Beergarden Admin is a Douche

[b-_-d]

Beergarden Admin is an ass and 20sec lag spikes are common! Lag kills just suck. I hope he hits a tree on the way home! If you want to play a friendly fire game Beergarden is the only choice. Base friendly fire is just not fair to humans. I have computers not in use. How do you start a server?

Die and burn in hell Beergarden Admin!

[Yawn]

Beergarden Admin is an ass and 20sec lag spikes are common! Lag kills just suck. I hope he hits a tree on the way home! If you want to play a friendly fire game Beergarden is the only choice. Base friendly fire is just not fair to humans. I have computers not in use. How do you start a server?

Die and burn in hell Beergarden Admin!

Um, if you will remember.. I was defending YOU from people today, as they called you a deconner, and varying other foul names.
If you have something wrong with Jeremy(Talk to uknown about that one) then discuss it with them.

Friendly-fire game? are you HIGH? we have FF disabled.

Yes, we are having some latency issues these days, but those are being rectified soon(I certainly hope)

Did you actually have anything constructive to add? If not. Leave. Thanks.

-Y

[zeta]

ummm btw your gay for dising a server that he prlly pays money or uses up bandwith to host

and as far as the FF, well SST has it and its the biggest server

[[EVIL]Unknown]

*sigh* so much drama going on...i hate drama... always try to stay away from it but since im the head admin here i have to step in i guess... so lets start with rekov again...

rekov i unbanned u and gave u a second chance... take that chance and go play and have fun... ur rants are starting to tell me that u are indeed a dick and probably deserved that ban 100%...in fact im starting to think i should put that ban back up.... u have no more business with us.. ur unbanned so leave and stop responding to these posts... yawn did the right thing and im backing him up all the way... so y dont u go hit a tree on the way home...



now as for b-_-d... bg server has like 5 more admins now so tell me who what when where how and why.... just saying bg admin is an ass feels like a direct insult to me.. there is no ff on beergarden for the 80th time since i hear it from alomost every person out there... there is a chance that turrets might kill ya.. its rare but it happens but it should be off..

so once again 1 problem down and another shoved in my face again...

[b-_-d]

1.
I do not deconstruct bases! What people are talking about is a move gone bad; it happens.

2.
Beergarden has a childish admin he will move people from team to team. I got named called a decon player that was good kick. but many of his actions are just stupid. read the logs for examples.

3.
The lag issue I offered to help many times. I offered to donate dual p3 computer! I have a strong background in server admin and firewall building. My coding sucks but I was willing to try. No one ever got back with me.

4.
I am upset that Beergarden is full most of the day, forcing me to play on a Friendly-fire servers. I was asking how to start a "non Friendly-fire server" to create a place to go. All of my servers are web, mail, or VOIP. I am not calling Beergarden a Friendly-fire server read back.

[Yawn]

1.
I do not deconstruct bases! What people are talking about is a move gone bad; it happens.

2.
Beergarden has a childish admin he will move people from team to team. I got named called a decon player that was good kick. but many of his actions are just stupid. read the logs for examples.

3.
The lag issue I offered to help many times. I offered to donate dual p3 computer! I have a strong background in server admin and firewall building. My coding sucks but I was willing to try. No one ever got back with me.

4.
I am upset that Beergarden is full most of the day, forcing me to play on a Friendly-fire servers. I was asking how to start a "non Friendly-fire server" to create a place to go. All of my servers are web, mail, or VOIP. I am not calling Beergarden a Friendly-fire server read back.

Ok, lets take this from the top;
1.) I never called you a base deconer, and infact said that I doubt you were. I defended you from one of the Uvache guys and jeremy. Please don't just blanket insult us, let alone the ones that look out for you.
2.) The admin you are probably speaking of, is jeremy. He likes to !putteam himself wherever he feels. (I highly doubt it was me, as per there was only a single game where I have ever !putteam anyone)
3.) i'm sorry that it upsets you that the server is full, your best bet is to simply wait in queue.. I know when it's full, I rarely have to wait more then 2-3 minutes before someone leaves and a spot opens up.

-Y

[Shafe]

I've been incredibly offline or busy with life and whatnot for the past several months.  I've left the beer garden in Unknown's trusting hands while I'm away.

Put simply I'm uninterested in the drama.. I play for fun when I have time (which has been short lately).   The machine the beer garden runs on is used for a variety of things... it is by no means dedicated to game servers.  

I put the server up when the tremulous standalone came out to support open source and the efforts the developers have put into an incredibly good game.

Frankly.. if you dont like it, dont play there.  That simple.

  I'm taking the server down for a few days to test out some Mods for another game I've been working on so I suppose you wont have much to complain about for at least a few days.

[Slajer]

Mr.Hanky"]Administrate your server fair and nobody will flame.

You know just as well as I do that that is utter nonsense. And who decides what is fair and what is not? So far I have only seen newbs and grifers complaining here.

They only kick deconstructers from db@ servers and not the ppl they don't like. Now thats what i would call fair. If you kick every new player that screws up the first time you're destroying the community with such actions.
Sure if you would like to keep the skill level higher on your server why not include that in your server hostname( pro only ).


Yawn 1 month ban seems a bit too harsh. Sure it's summer and all that but time doesn't fly that fast even when you are having fun

[Yawn]

Yawn 1 month ban seems a bit too harsh. Sure it's summer and all that but time doesn't fly that fast even when you are having fun

I agree in retrospect, as I've already commented on.

In all honesty, I probably should have set the tempban a bit less then I did, but I didn't.

What it should have been, was a day, maybe a few at the most.
I don't normally even do much of anything on my server when it comes to being an admin.. i'm more just there to have fun myself, and make sure everyone plays nice.

-Y

[[db@]Megabite]

Mr.Hanky"]Administrate your server fair and nobody will flame.

You know just as well as I do that that is utter nonsense. And who decides what is fair and what is not? So far I have only seen newbs and grifers complaining here.

We have a simple policy on #db@:

- Mute flamers
- Warn first (not in pressing situations, of course)
- Kick/Ban griefers
- Change map only directly at start or when a game is fucked up by a griefer.

No messing with teams, telling people to fuck off, kicking for being a newbie, changing map when admin's team is losing, etc.
All #db@ admins agree to this policy and in more than 3 months of operation only a single complaint reached me for 6 servers. And even that situation could be handled and discussed in a civilized manner. Griefers usually don't complain about being kicked as they know why. In 99% it is the newbs that feel mistreated. It is not their fault and being kicked for newbishness not fair. How to learn the game that way?

Danny

[Lava Croft]

See, that does not differ a whole lot from SATGNU, the only difference being we don't take shit from nobody. Also, just like the post where I'm being flamed, it's again only newbs and griefers moaning. I think that says it all.

[Jeremy Dj Dj]

Ok b-_-d i am sorry i piss you off and whatever. but im just trying to make bg a better server by making the teams.  and it is very hard for me to hear that i shud burn...if your mad bg admins and ME then i think u shud just go to another server such as AKKA or SST. then..i am sorry

-jeremy dj dj

[[db@]Megabite]

...the only difference being we don't take shit from nobody.

That difference is the key to the whole topic. Taking other people's opinions as "shit" will not get their respect. You may have another opinion but having the ability to see your own errors and try to change something about it is priceless. Nobody has eaten wisdom with a spoon, as we say in Germany.

That is as true for you as it is for me. The thing that counts is how you deal with it.

Danny

P.S.: Not everybody criticising you is automatically a noob or a griefer. He may be right in one way or the other. People only tend to write about things that move them, and be treated unfairly (in that persons eyes) is a perfect reason. Think about it.

[[db@]Mr.Hanky]

See, that does not differ a whole lot from SATGNU, the only difference being we don't take shit from nobody. Also, just like the post where I'm being flamed, it's again only newbs and griefers moaning. I think that says it all.

Of course it differs from SATGNU. You kick without entering a reason, and if someone asks why u kicked him, you start flaming. (newbs etc.)

And sadly it's always the case when someone criticize you. You have a big problem with critics also when is really constructive.

The funniest thing is, that every post from you is full of "everyone is a newb", "you all are griefers"...

Sorry big master that we don't pray every day to you, cause you are the greatest ruler on the globe!!!
No one is 1337 as you on your first day.

[Lava Croft]

You are making absolutely no sense Mr Hankey. Everyone who is banned from SATGNU is banned with a reason, like r1admin allows to. Secondly, it is only newbs and griefers moaning here, save for your flaming ass, but I guess you just have a personal problem with me or so. The third thing is me supposesly kicking people because of their opinions, name me one instance.
What you classify as opinion, might not be classified as such by another person, think about that. And lastly, since I have not seen any of you on SATGNU, at least, not while using your own nickname we all know, what are you talking about then? Are these first-hand experiences or are you just riding the wave of flaming in this thread?

Like I already told you on IRC, keep your business with db@, just like we keep our business with SATGNU.

Thank you very much.

[[db@]Mr.Hanky]

The godfather of online gaming spoke.... -.-

Btw. you should add one or two more blanks in front of the server name to prevent that your server could be no. 2 in the global list.

[[db@]Megabite]

Peace, brothers...

Danny

[Slajer]

Like I already told you on IRC, keep your business with db@, just like we keep our business with SATGNU.

You came to db@ servers a few days ago and flamed pretty much everyone there. When you didn't like someone you kept saying how you would kick him if you had admin status on that server. 20% of your time there you were talking about how great satgnu is and db@ servers are full of noobs.

[SLAVE|Mietz]

Like I already told you on IRC, keep your business with db@, just like we keep our business with SATGNU.

You came to db@ servers a few days ago and flamed pretty much everyone there. When you didn't like someone you kept saying how you would kick him if you had admin status on that server. 20% of your time there you were talking about how great satgnu is and db@ servers are full of noobs.

How fast the thread evolved from beergarden to satgnu again....

plz ppl on stop bitching on satgnu or lava, i am the best proof you can do it.
i play on satgnu regularily AND am admin for the #db servers.

Lava is a good player and the "level of play" on satgnu is mostly higher than on the other (because the satgnu server strongly SELECTS its players to keep that level high as possible).

Both servers (#db and satgnu) are good for a fight, i dont prefer either, they just differ in their community.

So ppl behave, its not flamewars here.

[Megagun]

The problem with a lot of moderators and administrators on both servers and internet fora, are that they believe they are above the rest and can therefore make up the rules.

In fact, it's usually the community itself that makes up the rules..

If someone has a comment on the way you moderate a server, it's your task to hear that comment, not kick someone away and get on with the game (which I myself have experienced on a SATGNU server. A BSuit was coming, I was advanced dragoon with poison, I pounced for the kill but at that exact moment a Tyrant went to the same battlesuit, too, and I instead pounced the Tyrant. I said sorry, got killed by said Tyrant, said something along the lines of "What a great way to show everyone how to act on this server", and got kicked. Worthy of mention to complete the fullness of this little story, is that a few minutes earlier, one admin shouted "Everyone who I see as a dretch in enemy base will get kicked". I kind of said that Dretches DO have use in enemy bases, and they're okay as long as they wallwalk and not walk in the way of Tyrants and Dragoons.. Maybe I've stepped on the admin in question's toes there though)...

Maybe the only people that really need to be kicked are the ones calling others "N00bs", since that basically just stirs up everything and causes deconners to be born.

Unknown"]rekov i unbanned u and gave u a second chance... take that chance and go play and have fun... ur rants are starting to tell me that u are indeed a dick and probably deserved that ban 100%...in fact im starting to think i should put that ban back up.... u have no more business with us.. ur unbanned so leave and stop responding to these posts... yawn did the right thing and im backing him up all the way... so y dont u go hit a tree on the way home...

Whoa, can you rephrase that without all the 'u's and lowercase 'i's? Remember, capitalisation is the difference between "I helped my uncle Jack off a horse" and "I helped my uncle jack off a horse". Sorry to whoever found this last sentance offensive.

[[db@]Megabite]

So ppl behave, its not flamewars here.

Aww, just went to the kitchen to get beer and popcorn...

Well, whatever, wise words Mietz... some people like a civilized discussion, others tend to wholeheartedly start flamewars. I guess I am part of the first group (db@good cop) where Hanky tends to be in the second... (db@bad cop)

As Lava seems to be in the second group as well this can get funny to watch at times...

Danny

[[db@]Mr.Hanky]

*dance* *iwishuffle*

Who was right? hm?

That's of course a direct and hard line: dretch standing in my way = kick. *thumbsup*

[Lava Croft]

You people need to stop sticking your nose into business where it does not belong. Since it seems some of you are a bit thick, I will say it once again, and I hope I am making myself crystal clear on this:

The way SATGNU admins administrate SATGNU is the business of SATGNU admins only. If you have a problem with that, we have an IRC channel named #satgnu on Quakenet, take your problems there and talk to us about it. Posting on this forum about how you were mistreated is not going to help you at all, since it is our business only who we let onto SATGNU and who not. Even more so, maci pays cold hard cash for running SATGNU, so I really do not understand what you people are talking about. It is not your business and it will never be your business. Keep to administrating your own server, and if you really want to stick your nose into SATGNU business, apply for adminship. If not, just shut up and let us be, just like we let you be.

[b-_-d]

Time to fix this. I am starting new "dedicated server" with a 30 person limit. The server will have with the same settings as Beergarden.  [db@]Mr.Hankyn I would appreciate any info I can get on setting up a game server.

[Lava Croft]

Now thats the spirit! No moaning, start hosting! Finally somebody who gets it. Praise.

[[EVIL]Unknown]

i also have another idea?? lets just delete this whole topic altogether...the rekov and b-_-d complaints are done and so nothing else goes out of hand lets get rid of this topic..no longer a need for it right??  trash it!!!!

[Rekov]

First of all n00b, i didnt spam votes. I didnt even start the vote. I simply said, "Why would i vote like that?" after you ordered me to vote a certain way, taking away our freedom (if you are a communist, i will hunt you down).

Selective memory is such an amusing concept, don't you agree?
1.)I try not to tell people how to vote. I asked why you were voting the first time( I believe it was a nextmap vote, and this map was playing just fine)
2.) It was only after multiple votes of the same kind(the first few failed, go figure) I asked you all to f2(since the first few were shot down as well) and stop voting.
3.) I never once insulted you, or commanded you to do anything.

You had an attitude with me, and I kicked you. I was fine to leave it at that, but you apparently were not.
You re-joined the server, and pretty much told me to f-off.
As i've said before, I kicked you(and I would have left it at that) but you felt the need to come back, and insult me further. In all honesty, I probably should have set the tempban a bit less then I did, but I didn't.

All I ask of the people that play on my server, is a reasonable amount of restraint in what you say, and the way you act. Not a hard concept really.

-Y

We both know this is not true. I NEVER started a vote. The first time i was kicked for no reason. You actually said "no reason, fuck you". The second time, i was short with you. You said to vote F2, and as far as i was concerned, i wanted to play the next map. The votes were 4 v 4, and you got pissed off because I voted F1 when YOU, not the majority of players, wanted to continue playing on this map. Yes, I was short with you, I said "Why would I vote like that?" before I voted, so you knew I was the last one to vote.

I will not try to convince these people of the truth, for they shall believe what they wish to believe, and I will no longer deal with you, because you are just like any other administrator of anything. The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant of the universe, and it will always win becaue it always has the power to turn off the people who threaten them.

[Rekov]

Unknown"]*sigh* so much drama going on...i hate drama... always try to stay away from it but since im the head admin here i have to step in i guess... so lets start with rekov again...

rekov i unbanned u and gave u a second chance... take that chance and go play and have fun... ur rants are starting to tell me that u are indeed a dick and probably deserved that ban 100%...in fact im starting to think i should put that ban back up.... u have no more business with us.. ur unbanned so leave and stop responding to these posts... yawn did the right thing and im backing him up all the way... so y dont u go hit a tree on the way home...



now as for b-_-d... bg server has like 5 more admins now so tell me who what when where how and why.... just saying bg admin is an ass feels like a direct insult to me.. there is no ff on beergarden for the 80th time since i hear it from alomost every person out there... there is a chance that turrets might kill ya.. its rare but it happens but it should be off..

so once again 1 problem down and another shoved in my face again...

Think FOOL. I am defending myself. And the notion that i did something wrong before i got aggrevated by your foolishness in trusting your admins and started DEFENDING my self against these slanderous attacks is outragous.  He banned me for voting the way i wanted to vote. I would not have been banned if my vote had not changed the result, and everyone hear knows it.

[Yawn]

Rekov, I had considered this topic closed. You were unbanned, there is nothing wrong now.
However, you keep responding, insulting people, and trying to force the fact that you were right down everyones throat.

The series of events doesn't even matter now, as it's in the past. The situation had been resolved.
Maybe you should stop coming in here, and making an ass out of yourself.

-Y

[b-_-d]

Rekov you can be a problem or a solution. The choice is yours. Help admin my server.