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Title: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Shadowgandor on November 16, 2007, 04:56:14 pm
Read topic.

I find it useless

:grenade:>>karma<<:grenade:
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: waflz on November 16, 2007, 05:02:52 pm
i haven't seen any options pertaining to karma since the 'upgrade' and i think some jackass took it away from me :(
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: _Equilibrium_ on November 16, 2007, 05:03:10 pm
usually, its pretty accurate. however, this forum seems to have quite a few people who just use it for fun and not its intended purpose. so, yes, it's useless.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: + OPTIMUS + on November 16, 2007, 05:05:58 pm
if you dont like it, just ignore it... i think its not that disturbing...
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Rocinante on November 16, 2007, 05:07:42 pm
I'll guess that once people get over its existence and the initial "ooh, shiny" factor, it may eventually turn into a semi-useful way to gauge someone's posts based on previous posting content.  Though a tie-in to ignore people with karma below a certain number would be nice, it wouldn't be useful until the karma hits a somewhat accurate level, which could take some time.  I'd likely be happier with a general ignore list/killfile.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Annihilation on November 16, 2007, 05:46:38 pm
Don't kill karma :(  I'm on a mission to get -100 without actually posting anything degrading or insultive.  So far I've reached -5 from 3 posts :O
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Make on November 16, 2007, 06:11:52 pm
On the other forums I've been on the karma system works quite well.

I think the karma abuse is in part caused by those who come here with the 'digg' mentality, those who consider it acceptable to 'ragg' on someone who's opinions are different or because of a personal agenda or just on a whim.

But anyway I think that  Rocinante is right, most of it is still the 'newness' of it all. It might be a good idea to reset the karma meters once the community settles into it.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: [Kcorp]Noobius on November 16, 2007, 07:22:48 pm
wtf is karma? oO
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Lava Croft on November 16, 2007, 08:37:56 pm
I find it useless
A lot of things are useless, yet hang around on this forum.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Steely Ann on November 16, 2007, 09:00:41 pm
Dump the karma system?!!!1112

*smite*
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Annihilation on November 16, 2007, 09:45:37 pm
come on people -8?  you can do better than that I'm power for god sake.  Even thridstreet is beating me Oo
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Ryanw4390 on November 16, 2007, 09:52:06 pm
Make it so only moderators/admins can give karma. If someone does something good (help someone with a question, etc.) they get + karma. If they spam, flame, etc, they get - karma. Once new moderates are needed again, the Karma thing would come into play and make their decision easier.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Paradox on November 16, 2007, 09:55:50 pm
Make it so only moderators/admins can give karma. If someone does something good (help someone with a question, etc.) they get + karma. If they spam, flame, etc, they get - karma. Once new moderates are needed again, the Karma thing would come into play and make their decision easier.
As a moderator, i like this. heh.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: epsy on November 16, 2007, 10:31:24 pm
Make it so only moderators/admins can give karma. If someone does something good (help someone with a question, etc.) they get + karma. If they spam, flame, etc, they get - karma. Once new moderates are needed again, the Karma thing would come into play and make their decision easier.
too munch work :/
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: n00b pl0x on November 16, 2007, 10:52:12 pm
OMG IM SMITING YOU FOR CREATING THIS TOPIC, FAGGOT.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Ryanw4390 on November 16, 2007, 10:55:46 pm
Make it so only moderators/admins can give karma. If someone does something good (help someone with a question, etc.) they get + karma. If they spam, flame, etc, they get - karma. Once new moderates are needed again, the Karma thing would come into play and make their decision easier.
too munch work :/

Maybe you should let the admins decide that... It's probably pretty easy to do, stuff like that can be done with invision boards VERY easily.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Paradox on November 17, 2007, 12:59:36 am
In my experience with SMF, restricting Karma to a specific class is quite easy.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Yahoo on November 17, 2007, 01:14:57 am
Make it so only moderators/admins can give karma.
agreed

everytime i remember the feature i attack applejuices
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: sSopris on November 17, 2007, 04:58:16 am
So far it seems fine. We haven't had any people spontaneously flip in huge red font size about how they are going to kill themselves because their's went down a point.

Besides, its fun to see how many people have been clicking the smite button on others.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Steely Ann on November 17, 2007, 06:43:11 am
Holy shit, Anni, I giggled like a fool after that reminded me of Mitchell (http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Mitchell_Henderson) Henderson for some reason.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: sleekslacker on November 17, 2007, 06:43:23 am
you deserve a ban moron.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: thirdstreettito on November 17, 2007, 06:50:49 am
Dump Karma.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: PIE on November 17, 2007, 07:28:09 am
I think the reason why people want karma gone is because they have negative karma :p. People are just smiting each other left and right and not applauding so of course it will get unbalanced if you don't give people recognition for good posts. I think generally the people who like or don't like you will persist though and that is how it will turn out.. which isn't really indicative of community opinion in a lot of cases. I think its a neat feature but its along the lines of post count in the amount of usefulness as far as i see it so far...
though the only place I've really seen play out long term is on the }MG{ forum and everyone knows each other pretty well and we understand negative scores are just people playing around with each other so i don't know if it will actually become useful as people say. I just see several good posters with crappy karma so i'd have to say it isn't working right now though..
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Shadowgandor on November 17, 2007, 09:18:40 am
I think the reason why people want karma gone is because they have negative karma :p.

ya think? xD
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: gareth on November 17, 2007, 09:54:25 am
they have already taken our avatars! do not let them have our karma! :D
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Lava Croft on November 17, 2007, 10:28:49 am
they have already taken our avatars! do not let them have our karma! :D
Shang Tsung (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shang_Tsung) will devour your soul!
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Tycho on November 17, 2007, 11:19:11 am
I don't want to start a topic to this and I find this topic to be a suitable place to ask this: How the hell do I give karma?? :o I can't find a button or sth. :-\ Yeah, I'm that stupid, but srsly pls tell me :-X  :-[
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: tuple on November 17, 2007, 11:30:07 am
You need to have X number of posts before you can modify karma, X being a number that I don't know.  More than you have, less than I have :)
Someone mentioned 100, though I haven't verified.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Tycho on November 17, 2007, 12:38:26 pm
You need to have X number of posts before you can modify karma, X being a number that I don't know.  More than you have, less than I have :)
Someone mentioned 100, though I haven't verified.
ah, kk, ty ;D (does this goes to avatars too? :-\)
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Steely Ann on November 17, 2007, 09:02:45 pm
Avatars appear to be reserved for modmins and the devs, Tycho.

This makes me a saaaaaaaaad panda, of course. :-[
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: The MC Horton Crankfire on November 17, 2007, 09:51:34 pm
Don't kill karma :(  I'm on a mission to get -100 without actually posting anything degrading or insultive.  So far I've reached -5 from 3 posts :O

You've got a lot of catchin' up to do yet, boy.

Quote from: Steely Ann
Avatars appear to be reserved for modmins and the devs, Tycho.

This makes me a saaaaaaaaad panda, of course.  :-[

I still don't get why they would do that. I've never seen another forum where members can't have avatars (at least not where they've got the technology in place to let them), so that should underline the illogic of all this.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Survivor on November 17, 2007, 11:15:45 pm
That something can be done does not mean it's a good thing to do. I'm not going to delve into this any further but I'm not bothered by the lack of avatars, and certainly not by the lack of annoying ones.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Geni3 on November 17, 2007, 11:24:26 pm
You need to have X number of posts before you can modify karma, X being a number that I don't know.  More than you have, less than I have :)
Someone mentioned 100, though I haven't verified.

time to post spam without actually spamming, i wonder which threads have anything in them were i can make a constructive post.

but anyway thanks because i was wondering the exact same thing.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Paradox on November 18, 2007, 12:19:36 am
Heh, modmins.

Funny.

I + your karma.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: The MC Horton Crankfire on November 18, 2007, 12:40:08 am
That something can be done does not mean it's a good thing to do. I'm not going to delve into this any further but I'm not bothered by the lack of avatars, and certainly not by the lack of annoying ones.

You shouldn't turn off all avatars just because a few people would make annoying ones. And as much as I may not hold much of this community in the highest regards for their taste in imagery, I refuse to believe that a large portion of the userbase would use annoying avatars.

So they could just turn them on for everyone, and then deactivate them on an individual basis as needed. That wouldn't take much effort, and there's no reason to keep the rest of us out of the fun because of a few. ;)
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: PIE on November 18, 2007, 12:44:05 am
Avatars appear to be reserved for modmins and the devs, Tycho.
....WTF is up with the random people having avatars?. Its not a "modmin" thing because I still don't have the ability to have an avatar but i've noticed quite a few completely random people have them.

That something can be done does not mean it's a good thing to do. I'm not going to delve into this any further but I'm not bothered by the lack of avatars, and certainly not by the lack of annoying ones.

There is a turn off signatures.. why not a turn off avatars for those who don't like them?.. i personally think it adds a lot of personality to the forums.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Steely Ann on November 18, 2007, 12:45:56 am
Paradox

I suppose it's a bit catchier than "The forum administrators or other people who possess forum moderation tools".  It's a term I picked up from those beloved Farkers (http://www.fark.com/). :P
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Annihilation on November 18, 2007, 06:31:51 am
you deserve a ban moron.
I was just kindly showing you that you need to lower the max font sizes :O
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: FisherP on November 20, 2007, 01:21:31 am
What's the purpose of karma anyway, I have -3 and I haven't flamed anyone, insulted anyone, trolled. I have attempted to help at least 2-3 people since it started. The only reason I can imagine why I have this -ve karma is that someone doesn't like my explanation or my attempt at assistance. I'm not complaining (though it might sound like it) but I just don't really see the point.

If there is a point to it perhaps it should be limited to mods + people with a karma of +50. The reason being is that people with a +50 have been given the positive karma by the mods and others who are doing the right thing. I know initially it will be a bit of extra work for the mods, but if it's only going to be abused then why have it?
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Annihilation on November 20, 2007, 04:58:14 am
What's the purpose of karma anyway, I have -3 and I haven't flamed anyone, insulted anyone, trolled. I have attempted to help at least 2-3 people since it started. The only reason I can imagine why I have this -ve karma is that someone doesn't like my explanation or my attempt at assistance. I'm not complaining (though it might sound like it) but I just don't really see the point.

If there is a point to it perhaps it should be limited to mods + people with a karma of +50. The reason being is that people with a +50 have been given the positive karma by the mods and others who are doing the right thing. I know initially it will be a bit of extra work for the mods, but if it's only going to be abused then why have it?

agreed, although +50 karma is extreme.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: mooseberry on November 20, 2007, 05:20:13 am
No, something that high is good, or there could be a lot of people karma-ing.

This might be too hard to do, but maybe you can only become a karma-er if 50% or so of your +karmas are from mods, otherwise friends could boost each other up, sock puppets, etc.

Also, in the member list, we should be able to list by post, location, join date, etc, like we did before, and also list by karma, so people can instantly see who is helpful and who is not. (Or rather who is liked by the community and who is not.)
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: jr2 on November 20, 2007, 01:45:31 pm
It's below 90, because this fellow had 90 as of when I posted this:

have to make moar posts, so as to give karma !

edit: wee, I can do it now ! -karma meh pls
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Lava Croft on November 20, 2007, 02:27:20 pm
Like with most irrelevant things, you people deem this Karma system a lot more important than it actually is. Wether you have -999 or +999 next to your name, iit does not really matter. It only shows that people spent time on you.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Undeference on November 20, 2007, 02:55:52 pm
in theory it could encourage some people to post more useful stuff than useless stuff. though rating individual posts instead is much better, in my opinion. at least that can be advisory "this post was totally useless", so i probably don't want to read it.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Lava Croft on November 20, 2007, 02:57:31 pm
As you clearly point out, this is theory. We all know how this works in practice.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Shadowgandor on November 20, 2007, 04:40:36 pm
in theory it could encourage some people to post more useful stuff than useless stuff. though rating individual posts instead is much better, in my opinion. at least that can be advisory "this post was totally useless", so i probably don't want to read it.

Yea, i'm the type of guy who seems to spam most of the trem forum anyway, not being usefull at all :P
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: ShadowNinjaDudeMan on November 20, 2007, 09:06:17 pm
I find the Karma system amusing, not very serious, and I always remind myself to -1 pl0xs whenever I can.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Annihilation on November 20, 2007, 09:08:45 pm
Zomg wth -14?
this is power people power_overwhelming.  Where are your manners I don't expect to beat pl0x but I should be at -50 by now I mean cmon.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: thirdstreettito on November 20, 2007, 11:26:03 pm
n00b pl0x has almost -100!!
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: FisherP on November 21, 2007, 01:18:48 am
Like with most irrelevant things, you people deem this Karma system a lot more important than it actually is. Wether you have -999 or +999 next to your name, iit does not really matter. It only shows that people spent time on you.

Thanks Lava, you have answered my question quite succinctly. The karma system is pointless, but who cares really as long as some people have fun with it right?
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Annihilation on November 21, 2007, 06:58:22 am
ok who +1ed me  >:(
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Shadowgandor on November 21, 2007, 02:31:14 pm
ok who +1ed me  >:(

pff, even i have higher then you have. one +1 wouldn't help me beating you anyway.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Annihilation on November 21, 2007, 09:20:24 pm
ok who +1ed me  >:(

pff, even i have higher then you have. one +1 wouldn't help me beating you anyway.
omg I had -14 who keeps +ing me  >:(
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: mooseberry on November 21, 2007, 10:29:21 pm
ok who +1ed me  >:(

pff, even i have higher then you have. one +1 wouldn't help me beating you anyway.
omg I had -14 who keeps +ing me  >:(
There I smited you happy?
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: MDRIVER on November 22, 2007, 04:41:13 am
OOOOOHHHHH
- me plz
-me plz
I want the lowest karma award 8)
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Steely Ann on November 22, 2007, 05:39:59 am
You have to work long and hard earning the ire of others first to ever hope of achieving such an honor, MDriver.  For inspiration, you may consider looking at n00bplox's unique style:

OMG IM SMITING YOU FOR CREATING THIS TOPIC, FAGGOT.

Note the delicate subtlety of his stings, his impeccable use of proper capitalization and grammar, the manner in which he uses a broad vocabulary to emphasize his passionate worldview.  His posts are truly a work of modern art.  So beautiful.  :'(
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Annihilation on November 22, 2007, 06:18:25 am
ok who +1ed me  >:(

pff, even i have higher then you have. one +1 wouldn't help me beating you anyway.
omg I had -14 who keeps +ing me  >:(
There I smited you happy?
Dear moose,

I love you.  I have +1ed you.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Shadowgandor on November 22, 2007, 02:13:31 pm
Pff, who would +1 anni? That would be such a horrible thing to do :police:
heh, my karma is lower then youhours :P
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: player1 on November 22, 2007, 06:35:17 pm
You have to work long and hard earning the ire of others first to ever hope of achieving such an honor, MDriver.  For inspiration, you may consider looking at n00bplox's unique style:

OMG IM SMITING YOU FOR CREATING THIS TOPIC, FAGGOT.

Note the delicate subtlety of his stings, his impeccable use of proper capitalization and grammar, the manner in which he uses a broad vocabulary to emphasize his passionate worldview.  His posts are truly a work of modern art.  So beautiful.  :'(

I applaud u, O Lover of Art.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: MDRIVER on November 22, 2007, 09:41:02 pm
damm i only have -3 keep them coming  ;D
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: _Equilibrium_ on November 22, 2007, 11:06:45 pm
anyone who takes karma seriously on these forums is a fool. it's there for particularly entertainment reasons.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Steely Ann on November 22, 2007, 11:10:41 pm
Equilibrium

Thanks for that shocking bit of news, Captain O.
// +1 to you.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: _Equilibrium_ on November 22, 2007, 11:24:43 pm
Equilibrium

Thanks for that shocking bit of news, Captain O.
// +1 to you.
:(
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: kozak6 on November 23, 2007, 05:55:15 am
I wish it would at least tell us which posts were applauded or smited.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Annihilation on November 23, 2007, 07:29:14 am
OOOOOHHHHH
- me plz
-me plz
I want the lowest karma award 8)
F&ck#ng copy cat
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: MDRIVER on November 24, 2007, 10:35:53 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Shadowgandor on November 26, 2007, 10:54:43 am
OOOOOHHHHH
- me plz
-me plz
I want the lowest karma award 8)
F&ck#ng copy cat
pff, don't act like you want a low karma. Come on, you've got higher then the average person here rofl.
Even i got lower then you have, maybe you should try creating a topic which features something about karma :)
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: jr2 on November 26, 2007, 08:36:30 pm
Nah, try creating a topic about trying to make the humans less helpless.. :/  here (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=6714.0).  Can't wait to see my total after that's all said and done!  XD
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Yarou on November 26, 2007, 10:07:29 pm
Karma isn't needed on a forum such as this.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Annihilation on November 27, 2007, 01:58:58 am
OOOOOHHHHH
- me plz
-me plz
I want the lowest karma award 8)
F&ck#ng copy cat
pff, don't act like you want a low karma. Come on, you've got higher then the average person here rofl.
Even i got lower then you have, maybe you should try creating a topic which features something about karma :)
bleh, steely raises me every time she sees me :(

so I'll never get low.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Geni3 on November 27, 2007, 03:11:09 am
^ you are at 11 now, you must feel real proud of yourself hehe :laugh: ::)
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Illuminatio on November 27, 2007, 05:07:46 am
Ego reputo karma ratio postulo suus vires quod infirmitas.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Steely Ann on November 27, 2007, 05:33:17 am
Annihilation

Who said I needed to see you?  I've got it bookmarked so I just do it any ol' time I remember to. :P
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: KnightofNi on December 03, 2007, 04:59:09 pm
anyone who takes karma seriously on these forums is a fool. it's there for particularly entertainment reasons.

Says the guy with a score of -15  :D .

I think that it's a great idea. It helps keep people in line.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Caveman on December 03, 2007, 05:14:22 pm
So says one that has negative karma in just one day.

Pot, kettle, black.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: KnightofNi on December 03, 2007, 05:42:37 pm
So says one that has negative karma in just one day.

Pot, kettle, black.
If you're talking about me, then that's 0, which, in case you didn't know, is not a negative number.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: KnightofNi on December 03, 2007, 06:57:49 pm
Ach! How ironic. -2 now. Oh well  :D .
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: yetshi on December 04, 2007, 12:39:03 am
nice how the only ones bitching about the karma systems are the ones with negative karma.
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: KnightofNi on December 04, 2007, 05:59:39 pm
nice how the only ones bitching about the karma systems are the ones with negative karma.

 :D Ironic, isn't it?
Title: Re: Dump the karma system.
Post by: Steely Ann on December 05, 2007, 12:56:05 am
Not really... if a porn star moved to Slutshire, Maryland, that'd be coincidental. If she moved to Virgin, Utah, that'd be ironic.

Sorry if my explanations are a bit lacking. :P