Tremulous Forum
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: benmachine on August 10, 2007, 02:38:39 am
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Here's the deal: I post a screenshot, you get me a demo of how I did it.
Challenge 1:
http://www.bandstand.org.uk/~benm/trem/engineer-challenge/01/winners.xhtml
Challenge 2:
http://www.bandstand.org.uk/~benm/trem/engineer-challenge/02/winners.xhtml
And number 3:
(http://www.bandstand.org.uk/~benm/trem/engineer-challenge/03/screenshot.jpg)
or if that's not clear enough you can have three (http://www.bandstand.org.uk/~benm/trem/engineer-challenge/03/screenshot2.jpg) additional (http://www.bandstand.org.uk/~benm/trem/engineer-challenge/03/screenshot3.jpg) angles (http://www.bandstand.org.uk/~benm/trem/engineer-challenge/03/screenshot4.jpg)
Get that set up in stage 1, with no more than 100 bp and standard gravity, speed settings etc. Markdecon is not allowed.
I'd like you to name your demo [yourforumusername].dm_69 or similar, so it's easy to keep track of whose it is. The relevant commands are:
/record benmachine.dm_69
/stoprecord
Once you have your demo, you can get it to me via a number of ways:
- www.mercenariesguild.net/files
- e-mail (although I will only give you my address if I trust you)
- anything else you can work out (like putting it in a pk3 and hosting it on a server?)
PM me with your entry, do not post it in this thread. I will add you to a list of people who have completed to the challenge, but we don't want to go spoiling it for everyone else now do we?
The winners get a prize of some kind, whatever I can assemble at short notice.
Challenge 3 has been extended a bit - because it is the hardest and because I was kind of late setting it up - into the middle of next week. I entend to have number 4 up by Wednesday.
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Cheater.
Just for you (http://betaserv.tk/gallery/e7f4b0f1be3cfd7b401af07b385748b5270d9b16), khalsa.
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First one done!
I win!
I want 2 cookies since you made me delete my first wining post since you ninja-edited the rules!!!
Khalsa
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Sounds like a lot of fun!
Umm, whats the command for marked decon? :oops:
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Private Message Sent
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Got it, PM sent.
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khalsa, Fluxflashor and next_ghost added the the completed list.
Guys, if you go and get lakitu7's QVM and put it in the appropriate place, you get instant building in devmap... anything that obviously could be reproduced in normal Tremulous is allowed.
YourMama: you can't use it anyway, so why ask? :P but it's g_markDeconstruct 1, if you have the right QVM.
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Done. PM sent.
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Done as well. Sent a PM.
-Bull
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r_gamma 0
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Received and verified from Bullislander05, Delvin, and Vector_Matt.
One of whom demonstrated an original way of solving the problem oh which I had not though :o and must now test
r_gamma 0
Being able to see is for pansies.
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Nice idea, keep these challenges coming(maybe even make new kinds of challenges : o)
PM sent
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Received and verified from Bullislander05, Delvin, and Vector_Matt.
One of whom demonstrated an original way of solving the problem oh which I had not though :o and must now test
After the contest is over please let us know who solved it in an original way, and allow us to see the demo of it and a "normal" one.
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I'll release all of your demos and mine at the end, unless anyone objects (and if you do, you probably shouldn't have sent it to me :P )
Received and verified from Iltama (althouhg :o dm_70)
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khalsa, Fluxflashor and next_ghost added the the completed list.
Guys, if you go and get lakitu7's QVM and put it in the appropriate place, you get instant building in devmap... anything that obviously could be reproduced in normal Tremulous is allowed.
YourMama: you can't use it anyway, so why ask? :P but it's g_markDeconstruct 1, if you have the right QVM.
If I knew we were allowed to use devmap I would have used my clan server for this challenge since we run Lakitu of there :( I wasn't sure if we were allowed to use quickbuild so I didn't want to chance it.
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Done it, I'll pm the demo soon.
Here's another:
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1018/1073644258_2f4f23a300_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/10974774@N00/1073644258/)
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Here is a better one:
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/162/394697443_0b376934cd_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/paradox460/394697443/)
Dont click the image, it takes you to a flickr page, due to their TOS
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Would be cool, but i can do more in the time finding it and getting more than a cookie hehe:D
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Here is a betterer one:
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1235/1075261252_717a4c236c_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/10974774@N00/1075261252/)
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good idea for a competition, imo.
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Taiyo.uk: heh, someone sent me a demo for that by accident :P still haven't got your demo, by the way.
Your latter imge can no longer be reproduced, though - that bug has been fixed somewhat. Paradox's is more like it but it's also boring :P I mean, anyone can build on a box. I'm looking for creativity here, and lateral thinking. That kind of stuff, not exploits.
Today I discovered a third challenge to go in the pipeline - and it is a cunning one.
Terribly...
...cunning.
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khalsa, Fluxflashor and next_ghost added the the completed list.
Guys, if you go and get lakitu7's QVM and put it in the appropriate place, you get instant building in devmap... anything that obviously could be reproduced in normal Tremulous is allowed.
YourMama: you can't use it anyway, so why ask? :P but it's g_markDeconstruct 1, if you have the right QVM.
I asked because it was turned on for me and was quite annoying, not just for this challenge.
PM sent.
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Nux, you sneaky bastard :P
I'll allow that one, but from now on you may not connect more than ne client to the server to complete the challenge :P
although granger towers are decidedly awesome.
Nux and YourMama received, verified.
edit: Nux's second demo received and verified properly this time :P
/dev/humancontroller... that overmind jump looks suspicious, but I'm going to let this slide because it would've been so easy for you to get up there anyway.
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Today I discovered a third challenge to go in the pipeline - and it is a cunning one.
Terribly...
...cunning.
Third :-? ? We haven't even finished the first one :eek: . Well, the more the better I guess.
EDIT: I think I just figured out what the "very original" way of doing it was, must go test it and use it in the other challenges.
EDIT # 2: It works. :evilgrin:
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I sent my proper solution straight after the sneaky one ^^
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Today I discovered a third challenge to go in the pipeline - and it is a cunning one.
Terribly...
...cunning.
Third :-? ? We haven't even finished the first one :eek: . Well, the more the better I guess.
EDIT: I think I just figured out what the "very original" way of doing it was, must go test it and use it in the other challenges.
Third because I like to plan ahead :> they are quite hard to come by, so I made sure I had one or two spare before starting the challenge.
And I didn't say it was "very" original, it was just another method of doing it which had not ocurred and I did not expect to work.
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And I didn't say it was "very" original, it was just another method of doing it which had not ocurred and I did not expect to work.
Right, my mistake.
I think I do know a VERY original way of doing it though, but it might be the same type of thing as Nux's sneaky one. Hmmm...
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(http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/5669/shot0006zt0.jpg)
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demo uplded
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Got it, verified it. Although I'm suspicious of how you managed to call up an overmind blueprint while the old one was still alive, it was ultimately of no consequence.
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We had to get 2 eggs up there, or is Puma showing off ?
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We had to get 2 eggs up there, or is Puma showing off ?
100 eggs.
Got it, verified it. Although I'm suspicious of how you managed to call up an overmind blueprint while the old one was still alive, it was ultimately of no consequence.
Will ask somebody to transfer...
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Are Paradox's and Taiyo's pictures actualy challenges or just....something else :?
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They're just bbox-drawmodel displacement bugsploits.
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Bah, and I thought I was cool for figuring out how to put an egg in S1 on top of the box in default alien base on Karith.
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I know the answer:
`
/god
/noclip
And Hi-Ho theyre off!
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pm sent!
(http://myskitch.com/akanotu/shot0091.jpg-20070811-213854.jpg)
you too taiyo!
(http://myskitch.com/akanotu/shot0091.jpg-20070811-214827.jpg)
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i have one for you
(http://myskitch.com/akanotu/shot0092.jpg-20070811-220020.jpg)
winners:
patriotpie
yourmama
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20 minutes into Monday. PM'd. :O
I'll try your challenge next, AKAnotu
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20 minutes into Monday. PM'd. :O
I'll try your challenge next, AKAnotu
Should've specified UTC I guess ;) it's still Sunday where I am
Everyone: you have until I post in this thread again, which will not be for at least 9 and a half hours but could be any time after that.
Verified AKAnotu and patriotpie.
Also thanks to nux and puma for sending me some nice ideas for future challenges. Feel free to send me them, anyone, and I will consider them for inclusion. I'm still not entirely sure which idea I'm going to use for the next challenge, it may well be one of yours :)
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Double post, so sue me.
And... it's over!
Due to the large number of images, links et al I've assembled a webpage detailing the results, distributing cookies (and one gold star) and linking everyone's demo.
Cookie stocks ran low towards the end of the entries, so I'm afraid not all of you got a whole one. Such is life! Get in quicker next time.
http://www.bandstand.org.uk/~benm/trem/engineer-challenge/01/winners.xhtml
And for the next challenge, I'm bringing out the big guns:
(http://www.bandstand.org.uk/~benm/trem/engineer-challenge/02/screenshot.jpg)
Go!
Note: you are only allowed 100BP, so you must leave no buildables behind elsewhere. You need not replicate the base exactly, but I require that all thoes buildables be present somewhere near where they are at least.
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my use of layout? it was just me and some other guy fooling around on layout and i saved it, wich i shouldn't have :(
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my use of layout? it was just me and some other guy fooling around on layout and i saved it, wich i shouldn't have :(
You did the challenge in layout edit mode, that's what I meant. But like I said, it doesn't matter.
I should update the first post I guess.
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Heh, now if only I could eat that cookie. Second one done :D
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done!
(http://myskitch.com/akanotu/shot0095.jpg-20070813-163834.jpg)
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Great! Looking forward to trying this one out.
By the way, my name is Bull Islander. The town I live in is nicknamed Bull Island, so naturally I'm a Bull Islander. =)
-Bull
*Edit: Any stage limits in this challenge? I'm assuming you're limiting to stage 1 humans, because a jetpack would solve this easily.
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*Edit: Any stage limits in this challenge? I'm assuming you're limiting to stage 1 humans, because a jetpack would solve this easily.
Yup, same rules. Probably most of my bases are going to be s1, because the movement tools of s2 on both teams are just too powerful to make anything difficult.
And Bull Islander... can't believe I missed that combination :P excuse my insatiable curiousity.
Initial impressions, by the way, appear to be that this is a lot easier than I thought :( there are at least two shortcuts of which I wasn't aware. Finding difficult problems is harder than it seems I guess.
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stupid fat hobbit! your ruining it
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>_>
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get rid of teh quote then benmachine
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I'm not doing this one until someone fixes that damn clipping bug on that light where I'm supposed to build 5 turrets. :roll:
BTW, the PK3 was a cheap excuse for zipping the demo.
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There's whole areas of transit you can walk through, jetpack through, see through... it patently wasn't designed with jetpackers/wallwalkers/pouncers in mind.
If you're really having trouble, I suggest building a medistat to stand on while you place the turrets, and when necessary only walking along the edges of the light.
I had intended to let this challenge run til Friday, but it doesn't seem to be going so well so I'll probably post a new one on Wednesday or Thursday.
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I figured it out last night in about 5 minutes, but it was already past midnight and after a long day I needed to go to bed. So my demo will have to wait until later this afternoon.
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ben, the reason you didn't see much building, because
1. I don't know what you want untill you tell me. I kept away from the time-consuming boring videos.
2. I've made the least building needed to build an egg there, just as if I were in a real game, where building speed is important.
3. I thought the placement was strict, that is, in your demo you rebuilt the overmind, I didn't.
So please stock up another cookies for me next time.
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So please stock up another cookies for me next time.
Sorry Spiders, I'm running out, so you get the other half of /dev/humancontroller's cookie, even though you built like eight eggs - get there quicker next time! It's the larger half though:
forget it controller, i am not giving back my half of the cookie!
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First of all, I made the "prize" intentionally worthless so that people wouldn't whine if they didn't get one. I am guilty of blatant favouritism but it doesn't matter because all you got was a little jpeg anyway.
What I didn't like about your demo is that I didn't see how you built all those buildings - just how you used them in the end. This is a building competition, not a jumping on buildings competition.
The fact was, I only bought one packet and I wanted to give a whole one to Puma because he sent me a bunch of other useful stuff. I already spent 59p on you ungrateful bastards and I am not spending any more :P
(well I say I spent it on you... but no prizes for guessing where the cookies went after I'd pictured them)
If you want a whole cookie you're either going to have to be nice, or be quick.
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Challenge completed, PM sent.
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dont forget about gold stars!
lol, not even worth a monetary amount, just a jpeg
their sweet tho, cus then you can brag!
reminds me of the movie school of rock. GOLD STAR! good ideas on the build challenges tho ben!
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I had intended to let this challenge run til Friday, but it doesn't seem to be going so well so I'll probably post a new one on Wednesday or Thursday.
Please let it run till Friday, I got a new hdd and I need to install the os and trem on it. I should be able to try this Thursday.
By the way, nice cookie pictures. And thanks for starting these challenges.
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Great! Looking forward to trying this one out.
By the way, my name is Bull Islander. The town I live in is nicknamed Bull Island, so naturally I'm a Bull Islander. =)
-Bull
*Edit: Any stage limits in this challenge? I'm assuming you're limiting to stage 1 humans, because a jetpack would solve this easily.
But why the 05 at the end, are you the fifth Bull Islander to exist, or aliev?
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To be quite honest, I picked the 05 because I made the name in 2004 (It was december so I figured 05 would be a bit better). Also, I looked and there already was a Bullislander.
To be back on topic, I don't think I'll be able to do any more challenges Benmachine, seeing that I've quit trem. I'll keep checking the forums to see what the challenges are though (So I can figure out a solution in my head. =))
Thanks for making a fun competition.
-Bull
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dude srsly how many times are you going to quit
its pathetic
ps we all know youll be back next week to beat his challenge
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Actually I don't recall him saying he quit before.
Anyway, challenge done, pm sent.
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Oops, I missed my deadline :( sorry guys
I'll try to get everything drawn up and awarded tomorrow, but for now have a look at my next challenge:
(http://www.bandstand.org.uk/~benm/trem/engineer-challenge/03/screenshot.jpg)
You might not recognise it because I put r_fullbright on. It's on arachnid2. If you need more screenshots, say.
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umm, what are we supposed to bulid there?
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The shot is looking at the underside of an acid tube.
Riight in the middle.
Want another screenie?
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Want another screenie?
Yep.
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OK, take a look at these:
http://www.bandstand.org.uk/~benm/trem/engineer-challenge/03/screenshot2.jpg
http://www.bandstand.org.uk/~benm/trem/engineer-challenge/03/screenshot3.jpg
http://www.bandstand.org.uk/~benm/trem/engineer-challenge/03/screenshot4.jpg
I can't take normal screenshots because with r_gamma 1 this tube is virtually invisible.
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OH NOES DOUBLE POST
I finally got the winners page for last challenge up, it's a little more rushed and less carefully assembled than the first one though.
Results (http://www.bandstand.org.uk/~benm/trem/engineer-challenge/02/winners.xhtml)
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well ben, you stumped me
i thought of three different ways to do it but i dont have the patience to execute them
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Is using the spawn block punt allowed?
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Yah! First to beat number 3.
pm sent.
BTW I can't view the second challenge's "official" demo. I get a "demo msglen > MAX_MSGLEN" error.
Edit: Nux, how did you do that?
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Is using the spawn block punt allowed?
no.
Vector_Matt: that's odd, can anyone else verify this?
If you are still having problems I'll try re-making it.
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Nux, how did you do that?
I made sure to join a server with plenty of myself on it.
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Mmmm, that was a tough challenge : D. Meh, I think I didn't do it via the easiest way. I'm really curious to see how others did it after this challenge ends >_>.
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Dammit, I'm stumped.
Even though I only tried once. :D
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Only tried once, got halfway, got stuck. Oh and I did the challenge in tremx because i downloaded arcade and it messed up my trem, and the nromal base devmap doesn't auto build for me.
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Hello UnnamedPlayer! Please press Esc --> Go to Options --> Rename ^^
I know this is offtopic... but I'm gobsmacked that "UnnamedPlayer" hadn't been taken before the fifth of August.
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Hello UnnamedPlayer! Please press Esc --> Go to Options --> Rename ^^
I know this is offtopic... but I'm gobsmacked that "UnnamedPlayer" hadn't been taken before the fifth of August.
actually, that's his name
trust me
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Hello UnnamedPlayer! Please press Esc --> Go to Options --> Rename ^^
I know this is offtopic... but I'm gobsmacked that "UnnamedPlayer" hadn't been taken before the fifth of August.
actually, that's his name
trust me
Poor guy, all the kids must make fun of him at school.
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Yeah I was surprised no one took this name too, and I'm famous for not having a name at school. :wink:
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Hello UnnamedPlayer! Please press Esc --> Go to Options --> Rename ^^
I know this is offtopic... but I'm gobsmacked that "UnnamedPlayer" hadn't been taken before the fifth of August.
actually, that's his name
trust me
Yeah I was surprised no one took this name too, and I'm famous for not having a name at school. :wink:
Contradiction!
Back on topic though, I'd like to thank benmachine for making these challenges and rewards because I haven't done so yet, and he deserves the praise.
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I'd like to thank benmachine for making these challenges and rewards because I haven't done so yet, and he deserves the praise.
Three cheers for benmachine!
Hip hip, Hooray!
Hip hip, Hooray!
Hip hip, Hooray!
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The only reason I didn't attempt the 3rd challange because I don't play nonstandard maps. Today I took another glance at the screenshot. lol
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I don't play nonstandard maps.l
:O
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The only reason I didn't attempt the 3rd challange because I don't play nonstandard maps. Today I took another glance at the screenshot. lol
Arachnid2 isn't standard now? When did that happen?
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The only reason I didn't attempt the 3rd challange because I don't play nonstandard maps. Today I took another glance at the screenshot. lol
Arachnid2 isn't standard now? When did that happen?
No, I didn't mean that arachnid2 is not in the mainstream Tremulous anymore. I mean when the first time I looked at the screenshot, I didn't recognize that it was arachnid2. I thought it was some quick noobmap with very bad graphics. Some time ago I looked at the screenshot again, and discovered that it was actually arachnid2 without lightmaps.
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thats too cool
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This looks cool, maybe I'll try it. I want a cookie like the first round.
And so does my friend.
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1391/1207364599_bf8ae9c721_o.jpg)
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Engineer! You're sleeping on the job, get back to work!