SST Flamewar

[Smokey]

I'll mingle in this discussion just once.

First up digs. ss #1 shows you lost while you had the highest killcount, and ss #2 shows you have a draw with most kills. Both are  not good examples of skill as we understand it in trem.
Skill in trem is defined by completing the objective, which currently can only be defined as annihilating the opposing team and their spawns. Anything else is simply a method of obtaining that objective.

On the subject of bad servers. Are there any? As mentioned different servers cater to different playstyles. That people will try other styles is natural and we can't limit them in the servers they (are allowed to) play on. If you cannot agree with how people play show them how it is done, don't whine, don't abuse. Show them the way. If they don't like it they will most probably go looking for the next server which might serve their needs.

Smokey, the fact that you say that you don't play at SST means that you can't discuss the fine points when you don't have a first-hand grasp of them.
And if you think people need to be a good player to form a worthwhile opinion than you are forgetting the framework of the question. People need to be good players to comment on gameplay, mapflow and changes in mods/official builds to ensure good playability in high-class matches.
People who want to have fun don't care about that. They simply want a server where they can play to their liking in the game that was developed by the devs, mappers and gameplay experts. If people think that they have the most fun on a 52-player server let them. They won't have fun on your server and you won't have fun on theirs (as you have made obviously clear). Don't judge them for that.

Going off that, This is a topic about opinions. And as I don't give a shit about public play, clan play matters to me. So that means good players matter to me. So SST is a waste of time, in not only my opinion, but many others.

This all boils down to people be ignorant to the fact that people don't like to acknowledge that other people have opinions.

[Plague Bringer]

Give it a fucking break.

We know you love bashing SST|, we know you hate the server. So stop your mother fucking bitching. Shut-the-fuck-up. It's a server with some different settings. Big whoop. It's ONE fucking server, go play with the rest of Zilla on your clan server if you don't like SST|. You apparently want to shut down SST|, well keep it to yourself, do it in private, and stop your immature bashing. You're trying to get everyone to hate SST| by constantly bashing it, grow the fuck up. You're more immature then those 12 year olds that showed up on your teamspeak.

[Smokey]

Give it a fucking break.

No?

We know you love bashing SST|,

No I don't, Its a blatant waste of my time.

we know you hate the server.

This is true.

So stop your mother fucking bitching. Shut-the-fuck-up.

No? This is a topic about opinions, and I'm stating mine.

It's a server with some different settings. Big whoop. It's ONE fucking server, go play with the rest of Zilla on your clan server if you don't like SST|.

I do and will continue to.(Maybe you should try it, it might make you good.)

You apparently want to shut down SST|, well keep it to yourself, do it in private, and stop your immature bashing.

No. I don't want all those newbies running around ruining good servers, In a way SST is brilliant, it keeps the "fun-loving" players in one spot.

You're trying to get everyone to hate SST| by constantly bashing it, grow the fuck up.

No I'm not, I'm stating my opinion. And if you can't interpret that, maybe you will once you pass 9th grade english. I'm not bashing it, I'm stating the truth.

You're more immature then those 12 year olds that showed up on your teamspeak.

Good call, coming from the kid who is always looking for a reason/way to talk some smack. Keep the effort up, Maybe you can beat OPP again!

[Plague Bringer]

We 'scrimmed' F5. You've voiced your opinion enough, now gtfo. If you don't love bashing SST| why do you. And don't deny that you are. Yeah, yeah, it's your opinion, well, we only need to hear it once, after that, it's bashing. You're not stating the truth, you're stating your opinion; perhaps you are the one who has yet to pass english, eh? Unless, of course, you are so ignorant that you think that your opinion is the only opinion.

[Smokey]

We 'scrimmed' F5. You've voiced your opinion enough, now gtfo. If you don't love bashing SST| why do you. And don't deny that you are. Yeah, yeah, it's your opinion, well, we only need to hear it once, after that, it's bashing. You're not stating the truth, you're stating your opinion; perhaps you are the one who has yet to pass english, eh? Unless, of course, you are so ignorant that you think that your opinion is the only opinion.

I'm simply replying to people questioning my opinion, and whats funny is that they contradict themselves by saying "I DON'T PLAY ON SST" like its a bad thing.

And it IS the truth, SST is full of newbies.

[theRifle]

So many words about SST ... and all neccessary could have been said in a few words.

[Caveman]

I'm not bashing it, I'm stating the truth

...it IS the truth, SST is full of newbies.

As for playing on SST, I don't. Never have, Never will.

Dude, grow up.
Your opinion will never be the truth, no matter how often you repeat it.

Your expressed truth is just how you percieve a server should be set up, no matter if it is founded or not.
And you want to dictated it to all others, even those that don't agree with you and actually like to play there.

All you are saying is that SST is bad because you don't like their configuration and that all should use the standard configuration.
My dear Mr. Watson, could you tell us why the configuratin is not hardcoded and making it thus OK to be changed?

What you are doing is the same that Hitler did.
Just because you THINK something is bad, you want all other to think the same.

And that is what really sets me off, as I believe in freedom for server owners to do with their server what they like and configure it as they see fit.

If YOU have problems with players from there, it's not them, it is YOU and your players that are unable to educate them, thus showing that you'd also have problems with Newbies.

If you don't like those players, password your servers and be done with it.

But do not try to dictate anyone how to run his server.


PS: due to some nice hate-mail... I am not supporting SST explcitly, I am supporting the owners rights to run the servers to their liking, no matter who. To tell the truth again, I don't like SST as we don't see eye to eye about some licencing issues. (check the forum what those are, it dont belong here)

PPS: could a mod split this thread? While the topic is a good one and we do need a warning from unattended servers, but not the bashing that goes on here.

[benmachine]

inb4flamewar

Two. Pages. Ago. You guys are so predictable (it takes at least two to make a flamewar, by the way, keep that in mind).

That said, while I'm here, I have a few points I'd like to address:

They are just words on a website. Fucking pixels coded by fucking bytes sent over a fucking network between fucking boxes of silicon and metal, nothing more.

Yeah, and letters people write to you are just ink on a page. People's speech is just rapidly-moving pressure patterns in the air...

The internet is a legitimate form of communication now, and in my opinion, it's just as rude to berate someone on some website somewhere as it would be to phone them up and shout "YOU'RE A WANKER" into the receiver.

Secondly

What you are doing is the same that Hitler did.

FAIL
You may want to read up on Godwin's Law, noting especially that:

...once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress...

Finally:

While the topic is a good one and we do need a warning from unattended servers

No it wasn't. Anyone with a little foresight could see what was coming half a mile off. You of all people should know the level of stupidity on this forum is quite sufficient to ensure this thread is split 50% baseless accusations and 25% each SST and S11. Are you really going to trust the advice of anyone here without going to see for yourself?

[Plague Bringer]

I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Caveman. I surely wouldn't have used Hitler as an example, but it is the same thing (see Caveman's post for explination -.-;; ).

Ben, what do- nvm, you want to stay out of this flame war. >.>

[Smokey]

Caveman I laughed. Thanks.

[Plague Bringer]

Take a hint.

[benmachine]

I'd just like to clarify that although I very much disagree with Caveman's method of arguing in this case, I don't necessarily disagree with the actual points he makes. I certainly have nothing against SST (I compiled their game.qvm ^_^ ).

[Caveman]

Ben, might I suggest you read the posted link yourself?
Especially the part "Corollaries and usage" where it says

Godwin's Law does not apply to discussions directly addressing genocide, propaganda or other mainstays of the Nazi regime.

[benmachine]

Ben, might I suggest you read the posted link yourself? :P
Especially the part "Corollaries and usage" where it says

Godwin's Law does not apply to discussions directly addressing genocide, propaganda or other mainstays of the Nazi regime.

I think you have to use a fair bit of imagination to conclude this is a discussion of propoganda. Even if it is, that doesn't detract from the point that comparing Smokey to Hitler is a pretty absurd thing to do, and is unnecessarily evocative and emotive given the exceptionally mundane circumstances.

[Paradox]

This is the split off topic. It has since been locked.