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Community => Off Topic => Topic started by: Plague Bringer on July 15, 2007, 09:25:41 pm
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It's better than DincoX's.
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It's better than DincoX's.
Better than SkyCastle too.
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It's better than DincoX's.
Better than SkyCastle too.
And what did I do to deserve that flame? You haven't heard from me for a few days, and you haven't seen or heard of any of my mapping projects in over a month. I'd appreciate it if you'd finally show some maturity and grow up. The fact that you are a moderator does not give you the right to blatantly flame and discriminate against me at every possible chance you get with no good reason, much less no reason at all.
This community's maturity, along with it's behaviour and manners is in a state of sever decay. Show some respect. Show some maturity. That goes out to all of us. Grow up. This community is horrible in comparison to that of some other games I play. I mean absolutely horrible, the mods are, for the most part, argumental and rude. So are most of the average forum goers. Don't even get me started on the state of the ingame community. Where's all the "gg"'s after a game? Tremulous is full of sore loosers, griefers and cheaters, not to mention the generally rude people.
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This community's maturity, along with it's behaviour and manors is in a state of sever decay. Show some respect. Show some maturity. That goes out to all of us. Grow up.
coming from a 14 yo spammer boy I am rolling on the floor laughing my ass off
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This community's maturity, along with it's behaviour and manors is in a state of sever decay. Show some respect. Show some maturity. That goes out to all of us. Grow up.
coming from a 14 yo spammer boy I am rolling on the floor laughing my ass off
Great, do you feel better now?
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This community's maturity, along with it's behaviour and manors is in a state of sever decay. Show some respect. Show some maturity. That goes out to all of us. Grow up.
coming from a 14 yo spammer boy I am rolling on the floor laughing my ass off
Great, do you feel better now?
I dont think stating the known facts make you feel better
so no
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It's better than DincoX's.
Better than SkyCastle too.
And what did I do to deserve that flame? You haven't heard from me for a few days, and you haven't seen or heard of any of my mapping projects in over a month. I'd appreciate it if you'd finally show some maturity and grow up. The fact that you are a moderator does not give you the right to blatantly flame and discriminate against me at every possible chance you get with no good reason, much less no reason at all.
This community's maturity, along with it's behaviour and manors is in a state of sever decay. Show some respect. Show some maturity. That goes out to all of us. Grow up. This community is horrible in comparison to that of some other games I play. I mean absolutely horrible, the mods are, for the most part, argumental and rude. So are most of the average forum goers. Don't even get me started on the state of the ingame community. Where's all the "gg"'s after a game? Tremulous is full of sore loosers, griefers and cheaters, not to mention the generally rude people.
http://www.quake3world.com - Now be quiet with "Immaturity" please.
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http://www.quake3world.com - Now be quiet with "Immaturity" please.
Lol. First post I clicked on turned into a flamewar in about 3 posts.
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Just venture in the void
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http://www.quake3world.com - Now be quiet with "Immaturity" please.
I could give you a list of forums the length of my arm that would make this place look like hell in comparison. Shall I?
You guys are seemingly so against spam, flaming, and the like, yet that's nearly all you do. Even player1 has succumbed to such behavior.
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You hurt me at my core thorn. Well no actually. LEM and T&T far surpass the help forums here while at q3w you have some interesting flamewars and chops every now and then.
From what I've seen here most members complain about the tiniest comment, have a truckload of hypocrisy on them at all times while making sure they don't need to burden themselves with intelligence or logic and far too few treat this forum for tremulous instead of a the weak interego community it has become in the last few months.
As for you plague bringer. You say
And what did I do to deserve that flame?
To which I say
It's better than DincoX's.
If you must call him on something don't do it on a veiled criticism that was actually justified and made fun of your comment because you did not do anything constructive with it.
Maturity doesn't come in a few months. It doesn't come in years and when I see this board I am sure it's far off for some of you. You have not acted mature in the past months and as such any ethical call from a supposed moral highground is a joke.
I also made the following statement quite clear a few months ago in another 'boo moderator' discussion.
As long as someone who is a Moderator does not use rights allotted only to Moderators he is effectively acting as a member and free to speak.
He flames you, and you flame other people. He can hardly discriminate since he has not used his moderation powers on you.
This community is in the state it is in because of people like you, who wanted to highlight the spam going on by becoming the biggest spammer and worsening the problem. When we called you on that you said you did it in good faith. But I say you were a pain in the ass and on occasion now still are.
You say the mods are for the most part argumental and rude. This is because we are an authority which is not considered as such by the members and they ask us to explain our actions. I did so on numerous occasions and still got doubted. As for rude, the only mod I can think of of falling completely in that category is Lava.
The rest of us is simply getting bored by the masses of people who think they are the bee's knees or other various areas of arrousment of this community. We are acting faster and without even bothering to justify our actions since you continue to doubt them after practically all our assumptions are proven correct. We would be within our limits to close and/or delete any and all cheat topics yet we let them go, knowing they will end up in a flamewar against evlesoa or null or providing references to the cheats. We, and I specifically warned numerous times against using the names of aimbots so that people at least couldn't find them that quickly. But the members continue to ignore it.
Every half-decent topic at start, will within 15 posts turn to respones containing waffles, rofl noob, ouch you burned me with that flame, why did/didn't the mods do anything about this or reference cheat sites.
There has been a request from someone who said the community wanted more moderators, but the fact is our team is large enough. We are about the only group that sticks to the rules, both those which apply to all and the minimum moderation rule we have to follow as moderators.
And you ask where have all the gg's gone? I say shite to that. I and many others will call it a good game when it was one. I hate it more when people say gg because 'it is the thing to do at the end'.
You are throwing hypocritical dungheaps around but the only thing you are hitting is the things you say you want cleaned.
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only one thing for it: gg
*dont take it so seriously, if you do just contribute to the perceived problem :roll:
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Since my debates and arguments in question are generally considered spam, shit, or useless, Im not even going to bother. The rules? If the rules allow everyone to blatantly flame with no (good) excuse (I'm talking about flaming Evlesoa in every legit topic he makes without him doing anything bad in a week), then the rules need reajusting. I was making a comment on DincoX's map, if you could call it that, because both maps are very similar in their lack of (good) texturing, and their emptyness, yet DincoX's is just a load of brushes, that makes it less (read: not) playable, which in turn, makes it worse. Skycastle had bad gameplay, but neither the aliens nor the alien base were in direct danger at stage one all the time, it also had textures, whereas Das Konstruckt has no textures, and is basically an empty box. Therefore, SkyCastle, however shitty a map it is, is better then (the publicly available) Das Konstruckt at this point in time.
True, maturity doesnt come in a few months (you're assuming, however, that the maturity hasn't been lying in wait to come out) neither does the intellegence to not feed trolls, which, I might point out, is what Lava (and his band of cretins, who, suprisingly, haven't been around telling us of any more of their "religious" clans [ look for a locked topic in Clans if you forget what I'm talking about]), Forqu3, and the rest troll feeding members of the community have been doing over the past few months.
Every half-decent topic at start, will within 15 posts turn to respones containing waffles, rofl noob, ouch you burned me with that flame, why did/didn't the mods do anything about this or reference cheat sites.
This is what I'm talking about, and if it's a flamewar, or all out spam, Lava will most likely join in, if only for a moment, to flame me, Evlesoa, or just to say something rude about a map or clan, without being constructive at all.
Also, about constuctiveness, where is it? How many moderators actually help people? I've seen you, Survivor, help people a lot, without being overly rude, or rude at all. I've seen Kevlarman occasionally offer a word of advice, or help with a technical problem, but that's it for the mods. In the community, Dracone helps whenever he can in my experience, I help with the topics I believe I can help figure out, or atleast apply a quick fix for, Player1 helps the newbies when he's not flaming Evlesoa for no apparent reason. Who else? I can't think of many other people, that being said, I haven't been around as much so I forgot who was helpful and flamey, not to mention I came back to almost every member of this community being assholes.
Indeed, my points seem hypocritical. Hell, from what you've learned from me they are, but dungheaps they are not. I have valid points, here. Yeah, I know. No one gives a fuck, no one cares, because you're closed minded, and always right. You're not open to the idea of being wrong, and you're sure as hell not open to the idea of me being right.
If you've taken the time to read that fully, which I highly doubt anyone has (why read if you can skip right to the flaming), then you should know what I mean by lack of maturity. I mean there's too much damned flaming for no reason, every thread turns into shitspam, barely anyone helps anyone else, and lastly, you're stuck up.
ps. By the "gg", I meant, there are no good games. There's always a sore looser, or worse, a sore winner. There's usually a feeder or deconner, and there's almost always some other form of griefer, whether that be an aimbotter, wallhacker or anything else you can imagine.
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post :( :evil: :evil: :evil:
i have to agree with you 90% plague. however, I have found tuple to be helpful as well, and lava gives help somewhere in the OMG UR NOOB post. I think the main problem is that the rules for the forum are EXTREMELY loose, and that the forum admins aren't allowed to ban people from the site. On the flaming part, it's called CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM people, as in, you point out what's wrong and offer help. However, when the map is as bad as the recent ones, there's not much that you can say thats constructive besides "don't have a map that's just one hollow brush.
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@OP: You succeeded in making a Matrix-like box. I personally thought the Matrix was shite, so I won't be playing this map. Mostly because it hurts my eyes. Glad you had fun with it, and it's way better than any map I never made.
@Plague Bringer: Your righteous indignation has reached epic proportions. Come back in off that windowsill and stop trying to best Lava & f0rqu3 at the sarcasm game. You're just making yourself madder. As far as the community goes, let me just paraphrase Theodore Sturgeon. 90% of the Tremulous community may be shit, but then 90% of everything is shit. Your youthful idealism was once refreshingly cute, like a happy bunny or a playful puppy. Your newfound jadedness is also cute, but more like a lonely weed growing up through cracked pavement in an abandoned lot full of wrecked cars. Oh and Good Flame! Now drink your Ovaltine and get some rest. Missing your nap has made you cranky.
P.S. Evlesoa deserves constant flaming, never doubt that. He's a fucking griefer, and a hacking loser, never forget it. Anytime he tries to insinuate himself into this community as some kind of useful member of society, remember that it's just a dodge to distract from that fact. Don't be taken in.
P.P.S. It's been at least a week since I did that, too. But who really gives a rat's ass?
P.P.S.S. How did I get singled out? Was I once the epitome of polite discourse?
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@Plague Bringer: Your righteous indignation has reached epic proportions. Come back in off that windowsill and stop trying to best Lava & f0rqu3 at the sarcasm game. You're just making yourself madder. As far as the community goes, let me just paraphrase Theodore Sturgeon. 90% of the Tremulous community may be shit, but then 90% of everything is shit. Your youthful idealism was once refreshingly cute, like a happy bunny or a playful puppy. Your newfound jadedness is also cute, but more like a lonely weed growing up through cracked pavement in an abandoned lot full of wrecked cars. Oh and Good Flame! Now drink your Ovaltine and get some rest. Missing your nap has made you cranky.
I lol'd.
So hard.
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@AKA - Damn, I forgot about Tuple completely. Flaming is only constructive when it's not 100% "Gtfo, you're fucking horrible, there's nothing you can do to improve." Which I see Lava saying, though not in those exact words, almost constantly. Lava dissed nearly every map in the "Random Dev. Shots" thread, after seeing only a screenshot or two. What, I ask, gives him the right to do such a thing. Lava almost never gives constructive criticism, but he always has something rude to say, and infact, he starts a lot of the large, extremely discriminatory arguments around here. Want an example?
How about three?
Here's some constant bashing of SST| by "creating" a fake server just to make fum of them:
http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4793&highlight=satgnu
Here's that bullshit "Moron Clan" that maci made, it had Lava's full support, dispite it's obvious discrimination. f0rqu3 was in on it too, I think it was then when he joined Lava & Co to start the endless flaming of me.
http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4671
Oh, look, here's Lava & Co in the original Mormon Clan thread!
http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4670
Here's some banning of Poland, now, mind you, while most people agreed with this act, it was completely and totally a discriminatory act, and I still don't believe it was (completely) necessary. Also, with Lava's (and Maci's, and Jhaar's) history of threads, this seems to be fairly.. well, contradictory to what Lava has said in his opening post.
http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4670
@Player1 - ORLY? I'm going to bounce around, picking at bits and pieces of your post randomly. I'm not trying to best Lava and f0rqu3, nor am I trying to be one of the largest pains in the ass any of you have ever encountered, but it seems that few of you notice how much this community as a whole is in need of some serious cleaning up. Perhaps I am but a simple weed trying to grow in a place where I feel as though I'm not wanted, where everything around me is attempting to hold me back, where few listen, but no one cares. It's not Ovaltine, it's Nyquil. Damn right I'm making myself, not so much madder, but more... determined, to get my point across. I'm going to be heard, but, more then that, I'm going to be listened to, before that 90% of this community convinces Timbo, or any other high admin here to give me a ban.
P.S. Player1, no one deserves the constant harrasment that you dish(ed) out on nearly a daily basis.
P.P.S. Lava & Co consists of Lava Croft, maci, jhaa, and f0rqu3. They had the support of sleekslacker aloth, though.
P.P.P.S. Here is a quote from a member of this community who wasn't very respected, but had his points. A lot like myself, I guess. This is concerning the Mormon clan. More important points are highlighted.
I personally disagree with a lot of Mormon doctirne, but it doesn't mean I'm going to be a fag about it like most of you guys have been.[/b] I mean seriously, he creates a clan based on NOT flaming/trash talking people, and what do you guys do?
-You flame his clan.
-You flame his religion.
-You flame his intelligence.
And half of the jerks doing the flaming are the same hypocrites who call everyone else on the forums trolls and flamewhores. Seriously, just leave the guy alone.[/color]
Don't be closeminded BIGOTS and flame Mormons if you have little or no idea wat their religious beliefs are, and more importantly if you have no idea what the OP's personal beliefs are. Liberal bigotry... oh the irony!
(Not really, actually. I find more open-minded people lean to the steriotypically 'closeminded' right.)
I could've easily highlighted the whole damned post, and for those of you who read it, you'll be able to see that.
We, the minority, have strong arguments and strong points that aren't being listened to. Open your minds, accept that for once we might just be right, and you might just be wrong. If you don't accept the fact that your minds are too narrow to understand some of the things that we do, then you would be a fool. We have, it's on you guys now.
You have to make the choice between the current state of this community, and a better one. One where there are stricter rules, where intense flames are siphoned off into another topic and locked. Where the moderators act like moderators, the people who are good rolemodels on how to be a good and respected forum member. Where everyone, along with their views is respected. A place where there isn't constant bitching and flaming of the underdogs by the people in power. A mature place. Tell me you think this is mature, and you'll be lying, either that, or you're not aware of the definition of mature.
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I split this topic since it brought rapha's off-topic. Note this thread should remain in mapping for a while since it's a relatively quiet place. Nearing it's conclusion I will move it to either off-topic or general discussion.
As the posts following mine.
Since my debates and arguments in question are generally considered spam, shit, or useless, Im not even going to bother.
I can honestly say I read every single post in a thread I reply to. Any and all arguments are read and weighed.
As to your comment on the two maps from the original topic. FCP is old, ancient and in it's first few alphas it didn't have any textures and generally it was liked. Das konstrukt was released to get ideas. You don't put in all the work to change them later on anyway. Especially when you're new.
People rarely learn and hardly listen. It's why it is like it is in the first place.
Read my previous comment about the moderator/member difference. Fact is he got voted in by the community and timbo followed their choice.
I am entirely open to being wrong, me and stof are those happy few i recognize admitting it. But I am rarely wrong, and when I am not certain I will usually keep my mouth shut.
A lot of mods help in one way or the other, but some are seen doing it more than others. But then again the mod's duty isn't to help in tremulous topics, it is to keep the board clean and within the rules. These rules have a limited flaming allowed policy which means I can not do anything about every small flame.
You can give links, point them to previous topics or point to people you know can help him. But do first read his question because often it isn't understood.
Player1, you started out as an inquisitive and friendly member. But you are leaning more and more to flaming.
About evlesoa, no he does not deserve constant flaming because YOU are DERAILING TOPICS by doing it. He deserves distrust.
Plague again, you the minority. No the minority here are the mods trying to keep the crowd in control with the restrictions put into place. You were not helping back then, and trying to sound allknowning now doesn't help. The best thing to do with my posts is read them through, thoroughly. Because as I've previously stated, and as you've commented, am rarely rude. But this also means I am less direct and less obvious in my intention. But it is always there. As stated we are restricted in our mod duties and cannot perform all-out clean up without losing our position.
Fact is people did get banned, you don't have to know who they were but certainly you can guess some. Fact is mods are restricted in their duties. Fact is mods are members too. As long as people do not break rules they do not get banned. Lava has yet to break a rule which some other members did as well without getting banned.
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I read your posts thouroughly, Survivor. Don't doubt that. You're one of the few members that hold my respect, though that doesn't matter much. While the Mods are only responsible for cleaning up the forum, they shouldn't be part of the problem. Sure, only a handfull help, that handfull being Tuple, you (Survivor), Caveman on occasion (in my opinion) and Stof (is he a mod?). However, instead of sitting around doing nothing but locking and siphoning threads, some (most) of the (other) mods are contributing to the problem. Those threads are examples of Lava Croft contributing to the problem on a large scale. Caveman has also been part of the problem in the past. And most of the other moderators have let flamewars go on for far too long.
No, I am the minority. I am virtually the only one who shares my opinion about this issue, and due to my bad reputation I gained from my time here, I have very little support, most likely because anyone who does agree with me wouldn't want to side with me for fear that I haven't changed my ways and will continue to troll.
+1 to the Player1 comment. As I said, no one deserves constant flaming. As Survivor said, he deserves distrust.
Now, these rules are a tad bit (read: really) loose. Lava has crossed countless lines, as have I, but, no rules have been broken on either of our parts as far as I know. Now, we have both had our share of violent arguments and flamewars, and somewhere in there, rules should have been broken. For both of us. The fact is, neither me, nor Lava, nor f0rqu3 or Player1 or Evlesoa or even KobraKaine are banned, and to me, that says that something is wrong with the rules. We all did things to deserve bans, I'm sure. My multiple account hoaxes, Kaine's PM to Caveman, f0rqu3, Lava and Player1's harrasment of other members, and Evlesoa being caught cheating, asking for cheats, or attempting to cheat on multiple occasions.
I just think that if this continues, then this community will die. The amount of rudeness on a daily basis, the legit topics being derailed withing a page, it needs to stop. It's gone on far too long. They need to be siphoned, deleted, edited, warned, whatever, it doesn't matter what you do, but you have to do something.
That being said, the only thing that will fix the maturity problem of a few select members on this forum is bans, but then again, flaming without reason, attempting to start arguments for no goddamned reason, and being stubborn beyond belief is not breaking any rules, hell, it's not even reason for a warning around here, is it?
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Nope, it's not.
@Survivor: me am contrite.
@Seffy: :)
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yadadadadada *text that has a couple of good points but is still useless*
Even if something there is right, that text is completely useless. Why?
You have no power of any kind in these kind of things (well maybe you had a little bit in the moderator poll) and due to that, your posts just cause more flame/shit/ponies. If you really want to change this community, climb the ladder, get a iron grip of this community. Power! Change things by doing it and not talking about some utopy.
Otherwise just shut up, be a nice forum member who helps and comments *normal* threads and avoid these kinds of threads. Otherwise you'll just make this place burn harder
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How do you suggest I accomplish such a thing?
1. I am disliked by a large portion of this community.
2. No one would ever believe that I have moved on from spamming.
3. I am not, and most likely never will be, a moderator. Therefore I will have absolutely no power over what get locked, and who gets banned. Ever.
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it's that kind of defeatist thinking that made you what you are today...
what happened to your sense of humor?
you used to be more fun...
plus, you never take me anywhere anymore...
P.S. u were all flaming the crap out of each other nicely long before I got here (my 1st encounter with pl0x was him telling me to sort by ping and STFU, when the Mac client doesn't do that as a default; and now we're bazoom buddies)
embrace the other
love ur detractors
don't take urself so flamin' seriously
RANT/TROLL/FLAME:
also, anyone who has never actually played a game with Evlesoa can STFU; u have no idea what a griefing whiner he is; I reached out to the dude by PMing him several times, (just like I reached out to pl0x, and Bringer, and anyone who seemed like they needed a virtual pat on the back); only to be repeatedly kicked in the teeth; the few times I flamed him recently were when he put up devil/oblivion to accuse zubs of hacking, for which he richly deserved, and GOT, major flamage; did they ever post a demo? NO! again, STFU... how is flaming a lying hacker a bad thing? that's why Timbo allows it; if he had proof he would've produced it; bite me...
show me where I derailed a thread; loose generalizations are meaningless; Bringer don't try to tar me with your brush; leave me out of your "woe is me/I'm so emo/the world sucks/this community no longer meets my schoolboy idealist standards" little whinefest
plz move this to off-topic, where all such "the sky is falling" topics belong
obviously, Bringer, you have little real life experience or real internet experience to expect everything to be a lovely bed of roses
people who can code may get respect, and so may people who can map, as well as people who can play, but I can still type circles around you any old day...
END of RANT/TROLL/FLAME
no disrespect meant to Survivor or any other reasonable person with realistic expectations of electronic interface between faceless entities
I <3 u all
stop being so sensitive to what someone is typing thousands of miles away
my voice shall be heard from this wilderness, and I shall be delivered from this fetid and festering sewer
(in best Charles Emerson Winchester voice (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ8WwcO-Kv8))
I think he's starting to get the hang of this place.
waitaminute: this whole thing started when Bringer dissed Dino but couldn't take it when Lava did the same thing to him...
what a baby :roll:
let me call whine-one-one and get you a waaahmbulance...
I'd love to keep pushing that big button on ur forehead that sez "EASY", but the Daily Show is on and that's even funnier than this is...
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maci and I did not restart SatGNU as a big server to piss off SST. We don't care about SST, just as we don't care about any other server. We did not mean to ridicule or piss off SST, we just wanted some mindless Tremulous gaming while maci was visiting me.
Currently, we have 18 open slots and 8 private slots, hardly a 'SST-style' server.
I do not start, nor do I support those threads maci makes in the Clans forum. I actually locked 1 or 2 of his threads there, but this doesn't mean I don't think they are somewhat funny, certainly when reading all the reactions to it.
We actually re-banned Poland last week, after a period of not having them banned. This is not discriminatory, we just want peace on our porch, so we remove the rotten apples by unrooting the entire tree. This is and never will be the business of anyone but maci, me and the Polish people who got screwed over by the lamer minority.
Maps that are good get my praise.
Maps that are bad get my flame.
If you are not willing to believe or accept this, then start off by naming me any good maps that I have flamed.
Or, the other way around, make me a list of all the crappy maps I have flamed.
After you have done that, you will probably not come to the conclusion you are making a priceless fool out of yourself with this somewhat over-emotional ranting here, because it looks like I am nothing short an obsession for you. If you take the plane and come to my place, I might let you suck my penis.
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True, maturity doesnt come in a few months (you're assuming, however, that the maturity hasn't been lying in wait to come out)
A child will eventually grow to be mature. In that sense maturity can be said to be lying in wait, awaiting the maturity of the child. However, there is not a full well of maturity that someone draws very little from, with the rest "lying in wait". You are either mature or you are not. Those of us that are mature understand that being immature on occasion is a part of maturity, and also that showing spikes of maturity on occasion is a part of immaturity. If you do not understand my poor description of what I am talking about, you are very likely not mature yet. If you are over 25 and don't understand, I envy you :D
Often the people who make accusations of close mindedness the most are those who cannot understand why others will not conform to their narrow view.
Their are other lines of communication for members of the tremulous community. That you do not see moderators being helpful here does not mean that they are not helpful, or even more helpful than the rest of us moderators. Accusing community members of some behavior in this forum while being wholly unaware of what occurs within the other community forms of communication is a perfect example of close mindedness.
Community Moderators have a vested interest in improving the quality of these boards. It is not because they are moderators though. Moderator or not, I would still be reading these forums regularly. No, Mods have an interest in the betterment of the forums for the exact same reason that any longstanding member of the community has. We will be here tomorrow and if we can make tomorrows boards just a little bit better then we are only helping ourselves and the friends we have made here.
now, STFU ALL U NOOBS! :-P
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If you take the plane and come to my place, I might let you suck my penis.
I LOL'd
might? :-P
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This thread has gone on long enough. Yes some of the posts have good reasons and flesh out details, but it seems to be going in circles, restating the same ideas over and over again.
Unless you can prove the need for such a topic, it should be locked.
Any of the other mods are welcome to post their opinions concerning a lock for this topic.
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Paradox, first show me the rule which justifies a close of this topic.
A move I can understand but it's nice and quiet in here before we release it to the horde by moving it out to off-topic or general discussion.
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oh, look the forum survived... :roll: :P :D
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oh, look the forum survived... :roll: :P :D
The question is:
Did Plague Bringer save the forum?
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HELP FORQUE
we need forque to teach these noobs how to fight with small posts
i didnt read any of these, too long :-?
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HELP tehOen
we need tehOen to teach these noobs how to fight with small posts
I fixed it for you!
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Thank you for proving the points in my main post, pl0x, and then Lava. :roll:
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Paradox, first show me the rule which justifies a close of this topic.
A move I can understand but it's nice and quiet in here before we release it to the horde by moving it out to off-topic or general discussion.
We are to lock flamewars and topics that seem hopelessly off topic.
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This topic is wholly on topic with the exception of lava and plox's 2 posts. And there have been virtually no flames which can be considered inflamatory.
Then explain to me why this topic falls under your attention and none of the obvious others do? Are you annoyed it is in a place where people can actually have a semi serious conversation?
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foooo
:D now you can lock it paradox and feel yourself useful
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oh, look the forum survived... :roll: :P :D
The question is:
Did Plague Bringer save the forum?
I thought u meant by not posting for several days.
Oh, yes, he is t3h h3r0. Reformed spamz0r turns around entire community by providing gracious example of proper forum behavior which rapidly spreads like wildfire. And a fine good day to you sir.
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I wish.
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The problem with most members here is they care more about the name next to the post instead of the post's contents itself. And there are of course some 'disturbances' like vcxzet and the like hanging around who enter topics and post things concerning members replying to the topic instead of the topic subject.
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replying to the topic instead of the topic subject.
o_O
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Quote the word before it as well and shove off, vcxzet. I have a lot of patience but you're not getting that from me. Go spoil some topic in the modding forum where my knowledge is barely adequate or defile another aimbot topic.
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The problem with most members here is they care more about the name next to the post instead of the post's contents itself. And there are of course some 'disturbances' like vcxzet and the like hanging around who enter topics and post things concerning members replying to the topic instead of the topic subject.
I (try) to read the post before the name of the poster, that way my reply isn't biased by my past experiences with said poster. That being said, no one can do that all the time, but I find that even the people who I consider idiots (myself included -.-) have some good points every now and them, and I'd rather take the points for what they are, not who posted them. I find that few people completely ignore the post if they see who posted it has a bad reputation, the only person who I can think of offhand who uses the user's reputation rather then what he wrote to make his next post is (and I invite him to come and defend himself) tehOen.
@tehOen - Yeah, I think he pretty much cleared it up, but just because there's a topic with the title "Aimbot strikes _insert_server_here_", it doesn't mean people won't start talking about what they had for supper last night withing 15 posts, and vcxzet (currently f0rqu3) is normally the one to encourage such off topic discussion. Damned if one of us hasn't done it once, but it happens(/ed) alot.
@anyone else who wants to take a part in this flameless set of debates (damn that's a long name) - Open for discussion/debate: does f0rqu3 only have his decent reputation because of TremX? If he hadn't created that mod, would he be as disliked as I?
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Why look at the names at all? I generally only look if its a good / bad post.
I generally use sigs as the primary form of identifying posters.
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Well, how do you tell if it's a good or bad post before you look at it. You can assume, by looking at the signature, postcount, or name of poster, but untill you look at the post and read it all the way through, you do not know whether it is good or bad.
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@anyone else who wants to take a part in this flameless set of debates (damn that's a long name) - Open for discussion/debate: does f0rqu3 only have his decent reputation because of TremX? If he hadn't created that mod, would he be as disliked as I?
wow f0rqu3 has decent reputation? are you joking ?
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He's respected, at least.
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*n00b pl0x watches plague bringer stroke forque's di...ego.
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i prefer to read the name first, knowing how i feel about the person (as in, pl0x suggesting everyone stop spamming rather than survivor or one of the helpful people) This only really matters if the guy is a flamer or a troll, otherwise i take it seriously. my hate is usually reserved more for spammers (quote me, i don't care) and the ones who have contributed little or nothing to the communtity. especially the ones that piss me off, or have never tried to have any meaning in their posts.
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:D
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Why is this even in the "Mapping Questions" forum???
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its a split that originally started in a mapping questions thread but was split because of the extreme offtopicness and long posts
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@Bringer - Oh, how this whole discussion reminds me of The Comics Journal forums: numerous sock puppets, multiple accounts well-known and tolerated by moderators, people who constantly "quit" "the scene" "forever" and come back under another alias one whole day later, creators/contributors/artists whose shenanigans are tolerated because of their "contributions" to the "scene", average users who get pissed off by the well-tolerated spammers/trolls/aliaswhores/sock-puppets and try to emulate/chastise/rehabilitate them, and etc.
It's the same old brand new Internet, and these same "issues" have been discussed at many "community" venues ad infinitum. These scenarios are only new to you if you are new to the web. Otherwise they are tired old nags whose corpses have already been flogged beyond recognition. So forgive us if we don't take the end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it hyperbole too seriously. The same thing goes on everywhere that people get to be anonymous jerkoffs by hiding behind a made-up name and communicating by keyboard. Every game I've ever played had the same "concerns" about the "state" of discussion, and the "level" of debate.
Ah, to be fresh, dewy, and hopefully expectant in regards to the potentialities of other humans (let alone one's future self).
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Edited for relevance.
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It's the same old brand new Internet, and these same "issues" have been discussed at many "community" venues ad infinitum. These scenarios are only new to you if you are new to the web. Otherwise they are tired old nags whose corpses have already been flogged beyond recognition. So forgive us if we don't take the end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it hyperbole too seriously. The same thing goes on everywhere that people get to be anonymous jerkoffs by hiding behind a made-up name and communicating by keyboard. Every game I've ever played had the same "concerns" about the "state" of discussion, and the "level" of debate.
Ah, to be fresh, dewy, and hopefully expectant in regards to the potentialities of other humans (let alone one's future self).
To some extent we should be able to control as to maintain an acceptable level.
We have a large enough mod team, the problem is that should the admins decide to go after the troublemakers by now we would be banning >50% of the board's active members. And they would just come back like vcxzet did numerous times.
And the only ones that can ban are the admins, not the moderators. As such it's very easy to evade or overwork mod control if you're determined and know how to.
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Are you implying that vcxzet was banned numerous times? If so, that's probably reason for a permaban of his IP, and if it's dynamic, a range ban, given no one else is in his range.
If a ban of 50% would help, I'm all for it. It's really pissing me off when I come here every day to see the same idiots whacking off and getting some shits and giggles from flaming, derailing threads, watching flamewars and not locking them when they get out of hand, letting trolls who obviously don't even play the game, *coughpolishfarmerboycough* ruin legit threads without siphoning them, etc.
Edit: On a side note, how many people have n00b pl0x on their shitlist? I mean, is it just me or is he getting really annoying with all his clone threads and other assorted shitspam?
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You know, if 50% get banned, your in that 50%.
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Are you implying that vcxzet was banned numerous times? If so, that's probably reason for a permaban of his IP, and if it's dynamic, a range ban, given no one else is in his range.
nah I changed my email and quit. just banned once. and while they are at range ban they should also ban proxies.
and you are such a retarded spammer. you are the last person to talk about the state of this forum. you are the no.1 ruiner in this forum.
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Yes david, I'm aware of that. If you haven't noticed, I haven't been spamming, and as such am trying to get out of that 50%.
tehOen, grow up, seriously. You have always had something against me, before I started my trolling. Seriously, you are the retarted spammer here. You are the last person to talk about the state of this forum because I am the one taking steps in attempt to redeem myself. Also, if you were banned once, for good reason, and came back, then you are technically evading a ban. Which is reason for another ban. Also, you're constantly creating new accounts, and for what purpose? To hide your identity when you think people are getting sick of you?
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Edit by Survivor: This is the exact reason why some topics go to hell. Quit attacking members and start discussing with real points instead of the shit that I edited out here.
A bunch of quotes contributing nothing to the topic and only mocking someone's history is a foul way of arguing and derailing in any discussion.
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tehOen, grow up, seriously. You have always had something against me, before I started my trolling. Seriously, you are the retarted spammer here. You are the last person to talk about the state of this forum because I am the one taking steps in attempt to redeem myself. Also, if you were banned once, for good reason, and came back, then you are technically evading a ban. Which is reason for another ban. Also, you're constantly creating new accounts, and for what purpose? To hide your identity when you think people are getting sick of you?
lol you need to pay me to use my own words. You are a 14 years old lifeless, nonsense spammer you need to accept that fact. XD
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Edit by Survivor: This is the exact reason why some topics go to hell. Quit attacking members and start discussing with real points instead of the shit that I edited out here.
A bunch of quotes contributing nothing to the topic and only mocking someone's history is a foul way of arguing and derailing in any discussion.
but what these guys are having is a serious discussion :roll:
repost it and see what the "community" thinks :D
slandering someone by removing a post and putting in your interpretation of it is a "foul way of arguing" :P
besides, that was funny as shit ;)
at least PM it 2 pl0x so he can laugh :)
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Grow up and quit derailing topics by attacking the people posting instead of the opinions they post. Stating their hypocrisy once I can understand but again and again makes you a part of the problem. And those quotes added nothing but fouling up the page. Post them again if you must but at least make them the smallest font. And after that don't attack people directly.
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Grow up and quit derailing topics by attacking the people posting instead of the opinions they post. Stating their hypocrisy once I can understand but again and again makes you a part of the problem. And those quotes added nothing but fouling up the page. Post them again if you must but at least make them the smallest font. And after that don't attack people directly.
those weren't even attacks :-?
I just summarized the salient points for pl0x :D
I'm too lazy to repost :roll:
admit it you laughed :)
repost it here size 9 :P
sorry to bug you when f0rqu3 is trying so hard to get your attention :roll:
we have radically differing views on humor :eek:
<3 @ modz :oops:
lava would've laughed :D
f0rqu3 is ur favorite aww :cry:
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Then again, lava isn't me and vcxzet is once again having one of his periods. So let's get back on topic. And there is a difference between humorous pimples and pestering boils.
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re:
i didnt read any of these, too long :hrm:
State of the Thread, 4 t3h youtube generation
me am depressed
but y?
jab poke
lol
bla
cut the crap, kidz
hrm bla lol
what about my problemz?
me am contrite
nyaah-hah
u guyz r not funny... i repeat :hrm:
:raspberry: i'm back! now i quit again!
The above is not meant to be inflammatory, deragotory or ruin Survivor's day in any way. The names of the otherwise anonymous parties have been replaced, to further anonymize them, at mod request.
Now plz move it to Off-Topic or General Discussion, where it belongs. It sullies up the Mapping Forum by it's very presence. Or at least rename it Survivor's Soapbox or Bringer vs. f0rqu3: Pointless/Counterpointless.
I made a new one. The other will just have to be a great, lost, masterpiece in the art of long-distance ego-deflation. Great artists never repeat themselves, even bullshit artists.
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solution -> kill the forums -> ???? -> salvation free for everyone
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What about the guys that only reply with images? Don't we get any love, player1? :(
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Having had read this thread, I wish to point out a few things:
1.I certainly agree that Player1 has changed.
I remember introducing him to these forums some time ago.
Judging from what ive seen the recent month or two, he has changed into a flamer and general pseudo-L33T character.
It pains me to say this - I dont like insulting people - even less those who I helped find their way around the forums, but he seems to have turned into a e-yob.
2.I certainly should fix my ways of flaming Evelesoa (still cant spell the name, apologies :-? ).
He is a (alleged) hacker/cracker/whatever, but he doesnt deserve constant flaming from me. Even less so from me when I like to view myself as a more helpful member of the community.
3.Ive become aware that I am not the only person who has noticed this community has become more and more unhelpful and rude.
It seems the communty has split into two halves - the friendly and helpful, and the spamful and spiteful.
This is a depressing fact which will, as stated before, probably lead to the death of the forums.
4.My anger at the Polish ban on SatGNU has unearthed again. Sure, like stated in many places, its their server, so they can do it, but I still find it highly offensive regardless. Even more so since im Polish (Yes, there was a Polish guy often on the SatGNU server for the past month ! OMG ! ONOZ !). I still dont understand the ban though - while I have seen a few annoying Polish, ive seen the number of annoying people pretty much well spread across countries - Chat spamming Spaniards, teamkilling Americans, whining French, ive seen 'em all - while perhaps the amount of griefing Polish is perhaps a few percent higher than from other countries, it is in no way highly significant.
Besides, many Polish get pretty crap pings this side of Europe - they are next to Russia.
5.I realise I have a tendancy of starting sentences with 'I', and somewhat repetative use of the word 'friendly'. im working on this though :wink:
I just thought I would get...'involved' in this discussion in light of the recent circumanstances.
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@A_Total_Noob: i always liked u <3 (u scare me sometimez, but thatz kewl)
i thought u guyz had a much better/broader/deeper/weirder sense of humor, parody, satire, sarcasm and general "who gives a LOL?", being gamerz and all
my bad
again, me am contrite
srsly
Cheers!
Tremulous, like life, is what u make it...:P :D :) 8)
-let's all hold hands & sing-
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@A_Total_Noob: i always liked u <3 (u scare me sometimez, but thatz kewl)
i thought u guyz had a much better/broader/deeper/weirder sense of humor, parody, satire, sarcasm and general "who gives a LOL?", being gamerz and all
my bad
again, me am contrite
srsly
Cheers!
Tremulous, like life, is what u make it...:P :D :) 8)
-let's all hold hands & sing-
Oh no, no I feel guilty for what I posted :(
I do have the sense of humour, but its the type of humour a mod usually has, heh heh heh.
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There is only way to clean this community, by throwing more petrol to the vicious flames of this forum and letting it consume itself to the point where it no longer exists. Only then, after a complete purge of impurity, can this community raise and shine again like fenix bird from the ashes!
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Ergo -> everyone, please die.
I'm begging you.
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I believe a_total_noob just owned this topic.
The end, you all got own't.
All he says is true too...
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every time you post, your sig owns your post, and yourself
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:o
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<3 (http://cat-photos.atspace.com/images/two_cute_kittens_sleep.jpg)
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...i sense a lock
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MY LOCKY SENSE IS TINGLING!
I really dont know where to stand on this:
1. I agree that the forum has become a complete pisswhole, and that people should stop pisswhole-ing it.
2. Imposing rules on what people post would just be no fun, no Forum Nazis plz.
We need a fun, friendly but free forum, not a pisswhole.
Its just getting the right balance is the hard thing.
I dunno, if you think about what Ive said, it can give you a headache
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post :( :evil: :evil: :evil:
and that the forum admins aren't allowed to ban people from the site.
Why are they not allowed to ban people? It's technically their forum, they can do what ever the fuck they want to. Well I believe it is Timbo's forum since he is members number one, but anyone with admin has access to ban I believe.
I can't believe I never saw this topic.