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Media => Map Releases => Topic started by: Plague Bringer on April 29, 2007, 05:57:14 pm

Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Plague Bringer on April 29, 2007, 05:57:14 pm
Here's my semi-beta map; SkyCastle.

SkyCastle is a symmetric map.

The map is a small floating fortress slip into three parts. Players must use jumppads and ramps to get between the sections of the fortress. I'd just like to see how a map like this plays.

Linkage (click the picture, dumbass):
(http://xs114.xs.to/xs114/07170/skycastle.JPG.xs.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/?cwyh4uzgrt1)
Same name, fixed textures.

P.S., If you're a server op and are going to add this map to the rotation for testing, please post so I can check it out.  :D
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: n00b pl0x on April 29, 2007, 07:23:16 pm
that looks extremely human biased and it has no textures

the humans can even blaster one of the 2 default eggs by sitting cozily next to one of their turrets
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Plague Bringer on April 29, 2007, 07:24:09 pm
It has textures; I packed them into the pk3.
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: n00b pl0x on April 29, 2007, 07:25:24 pm
apparently not the way ur sposta
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Plague Bringer on April 29, 2007, 07:26:16 pm
I basically grabbed Medusa's texture folder, renamed it to SkyCastle, and put it in the Textures folder in the .pk3.
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Survivor on April 29, 2007, 07:32:10 pm
Quote from: "Plague Bringer"
I basically grabbed Medusa's texture folder, renamed it to SkyCastle, and put it in the Textures folder in the .pk3.


The textures point to textures/medusa* then and not textures/skycastle.
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Plague Bringer on April 29, 2007, 07:33:13 pm
Quote from: "Survivor"
Quote from: "Plague Bringer"
I basically grabbed Medusa's texture folder, renamed it to SkyCastle, and put it in the Textures folder in the .pk3.


The textures point to textures/medusa* then and not textures/skycastle.


Fixable?

If so, how?

Thanks in advance.
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Thorn on April 29, 2007, 07:35:52 pm
use radiants Find/replace tool
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Survivor on April 29, 2007, 07:36:15 pm
Quote from: "Plague Bringer"
Quote from: "Survivor"
Quote from: "Plague Bringer"
I basically grabbed Medusa's texture folder, renamed it to SkyCastle, and put it in the Textures folder in the .pk3.


The textures point to textures/medusa* then and not textures/skycastle.


Fixable?

If so, how?

Thanks in advance.

rename the directory textures/skycastle back to textures/whateveritwaswhenyouweremapping and repack it.
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Survivor on April 29, 2007, 07:36:47 pm
Quote from: "Thorn"
use radiants Find/replace tool


Would mean a recompile.
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Thorn on April 29, 2007, 07:37:44 pm
I think he has a spare 15minutes...
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Plague Bringer on April 29, 2007, 07:39:22 pm
Vis and Light take forever and end up doing nothing so all I need is a 20 second BPS-meta compile ;D.

So, just rename the texture folder to the original name, eh?

Okay. I copied and renamed the texture folder after I finished mapping (I was using the original texture folder from the medusa pk3 while mapping), would that affect anything?
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Thorn on April 29, 2007, 07:40:46 pm
Your last statement is just... so wrong...
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Plague Bringer on April 29, 2007, 07:41:42 pm
o.O?
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Survivor on April 29, 2007, 07:43:40 pm
Quote from: "Plague Bringer"
Okay. I copied and renamed the texture folder after I finished mapping (I was using the original texture folder from the medusa pk3 while mapping), would that affect anything?


Yes it would, like i stated just rename it back to what it was and repackage.
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Plague Bringer on April 29, 2007, 08:03:21 pm
I did it the hard way with Find/Replace, recompiled, repacked, and reuploaded.

In other words; the link's fixed
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: TRaK on April 29, 2007, 08:40:06 pm
The lighting is very ugly. Uniform lighting is a big no-no. You have to fix that.

The concept is pretty interesting, but I'm not sure how well it'll play. I suspect the wide-open alien base+very few places to hide+md camping+jetpack will make humans way too strong. All humans have to do is grab a jetpack and they're pretty much invincible, and they can shoot the alien base well out of range of pretty much all aliens. Nevermind that goon pounce and mara jump is very dangerous to use because of all the places they can fall off.

Also, the lack of vis separation could cause some problems, but the brushwork is simple enough that it should be livable.
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: TinMan on April 29, 2007, 08:49:54 pm
Based off of bubctf1?
http://lvl.sourceforge.net/lvl-ogsl.php
I used to do fastcaps on that... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YnM3iJ9fjU
There's nowhere for aliens to hide, any space map from quake3 would need to have rooms made to cover aliens, humans would snipe for s2 and then jet-win the map.
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Plague Bringer on April 29, 2007, 08:51:37 pm
I know. Vis and Light take forever and don't do anything though.
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Survivor on April 29, 2007, 09:31:35 pm
don't
do
anything
?

Haha
Sorry plague but i consider you as one of the pretty smart guys on this forum but that statement makes me reconsider to degrading you to a lower league.

What are your compile switches.
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Plague Bringer on April 29, 2007, 09:36:14 pm
As far as I can tell I am not going to get any shadows in this map.

I can hand it over to someone else to compile, but I either get an infinite wait on vis or an error that cancels the compile.

That's what I meant by 'don't do anything'.

When a -vis completes there's no visable difference.
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Survivor on April 29, 2007, 09:39:31 pm
put up the .map. I'll take a look
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Plague Bringer on April 29, 2007, 09:41:02 pm
;D Thanks Survivor.

I'm using GTKRadiant to compile, that's probably my mistake.

Here's the .map, anyway.

Wait; I'll PM a link.

Thiefs.
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: TRaK on April 29, 2007, 09:48:28 pm
Try using a skybox that simulates cloud cover. The one you're using seems to light everything uniformly.

I don't really understand much about shaders, but you could try reading this : http://tremmapping.pbwiki.com/Shader_1337_Skybox

Or just borrow one of these : http://amethyst7.gotdoofed.com/env.htm

A lot of those have simulated clouds and lighting.
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Survivor on April 29, 2007, 11:17:38 pm
ok

1. no detail. This results in a lot of portals which makes the vis take a long long time. I made everything detail since your map is so open it's better to just have a single visfield and be done with it.
2. 2 light sources, the skybox used and the ambient key. Both make sure you just won't have any real shadows. Removed the ambient key and put in a copy of the fcp skybox for lighttesting.

result
compiles a lot faster. There are now also shadows. No errors encountered

Edit:

My advice is the following.
You have a nice idea, and although your current setup is a bit wank if you start anew, think the concept out and truly put some effort into making it look really nice and play with a flow which is also good for aliens you'll have a fun map.
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Plague Bringer on April 29, 2007, 11:47:42 pm
Okay, so, if I make it a little bigger and add a tower in the middle, that'd make it more alien friendly becuase there's no direct line of fire to alien base, right? I can throw in some more balconies and floors to make for better hiding spots and use of the alien's vertical abilities. I can also make the seperate islands farther apart if that would help.
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Survivor on April 30, 2007, 12:06:23 am
No, the idea is good but the current execution is wank. Start anew, fresh. Don't make an entirely new map, make several small maps exploring this new gameflow you've (re)discovered. Just small maps consisting of a few jump pads, pipes between platforms, maybe add some moving trains, drawbridges. First get the execution to the ideas exactly right. And then you make the real map.

It will work out better trust me. Just pasting stuff on an existing map often makes it worse. But if you make a couple of small idea maps which you don't release and then combine those in a bigger real map it would work out better.

If I may make one hint, make a lower level onto players who fall will land. Else evoes or creds will go to waste way too fast. It doesn't need to be completely holeless, just alternate it so people also have different levels to fight and move on. It would make it way more interesting. And don't forget to make the lower part of platforms unbuildable for alien eggs.
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Lava Croft on April 30, 2007, 11:19:01 am
For someone giving out mapping 'help' to just about everybody on this forum, you sure do make craptastic maps. Please try harder, this is ridiculous.
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: f0rqu3 on April 30, 2007, 12:07:43 pm
a quake3 map :roll:
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Plague Bringer on April 30, 2007, 12:24:24 pm
Quote from: "Lava Croft"
For someone giving out mapping 'help' to just about everybody on this forum, you sure do make craptastic maps. Please try harder, this is ridiculous.


This was a two day map to check out the gameflow of a map using jumpads to get around. It's not a work of art and it was never intended to be. Your maps aren't too great either. atcs3 is completely human sided, and Sokolov is completely alien sided. Those maps were intended to be works of art (they certainly weren't test maps) yet they were completely unbalanced. For someone giving out mapping 'help' to just about everybody on this forum, you sure do make craptastic maps.

;D
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: DarkRogue on April 30, 2007, 04:25:27 pm
Well since we're discussing craptastic mapping contributions I may as well add my 2 cents eh?

Floater map in trem. Looks interesting. An mass driver practice map! :)
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: durand on May 01, 2007, 05:05:38 pm
Quote from: "DarkRogue"
Well since we're discussing craptastic mapping contributions I may as well add my 2 cents eh?

Floater map in trem. Looks interesting. An mass driver practice map! :)


Perfect ;)
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: QuentinTyrantino on May 02, 2007, 12:35:41 pm
Great work Plague!
This map is great, and very funny to play!

I have added it to the map-rotation on my home server, but I need an easy way to disable jetpack, or humans will always win just at Stage 2.

I could stuck humans to Stage 1... but it's a too drastic solution.

So, is there a console command to disable weapon/alien classes ?
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Plague Bringer on May 02, 2007, 12:40:14 pm
Somehow Overflow did it with siege, I'll ask him!

Thanks Tyrantino. It's just a test map, really, but I hope it turns out to be a fun map where there's no real gameplay, just messing around. (Think Benmachine's mod, no offence though, ben)
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: techhead on May 04, 2007, 01:13:28 am
I believe its:
g_disabledequiptment
Along with these two:
g_disabledclasses
g_disabledbuilables
Spelling might be off, so use tab auto-completion.
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: durand on May 04, 2007, 05:06:47 pm
I think he means, on just that map, not for the whole server.
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Plague Bringer on May 04, 2007, 08:24:30 pm
That could probably be put into the map rotation to effect only that map.
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Survivor on May 04, 2007, 08:47:31 pm
Be a sadistic bastard plague, trigger_equipment (jetpack) -> target_kill
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Plague Bringer on May 04, 2007, 08:55:08 pm
Bwahaha, I'll have to make some sign textures that warn against wasting cash on one first, though. >:D
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: QuentinTyrantino on May 05, 2007, 10:17:18 am
Quote from: "techhead"
I believe its:
g_disabledequiptment
Along with these two:
g_disabledclasses
g_disabledbuilables
Spelling might be off, so use tab auto-completion.


I have tried them... but can't change them: they are read only.

Quote from: "Survivor"

Be a sadistic bastard plague, trigger_equipment (jetpack) -> target_kill


Hi! Please, can you be more clear? If it can work, what should I write exactly into the map-rotation, or the specific skycastle.cfg ?
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Survivor on May 05, 2007, 10:54:14 am
It's not up to the server in this example. It's a mapside triggersystem that kills anyone with a jetpack equipped. So if you buy one, you die.

Now come to think of it. You should add in a trigger delay of 20 seconds or so plague :wink:
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: Plague Bringer on May 05, 2007, 01:04:32 pm
Quote from: "Survivor"
It's not up to the server in this example. It's a mapside triggersystem that kills anyone with a jetpack equipped. So if you buy one, you die.

Now come to think of it. You should add in a trigger delay of 20 seconds or so plague :wink:


I'll grab the "Bwahahaha" sound from whitebear's map; (forget the name, gimmics coming out the ears.... nvm) HIGHRISE.
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: n00b pl0x on May 06, 2007, 05:20:47 am
Quote from: "TinMan"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YnM3iJ9fjU


<3 that little guy's grunts lol
Title: SkyCastle [Gameflowtest]
Post by: techhead on May 07, 2007, 03:36:06 am
Undo it as part of the game over trigger.