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Re: Grammer issue with death
« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2009, 03:53:52 pm »
I'll take that as a yes. In that case please appreciate that we native speakers might be slightly more familiar with the use of the word 'hunt' then you.

That said, it isn't uncommon for non-native speakers to have a better grasp on the language, most likely because they aren't so prone to the ever corrupting slang.

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Re: Grammer issue with death
« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2009, 06:47:00 pm »
LOL. i was born and raised in america and english is my native language. But that being said the stupid trend of speaking multiple languages around kids started long before dora and heres the product i think in a mix of italian german and english.
That was all i meant by not exactly.

and yes i asked around like a bafoon and most people said you would sound like a fucking hick if you said " the bear was hunted down by the mob last night" just actually fucking say it instead of reading it.

infinitive and imperative are both hunt down http://conjugator.reverso.net/conjugation-english-verb-hunt%20down.html

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Re: Grammer issue with death
« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2009, 06:51:21 pm »
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I hunted down
you hunted down
he/she/it hunted down
we hunted down
you hunted down
they hunted down

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Re: Grammer issue with death
« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2009, 06:55:20 pm »
yea that would be proof if the sentence wasnt a fucking infinitive.

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Re: Grammer issue with death
« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2009, 07:44:32 pm »
LOL. i was born and raised in america and english is my native language. But that being said the stupid trend of speaking multiple languages around kids started long before dora and heres the product i think in a mix of italian german and english.
That was all i meant by not exactly.

and yes i asked around like a bafoon and most people said you would sound like a fucking hick if you said " the bear was hunted down by the mob last night" just actually fucking say it instead of reading it.
buffoon ?
hunted: past tense, bro.

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Re: Grammer issue with death
« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2009, 08:16:15 pm »
I'll take that as a yes. In that case please appreciate that we native speakers might be slightly more familiar with the use of the word 'hunt' then you.

That said, it isn't uncommon for non-native speakers to have a better grasp on the language, most likely because they aren't so prone to the ever corrupting slang.

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when correcting someone's grammar, it's a good idea to correct your own first ;D

Don't forget '...the first fifteen language' ;) I guess spell checker is no substitute for typing skills. :(

bacon: I'm surprised you, as a native speaker, managed to misunderstand this and then go on to link to a site which tells you over and over again that 'hunted' is the past tense.

Try this on for size: If I were to say "I hunt dogs" would I mean that there was a time I'd hunt dogs, or that I used to and still do hunt those damn dirty mongrels.
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Re: Grammer issue with death
« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2009, 09:37:50 pm »
I'm not sure why this has to be so complicated. I don't know all the fancy rules (learned them in school at some point, I'm sure) but I use a simple one: when you say 'he was verbed', the verb is in the 3rd form. "He was eaten", "he was chosen", "he was done" etc. I'm not aware of any exceptions. "He was hunted" may sound strange but that's how it is. Adding that kind of stuff to the verb (down, up, in, out, on, off, away, with -- I've no idea what they're called in this context) makes no difference.

Try it with "he was worn down" or "he was done in" and see what you think about "he was wore down" or "he was did in".
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Re: Grammer issue with death
« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2009, 10:52:22 pm »
That should be the end of the discussion, really.

This isn't really a matter of opinion, this is something that you can actually prove right or wrong.

So, end of dicussion. (I hope)
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Re: Grammer issue with death
« Reply #38 on: June 03, 2009, 03:07:22 am »
you still havent grasped the fact once one word denotes the time "was" is past tense then everything after it is in infinitive form.
which is not past tense.

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Re: Grammer issue with death
« Reply #39 on: June 03, 2009, 03:10:35 am »
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Re: Grammer issue with death
« Reply #40 on: June 03, 2009, 03:11:44 am »
Please, just let it go. I don't believe it's a mistake, you might. But, even if it is, it's not the end of the world. Please end this.


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Re: Poster issue with cluelessness
« Reply #41 on: June 03, 2009, 04:49:44 am »
@OP: Either directly link or quote the rule you are constantly invoking, or provide examples where the verb is used in the fashion that you suggest. Or you could just admit that you are wrong and move on with your life.

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Re: Grammer issue with death
« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2009, 06:49:19 am »
@OP: Either directly link or quote the rule you are constantly invoking, or provide examples where the verb is used in the fashion that you suggest. Or you could just admit that you are wrong and move on with your life.

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Re: politeness issue with density
« Reply #43 on: June 03, 2009, 07:08:16 am »
please

(sry, Winnie, but after "fucking hick", "just fucking say it" & "fucking infinitive" i fucking thought we had fucking gone beyond the fucking politeness xD)

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Re: Grammer issue with death
« Reply #44 on: June 03, 2009, 07:55:42 am »
It's a last resort sort of thing.
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« Reply #45 on: June 03, 2009, 04:02:51 pm »
please

(sry, Winnie, but after "fucking hick", "just fucking say it" & "fucking infinitive" i fucking thought we had fucking gone beyond the fucking politeness xD)

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Re: politeness issue with density
« Reply #46 on: June 03, 2009, 04:33:11 pm »
(sry, Winnie, but after "fucking hick", "just fucking say it" & "fucking infinitive" i fucking thought we had fucking gone beyond the fucking politeness xD)
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Re: Grammer issue with death
« Reply #47 on: June 03, 2009, 04:59:59 pm »
I'm happy to continue trying to convince you.

"was hunted down" gives 18,800 results. These include the site of 'The Daily Telegraph', the highest selling British 'quality' paper.

"was hunt down" on Google gives 1,080 results.

Furthermore, if we refine the search to English pages (using Googles advanced search):

We get 17,900 results for "was hunted down" but only 688 sites that have it written as "was hunt down"

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Re: Grammer issue with death
« Reply #48 on: June 03, 2009, 06:17:32 pm »
Then theres a fairly large amount who also think its correct. =D
This wasnt meant to be a discussion. I found what i beleive is an error and made sure of myself before i posted it if you think im wrong then stfu and get out of the thread.

But if you really insist on an example using an infinitive put ed at the end of every word in a past tense sentence.

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Re: Spammer issue with denial
« Reply #49 on: June 03, 2009, 07:05:47 pm »
Ladies & Gentlemen, Your Moron:

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Re: Grammer issue with death
« Reply #50 on: June 03, 2009, 07:09:33 pm »
shut up

edit: ehh player1 got his post in first. was directed at bacon

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Re: Grammer issue with death
« Reply #51 on: June 03, 2009, 07:23:15 pm »
But if you really insist on an example using an infinitive put ed at the end of every word in a past tense sentence.

Please be aware that the verb 'to hunt' is a regular verb so the past tense is 'I hunted'
Regular verbs follow the pattern of having -ed added to the verb in the past tense.
Some verbs are irregular such as the verb 'to eat' in which the past tense it 'I ate'
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Re: Usage issue with "rules" of grammar
« Reply #52 on: June 03, 2009, 07:35:35 pm »
I'm happy to continue trying to convince you.

"was hunted down" gives 18,800 results. These include the site of 'The Daily Telegraph', the highest selling British 'quality' paper.

"was hunt down" on Google gives 1,080 results.

Furthermore, if we refine the search to English pages (using Googles advanced search):

We get 17,900 results for "was hunted down" but only 688 sites that have it written as "was hunt down"

@Nux: Nicely done, and I have to say that before I even posted the first time in this thread, I did a little searching myself.

To the OP, I'd like to say, consider the issue of usage and the vernacular, dynamic, ever-changing nature of language. Most of the instances one can find of "was hunt down" are a completely different sort of emphasis, such as: The first thing I did when I got up this morning was hunt down instances of "was hunt down" on teh intarwebz. For the sort of sentence we are discussing here ("Noun was hunt-ed down by the noun."), one can find a few instances of "hunt" and an overwhelming preponderance of "hunted", which means that most users of the language find the second form to be more to their liking. I would say that neither is actually "wrong" but that majority of native-speaking users of the language would not find the -ed form objectionable, would actually find it more natural, and would be inclined to use it themselves, whether or not some second-grade teacher still wants to crack knuckles with rulers over such small infractions as this, split infinitives, or spelling syrup with an i.

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Re: Grammer issue with death
« Reply #53 on: June 03, 2009, 09:56:30 pm »
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Granger is a surname of English and French origin. It is an occupational name for a farm bailiff. The farm bailiff oversaw the collection of rent and taxes from the barns and storehouses of the lord of the manor. This officer's Anglo-Norman title was grainger, and Old French grangier, which are both derived from the Late Latin granicarius (a a derivative of granica, meaning "granary").

Then theres a fairly large amount who also think its correct. =D
This wasnt meant to be a discussion. I found what i beleive is an error and made sure of myself before i posted it if you think im wrong then stfu and get out of the thread.

But if you really insist on an example using an infinitive put ed at the end of every word in a past tense sentence.
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Re: Grammer issue with death
« Reply #54 on: June 03, 2009, 10:14:51 pm »
Then theres a fairly large amount who also think its correct. =D

So what? We already know that there are more 9 year olds out there. It's not a groundbreaking discovery.
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Re: Grammer issue with death
« Reply #55 on: June 03, 2009, 11:24:39 pm »
The Bacon### was slammed down by the masses - kthxbai.

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Re: Grammer issue with death
« Reply #56 on: June 04, 2009, 01:18:57 am »
The Bacon### was slam down by the masses - kthxbai.
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Re: Grammer issue with death
« Reply #57 on: June 04, 2009, 02:47:35 am »
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Re: Grammer issue with death
« Reply #58 on: June 04, 2009, 07:04:22 am »
@OP: Keep in mind that the english language is not (or at least shouldn't be) governed by rules and crazy laws, but by what sounds right and what is accepted in the general population of the location.
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Re: linkage
« Reply #59 on: June 06, 2009, 10:32:36 am »
simple & complete subject & predicate (oh, look the verb is "was shot down", not "was shoot down")