Wanna know why do humans camp?

[rasz_pl]

What do aliens get? Adv baskalisk and poison upgrade. They do not get any higher levels of aliens, goon is still the most advanced. Dont get me wrong the adv bask and poison is cool. But they have the helmet making them immune to both. Any human wearing a helmet negates both of them entirely.

Not to pick, but you're forgetting the adv mara.

he also forgot that NOTHING wearable stops the poison

[Rippy]

Look, if you ask me, the only problem is this: the team who gains the power, keeps it. If you look around, this is almost always the case, and is the only real balance issue I can see.

For example, if aliens get the first kills at the start of the game, they win because the unequipped humans don't stand a chance against maras and goons. Same goes for the other way around, dretches and basis can't compete against larmour and anything shotgun or higher. It also happens later in the game, if a whole team gets better equipment at around the same time (common at stage advancements). When a bunch of aliens go Tyrant, it's very hard to kill them all so there are no longer any Tyrants. Likewise, it's hard to kill a bunch of bsuits+lucis.

What this means is that, basically, the team who gets the heavy hitters first wins. Not much you can do about it, though.

[Survivor]

Wrong really, two competent teams can go toe to toe even after one gains an advantage. The fact is just that in public servers 1 team rules, usually aliens, because experienced players prefer it. If you're a good human player you still need some help to take good aliens down which basecampers just can't provide.

Provide two good teams who know basic and regular tactics and you will have exciting games.

[player12345]

Why humans camp, this is how i see it.

Human s1, Alien s1/2 btw
The reasons are listed from most important to least important

1) To stop the newbs from feeding
2) The newbs feed alien too much already/ Alien has lot of goon/mara
3) The newbs forgect to wear armour/helmet and gets owned the second they step out of base and decides to camp
4) Only 1 player in the team gathers up the kills and the rest just feeds/camps/etc

[Juno]

the game is balanced

teams may not be

look



i am not the best player


i am not boasting, but when playing noobs on crappy servers its so easy to rack up 60+ kills and be the one that almost does everything to win


but on other servers ( aleins wrath, which btw rocks) usually have a good range of players, ie 1/2 noobs, intermediates and "pros" (please do not argue about the word pro lol)

if i see a few certain names on one team, they are certain to win, due to


1.)having thier own skill

2.) having team work ie groups of s2 humans

3.) the fact that the game is balanced and if the aleins work well they rock


example, me as aliens with a nice number of kills. feeding leads to s2 humans in packs

althought people may get annoyed, i use team chat alot to stir up support and keep communtications going

we got me as goon, another goon, and 2 adv maras in a pack


s2 humans, in a group of 3, try and take on 2 goons and 2 maras at the same time

casutalites on both sides



the game is balanced!!!!!!!!teams are not!!!!!!!!!!!please mods sticky this fact, i have said it so many times lol





but remember


game balanced, teams not

[kevlarman]

the game is balanced

teams may not be

[/quote] just to emphasise this point: one particular server had aliens winning 80% of all games, until the operator asked me to write a patch that prevented players from choosing specific teams (you were forced to autoselect), and just like that, the server was almost perfectly balanced.

[PHREAK]

Hummies camp for all the wrong reasons.
However, aliens camp because of Tremma!

[Quaoar]

Look, if you ask me, the only problem is this: the team who gains the power, keeps it. If you look around, this is almost always the case, and is the only real balance issue I can see.

For example, if aliens get the first kills at the start of the game, they win because the unequipped humans don't stand a chance against maras and goons. Same goes for the other way around, dretches and basis can't compete against larmour and anything shotgun or higher. It also happens later in the game, if a whole team gets better equipment at around the same time (common at stage advancements). When a bunch of aliens go Tyrant, it's very hard to kill them all so there are no longer any Tyrants. Likewise, it's hard to kill a bunch of bsuits+lucis.

What this means is that, basically, the team who gets the heavy hitters first wins. Not much you can do about it, though.

There is certainly a dynamic to it. Many times all out (usually alien) offenses can turn the tides of battle so long as the humans can hold out. It tends to be a Pyrrhic victory of sorts; aliens may be doing massive amounts of damage to the human base, but if humans manage to hold onto their credits well enough and let the aliens whittle away their evos in hopes of victory, sometimes you end up turning Tyrants into Dretches, or at least enough of them to get the humans on the offensive. At least in the case of A attacking H, the base struggle at the human's side can flip the advantages.

[temple]

The problem is that most humans can't shoot for crap.  So, they barely get credits to upgrade, are afraid to explore the map because they might die and waste their credits, and they can't use the later weapons to get kills on the bigger aliens.

Humans seems to think they can't kill aliens.  That's flatly false.  Any human can kill any alien.  However, it requires the right weapon and its not always Chaingun/Battlesuit.

[Stof]

Any human can kill any alien.  However, it requires the right weapon and its not always Chaingun/Battlesuit.

Well, you can hardly go wrong with that combo It can kill any alien, it mows down the bigger ones and can kill the smaller forms very fast if they get close.

Since aliens have to get close to cause any form of damage, it sure is a good combo

[holyknight]

chainguns pwn dragoons, also Mass Driver when they are trying to run away

[rasz_pl]

omfg another shit thread!?

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[PHREAK]

LOL, Pikas are cute. Almost as cute as fluffy grangers

[temple]

Any human can kill any alien.  However, it requires the right weapon and its not always Chaingun/Battlesuit.

Well, you can hardly go wrong with that combo It can kill any alien, it mows down the bigger ones and can kill the smaller forms very fast if they get close.

Since aliens have to get close to cause any form of damage, it sure is a good combo

Chaingun is not a good offensive weapon.  The only reason chaingun is powerful is because humans can still move at full speed.
Chaingun should slow humans.

edit: I know people will disagree but frankly, if you can kill with Chaingun, you can do it with another weapon.