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Community => Off Topic => Topic started by: cactusfrog on August 29, 2008, 04:56:01 am
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I just been wondering what does linux look like. How does it run compared to xp or a macs os. Is it hard to use. What is the difference between mac and linux, and windows and linux.Do i get the blue screen on linux. Do you have to be smart to use it. I really want to know these things because if its easy to use i would switch because i am sick of getting the blue screen! thanks.
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You cant use it. Linux requires punctuation.
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(http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/6214/errorwq4.png)
If this made no sense to you, dont even TRY linux.
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This (http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3592/ubuntutx8.jpg) is what linux often but doesn't always look like. It's easy to use if you know how to properly utilize a search engine (http://www.google.com). The "blue screen" on linux only appears when you break something and doesn't make an appearance with regular usage after installation. You can get the easiest to use version of linux (in my opinion) here (http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu). Problems include but are not limited to: crappy drivers you usually have to change right after installing, update manager always nagging you, poor support for windows programs.
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http://archlinux.org/ for a proper GNU/Linux distribution.
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If this made no sense to you, dont even TRY linux.
I haven't seen a screen like that in years.
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Linux is a detergent (http://www.roesch-swiss.ch/?tpl=1004&prod_id=33). It can be used in combination with this fabric softener (http://www.roesch-swiss.ch/?id=1159&prod_id=78).
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how it looks like. do you mean the gui? you can make it look whatever you want. different windowmanagers to choose from. if you like the eyecandy you can make it look like this:
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=YhHCl8j_RbU&feature=related (http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=YhHCl8j_RbU&feature=related)
or you can keep it simple and clean, really 'zen'
how does it run? you choose the distro that fits your pc specs.
for me: had vista on this machine, ubuntu runs much faster.
mac and linux, both unix based. looks nothing like windows.
there aint no bsod on linux. some programs can fail, but not the system.
buy vista, there you can enjoy the new rsod.
you don't have to be smart to use it. you will only have to change some windows habbits.
you'll have to adapt, to learn.
wanna try it out? for real beginners: the wubi install. http://wubi-installer.org/ (http://wubi-installer.org/)
here you install ubuntu as a windows program.
some distro's have a live cd. you can boot linux, use it, without changing windows.
http://www.ubuntu.com/ (http://www.ubuntu.com/)
next step will be a dualboot system. installing linux next to windows.
have done that for about 5 months.
another step is only a linux based OS, no more wintoons.
for me: about 14 months now.
in meanwhile you can install different distro's. a lot to choose from.
did use fedora for a while, came back to ubuntu.
http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php (http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php)
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Here you can find lots of desktop screenshots, many of them featuring a linux distribution:
http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=5714.240
To use Linux you will have to learn certain basics. As you have done when you started using Windows.
Another user friendly distribution:
http://software.opensuse.org/
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Kernel panic
If this made no sense to you, dont even TRY linux.
Everybody understands Kernel panic.
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OK all try it out :). The computer i am thinking of getting linux on i manly use for a server. I am really good at learning new programs and i know how to use macs as well as windows. Even if i don't like it it doesn't madder because i cant even use that computer due to the blue screen.
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Even if i don't like it it doesn't madder because i cant even use that computer due to the blue screen.
Windows isn't as unstable any more as it used to be in Windows ME times. If you get a lot of bluescreens on a Windows XP system, this might be a sign of bad RAM or a overheated CPU/Graphics card. Linux will not fix this for you. But you should try it anyway, Linux is the best mainstream OS to learn about computers/operating systems, because everything is open and documented and you can get help at many Linux forums.
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Linux is an excellent choice. It makes you think. It is not, however, for the faint-hearted. You'll run into a lot of issues, but once they're solved, your experience will be awesome.
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All that i really want to use if for is a web browser server and mapping. I had the blue screen a lot for a wile then i fixed it for about 5 months by detelting everything. Now i am getting it again. I don't want to delete everything again and I know linux is better for servers so that is why I was thinking about getting linux.
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Certain Linux distributions are 'better for servers' because they are more light weight than Windows, but usually this isn't entirely true.
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Linux is very power-friendly compared to Windows.
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Wow, lots of questions here. Let's see...
What does Linux look like?
- Have a look around on the Internet a bit. It can look like anything you want it to.
How does it run compared to XP or Mac OS?
- Depends on what you want to do with it, and your level of skill with it and the others. In my personal opinion, if I'm using a desktop I like Mac OS, if I'm using a server I like Linux. But I'm not going to try to make the administrative assistants at work use Linux, nor would anyone try to force me to use Windows.
Is it hard to use?
- Like any software, there's a learning curve. If you take the time to learn the programs and tools available to you, you will have an enjoyable experience from using it. If you jump in headfirst and hope that others wading around the pool can save you if you drown, you may find that Linux is not right for you - simply because you're expecting it to be like anything else, and that anyone can just help you fix it. You will get from the experience exactly what you put into it.
What's the difference between Mac [OS] and Linux, and Windows and Linux?
- There have been books written that can barely cover all of the differences. Mac OS X and Linux are more similar, since OS X is based on a BSD backend system and actually can be called a UNIX variant. Windows is the "odd man out" here, having been based on many other things and molded into its own format over the years. A quick 4-color-glossy description: Windows uses GUIs for everything, Mac OS has GUIs and also the command line, but Linux truly shines when you don't even run a windowing system. Is that accurate? To me it is, to someone else it might not be.
Do you have to be smart to use it?
- Again, like any software there's some education that needs to go into using it. If you sit down at a Linux command prompt and expect everything to just work, you'll likely be disappointed. But if you take the time to go through some tutorials, maybe pick up a book or two, or sit down with your favorite website open in another browser, you will likely enjoy the path of learning how it works as much as you'll enjoy the end result when you're finished.
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if your new (which you've noted you are) start off with a noob distro
Ububunuu
opensuse
etc
the only issue you will have is gaming most other things will have a program that will cover like openoffice for office, thundebird for outlook etc
ive been using linux for ages and it works well i run slackware and bluewhite64 (i wouldn't recommend these to you there probably too hard for you to configure)
linux is stable and shouldn't crash (well mine doesn't - but neither did my xp machine when i used to dual boot)
linux like mac is different from windows so there is some learning to be done but once you get past that you wont look back
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http://archlinux.org/ for a proper GNU/Linux distribution.
It's not LSB compliant... therefore it's not considered "proper" to the Linux Foundation.
Debian and Gentoo are considered proper and "kosher pork".
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http://archlinux.org/ for a proper GNU/Linux distribution.
It's not LSB compliant... therefore it's not considered "proper" to the Linux Foundation.
Debian and Gentoo are considered proper and "kosher pork".
Did I just hear a smelly hippienerd?
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I hereby nominate this thread for cutest topic ever.
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I hereby nominate this thread for cutest topic ever.
Totally seconded>_>
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Did I just hear a smelly hippienerd?
OK, at least you listen to yourself. Include bathing and you'll solve the former also. ;)
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http://archlinux.org/ for a proper GNU/Linux distribution.
+1
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I've been using linux for my primary desktop for about 4-5 years now. My last windows box is an xp box that exists only for a printer. A printer that will vanish the next time I need to by ink since a new printer is cheaper than lexmark ink :) In fact, its a laptop that I haven't even unpacked in a few weeks (we don't print much :P )
Try the ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download) install disk, is doubles as a live cd so you can boot from cd into a running linux workstation. It doesn't affect your computer (as long as you don't select install and answer all its questions) and is a nice way to load up linux and look around. It runs a little slow since its running completely off of your cd and ram, but you'll get to click around and see what's there. If you have problems running the live cd, you can usually find solutions in the ubuntu forums (http://ubuntuforums.org/), search for your computer model :) . This can also give you a general idea of how much of a pain it will be getting you video card/monitor to work in linux since that is (in my experience) always the reason the live cd doesn't start out of the gate.
If you want to try it a little more, but don't want to try dual booting, there are programs (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick) that can install linux to a pendrive (>1G) and that will run and boot faster (assuming your computer can boot from a pendrive). I'd swear I've read that you can install to a pendrive from the live cd, though I haven't tried it.
You could also check out the wubi installer (http://wubi-installer.org/) which will run linux as a program on your windows machine. It will need at least a gig of HD space, but I've heard it works well and you can uninstall it if you don't like it. disclaimer: I've never tried it.
If you decide you want to look at it a little more, you would then look around for dual boot options. There are graphical tools which will shrink your windows partition (without damaging it) to give you room for a linux install. Better yet, throw another HD in :D
This is where you will really start to waste time. Mostly looking through synaptic (package/installation manager) and getting some idea of just how many OSS programs there are out there. Then you'll start installing all sorts of programs that do things you never thought you'd look into, like radio station management software, just to take a look at it. Seriously, you will look through synaptic, find 20-30 programs you want to look at and cringe when you realize you've just elected to install 300MB of software that has to be downloaded!
You won't find the brand spankin new and shiny games. Sure, a few will come down the pike that can technically be played in linux, but not nearly as many as are released for windows, not by a longshot. However, there (http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Games/) are (http://www.tuxgames.com/) a lot (http://rangit.com/software/top-8-linux-games-of-2007/) of games (http://www.happypenguin.org/). There again, synaptic is your friend for the most part, but there are many that aren't in synaptic that are really good. Like I say, they won't be shiny new games, but the quality of the games themselves can often be very high though the graphics may not be cutting edge. Sure, there are turds, same with buying a random game at best buy, but there are many options.
You can and probably will run into problems, just like a fresh installation of windows. If you do have problems, they will most likely be driver problems and it will probably be the result of installing on a brand new model of computer. My experience has been the graphics card and/or network card, including wireless card. Your best bet at that time is to write down any errors you see, boot back into windows and search the ubuntu forums for others having your problem, or running ubuntu on your model of computer. Of course, IRC is always a really good option too. If its an older computer, you have a really good chance of not running into any problems at all.
I've had windows installs be a nightmare, and linux installs be a piece of cake (as well as the reverse). They really aren't comparable, so don't let any of the elitist fool you into thinking that you have to be a super genius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wile_E._Coyote) just to use linux. It is different from other operating systems, it doesn't come pre-installed and pre-setup for you, so there will be a bit of a learning curve. Perhaps a little, perhaps a lot, it often depends on your hardware and general setup needs.
In my experience, linux runs better on a computer than windows. I've seen my battery life double, so it just may be worth trying out. I once tried vmware on linux and on windows on the same computer. I installed windows and linux as a guest OS on both. Which ran worst? Windows guest on a Windows host OS, by far. Which ran best? Linux on a Linux host by far, so much so that the graphical interface for the linux guest on linux did not run any slower than the host linux's graphical interface. Not conclusive I realize, but it was pretty powerful anecdotal evidence for me :)
edit: Lava! I'm not a hippie! I may smell a little, and my friends call me a nerd, but I'm NO HIPPY! :P
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edit: Lava! I'm not a hippie! I may smell a little, and my friends call me a nerd, but I'm NO HIPPY! :P
for the smell i can recommend this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_alum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_alum)
i don't know exactly if hippies use this.
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nevermind about linux my computer doesn't even boot up anymore i get an black screen that says code and it says like that for a ever.
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nevermind about linux my computer doesn't even boot up anymore i get an black screen that says code and it says like that for a ever.
Bwahahaha!
I'll take it for $50, or I'll trade you something or similar value ;)
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nevermind about linux my computer doesn't even boot up anymore i get an black screen that says code and it says like that for a ever.
Linux would probably fix that problem too.
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nevermind about linux my computer doesn't even boot up anymore i get an black screen that says code and it says like that for a ever.
If I guess right, that is either a fucked up bootloader or a completely fucked Windows installation either due to the harddisk slowly failing or damaged system files. I had those alot before I decided to not use the Knoppix live cd to fix Windows anymore, but to get "The Real Thing" TM instead.
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nevermind about linux my computer doesn't even boot up anymore i get an black screen that says code and it says like that for a ever.
Linux would probably fix that problem too.
How would it fix it if it doesn't even load up? That's his computers problem, not window's.
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nevermind about linux my computer doesn't even boot up anymore i get an black screen that says code and it says like that for a ever.
Linux would probably fix that problem too.
How would it fix it if it doesn't even load up? That's his computers problem, not window's.
Depends on what the cactus means with "... says code".
I don't think his computer is fucked. It is probably his installation. But, of course, unless he shares us the text of the error message he gets we won't know.
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My computer was getting the blue screen every 2 minuets so i thought i would clean it out. I removed the ram and cleaned there slots then reinstalled it. Now when i boot up that computer i get a black screen that says an message which i cant state because i am not near the computer right now. I think its a normal message that happens when your computer is detecting new ram but it lasted for 6 hours so i know something isn't right. besides it not working its a really good computer duel Intel presser 2 gigs of ram a video card(which i know nothing about) and a 150 gb hard drive.
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How many ram modules do you have? Had a problem once with new ram. 2 of the same modules wouldn't work together. Try to put in a single module and boot the computer.
What message do you get?
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Pay us first, then we might help you. [? (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=8956.msg140059#msg140059)]
[EDIT] Just my little vendetta.
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Hmm, could be overheating, bad ram, bad other hardware.
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well my dad fixed it he took out the ram and put it back in and that seamed to work
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Did it fix the bluescreens too ?