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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: TriedtoDestroyMetal on May 02, 2007, 06:52:22 am

Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: TriedtoDestroyMetal on May 02, 2007, 06:52:22 am
So I made an alien crosshair, you might have read about it in the "what do you want to see" thread.

Here's what it looks like at full resolution:

(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w22/triedtodestroymetal/alien.jpg)

Here's what it looks like in game (I made a 64x64 tga of it)
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w22/triedtodestroymetal/shot0004.jpg)
Kinda crappy, eh? Oh yeah, and hahaha @ Janook ;)

Here are some mockups I made in the GIMP

Here the image isn't scaled
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w22/triedtodestroymetal/mock1.jpg)
Here it's scaled 75%
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w22/triedtodestroymetal/mock2.jpg)
Here it's scaled 50%
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w22/triedtodestroymetal/mock3.jpg)
Here it's scaled 25%
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w22/triedtodestroymetal/mock4.jpg)

What do you think? I think it looks pretty bad-ass at 50%. Does the engine support larger crosshairs, with alpha channel? If not, could it be made to easily?
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: Caveman on May 02, 2007, 07:07:47 am
I think it is useless. The ones included already suffice.
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: f0rqu3 on May 02, 2007, 07:08:56 am
I dont want anything blocking the screen
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: TriedtoDestroyMetal on May 02, 2007, 07:09:45 am
Well aren't we a cheery bunch this evening.

Sure the present crosshairs suffice, but I'm the type that's not always happy with white walls, white bread and rice and beans for supper 7 nights a week. Be all that you can be, caveman. Strive do to better than just "it suffices"

Or use whatever crosshair you prefer. It's a game, right? ;)
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: B1ackmagic on May 02, 2007, 07:34:37 am
I could fix you up a hud that uses it at any side you want,
just make it into tga with a transparent background.

note this is a hack.. it's a not a real crosshair
it's just drawing it to the middle of your screen as part
of the alien hud. (for self-deluded people: no, not
a hack like a wall hack. it's a hack in the proper
sense of the term... a workaround if you will.)

won't work on pure servers that don't have the file
loaded though.

~ B1ackmagic
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: kevlarman on May 02, 2007, 08:02:09 am
it takes up too much space, up until now i've used chomper's xhair (the default xhair scaled down to about 2/3 of the default one), but i've been wanting to replace it with the dot used on the alien hud for aliensense scaled to about 1/3 or less. anything more just takes up space and blocks your view for no reason.
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: Glunnator on May 02, 2007, 08:04:28 am
CHEATZORZ! EVIL CHEATING PERSONS! RAWER!

 :P
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: E-Mxp on May 02, 2007, 09:31:09 am
I cant understand how a alien crossair would be cheating. Like human crossairs it just chows you the middle of the screen.

I have no problems with the normal alien crossair. I use them myself.
I put the chompers code into the HighFisibility hud :D
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: Caveman on May 02, 2007, 09:44:59 am
hehe, I was waiting for someone to say that :D
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: Glunnator on May 02, 2007, 10:36:34 am
Yeah, well, it just doesn't feel right...
So where can I get one then?  :D  :P
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: _Equilibrium_ on May 02, 2007, 01:28:18 pm
Quote from: "E-Mxp"
I cant understand how a alien crossair would be cheating. Like human crossairs it just chows you the middle of the screen.
i don't think anyone on this thread was honestly saying that an alien crosshair is considered cheating.
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: f0rqu3 on May 02, 2007, 02:57:09 pm
stop it! alien crosshairs are in svn now. however some admins may still consider them as cheating since not everyone has xhairs in 1.1.0.
and they are right!
You gain advantage over other players by using crosshairs It is not like a bind or anything. You create/dl a cfg file and get it read. so stop pretending it is not a hack and like a console command or bind. IT IS THE FIRST STEPS OF USING AN AIMBOT. AND IT IS CHEATING IN 1.1.0
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: Stof on May 02, 2007, 03:16:52 pm
Quote from: "f0rqu3"
stop it! alien crosshairs are in svn now. however some admins may still consider them as cheating since not everyone has xhairs in 1.1.0.
and they are right!
You gain advantage over other players by using crosshairs It is not like a bind or anything. You create/dl a cfg file and get it read. so stop pretending it is not a hack and like a console command or bind. IT IS THE FIRST STEPS OF USING AN AIMBOT. AND IT IS CHEATING IN 1.1.0

No.
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: f0rqu3 on May 02, 2007, 03:18:17 pm
Quote from: "Stof"
Quote from: "f0rqu3"
stop it! alien crosshairs are in svn now. however some admins may still consider them as cheating since not everyone has xhairs in 1.1.0.
and they are right!
You gain advantage over other players by using crosshairs It is not like a bind or anything. You create/dl a cfg file and get it read. so stop pretending it is not a hack and like a console command or bind. IT IS THE FIRST STEPS OF USING AN AIMBOT. AND IT IS CHEATING IN 1.1.0

No.

you say no because you are using them. I understand you. but fair play please
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: TriedtoDestroyMetal on May 02, 2007, 03:22:35 pm
uhhh... yeaaaaah...so what do you think of my mockups?

The reason I made them is because I feel the standard crosshair is too mechanical.This one's more 'organic'. It has a bit more of an 'alien' feel to it than the old one.
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: f0rqu3 on May 02, 2007, 03:24:22 pm
Quote from: "TriedtoDestroyMetal"
uhhh... yeaaaaah...so what do you think of my mockups?

The reason I made them is because I feel the standard crosshair is too mechanical.This one's more 'organic'. It has a bit more of an 'alien' feel to it than the old one.

are you being off topic
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: KobraKaine on May 02, 2007, 03:25:52 pm
Quote from: "f0rqu3"
Quote from: "TriedtoDestroyMetal"
uhhh... yeaaaaah...so what do you think of my mockups?

The reason I made them is because I feel the standard crosshair is too mechanical.This one's more 'organic'. It has a bit more of an 'alien' feel to it than the old one.

are you being off topic


He created the topic, moron.
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: Stof on May 02, 2007, 03:30:53 pm
Quote from: "f0rqu3"
you say no because you are using them. I understand you. but fair play please

I don't use them. Well, I have a custom hud installed but it mainly changes the look of the human HUD. I don't play often with aliens themselves (I find it much more fun to kill aliens than to play with them :P) so the extra crosshair in that case is minor.

Timbo said custom huds with added crosshair are OK so unless you think your opinion is worth more than is, using them with 1.1.0 is NOT cheating. The same that some specific server ban lucy spam, they can ban usage of custom huds, as stupid as both of those rules are but in no way should that be considered a general rule!
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: Glunnator on May 02, 2007, 03:50:41 pm
Well actually, I have to agree with f0rqu3...
He has a point! I never played with alien crosshairs and never will untill it's built-in in the game!
It IS an advantage over other players, just like aimbotting, etc!
If you guys go on like this Trem won't be fun anymore for the honest people.

Please!
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: The MC Horton Crankfire on May 02, 2007, 03:59:08 pm
Quote from: "TriedtoDestroyMetal"
uhhh... yeaaaaah...so what do you think of my mockups?

The reason I made them is because I feel the standard crosshair is too mechanical.This one's more 'organic'. It has a bit more of an 'alien' feel to it than the old one.
I like your idea, but the design's just too chunky. It should really only be at 25 to 33%, and it looks too thick then. It does look nice enough at 50%, but I think anyone would get tired of it pretty quick.

So either slim it down or maybe make it less dense, and you've really got something cool going for you.
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: Stof on May 02, 2007, 04:03:29 pm
Quote from: "Glunnator"
Well actually, I have to agree with f0rqu3...
He has a point! I never played with alien crosshairs and never will untill it's built-in in the game!
It IS an advantage over other players, just like aimbotting, etc!
If you guys go on like this Trem won't be fun anymore for the honest people.

Please!

And 120 FPS is an advantage over players with crappy computers. 20 ms ping is an advantage other what you can get with a 56k modem, "advanced" binds are also a great advantage! For example, I have that great bing that allows me to toggle the jetpack with a simple keypress, without using the inventory! Talk about cheating.

Let's start cutting back on all those advantages builtin the game. First, the game will now only handle 2 mouse buttons at best. No custom binds will be available, only those you can create using the ingame input configuration will be allowed ( for information, it means you get a shortcut for the medkit and maybe to buy ammo but that's all ). Next, the game will be limited to 25 FPS at most, and anybody that cannot reach that point will be kicked. And then, every Mac OSX and Linux user will be required to run a resident program that will eat all available CPU and HDD ressource at random to simulate the stupid antivirus Windows players have to use.

And there are still many more things we should lock down before users start exploiting them!
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: TriedtoDestroyMetal on May 02, 2007, 04:25:52 pm
Quote from: "The MC Horton Crankfire"
Quote from: "TriedtoDestroyMetal"
uhhh... yeaaaaah...so what do you think of my mockups?

The reason I made them is because I feel the standard crosshair is too mechanical.This one's more 'organic'. It has a bit more of an 'alien' feel to it than the old one.
I like your idea, but the design's just too chunky. It should really only be at 25 to 33%, and it looks too thick then. It does look nice enough at 50%, but I think anyone would get tired of it pretty quick.

So either slim it down or maybe make it less dense, and you've really got something cool going for you.
Now there's something I can work with. I'll see what I can do.
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: B1ackmagic on May 02, 2007, 06:16:44 pm
ug.. i was afraid that would happen people
are argueing about alien crosshairs again...

look... tremulous is an open source game
it was designed be customizable so that anyone
could contribute... thus the hud customizability
without violating purecheck.

if you truely believe it's an advantage,
go grab one for yourself... it's pubicly avaliable.
the devs obviously thought it improved gameplay
because it's in the svn and thus isn't a mod
which makes gameplay worthless or pointless
like an aimbot or a wallhack.

i use the following defintion of a cheat in gaming
for a customizable game like tremulous:
1) any direct modification to the redering engine
which is desgined to create a gameplay advantage.
2) anything which causes enacts actions for your in-game
avatar or changes or modifies the controls while
taking into acount game state information.  (binds
are blind... they only do what you say.  they cannot read
someone's location like an aimbot.)
3) anything that requires breaking a cheat protection.
(breaking purecheck, changing cheat locked cvars, etc...)

to people who customize:
if you make a really good mod or script which you think
enchances gameplay you should release it to the public...
it is the spirit of open source.  trying to keep it to only
yourself to keep an "advantage" is not only silly,
but makes you look stupid.

if some admins want to try
to ban them on their servers,
that is their progative...
but it is silly and foolish
to make rules which you can't
enforce. it only undermines
your potition and authority.
they also need to give fair warning
in thier MMOD.  my upcoming
avalon mod has a cvar to disable
the alien crosshair if you should
desire to do so either in
general or to play on a certian server.

note themetal:
silly me i released after my last
post that as long as your making
a mod which can't be used in purecheck,
might as well just change the weapon
definitions for aliens to use your xhair
instead.. you can change size it there,
but it must be square.

~ B1ackmagic
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: Bajsefar on May 02, 2007, 06:24:55 pm
¨Make it huge, like the 75% one, but make it much more transparent and faint-looking. The bigger it is, the cooler it is and trem is more about reflexes and quick thinking than seeing absolutely everything.
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: Paradox on May 02, 2007, 08:01:04 pm
What map is the outside one. Ancient remains? It doesnt look like that for me.
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: kevlarman on May 02, 2007, 08:16:52 pm
Quote from: "Paradox"
What map is the outside one. Ancient remains? It doesnt look like that for me.
it's temple
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: Plague Bringer on May 02, 2007, 08:23:24 pm
Back to the alien crosshair cheating issue for a minute, how is this cheating? The crosshair is pointless for melee, as long as you're looking at the human, you're basically going to land a hit, you need to aim above the head for a headshot with most aliens, so it doesn't help in that aspect. It basically just shows where the center of the screen is. That's useless. Any experienced player knows where the center of the screen is and is not helped by this crap.
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: sleekslacker on May 02, 2007, 08:34:43 pm
This has been discussed over and over to death and we have arrived to a conclusion. It's not a cheat. Period.
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: Plague Bringer on May 02, 2007, 08:44:07 pm
Thank you.
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: TinMan on May 02, 2007, 09:34:11 pm
Make a an advanced goon crosshair and config for it (to display at non-shrunk resolution) and I'll love you. As for the crosshair you just made, I personally like thin lines for pinpointing, not bloody blobs that I can't see through.
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: Matt2k10 on May 02, 2007, 10:25:26 pm
learn2aim
If anything, I'll find an alien crosshair that's not on adv goon or adv mara annoying, since it's not needed.
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: TriedtoDestroyMetal on May 02, 2007, 11:13:29 pm
Hey yo
So I don't know why everyone's discussing the 'cheating' topic.. this thread has nothing to do with that...
Any way it seems different people prefer different things here, so I'd be happy to share what I have. I'm just not sure how to put this in game and have it at the proper size/resolution.

I also might come up with a range finding agoon crosshair, because that's awesome.
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: E-Mxp on May 03, 2007, 07:45:45 am
I would love that!! :D
Keep it coming!! :D
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: techhead on May 04, 2007, 01:37:44 am
So if I play on tjw's server and download his client, and then I go play on an impure server, I'm cheating?
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: TriedtoDestroyMetal on May 04, 2007, 01:58:38 am
Quote from: "techhead"
So if I play on tjw's server and download his client, and then I go play on an impure server, I'm cheating?
THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT CHEATING!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT CHEATING!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT CHEATING!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT CHEATING!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT CHEATING!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Deep breath....*

THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT CHEATING!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: Smokey on May 04, 2007, 03:30:08 am
The official Zilla Hacks:
(http://smokey.zilla-clan.net/shot0043.jpg)
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: Flower on May 04, 2007, 04:35:29 am
Quote from: "Smokey"
The official Zilla Hacks:


That's why you kick ass... I need to haxXx too =D


--Please stop quoting entire images. -Lava
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: Matt2k10 on May 04, 2007, 04:44:55 am
Quote from: "Smokey"
...

lamer
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: FisherP on May 04, 2007, 04:50:01 am
Quote from: "TriedtoDestroyMetal"
uhhh... yeaaaaah...so what do you think of my mockups?


I reckon it's not bad, maybe at about 25% would be optimal. However could you also do something different with the rest of the alien HUD?
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: [insert name here] on May 04, 2007, 05:06:37 am
NICE!!! Now i can get rid of this tape in the middle of my screen.  :D
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: E-Mxp on May 04, 2007, 07:35:26 am
Quote from: "Smokey"
The official Zilla Hacks:
*image*
OMG 160 fps!!! :D
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: Evlesoa on May 04, 2007, 02:41:43 pm
A crosshair is just a dot in the middle so u know where the middle is, so you can aim. Nothing to do with haxx0ring my friend...
Title: Alien Crosshair (Screenies and Mockups)
Post by: Smokey on May 04, 2007, 07:48:49 pm
Quote from: "E-Mxp"
Quote from: "Smokey"
The official Zilla Hacks:
*image*
OMG 160 fps!!! :D

And everything is on high!!!!1!1!