. Dunno if she was killed or if she's still alive though.
There was an incident a while back, like 2 months or so, where a guy went into a supermarket and took out his shotgun and killed 7 people or something, I forget the numbers. Of course that's not as bad as these shootings, but still...bad stuffs.
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This is awful
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The girl who survived Columbine survived Virginia Tech, but she was not in direct danger at VT.
@Lucifer: Imo, 30 people dieing is a tragedy and of course it would be broadcast on the news.
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new sig =)
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Yeah it sucks, what can we do about it? Little unless more security is put in place. Which wont happen because of money. I for one would choose to carry a firearm, but as mentioned before I wouldnt be allowed on with it unless I hid it which I wouldnt do. Which is why I was going off on gun control. I am also sure most good people that are well off would love to help hunger, and some do. I know if I ever am well off I would, however a mans first responsibility is his own family.
I have seen those commercials, the guy says 80cents of every dollar goes to the children, if you think about it there keeping 20% of everything they get. That is alot.
Also there have been 3317 deaths in Iraq trying to fight an army who dont even wear uniform(terrorists), and the press still likes to jump on any other bad news they can. The president uses it to shift the media off his back.
As my final note, I say if you make a rule(no guns/drugs) on campus, you should inforce it. Otherwise the only ones with guns on campus will be the ones out to hurt people.
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Yeah it sucks, what can we do about it? Little unless more security is put in place. Which wont happen because of money. I for one would choose to carry a firearm, but as mentioned before I wouldnt be allowed on with it unless I hid it which I wouldnt do. Which is why I was going off on gun control. I am also sure most good people that are well off would love to help hunger, and some do. I know if I ever am well off I would, however a mans first responsibility is his own family.
I have seen those commercials, the guy says 80cents of every dollar goes to the children, if you think about it there keeping 20% of everything they get. That is alot.
Also there have been 3317 deaths in Iraq trying to fight an army who dont even wear uniform(terrorists), and the press still likes to jump on any other bad news they can. The president uses it to shift the media off his back.
As my final note, I say if you make a rule(no guns/drugs) on campus, you should inforce it. Otherwise the only ones with guns on campus will be the ones out to hurt people.
enforcing it isn't that easy. People will always find a way.
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I'm gonna have to say that the media does exaggerate often. However, they can't tell total lies, and those shootings are STILL a huge load of bad.
I know some people that go and talk day and night about what they saw on the news, stuff happening. But you can't be shocked at every single thing the media says. There's things you have to be like, "That's too bad, oh well..." And dwell on it no more.
Things like this are different. It happened, and as much as there was that might have been exaggerated badly, this was a lot of innocent people dying with no past relations with that insane dude. You can't exaggerate anything about death, no questions asked. The media could tell you that 2000 people were killed by a single man, when it was really a group of 100 terrorists. Makes no difference...those people died.
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I am not saying this was not bad, what I am saying it is just not national bad. 33 people died this should not make the whole nation freak out and start prayer sessions for the rest of the month. In the 3 states I live very close too(right on the border) at least 45 people will die this month in car accidents, more will die from strokes and heart attacks. Why do none of those people get news? There are more of them and it happens all year everywhere in the US. That is my point.
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die from strokes and heart attacks
Natural causes.
Car accidents are not murders either.
They may not be natural causes, but they sure as hell aren't malicious acts of murder.
There are more of them and it happens all year everywhere in the US.
That happens all the time, people are used to it.
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new sig =)
ditto ty
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die from strokes and heart attacks
Natural causes.
Car accidents are not murders either.
They may not be natural causes, but they sure as hell aren't malicious acts of murder.
There are more of them and it happens all year everywhere in the US.
That happens all the time, people are used to it.
and as i said before, it doesn't make the deceaseds' families any less sad
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die from strokes and heart attacks
Natural causes.
Car accidents are not murders either.
They may not be natural causes, but they sure as hell aren't malicious acts of murder.
There are more of them and it happens all year everywhere in the US.
That happens all the time, people are used to it.
and as i said before, it doesn't make the deceaseds' families any less sad
Bringer's point is that heart attacks car accidents and other things aren't purposeful but murdering 33 people at a school is on purpose. One of the ten commandments:
It has absolutely no exceptions. No matter what.
I think this is a terrible thing and it is only 4 hours from me =\ I was freaked out. Search GoogleVideo for Virginia Tech Massacre, Virginia Tech Shooting, or VT Massacre/VT Shooting. Lots of videos. That is because of one man. One person. One human being...
Think about it! My brother was thinking about going to VT but, well, I don't think he will now, even though he should because it will probably be safer after that. G2G bye
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Unless the human condition is changed to "delete" the emotions of anger, loneliness, vengence, self-rightousness etc, these things will continue to happen. I feel sorry for the victim's families, but I'm not too worried.