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Community => Clans => Individual Clan Threads => Topic started by: amine on June 29, 2007, 04:46:04 am
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Before scrimming (*recommendation*):
a) Unlagged on/off (make sure both teams agree to the setting, g_unlagged 1) (recommended on)
b) Private messages off (g_privatemessages 0) (default 1)
c) No public chatting from spectators (g_minLevelToSpecMM1 5) (default 0)
d) Knockback changed to 1000 (g_knockback 1000) (default 1000)
e) All teams locked (!lock a/!lock h)
f) Human and Alien build points to the default 102 (g_alienBuildPoints 102, g_humanBuildPoints 102)
g) Sudden death time to 35 (g_suddendeathtime 35)
h) Sudden death mode to 2 (g_suddendeathmode 2)
i) Timelimit to 50 (timelimit 50)
j) Friendly fire on (g_friendlyfire 1)
k) Buildable friendly fire on (g_friendlybuildablefire 1) (recommended on)
Once you have got the basic settings in, make sure everyone agrees then !putteam everybody according to their choice of team.
So, how to win the scrim?
The game starts at 0-0 score. Whenever a team wins, switch sides, and start over. First team to win twice in a row wins the scrim. This will allow a fair chance for both teams. Best out of 3 does not work because one clan will have disadvantage on one team over the other.
What happens if we draw?
If you draw, the match does not count. Simply continue as if that match never happened. If team A had 1 win before, then they have 1 win after. DO NOT SWITCH SIDES!
Example of games
Scrim #1
Match 1 - Team A wins
Match 2 - Team A wins
Team A wins Scrim #1 because they won twice in a row.
Scrim #2
Match 1 - Team A wins
Match 2 - Team B wins
Match 3 - Team A wins
Match 4 - Team B wins
Match 5 - Team B wins
Team B wins Scrim #2 because they won twice in a row.
Scrim #3
Match 1 - Team B wins
Match 2 - Team A wins
Match 3 - Team B wins
Match 4 - Team A wins
Match 5 - Draw
Match 6 - Team A wins
Team A wins Scrim #3 because they won twice in a row (draw does not count as anything!)
Conclusion
I hope everybody starts using these rules, because best out of 3 simply is NOT the way to do it. As for the settings, they are recommended, and make sure both teams agree to them!
Have fun!
Edits
Build points changed to 100 from 110.
Stated *recommendation* on top for those who like to complain to get 15 minutes of fame (or should I say 'of flame')
Added some default values
Changed knockback to 1000 from 0 (reason I put it at 0 is before.. basilisk used to have knockback. I was informed otherwise.
Build points changed to 102 from 100.
Sudden death time changed to 35 from 40.
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why 110 BP?
and i usually see SD at 30.
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Though this was not the system commonly used before, it should be. The previous system of 'best out of 3' is foolish. Almost every clan is better as aliens, as most scrims are 3v3, and 3v3 = an easy time for goons. Therefore, unless there is a big difference in skill levels, aliens will usually win, resulting in the clan starting as aliens receiving the win (they are able to play as aliens twice). Thus, whoever wins scrims depends on order, which is not what it should be. Wins should depend on skill.
This system is good; it gives a FAIR chance to both clans. Who cares if it results in a lot more draws for the general clanning public - it's just a record, after all. The only problem is time constraints. Perhaps, in the event of a draw, both clans agree to postpone the scrim to a later date, in the hope that one clan will be able to win twice in a row.
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I like these guidelines an|me.
I'm going to have to get them implemented into {S/W} Scrim settings.
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Very Nice. I'm thinking of adding these into our !clanmatch settings.
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a) Unlagged on/off (make sure both teams agree to the setting, g_unlagged 1)
i'm with you so far...
b) Private messages off (g_privatemessages 0)
a little over kill but whatever
c) No public chatting from spectators (g_minLevelToSpecMM1 5)
this is a non-standard patch, you can't expect people to have it
d) Knockback changed to 0 (g_knockback 0)
...what the fuck?!? knockback is in the game for a reason, you should not be disabling it.
e) All teams locked (!lock a/!lock h)
finally you're starting to be sane again...
f) Human and Alien build points to 110 (g_alienBuildPoints 110, g_humanBuildPoints 110)
...never mind. bp should be at 100 unless agreed upon otherwise by both sides.
g) Sudden death time to 40 (g_suddendeathtime 40)
h) Sudden death mode to 2 (g_suddendeathmode 2)
the latter is a non-standard patch, and this is something that both sides should agree to
i) Timelimit to 50 (timelimit 50)
reasonable for your sd time
j) Friendly fire on (g_friendlyfire 1)
k) Buildable friendly fire on (g_friendlybuildablefire 1)
reasonable, but once again ff should be agreed on before the match.
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kevlarman, how often do you scrim?
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That would be a never, but he's quite right.
Also, if you're going to have more rounds, then you should problably lower the time per round so as not to make CWs lasting 3 hours+
30 min sd and 45 min timelimit.
Longer time in sd usually does favor aliens(Naab camping humans) but its not neccessarily true.
Bps should be at 100, 110 is useless. Maybe in the case of bigger CWs you might decide to make it 102, allowing more spawns without loss of bps, then its up to you.
If knockback is on the server, leave it, otherwise you remove lucy jump.
Personally, ff should always be on, it removes the lucy/chaingun spam on teamamtes to try and help them and makes it so rampaging tyrants/running goons have to pay attention where they jump.
I despise unlag, you should ask the other team if they want it on or not.
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When opp scrims
a) Unlagged on
Dont care about pms being on or off, most clans use teamspeak. Anyone is welcome in OPPs public teamspeak during a scrim as long as they dont talk. I kick anyone who talks about the game who isnt playing.
Locking teams favors whoever gets put-teamed first. They will get evos/credtis faster than the other team. I tell everyone its a clan scrim and if they join I will kick them. Have force team balance on. This way its fair to both teams. Than lock teams. I also like lakitus qvm which has restart keepteams. That way at 2mins everyone is getting there camp evo/credit.
f) Human and Alien build points to 100g
g) Sudden death time to 30 (g_suddendeathtime 40)
h) Sudden death mode to 2 (g_suddendeathmode 2)
i) Timelimit to 50 (timelimit 50)
j) Friendly fire on (g_friendlyfire 1)
k) Buildable friendly fire off (Does it really hurt a wall when you shoot it?)
I for one thing take a demo of every scrim i play, I wish we could get everyone to do this.
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Conclusion
I hope everybody starts using these rules, because best out of 3 simply is NOT the way to do it.
LOL who are you to decide what settings should be used in a scrim? All settings should be agreed upon by those (or the representatives of those) who are playing the match/scrim. Regardless of whether your settings are good or not it's not up to you :P
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What's with all the dicks on this forum?
Conclusion
I hope everybody starts using these rules, because best out of 3 simply is NOT the way to do it.
LOL who are you to decide what settings should be used in a scrim? All settings should be agreed upon by those (or the representatives of those) who are playing the match/scrim. Regardless of whether your settings are good or not it's not up to you :P
He was simply stating his constructive opinion. He didn't make any decisions. After all, forums are for discussing things, which is why he posted it - for clan leaders to see.
How often do you scrim, janev?
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What matters is that both teams know all the settings and have agreed on them.
As to what the setting are, let them decide.
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What matters is that both teams know all the settings and have agreed on them.
As to what the setting are, let them decide.
Yes...that's what this thread is for..
Does anyone have a real objection to the 'win twice in a row' *proposed* rule?
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It's not that, it's all his setting. He's not a god, nor should he act like one. He's not one to decide settings. Honestly, I don't care if he hopes people use these, he's acting like an asshole, and so are you, by trying to force this on us.
@Kevlar- what's wrong with no PM's? It prevents ghosting.
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It's not that, it's all his setting. He's not a god, nor should he act like one. He's not one to decide settings. Honestly, I don't care if he hopes people use these, he's acting like an asshole, and so are you, by trying to force this on us.
@Kevlar- what's wrong with no PM's? It prevents ghosting.
Actually, you seem more like an asshole than anyone else. Why do idiots like you keep coming into threads and flaming people, without posting anything constructive? You'll probably flame me in response, now; if you don't, I apologize for assuming so.
Am|ne was simply posting what he believed to be good scrim settings. If you don't like them, post some constructive criticism, which at least kevlarman did. Enough of this shit with your assumptions of people. You don't know him, so don't assume he's arrogant and thinks he's a god.
This topic is meant to DISCUSS the current settings/rules of scrims. Please keep flames out of it. And PLEASE don't bring Evlesoa into this. (No evlesoa don't respond lol)
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Your post was the first time I saw Evlesoa mentioned here. >_>
Scrim setting should be decided by the clans. These are great setting for something like a tourney, where every match follows the same rules. The only thing I think should be applied is the two in a row win. Perhaps three matches maximum per day would be reccomended.
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It's not that, it's all his setting. He's not a god, nor should he act like one. He's not one to decide settings. Honestly, I don't care if he hopes people use these, he's acting like an asshole, and so are you, by trying to force this on us.
I'm not even going to bother explaining myself to you. I could go on for pages showing how you have not a single ounce of intelligence, but meh. Let's just leave it at that. If you want to state your opinion, then state your opinion and stop flaming on a forum.
Conclusion
I hope everybody starts using these rules, because best out of 3 simply is NOT the way to do it.
LOL who are you to decide what settings should be used in a scrim? All settings should be agreed upon by those (or the representatives of those) who are playing the match/scrim. Regardless of whether your settings are good or not it's not up to you
(also to David): As for you, I meant the 'How to win the scrim' area, and not MY settings, which is why I said 'because best out of 3 simply is NOT the way to do it.' I can see how you got confused. Also, keep in mind that not everyone knows what a scrim is. This article is aimed for everyone.
Most of you state 100BP for both team, which is the default. I stated 110, which is a number I pulled out of my ass really. I've always played with 110, and everyone seems happy with it. I will edit and make it 100BP. I will also edit saying that the settings are RECOMMENDED. I started this thread by explain the 'how to win' section, then added the rules as an extra (and to show everyone what variables to edit if you want to change a rule).
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That's the thing. Who reccomended them? You? Wow. You're fairly unknown, and, no offense, but I don't think anyone care's about your reccomendation. Have these setting been tested, or did you pull all of them out of your ass? Anyone else reccomending them?
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That's the thing. Who reccomended them? You? Wow. You're fairly unknown, and, no offense, but I don't think anyone care's about your reccomendation. Have these setting been tested, or did you pull all of them out of your ass? Anyone else reccomending them?
I clearly stated that I scrim at least once a day. And I own a server, so yes, they have been tested. You really need to stop flaming. I don't give a rats ass if you use my settings or not, they are RECOMMENDED. Perhaps you simply need a dictionary. As for 'no one caring', speak for yourself. You're pathetic, really.
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That's the thing. Who reccomended them? You? Wow. You're fairly unknown, and, no offense, but I don't think anyone care's about your reccomendation. Have these setting been tested, or did you pull all of them out of your ass? Anyone else reccomending them?
Plague Bringer, stfu, before you make yourself look stupid. First you call Iabz a noob, and now this. From what I've seen in-game, you suck, and amine would rape you. I care about his recommendation, and I scrim almost EVERY day, and have been for the past month or so. Who the fuck are you? Do you have a clan? Do you scrim everyday? Does anyone care about YOUR recommendation? Oh, sorry, correction: does anyone care about your pointless, nonconstructive, annoying, spammy flaming?
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A few of you say you scrim every day....
From the little I have seen of the clan scene around here, I would have to assume I'm missing something.
Where is all this happening?
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A few of you say you scrim every day....
From the little I have seen of the clan scene around here, I would have to assume I'm missing something.
Where is all this happening?
Not on any of the servers you frequent, obviously. NT server, Zubs server, other clan servers, all at varying times. I didn't know you could be on every server at once.
Please don't try to tell me I don't scrim almost every day. I think I would know, and so would many others.
How often do you scrim?
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That was my half assed attempt at a constructive post, if you're going to be retarted, then be my guest.
Apple, you haven't seen me in game. Ever.
(Okay, so I don't know that for sure, but I certainly haven't seen you recently.)
Who cares how often he scrims? If these are for your scrims, so be it, who cares? If they're reccomendations, then don't make them seem like we have to follow them.
And no, I won't stfu to avoid making myself look stupid. I've got a point to be heard, along with a few other people, and it's damned well going to be heard, and acnowldged.
Maybe I'm just pissy because there was an hour long assembly at school before we could get out report cards, I dunno.
Re reading the first post I saw a ninja edit.
Conclusion
I hope everybody starts using these rules, because best out of 3 simply is NOT the way to do it. As for the settings, they are recommended, and make sure both teams agree to them!
The way you made it sound originally was that the setting were carved in stone, now I see that by "rules" you were only referring to the two in a row = win. I'm sorry for my ignorance. Perhaps you could make your ideas more clear the first time, next time. >_>
Oh, and Apple, this conversation is in no way linked to Iabz nooby infinite stamina idea, so don't try to link them. It's a pitiful excuse to get the upper hand in an argument. It's like using "Yeah? Well.. he stole candy when he was a kid!" as a defence in a court case against molestation. Two completely different topics. Go get an education in debating before your next post.
Kthxbai.
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That was my half assed attempt at a constructive post, if you're going to be retarted, then do so.
Yes Apple, stop being "retarted".
Sorry, had too :P
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I pretty much agree with these "hope to be standards" as well as I demo every scrim. I also screenshot each endgame score. As for TL/SD time, I disagree with it as well. 30/45 :D
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Please don't try to tell me I don't scrim almost every day. I think I would know, and so would many others.
I never said that...
Also, I meant where as in forums IRC etc.
Random in game encounters don't carry much weight for me, as neither side has good/best players on, no planning and probably little in the way of TS.
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Its still a half assed tie system...
No one is going to play for fking 8 hours because its a constant tie...
Its stupid. No.
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Please don't try to tell me I don't scrim almost every day. I think I would know, and so would many others.
I never said that...
Also, I meant where as in forums IRC etc.
Random in game encounters don't carry much weight for me, as neither side has good/best players on, no planning and probably little in the way of TS.
Yes, in game encounters. You can also use http://clans.tremulous.net/ to see what clans are online now, and go to their server and ask them if they want to scrim.
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Its still a half assed tie system...
No one is going to play for fking 8 hours because its a constant tie...
Its stupid. No.
no one said you have to keep playing until someone wins 2 in a row. you can just try another day.
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and it goes on for ever... once you start ties, you cant stop them... another day you tie up, and another... goes on for months!
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so you can say both clans are pretty even then. that would seem pretty accurate.
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... dude, seriously... no1 is gonna spend 6 games just to win...
Its a big waste of time, when you could easily play 3 and call it a win...
Its BEST 2 out of 3, not BEST 2 CONSECUTIVE wins out of Infinity
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If you tie that much, then call it a draw.
Your either very closely matched, or a bunch of stupid campers.
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... dude, seriously... no1 is gonna spend 6 games just to win...
Its a big waste of time, when you could easily play 3 and call it a win...
Its BEST 2 out of 3, not BEST 2 CONSECUTIVE wins out of Infinity
...dude, seriously... i don't think the clan that lost will be happy KNOWING that if they had been aliens twice instead of once they would have won.
...seriously...dude...dude...seriouslyaloebpoBfhu aowehfo...........ssikfug..s.dg....ase..b.ry.w.wg .w..z.dht...
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We get draws all the time because we never get the tiebreaker in...Then again, I would say that a REAL win would be winning 2 out of 2 rounds in a regular 3 round scrim. You're just switching teams and it doesn't make as big a difference as it could.
Amine's settings are good, but yeah, everything like FF and stuff should be agreed upon before starting.
It's really hard to get a balanced scrimmage that is time-friendly with because of the differences between aliens and humans. Yes, aliens and humans are, in my opinion, balanced quite well in terms of potential to win. But different clans means different performance as a team with each side. If one clan had horrid alien work but great human work and the other clan had the same comparison, the outcome, depending on how equal other influential variables are, such as individuals' abilities, could be quite obvious.
I think a real simple way for these scrims to go down is keep having 2 round scrims. Eventually, one clan will most likely improve enough that they CAN win the deciding round, and then it will be a win. You've gotta take either draws or what can often be very unrealiable wins.
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... dude, seriously... no1 is gonna spend 6 games just to win...
Its a big waste of time, when you could easily play 3 and call it a win...
Its BEST 2 out of 3, not BEST 2 CONSECUTIVE wins out of Infinity
...dude, seriously... i don't think the clan that lost will be happy KNOWING that if they had been aliens twice instead of once they would have won.
...seriously...dude...dude...seriouslyaloebpoBfhu aowehfo...........ssikfug..s.dg....ase..b.ry.w.wg .w..z.dht...
Ok umm i used 4 of "..." you used 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9... should I keep going? I dont make THAT many, cmon now!
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Oh, and Apple, this conversation is in no way linked to Iabz nooby infinite stamina idea, so don't try to link them. It's a pitiful excuse to get the upper hand in an argument. It's like using "Yeah? Well.. he stole candy when he was a kid!" as a defence in a court case against molestation. Two completely different topics. Go get an education in debating before your next post.
Kthxbai.
It's as simple as having some COMMON-fucking-SENSE and NOT BEING A total n00b.
Actually, you called him a noob. An education in debating? Don't make me laugh. You obviously have none - otherwise, you would understand that destroying your opponent's credibility is a viable tactic. Lawyers do it frequently. Basically, you've been calling everyone you don't know a noob when you have nothing else to say. Sorry for prolonging the flame, but I hate to leave insults unanswered.
I think a real simple way for these scrims to go down is keep having 2 round scrims. Eventually, one clan will most likely improve enough that they CAN win the deciding round, and then it will be a win. You've gotta take either draws or what can often be very unrealiable wins.
Exactly. Who cares about wins? If clans are evenly matched, accept a draw. Why do you want a win so badly, Evlesoa?
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You are aware how much infinite stamina would unbalance the game, right? Try it.
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I'm in total agreement with Am|ne on the issue of having to achieve two wins in a row for the match to be called in your favor.
I'm iffy about a 45 minute timelimit as I think it will actually result in more ties, however it is something that could be tried.
I'm of the opinion that 102 bp should be used.
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Another exemple of the obsessional hatred only otherwise found in marriages gone sour.
Sorry, I just had to post this.
I've always played best 2 outta 3, and personally, its what as always been the best.
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@OP & community-at-large:
plz also post ur
*recommended* (no/some/infinite pun/irony/sarcasm intended/implied/understood)
a) number of players per team?
b) order of play (visitors are humans or aliens in first game)?
c) maps, first map, rotation, point at which rotation is restarted?
d) chat rules (spectators allowed/unmuted/muted/limited by edict)?
e) is there a setting to allow free-spec only?
f) does allowing playerspec increase that player's lag or not?
g) are demos requested/stored/viewed?
I always take that endgame screenshot that shows who won, and what my crappy score was. It allows me to remember who to thank that we won that time. Although I don't have a server and I don't scrim, I'm still interested. 'Cuz who knows, some day I might.
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Its still a half assed tie system...
No one is going to play for fking 8 hours because its a constant tie...
Its stupid. No.
Evlesoa, I found it quite fun when we scrimmed .zub 5 matches a few days ago. I'm all for this new system, because it prevents clans that are guests in servers from picking aliens first, and winning their 2 out of 3 and winning the match.
As long as I'm leader of -GH-, (Which will only be a week or so until Marijuana gets back) I will see that we use this system in scrims as much as possible. It's much more fair than the previous best 2 out of 3. Of course, it may take a while, but that's why you can say "Ok, we're X-Y and you guys get [Insert team here] next round, but we have to continue this later. It's So-and-So's advantage."
As for now, my posts represent the opinion of -GH-, only. Anyone else on -GH- is posting opinions based on what they personally feel. I don't want a bad rep to come to the clan because a few people mouthed off.
-Bull
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This type of match is endurance, not strength, and endurance is something that clans need. They need constant teamwork to pull off a win with aliens and then humans, or vice versa. They get the chance to find the enemy's weakness and exploit it more than once, they have to actually use tactics to make two consecutive wins.
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By endurance, you mean "more free time than the other team has." Playing a video game doesn't take endurance, it takes time. If people start slipping because they aren't in the game after 5 rounds, then its because the game is no longer any fun, and that defeats the whole purpose.
No way I'm playing more than three rounds.
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By endurance, you mean "more free time than the other team has." Playing a video game doesn't take endurance, it takes time. If people start slipping because they aren't in the game after 5 rounds, then its because the game is no longer any fun, and that defeats the whole purpose.
No way I'm playing more than three rounds.
If there was a Home/Away system, where Visitors always got Aliens first (to make up for home server advantage), the current best-of-three would suffice, because every clan would have a great Away record and a crappy Home record (and your road average would show how good you are at Aliens and your homefield average would show if you suck at Human or not). It sucks to lose on your own server, but it would be consistent. For any match to be declared valid, you have to play two matches against that clan, one Home and one Away (three times as Aliens and three as Humans). If you can win Home as well as Away, you are better than them. If you both win on the road, you're equally good at Aliens (and equally sucky at Humans). If you both win at home, you're equally good at playing on your own server.
Match 1: 3 games, ClanY server (map stays same)
Visitor (ClanX) Aliens - Home (ClanY) Humans
Visitor (ClanX) Humans - Home (ClanY) Aliens
Visitor (ClanX) Aliens - Home (ClanY) Humans
Match2: 3 games, ClanX server (same map)
Y=A; X=H
Y=H; X=A
Y=A; X=H
Record of two matches played on two servers is used to decide which clan is better; one match on one server insufficient. If they don't have a server, they have to be the Home team on your server, and start as Humans, for the second match (they don't get any real admin status, though).
What map, rotation (if any), how many players per team?
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This has not come up much for us. We usually win the first 2 rounds. Although it is really hard to beat aliens with 3 people. Mostly because someone must camp to keep aliens from owning your base. Goon owns 2 naked humans easy.
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@Player1 -
After every three rounds, there would be a recess untill the next day, or week. By endurance, I meant that the team would have to survive and win for two matches in a row. I'll quote myself here:
They need constant teamwork to pull off a win with aliens and then humans, or vice versa. They get the chance to find the enemy's weakness and exploit it more than once, they have to actually use tactics to make two consecutive wins.
I really don't think I can explain it any more then that. Earlier I made it seem as though I expected the match to go on constantly untill one team won twice, I didn't make it clear that there would be a recess after every 3 or so matches, continuing untill the next day, when the matches would continue from where they left off.
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@Bringer: Please delete one of the above posts. (How about the first one, rendered entirely redundant by it's inclusion in the second?) Also, please explicate, this sounds like a coattails reply. "Yeah, me too." Huh? Your comment to Ozzy sounds a little 20/20 hindsight. "Oh, what I meant was..."
@Ozzy: what do you think of a Home/Visitor system, where guests either always get Aliens first, or get to choose faction first, or get to choose the map, in which case home gets to choose which side to play as?
@Community-at-large: Team size? Map(s)? Rotation? Settings? Thx in advance for your non-flamey answers.
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Maps: Something with balance?
Usually atcs, tremor, or nano for me.
Player sizes: As many as each team can bring up but more than 2-3.
Oh unlag on is a needed, default BP settings I suppose. etc.etc.
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... dude, seriously... no1 is gonna spend 6 games just to win...
Its a big waste of time, when you could easily play 3 and call it a win...
Its BEST 2 out of 3, not BEST 2 CONSECUTIVE wins out of Infinity
You have time Evlesoa, all you do is run around and click mouse 1 to activate your bot. Not like your working hard or anything.
Now I've done a few scrims like this, one was 4 matches before a winner and another was 3. I do kind of like the idea because it prooves a clan must be good at both sides it makes a win seem much more like a win and not just a "we PWN at humans so lets go h first round" sortof deal. It doesnt matter whos a or h, but that you need to win both your a and h match in order for the win to count. It could get pretty long though. I say an improvised way to this to shorten it up would be first clan to win 2 games [in any order] 1 being humans and 1 being aliens wins the scrim.
Edit: Fuck what was I thinking there not point I can explain with a little table:
Match1 [T1=A][T2=H] T1 Wins
Match2 [T2=A][T1=H] T2 Wins
Match3 [T1=A][T2=H] T1 Wins
Match2 [T2=A][T1=H] T1 Wins
See there is no way that you can get 1 win of both without letting your opponent have 2 wins in a row. Damn, I thought I was onto something
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Flux you wrote 1-2-3-2...
I still think the best plan is best-of-3 on our server, best-of-3 on your server, visitors start as Aliens, home team picks settings. We have to play your clan twice to say who is truly better, or if we are both equally good (or bad). Simple.
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Flux you wrote 1-2-3-2...
I still think the best plan is best-of-3 on our server, best-of-3 on your server, visitors start as Aliens, home team picks settings. We have to play your clan twice to say who is truly better, or if we are both equally good (or bad). Simple.
So, what happens if the clan doesn't have a server? I think you're missing the point of why do 'win 2 in a row'. It's like having a drag race with another vehicle: just cause you can hit 60km/h first doesn't mean you win the race, switching gears gives you that extra push to win the race, just like you need that extra push to win twice in a row. There is just that much more thrill to it. Also, it doesn't go on to 'infinite', you can call it a draw if it doesn't end after 4 or 5 rounds.
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i dont know how to make a signature
n00b pl0x
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If there was a Home/Away system, where Visitors always got Aliens first (to make up for home server advantage), the current best-of-three would suffice, because every clan would have a great Away record and a crappy Home record (and your road average would show how good you are at Aliens and your homefield average would show if you suck at Human or not). It sucks to lose on your own server, but it would be consistent. For any match to be declared valid, you have to play two matches against that clan, one Home and one Away (three times as Aliens and three as Humans). If you can win Home as well as Away, you are better than them. If you both win on the road, you're equally good at Aliens (and equally sucky at Humans). If you both win at home, you're equally good at playing on your own server.
Record of two matches played on two servers is used to decide which clan is better; one match on one server insufficient. If they don't have a server, they have to be the Home team on your server, and start as Humans, for the second match (they don't get any real admin status, though).
km/h? Am|ne, where in the metric world are you?
@Anthony: :)