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Community => Servers => Topic started by: riloki on September 19, 2007, 12:14:39 am
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Hi. I go by the name of Sea Mouse and variants thereof, and here is a copy of something I posted on the Dretch Storm forums. I'm putting it here because the server owner / brother of it may delete, edit, or similar the original post, and to give a bit of headsup.
Also note, the admin in question is the server owner (not maintainer), Evilfrog.
Read it while you can, this is likely going to end up deleted.
Alright. Normal game on procyon, kattana ripped human base apart several times, but it kept popping up till it was built in one of the cheesiest spots on the map (the alcove near the teleporter in the nexus area, or rather through it) So humans are camping for damn near an hour, without progress on either team.
It gets to rampage, fine, fine, whatever. I decided that since the humans were pulling some camping bullshit out of their asses, and because they always win TA anyway, I went to +basi to wait it out, since we all know one alien can't take out a horde of pulse rifle suits with radar and nade, I went to hide in one of the MANY available places in procyon. I picked the most common place, the top of nexus. Now slowly the team got whittled down during rampage, and at total annihilation I sat there and waited.
Now while this might be a cheap tactic, it is by no means against the rules anymore than camping is.
For the record, there WAS a human up there, and that meant only a basi or below could have reached him, maybe a goon if they were good, but I doubt it. Anyway, me and someone else managed to push him off after slashing him a bit.
After a few minutes of TA, conrad called a slap vote, which I thought was disabled but apparently not. Anyway, it failed. Conrad reconnected, called another, heckle canceled it since slaps in TA are bullshit, regardless of the reason, and that happened once again.
I probably would have died anyway, but Evilfrog decided that it was his way to intervene in a paradox-like manner. IE slapping me himself, taking off a bit of hp too unless I'm mistaken, or maybe more than a bit, I couldn't tell between TA and pulse spam.
I died of course, and humans won.
Now some things I'd like to point out:
1) There were humans camping equally cheesy spots, including the alcove behind teleporter without going through it, the one nothing bigger than a dretch can get to, which would have been killed before it even got close, or a goon sniping, which that close to human base would have been ripped to pieces anyway, even if the suit didn't run through the teleporter, then just backtrak, teleport again, go back to alcove, all the while firing on the goon. IE nearly impossible to hurt, much less kill.
2) Heckle, which by far is one of the better admins on the server as far as I can tell, in that he upholds the rules and tries to keep people from picking on others or making the server into another sst, is likely going to lose admin status, or a level of admin. I get this from Evil saying, and this is not an exact quote, "he won't have that ability much longer" in reference to !cancelvote.
3) +basi, which is one of the few aliens that actually stand a chance as far as hp drain goes (rants lose more than humans ircc proportion wise, as does everything else, or at least faster). Guess what? Evil's going to make ghost nerf it. Just like +mara. Isn't that lovely? Now all of the 'smaller aliens', though which ones he didn't mention, are going to be ensured to die a lot faster than humans. (FYI dretch already loses 3 per second at TA, even though they're a valuable asset even on assult, since they can easily dodge pulse spam while raining hits on a crowd of confused suits, and now can't even get more than a few steps before dieing)
4) One of the best parts of this server is the fact that admins don't get unnecessarily involved, even during the *many* other times this has happened, before Mr. high and mighty paradox-impersonator decided to intervene. It is also the firm belief that if any lessar admin even talked about it, their status would immediately come into question. But since nobody has equaled power of froggy there, there aren't any checks or balances.
And yes, I'm pretty sure that even if this isn't deleted, it'll probably edited. Which is why I'm taking the liberty to post a copy of this on other tremulous forums so that players fed up with sst and the like will be properly warned.
Have a pleasant day.
Also, this is not his first offense, and here is a link, provided it's not been removed, of another example of what a fine admin evilfrog is.
http://dretchstorm.com/node/1950
You'll need to scroll down a bit.
Also, to those of you that like SST, I apologize, but I can't say I agree with the methods of the admins of it.
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Another post on the same topic
http://dretchstorm.com/node/1985
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i know how to fix this make it so if humans turn into bsuits in cheep places they die. and aliens auto evolve into a dragoon.
and yes sst admins i hate so much!!!!!!!! what is there problem i stand to close to the reactor and i am band for deconing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the reason people say sst is for noobs is because noobs only ones who aren't band!!!!!
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lol. Might work, but then people would whine about it, and eventually we'd be right back to where we started. And besides, server owner. No power balance.
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i welcome u 0 n00b
now plz stfu (http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6189)
kthxbaicyal8r dewd gg
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We dont discuss D*S here. It is too shitty and the server owners are too secretive with their code. I really hope it dies tbh.
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DO NOT PLAY ON THE CRAPPIEST SERVER; DRETCH STORM
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DO NOT PLAY ON THE CRAPPIEST SERVER; DRETCH STORM
(http://img.timeinc.net/people/i/2006/startracks/061127/borat.jpg)
HIGH FIVE!
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It's getting to be that way >.>
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I used to like Dretch Storm, Ghostshell is cool and all but....
The Community is overrun by noobs that abuse their admin.
Just like SST
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WDM.
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Isn't everyone making a little bit too big of a deal out of it all? If I understand it, Heckle's only offense was !cancelvoting a slap vote, and Evilfrog's only offenses were !slapping anyway and possibly overreacting. It seems to me that the general consensus is that rampage, while a fun way to end a game, has its flaws, such as aliens being able to get to unreachable spots. Even if the "integrity of the game" was disturbed by either Heckle or Evilfrog's actions, I don't think it would warrant the reaction it's gotten.
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What reaction?
The normal bashing of SST and DS, or the freaking whining of the OP?
Honestly no one here cares about such posts.
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I kind of meant the reaction of riloki and everyone else (see the posts on the DS website). I probably should have posted it there hehe.
And the DS bashing annoys me, but I've resigned to let people hate what they want to, whether it is rational or not.
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DO NOT PLAY ON THE CRAPPIEST SERVER WITH THE CRAPPIEST ADMINS; DRETCH STORM, GHOSTSHELL, EVILFROG AND OTHERS
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DO NOT PLAY ON THE CRAPPIEST SERVER WITH THE CRAPPIEST ADMINS; DRETCH STORM, GHOSTSHELL, EVILFROG AND OTHERS
Do not post in size 28 violet font and expect to be taken seriously. Do not post entirely in all caps and expect to be taken seriously. Do not exploit the forum to post without a name. Do not completely disregard the original post and its intent for the thread. Do not make a judgment call on a sever, its game settings, its mod, and its player base solely on an opinion regarding a small number of its administrators. Do not issue an order without any sort of authority or explanation. Do not expect orders issued without any sort of authority or explanation to be followed. Do not make controversial assertions without expecting to make a defense. Do not mistake semicolons for colons.
And please, do not have such verbal opinions about a game. It can't be healthy.
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DO NOT PLAY ON THE CRAPPIEST SERVER WITH THE CRAPPIEST ADMINS; DRETCH STORM, GHOSTSHELL, EVILFROG AND OTHERS
Do not post in size 28 violet font and expect to be taken seriously. Do not post entirely in all caps and expect to be taken seriously. Do not exploit the forum to post without a name. Do not completely disregard the original post and its intent for the thread. Do not make a judgment call on a sever, its game settings, its mod, and its player base solely on an opinion regarding a small number of its administrators. Do not issue an order without any sort of authority or explanation. Do not expect orders issued without any sort of authority or explanation to be followed. Do not make controversial assertions without expecting to make a defense. Do not mistake semicolons for colons.
And please, do not have such verbal opinions about a game. It can't be healthy.
do post lengthy crap and hope to be read. I didn't because you are an epic failure :D
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Really what's got me riled is the fact that this isn't the first time Evilfrog's done something less than mature with admin powers. If you'll recall, he flipped out a week or so ago and banned people at random, and took away admin just because he could.
On top of that, ghost's pretty much evil's lapdog, and it's apparent to ANYBODY who's read his posts regarding evil.
On another note, I think it's about time for the next bearable server t open up. Armageddon, SST, Satgnu, DS, etc. each had their turn of a good community, and each have either vanished, or crumbled into a slum no good player in their right mind would play in. (though DS hasn't quite reached that point, but if things don't turn around it will rather soon)
But then, this is just my opinion, based on past occurrences.
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What reaction?
The normal bashing of SST and DS, or the freaking whining of the OP?
Honestly no one here cares about such posts.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Thank you very much Caveman, that was unexpected and improved my mood considerably. :)
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do post lengthy crap and hope to be read.
Yes, sir! hehe
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And people wonder why the community doesnt grow. =/ Stfu, all of you.
Anyways, despite how I felt previously, D*S isnt really that bad of a server. It has its ups and downs, same as SST.
Its not the admins that make the servers, guys, its the players. So, you can go server to server trying to find the one that fits you..but unless your attitude changes, you're only going to carry it server to server and never find what you're looking for. Odds are, if the players start perking up, those so called "admins" will either be kicked, mature up, or something else. Dont just leave a server without trying to fix the issue at hand in the first place. And dont bash teh server when you do leave. Just because you play the game, in no way means that you are contributing to it. We, the server owners, put out a lot of money so that you guys can do what? Nothing but sit there and bash the servers, even if you play on it.
Just as your country, stand up for it. Dont coward when push comes to shove.
Anyways,
Off I go.
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... We, the server owners, put out a lot of money ...
That was already covered, ages ago when an SST-Admin decided to ask for donations while insulting all at the same time.
So once again, please speak for yourself, If you dish out _lot of money_ for a server, get a cheaper one. And before you say it, yes not everyone can host for free, like we do.
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Its not the admins that make the servers, guys, its the players.
The admins most certainly set the tone of a server, assuming there are admins on the server that is. As the individuals ultimately in control of a match, confrontational and caustic admins will certainly influence a group. Likewise, Respectful and fair minded admins will as well.
An admin who mutes children in flame wars will create a much different atmosphere than the admin who joins in, and then begins using their admin abilities to penalize those who disagree.
This is particularly true when you take into account the number of children who play Tremulous. With less experience in online worlds, they will take their behavioral cue's from the "more experienced" members of the group, the admins.
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Its not the admins that make the servers, guys, its the players.
The admins most certainly set the tone of a server, assuming there are admins on the server that is. As the individuals ultimately in control of a match, confrontational and caustic admins will certainly influence a group. Likewise, Respectful and fair minded admins will as well.
An admin who mutes children in flame wars will create a much different atmosphere than the admin who joins in, and then begins using their admin abilities to penalize those who disagree.
This is particularly true when you take into account the number of children who play Tremulous. With less experience in online worlds, they will take their behavioral cue's from the "more experienced" members of the group, the admins.
we can open a kindergarten
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Its not the admins that make the servers, guys, its the players.
The admins most certainly set the tone of a server, assuming there are admins on the server that is. As the individuals ultimately in control of a match, confrontational and caustic admins will certainly influence a group. Likewise, Respectful and fair minded admins will as well.
An admin who mutes children in flame wars will create a much different atmosphere than the admin who joins in, and then begins using their admin abilities to penalize those who disagree.
This is particularly true when you take into account the number of children who play Tremulous. With less experience in online worlds, they will take their behavioral cue's from the "more experienced" members of the group, the admins.
we can open a kindergarten
yay! then we can all have fun and do nothing but play all day until the admin (teacher) comes along and says "you aren't doing your work. !BAN!"
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I used to like Dretch Storm, Ghostshell is cool and all but....
The Community is overrun by noobs that abuse their admin.
Just like SST
Look we don't abuse our admin on Dretch*Storm.
If you see abuse you report it with the proof of a demo and condump. But do not try to report something you can't cover up. We try to make the server playable without having anyone deconning, crashing, spamming useless shit like that, most of the people that come into Dretch*Storm like to have great games, and with saying noobs, I would just like to say that almost everyone who plays tremulous is a noob (no offense), but just because you are here longer and have more experience means nothing, you were new to the game before and you were once a noob. Really the only thing to define noob is people who like to Decon, Crash, or spam. But I have nothing to against anyone who flames the community or anyone who plays in the Dretch*Storm servers.
I would also like to add if you see anyone who fails to follow !thelaw on the server report them with a demo.
Our game servers have only but one rule all players and admins must abide:
SERVER LAW: DON'T DISTURB THE GAME - OBEY OR LEAVE
What does this mean?
These are examples of what are considered game disturbances.
1. A player decons (deconstructs) buildings in his base without asking or warning; in a malicious attempt to make his team lose the game.
2. Intentionally TK (team-kill) others out of spite or amusement. This includes nading (throwing a nade) to a group of teammates without apologizing. Also, some players like to annoy others by slashing or shooting without actually TK'ing, you are allowed to defend yourself but please warn an admin before doing so.
3. Arguing in chat with another player and making this the only topic on the chat.
4. Any comments that may offend other players due to their RACE, RELIGION, GENDER or SEXUAL ORIENTATION. This includes words or player names.
5. Spamming the chat (sending repetitive messages) with useless propaganda or stupid comments.
6. Any kind of harassment via public or private chat.
7. Aim assisting technology (Aimbots) are strictly prohibited on our servers. If you are found using one, you will be banned on the firewall (not just the server). If you use DSL, we'll ban your whole subnet (DSL company). If you are curious, go play with aimbots elsewhere, not on our servers. Don't ruin Tremulous, say NO TO AIMBOTS.
Mostly use common sense and good sportsmanship. The game is meant to be fun, keep it friendly.
If you have suggestions, post them on the Feedback forum.
So please save yourself the time of calling people noobs when yourself is probably one. Keep that in mind.
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I loled as I read #7
You guys have still some players that can connect to your server?
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DO NOT PLAY.
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Mouse, since you are so worried that your flamey little shit post on DS is going to get deleted, I will post this here too.
Mouse, you are a flamey little shit. Here is a break down of rule #7 for you in a language even an idiot like you can understand.
If you can find a way to win the game with out exhibiting skill nor effort, then YOU ARE CHEATING.
Rule 7 of "the law" , "Mostly use common sense and good sportsmanship. The game is meant to be fun, keep it friendly."
So where is your common sense? Where is your sportsmanship? Where is the fun?
Common Sense tells you that sitting in a place that is completely inaccessible to your opponents to win is CHEATING.
There is no Sportsmanship because you have found a way to cheat the current system and are using it to your advantage.
There is no Fun because hiding through-out rampage and TA while the entire server full of people waits for you to die is FUCKING GAY.
...as for the friendly part, no one wants to be friendly to a lame flaming cheat.
You should have slapped your self and saved us the trouble. Now kindly piss off.
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Common Sense tells you that sitting in a place that is completely inaccessible to your opponents to win is CHEATING.
Such places don't exist in tremulous maps. Everywhere is accessible by some class of your opponent. Perhaps you aren't referring to tremulous?
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So..
"If you can find a way to win the game with out exhibiting skill nor effort, then YOU ARE CHEATING."
Camping is cheating ? Your logic kills my sanity.
If that's the case, he should have slapped and killed all human players who camped. And if he would do that, why not restrain from putting up a server. Don't play Tremulous and go camp in your bed.
And while talking about logic, that TA mode sucks and doesn't make sense.
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Common Sense tells you that sitting in a place that is completely inaccessible to your opponents to win is CHEATING.
Such places don't exist in tremulous maps. Everywhere is accessible by some class of your opponent. Perhaps you aren't referring to tremulous?
The post is about rampage & TA on DS. I would love to see you fly or crouch in a battlesuit. ... let me know how that works out for you.
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Since there is no such thing as "TA" in tremulous, perhaps you should take your blathering to whatever game has something called "TA"?
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So..
"If you can find a way to win the game with out exhibiting skill nor effort, then YOU ARE CHEATING."
Camping is cheating ? Your logic kills my sanity.
If that's the case, he should have slapped and killed all human players who camped. And if he would do that, why not restrain from putting up a server. Don't play Tremulous and go camp in your bed.
And while talking about logic, that TA mode sucks and doesn't make sense.
Camping takes effort even if it's considered skilless, camping and winning takes a miracle.
Common Sense is hard to come by these days apparently.
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Since there is no such thing as "TA" in tremulous, perhaps you should take your blathering to whatever game has something called "TA"?
I would say don't play dumb, but perhaps you are not playing. So I will clarify for you.
When I refer to tremulous in this post I am referring to DS's modified version of tremulous which includes TA.
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When I refer to tremulous in this post I am referring to DS's modified version of tremulous which includes TA.
Perhaps you should say what you mean and not what you think everyone should just assume. These are the tremulous forums, NOT the DS forums.
I know full well what TA is. It is the time during the game where two teams who are not good enough to finish the match can have the chance at experiencing the illusion that someone actually won. However, this being the tremulous forums, and, once again, NOT the DS forums, you should be able to understand why people may become confused when you refer to something in Tremulous that does not in fact exist in tremulous.
If you are referring to a tremulous mod, perhaps you will want to mention that.
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When I refer to tremulous in this post I am referring to DS's modified version of tremulous which includes TA.
Perhaps you should say what you mean and not what you think everyone should just assume. These are the tremulous forums, NOT the DS forums.
I know full well what TA is. It is the time during the game where two teams who are not good enough to finish the match can have the chance at experiencing the illusion that someone actually won. However, this being the tremulous forums, and, once again, NOT the DS forums, you should be able to understand why people may become confused when you refer to something in Tremulous that does not in fact exist in tremulous.
If you are referring to a tremulous mod, perhaps you will want to mention that.
Anyone reading this thread understands what I am referring to. The only thing that I am assuming is, if you made it this far down the thread, then you must be literate.
How about instead of acting ignorant when it's convenient, you just say what you mean out right?
If you are so confused as to why a post about DS found it's way to the tremulous.net forum perhaps you should ask the person that started this thread. It certainly wasn't me genius.
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I posted it here because I knew nobody who would give a shit could delete this thread, or edit it, or lock it, etc.
As for the flaming bit, I admit my post is biased, however it hardly constitutes a war. Bar you, Think, everyone else has either posted some silly thing in big pink letters that people don't pay real attention to anyway, or shared their honest opinion.
Well, except caveman. (S)He just seems really cynical, but really not all that serious as far as I can tell. So jeez, breathe.
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I posted it here because I knew nobody who would give a shit could delete this thread, or edit it, or lock it, etc.
maybe, but several who don't give a shit can.