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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Timbo on April 30, 2007, 07:09:28 pm

Title: IRC network
Post by: Timbo on April 30, 2007, 07:09:28 pm

It appears there is a mutiny afoot to move from Quakenet to Freenode, mainly due to Quakenet's recent instability. I'm not really fussed about where #tremulous is, but it's pain in the arse to move if it's only a minority that feels it's necessary. So...

Title: IRC network
Post by: DarkWolf on April 30, 2007, 07:11:28 pm

Why were you planning to move anyway?

Title: IRC network
Post by: Timbo on April 30, 2007, 07:13:39 pm

I wasn't. Did you read my message? :roll:

Title: IRC network
Post by: DASPRiD on April 30, 2007, 07:15:34 pm

People came to me and asked for a move, due to the instability of Quakenet. So I registered the channels and about 30 people joined #tremulous on Freenode. Now the final decision of the move stays with you.

Title: Quakenet is horrible and should be !banned like Poland :-P
Post by: khalsa on April 30, 2007, 07:19:59 pm

Reasons to Move:

Quakenet's services are horrible or non-existent
The Constant Net-splits ruin conversations, interaction, and the ability to help each other
The quakenet ops recognize the problem, and know that there is no solution for the short term, or long term that is in the roadmap
It's been horrible for a long time now

Why Freenode is better

Stable
Nickserv/Chanserv/Memoserv
Dasprid has allready done the legwork and "officially" registered the Tremulous group, so he has full control over everything
Solid roadmap and staffers on-call 24/7

These are just a Few of the reasons.

Also: All the cool people are already on Freenode, come join us!


Khalsa

Title: IRC network
Post by: DarkWolf on April 30, 2007, 07:20:13 pm

Quote from: "Timbo"

I wasn't. Did you read my message? :roll:

Ah lol, read it better now, but why would other people want to move to there then  :P ?

EDIT: Hehe read Khalsa's post, nvm :).

Title: IRC network
Post by: peoro on April 30, 2007, 07:22:18 pm

$ grep " has quit (\*\.net \*\.split)" .xchat2/xchatlogs/QuakeNet-\#tremulous.log | wc -l
6049

Title: IRC network
Post by: tuple on April 30, 2007, 07:29:54 pm

Quote from: "peoro"

$ grep -ri " has quit (\*\.net \*\.split)" .xchat2/xchatlogs/QuakeNet-\#tremulous.log | wc -l
6049

That alone is pretty telling.  I was frustrated when, for the last 4-5 days, even the quakenet.org site was down.  I worry when a network has trouble keeping a site up.  Not to mention the almost daily netsplits anymore.  It was most frustrating to find myself the only op in #tremulous, only to have it abruptly taken away when the networks merge again! :P

I might add that the #ioquake3 channel is on freenode :) so we would have company

Title: IRC network
Post by: f0rqu3 on April 30, 2007, 07:35:37 pm

+no wallop spam
+ops tell you before netsplit
-geek community

Title: IRC network
Post by: Caveman on April 30, 2007, 07:54:30 pm

Quote from: "f0rqu3"

+no wallop spam
+ ...
-geek community

Wallop-Spam is your own fault, if you don't configure your client properly.
The geeks you get on all nets :)

I personally got driven to freenode, by the horrible instability. (on a dedicated box I had over 64 reconnects in 7 days.)
No matter the server. And as was already told, not even the admins of the linked hubs can do anything about it.

Title: IRC network
Post by: David on April 30, 2007, 08:47:16 pm

Quote from: "peoro"

$ grep " has quit (\*\.net \*\.split)" .xchat2/xchatlogs/QuakeNet-\#tremulous.log | wc -l
6049

What more reason do you need?

Title: IRC network
Post by: gareth on April 30, 2007, 09:14:31 pm

Quash the mutiny! Quakenet rulez!

Title: IRC network
Post by: Caveman on April 30, 2007, 09:20:39 pm

In dubio pro reo...

Title: IRC network
Post by: Lava Croft on May 01, 2007, 01:27:19 am

Quakenet, there is no reason to move at all.

Title: IRC network
Post by: Greudin on May 01, 2007, 11:07:27 am

Quakenet !!, Freenode is only for serious software ;o))))))

Title: IRC network
Post by: sleekslacker on May 01, 2007, 03:10:44 pm

I'm serious about my Tremulous. And I don't trust a network which had their own website down for more than 5 days. No redirection, no downtime message.. just a firefox timeout. www.quakenet.org that is.

Title: IRC network
Post by: Basilisco on May 01, 2007, 03:34:15 pm

Both :)

Title: IRC network
Post by: Caveman on May 01, 2007, 04:06:49 pm

*sigh*
I wish you'd experienced the split of under- and efnet... THAT was something :)

Title: IRC network
Post by: Odin on May 01, 2007, 04:28:10 pm

Um, how the heck did you register a channel? I've been trying to do that for a while for another site I go to.

Title: IRC network
Post by: Lakitu7 on May 01, 2007, 04:57:36 pm

I wish there were a vote for neither. Quakenet has been terrible lately, but Freenode is IRC's hub of all internet operating system zealotry and this community hardly needs any growth in people with those attitudes.

Title: IRC network
Post by: Caveman on May 01, 2007, 06:00:02 pm

Lakitu, I am also not really happy with freenode, but I see no real alternative :(

- Nick protection
- Channel protection
- Host masking
- allowing bouncer
- allowing bots
- allowing scripted access
- multi servered

It's just not easy to get all that...

Title: IRC network
Post by: Lakitu7 on May 01, 2007, 06:31:17 pm

Quote from: "Caveman"

- Nick protection
- Channel protection
- Host masking
- multi servered

Those four at least are all really really common. Quakenet is just too big to do it or too old to change; I don't really know which one is the problem.

Quote from: "Caveman"

- allowing bouncer
- allowing bots
- allowing scripted access

It's pretty rare for those to be banned just for existing until/unless they become a problem. If your bouncer isn't a public one, they don't even really have a way to know. If your bot is only in your own channels, it's a nonissue short of perhaps one "clone" connection and noone has the close limit to only 1 because of ghosting and such.

I honestly don't know what you mean by scripted access though.

Title: IRC network
Post by: Raytray on May 02, 2007, 12:37:34 am

#dretchstorm
#mercenariesguild
#tremulous

and a few other channels have been moved.  It's really simple to just change the topic and just go there and wait.  #dretchstorm was able to do it within 30 minutes of confused chatter about random things while we got everyone there.  (about 8-10) people.

Title: IRC network
Post by: Caveman on May 02, 2007, 01:32:05 am

I guess this place is as good as any to advertise .)

#aliens_wrath and the affiliated channels on qnet have been abrogated.

At the same time we found it a good idea to rename our main channel to #wraths and the others accordingly.

Title: IRC network
Post by: Timbo on May 02, 2007, 09:19:42 am

OK, this seems pretty conclusive.