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Is the shotgun too over powered?

Yes
8 (14%)
No
49 (86%)

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Voting closed: August 05, 2006, 05:42:56 am

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Stof

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« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2006, 07:43:06 pm »
Quote from: "rasz_pl"
Quote from: "Stof"
The only thing we should be removing are dumb things. Money system is one of them : why the hell are human soldier buying their own weapon with their own cash ? If I was one of them and saw that I would run screaming from such stupid army ! No way I'll risk my neck for them :P


what money? ill I see in my game is credits, you get awarded credits for hurting aliens

Aren't you a little pedantic here ? :roll:
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Seffylight

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« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2006, 08:29:48 pm »
Quote from: "Stof"
Quote from: "rasz_pl"
Quote from: "Stof"
The only thing we should be removing are dumb things. Money system is one of them : why the hell are human soldier buying their own weapon with their own cash ? If I was one of them and saw that I would run screaming from such stupid army ! No way I'll risk my neck for them :P


what money? ill I see in my game is credits, you get awarded credits for hurting aliens

Aren't you a little pedantic here ? :roll:


Not neccesarily, he brings about a good point. Maybe instead of thinking of credits as money, you should think of credits as merits. Gather enough merits and you get a promotion, fall in battle and you lose the promotion you gained and have to work up more merits.

EDIT: Because, let's face it, an army making soldiers pay for equipment in money? That's rediculous. Now, making them earn merits to increase to more elite ranks (so to speak) is a more sensible way to think of it. You could even view the credits that you get for staying alive as a sort of.. survival merit? Something like that.

It made sense to me.
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Nux

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« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2006, 09:38:23 pm »
Quote from: "Seffylight"
...fall in battle and you lose the promotion you gained and have to work up more merits.


Now let's get this straight, (bearing in mind that these are clearly the same people as the unused credits are passed on) this guy has been awarded privelages for his courage and valor in battle only to be shunned for having died while trying to do the same thing?

XD

I don't think a 'promotion' is the way to look at it. You could say that they are just making sure they only give their weapons to the people who continually prove their effectiveness in using them..

..or maybe you get a wage for giving your country some more tastey alien meat? What else would this war be about? =P
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PHREAK

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« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2006, 11:40:48 pm »
ummmm, Hummies are mercenaries!

'nuff said?
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Stof

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« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2006, 11:55:51 pm »
What did I say about dumb reasons ? :D
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urphy's rules of combat
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Juno

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« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2006, 12:36:48 am »
Quote from: "rasz_pl"

CHOMP, napkin just ATE your poor silly ass




napkin and a few others are the exceptions to that rule lol
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Seffylight

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« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2006, 01:06:10 am »
Quote from: "Nux"
Quote from: "Seffylight"
...fall in battle and you lose the promotion you gained and have to work up more merits.


Now let's get this straight, (bearing in mind that these are clearly the same people as the unused credits are passed on) this guy has been awarded privelages for his courage and valor in battle only to be shunned for having died while trying to do the same thing?


Hey, you fail your mission, you get demerits. :P
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Stof

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« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2006, 01:21:50 am »
Yeah, nothing like sending badly equiped mens to the battlefield to maximise your chance of victory 8)
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urphy's rules of combat
8 ) Teamwork is essential; it gives the enemy someone else to shoot at.
18 ) Make it too tough for the enemy to get in and you can't get out.

Nux

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« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2006, 05:35:44 am »
Quote from: "Stof"
Yeah, nothing like sending badly equiped mens to the battlefield to maximise your chance of victory 8)


I beg to differ.

There are alot of things like sending badly equipped men to the battlefield to maximize your chance of victory.

Sending badly equipped marshmallows is one of them. :P

Good point though =)
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Zakky

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« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2006, 07:47:26 pm »
Quote from: "Nux"
Quote from: "Seffylight"
...fall in battle and you lose the promotion you gained and have to work up more merits.
What else would this war be about? =P


That brings up a good question...what is this war about?  :P
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David

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« Reply #40 on: August 13, 2006, 08:07:12 pm »
its all about the badly equipped marshmallows.
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Zakky

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« Reply #41 on: August 13, 2006, 08:26:56 pm »
Damn those marshmellows  :x

And their gooey goodness  :P
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Teiman

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« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2006, 09:10:04 am »
Its a corporation. Not a governement. Is all about CREDITS, because credits is the current space money. On the about page is writed like that, a corporation.
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Stof

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« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2006, 11:01:34 am »
Quote from: "Teiman"
Its a corporation. Not a governement. Is all about CREDITS, because credits is the current space money. On the about page is writed like that, a corporation.

Exactly ! And since training a soldir costs far far much than most weapons you give them, it's expected that for money reason, you give them the best equipment possible so as to maximise their chance to get back alive !
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urphy's rules of combat
8 ) Teamwork is essential; it gives the enemy someone else to shoot at.
18 ) Make it too tough for the enemy to get in and you can't get out.

Nux

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« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2006, 03:08:24 pm »
Quote from: "Stof"
Quote from: "Teiman"
Its a corporation. Not a governement. Is all about CREDITS, because credits is the current space money. On the about page is writed like that, a corporation.

Exactly ! And since training a soldir costs far far much than most weapons you give them, it's expected that for money reason, you give them the best equipment possible so as to maximise their chance to get back alive !


Don't forget the marshmallows  :wink:

Those aliens must be a peskily frequent problem if they have a whole corperation based on killing them. :P

..or maybe they used to do arts and crafts before the aliens arrived.
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Teiman

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« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2006, 04:45:43 pm »
For god sake!

Is a honest Corporation trying to save the world and win some honest money. You can't make profit if you give a Battlesuit and a Lucy to the first noob that join our army. So theres a system where the soldiers WILL buy the weapons from his own money. That way the solviers will really care about the weapons and the waste of very valuable corporative credits will be minimal.

The corporation is here to make money, Ok?. Is a job. So go and clean that dawn "Transit" station from the infestations. For gods sake!.. Is only a few unintelligent bugs and you are a human with modern weapons. What can do? Byte your ass?.  You are not a space marine, but a corporal private. There here are not "merits" but money, only money.
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Rippy

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« Reply #46 on: August 14, 2006, 08:42:51 pm »
Quote from: "Dark Applepolisher"
Quote from: "Karvajalka"
If you have trouble killing shptgun users, just sneak up behind, first for head and rest should be easy....

There are many players in this game that are good enough to not be snuck up on like that.

Yeah, good players also have to be nerfed.

The shotgun is balanced, more-or-less. When a goon can 1-hit kill you (and from quite far away if they're good with their pounce) and a mara can do it in 2 hits, does it seem OP that a shotgun takes 4 or 3 perfect shots respectively? The spread makes it so it takes at least twice that from farther off.

The only balancing I think would be remotely fair would be to decrease the damage per pellet to 6 or so, giving it 48 damage a shot. That way you can't take out a Tyrant in one magazine (lol, shotgun magazine) But then it takes 5 perfect shots to kill a goon, when a goon can still get you in one.
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Juno

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« Reply #47 on: August 14, 2006, 08:58:10 pm »
Quote from: "Teiman"
Its a corporation. Not a governement. Is all about CREDITS, because credits is the current space money. On the about page is writed like that, a corporation.



the corporation is myspace



those pesky emo kids :human:



Quote from: "Rippy"


The only balancing I would be fair would be to make it fire more pellets doing less damage, maybe 12 pellets doing 4 damage each, giving it 48 damage a shot. That way you can't take out a Tyrant in one magazine (lol, shotgun magazine) But then it takes 5 perfect shots to kill a goon, when a goon can still get you in one.




na leave it so that mediocre players like me can actually take down goons at s1 lol
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Nux

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« Reply #48 on: August 14, 2006, 09:15:26 pm »
Quote from: "Teiman"
For god sake!

Is a honest Corporation trying to save the world and win some honest money. You can't make profit if you give a Battlesuit and a Lucy to the first noob that join our army. So theres a system where the soldiers WILL buy the weapons from his own money. That way the solviers will really care about the weapons and the waste of very valuable corporative credits will be minimal.

The corporation is here to make money, Ok?. Is a job. So go and clean that dawn "Transit" station from the infestations. For gods sake!.. Is only a few unintelligent bugs and you are a human with modern weapons. What can do? Byte your ass?.  You are not a space marine, but a corporal private. There here are not "merits" but money, only money.


Don't mind me. I just like to argue. As long as it's friendly =)

So, this corperation is making money. Who's paying them?

The government maybe? Oh, so we're back to square one :P

I think this game has alot more value when you think more about killing the bug-eyed aliens and less about the workings of the tremulous universe.
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Rekov

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« Reply #49 on: August 16, 2006, 05:34:41 am »
this game is well balanced. THat should be considered in every proposal: Will this throw off the balance that already exists. Next thing you will say that goons shouldnt be able to insta kill in s1
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Aninhumer

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« Reply #50 on: August 16, 2006, 11:04:03 am »
Quote from: "Nux"

Don't mind me. I just like to argue. As long as it's friendly =)

So, this corperation is making money. Who's paying them?

The government maybe? Oh, so we're back to square one :P


Anyone who's played D&D knows perfectly well that all monsters carry loads of money. Even if there doesn't seem to be a way to carry it ;)
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