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« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2007, 12:01:30 pm »
How long was it anyway, without any satgnu whines...
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« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2007, 12:03:04 pm »
dude servers are owned by individuals they can let you in or not. It is the owners choice. Is it better to make the server passworded and only let ppl who knows the password. try to think as a passworded server that polish players dont have the pass but some of them given the password on request
Get over it

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« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2007, 12:20:40 pm »
Quote from: "rorio"
*random trolling*


I'd like to see you speak up for Britain, France or South Africa if they were to be banned from some server. My bet is you wouldn't, because you are someone who took offence to a sensible reaction to a growing problem. The fact that you conveniently discard the truth that SatGNU allow polish players who aren't being generalized in if they ask to be let in blatantly hits you with the troll stick.

I'll give you a strong image seeing as you seem completely oblivious. A certain group of people come to your house, act like assholes and generally make a mess of things. This happens pretty much every night, it may or may not be the same people.. but that's irrelevant. At some point you react and kick that particular group out of your house. Sure, you have some friends in that group so you don't kick them out and so they're welcome to return.

If you can't see the relationship in that image you need to take the stick out of your arse and get off your high horse. Neither are doing you any favours.

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« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2007, 12:39:52 pm »
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good bye and fuck you all


THAT is a reason that gets ppl banned. Does it come as a surprise that it's mostly the polish that get hit, them with the beautiful language that is based upon swearing?

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« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2007, 12:41:54 pm »
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good bye and fuck you all


fuck you too
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« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2007, 12:53:05 pm »
Quote from: "rorio"
You're problem is that you generalize: there is one guy from Poland and you ban whole country.

You continue to fail to understand (or refuse to understand) that the Satgnu ban is NOT the result of one person.  It is the result of an admin looking at their already created ban list (of IPs, I might add), a list created by multiple admins individually banning people when they join a server to decon or grief, and noticing that the vast majority of the bans come from a particular IP range.  The IP range is unimportant, could be from Greece, Uganda, Canada, where they are from is irrelevant.  The admin realizes that they can ban an IP subnet or 2 and their deconning and griefing problems will diminish considerably seeing as that particular IP subnet is from where most of their trouble originates.  If a server is having a particularly difficult time with griefers then this is something they will look at.

Satgnu banned some particularly troublesome subnets that happen to be Polish subnets.  Those IP subnets weren't banned BECAUSE they were polish, there were banned because those IP subnets were the source of the majority of Satgnu's problems.

On a side note, MANY of us server operators have experienced problems with players who originate in Poland. I myself run a server where groups of Polish players will join and begin vote kicking others so that they may have the server for themselves.  I joined once to find them immediately trying to vote kick me.  I let the vote run and when I wasn't kicked (I can't be, its my server :) ) I banned the lot of them.  Did I do so because they were Polish? No.  I did it because they were abusing a private server that I am kind enough to open to the public.  This has not happened with any other group!  I have only witnessed groups of Polish players doing this on my server!  I have heard countless other stories from other server operators, sadly they often involve Polish players.

You can tell us how wrong we all are without bothering to investigate why this has happened all you want.  But perhaps we would all be better served if you were to discover why so many of your compatriots treat the rest of us so poorly, and with such disdain.

This whole rant of mine doesn't even touch on the fact that Satgnu, all tremulous servers in fact, are PRIVATE.  Their owners can do what they want.  If they choose to open slots to the public that is their choice, as is ANYTHING else they do on THEIR server.  You, or anyone else who bothers to complain about a server, are more than welcome to start your own server.  It's free, so get started.

There being more Polish servers would probably serve the tremulous community well actually.  Because then there would be Polish server operators who would understand how the technology works, and would then be able to explain to their Polish brethren what this is all about.

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« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2007, 05:16:49 pm »
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You're problem is that you generalize

No, you are our problem.

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It's bloody unfair.

'Elämä on.'

Still waiting for that lock. Or maybe you should add "satgnu" to the forum profanity filter to get rid of these threads permanently?

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« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2007, 05:23:22 pm »
First note: :( on my previous post being invalidated
Second note: I think this issue could be somewhat alleviated with a little better PR on the hand of the server owners. Instead of referring to it as a ban on Poland, if we referred to it as the ban on subnet 123.45.*.* (whatever it is) then people would be less inclined to feel that their nation has been insulted or discriminated against. People feel less loyalty to their IP range.
I realise that many of the operators may take the view that anyone who cares can go fuck themselves, but you have to admit it's unwelcoming to new, legitimate players to see such a message. You keep the ban, and the request for individuals to ask on IRC for whitelisting, but you change the attitude and feeling behind it.

For the record, I'm not actually against what Satgnu did, it was an effective solution to a serious problem, but still you can't honestly say you're surprised to see people taking offence, and I am just trying to accommodate them too.
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« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2007, 05:47:14 pm »
tbh I think if newbs get pissed of just by reading some topic, instead of the thread itself, we actually are better off without them.
Have a look at that Rorio guy. He is the best example for it.

Instead of understanding that it is a ban by ip-range he only ticks off on the wording.

I am not going to write here (again) the reasoning for that range banning :)

But if he thinks that those reasons were wrong, that's his opinion and he is entitle to that, no matter if it's plain wrong or out of ignorance.
So just ignore him, it not worth another topic.
He is proving to be a prime specimen of that ip-range after all, with all of the problems :D

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« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2007, 06:06:39 pm »
Sorry for telling you to fuck, I was very angry yesterday. If you don't want to fuck, you don't have to.
Well, well, well... I have said everything I had to say, your arguments are simply silly, the funniest one was about
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Password that poles don't know
. So put a password on your server and it will be the same for everyone no matter where he/she comes from and it would be fair.
I'm not going to waste more of my time and I'm going to play on Tbase. Ask there If Marduk(that's me:D ) suck. You can stay here agreeing with each others. Servers like satgnu sentence them selves to being ignored and so do you. Actions like the one on the infamous sat gnu are nationalistic. That's the fact.
Ahh, I would forget: I'm not against discriminating Poles, I'm against any form of discrimination concerning any nation or any people.
You don't ban any subnet only all ips that come from Poland. Read the post by cavemen. In Poland there are more than one internet provider, so If you don't want someone with dynip to vandalise the most restrictive thing you can do is banning one provider's subnet.
You assume everything I say is pointless. Try to use your head and feel like you were in my shoes: I can't access some servers because I'm Pole, not because my net provider is tpsa(polish biggest provider). And that's the problem. F**k. Don't tell me it's not a national discrimination. See http://ip-to-country.webhosting.info/downloads/ip-to-country.csv.zip

Yes, I'm doing a mess here, I react very emotionally but I just can't tolerate such things taking place in 21th century and concerning open source. Don't you see any analogy between banning Poles to use some 'devices' and Jews in Germany after 1933 banned from going to parks etc, or Afroamericans banned from using public transport? I do and it hurts me, not because it concerns me personally, but because it's nazi like practice. Haven't you forgotten how it can end?

I know some Polish players are trouble makers, and I deprecate them. , but don't make every Pole
a hooligan. Fight with individuals not the whole nation.

Don't be hate blinded and narrow minded.

Best wishes, Kubuś vel rorio vel Marduk vel tit :*

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« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2007, 07:46:19 pm »
who ever said life was fair lied to you.

its their sever, they can do fuck all they want to do with it.

don't like it, play somewhere else or make your own server.

just because you don't like it doesn't mean the rest of us cant like it.

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« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2007, 07:47:42 pm »
Quote from: "rorio"
Well, I'm sorry but I'm right.
I have said the truth and, my god, what more can I do?


You can visit the morons who got your provider banned and deliver them our greetings, preferably using heavy blunt object.

BTW, I'm admin on KOCOUR-CZ (four Czech Tremulous servers) and we too had to ban Neostrada ADSL because a bunch of morons kept coming back abusing dynamic IPs to decon. We DID notify the ISP about abuse but there was no response, hence a ban. So please go ahead and file an official complaint to your ISP that you cannot access some network services because some other customers abused dynamic IPs and caused ISP-wide ban. The more complaints the better. If it doesn't help, find a provider that will take care of abusers on their own.
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« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2007, 07:50:47 pm »
I'm going to do this one last time since I'm bored and the words I write will still be dismissed by you.

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Sorry for telling you to fuck, I was very angry yesterday. If you don't want to fuck, you don't have to.

Very nice of course.

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Well, well, well... I have said everything I had to say, your arguments are simply silly, the funniest one was about
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Password that poles don't know
. So put a password on your server and it will be the same for everyone no matter where he/she comes from and it would be fair.

It was just an analogy. And that password on that server would make it Private like he said. But some private servers open up slots to the public as a service. When that service gets abused by certain groups those groups are banned because other groups might use them more wisely.

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I'm not going to waste more of my time and I'm going to play on Tbase. Ask there If Marduk(that's me:D ) suck. You can stay here agreeing with each others. Servers like satgnu sentence them selves to being ignored and so do you. Actions like the one on the infamous sat gnu are nationalistic. That's the fact.

They are targeting a focus group. The problem came from so many Poles that it just wasn't possible to keep up banning all of the troublemakers on time so noone else's game would be ruined.

You can read the examples. There was a lot of kurwa kurwa, so much even that some servers still ban that word. They haven't banned fuck or anything just the incredibly overused kurwa.

Also I presume you have read tuple's post. He states a common problem back then which was hostile server takeover by the vote system. A large group could kick all other players.
But remarkably only one common denomitar could be discovered for groups that did that. And it was that all the players doing the takeover came from Polish ips. No other groups did this as widespread as the Poles. There's a fair number of dutchos, germans and other nationalities playing yet they didn't do that so regularly that it could even be noted.

When the Polish subnet was banned on some euro servers it seems they shifted to the us side with higher ping.

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Ahh, I would forget: I'm not against discriminating Poles, I'm against any form of discrimination concerning any nation or any people.
You don't ban any subnet only all ips that come from Poland. Read the post by cavemen. In Poland there are more than one internet provider, so If you don't want someone with dynip to vandalise the most restrictive thing you can do is banning one provider's subnet.

I can imagine there being only several major providers. It is very likely that griefers are using internet from those providers. And you only need to ban like 3 of the main isps to block 80% of the people. This is true for just about any country.
That is why it actually isn't a surprise that so many poles are banned. I would bet that some very small polish providers haven't been banned, even by satgnu. Why? Because there are no griefers coming from those nets.


Quote from: "rorio"

You assume everything I say is pointless. Try to use your head and feel like you were in my shoes: I can't access some servers because I'm Pole, not because my net provider is tpsa(polish biggest provider). And that's the problem. F**k. Don't tell me it's not a national discrimination.

Let us correct that sentence.
You cannot acces some servers because a subnet belonging to the majority of a country was banned due to the disproportionate griefing of a certain group of people coming from that country.

If it were germans, germany would have been banned; if it were dutchos, the dutch would be banned. But it was the Poles, and the Poles got banned.

Quote from: "rorio"

Yes, I'm doing a mess here, I react very emotionally but I just can't tolerate such things taking place in 21th century and concerning open source. Don't you see any analogy between banning Poles to use some 'devices' and Jews in Germany after 1933 banned from going to parks etc, or Afroamericans banned from using public transport? I do and it hurts me, not because it concerns me personally, but because it's nazi like practice. Haven't you forgotten how it can end?

This is the internet, this is going very far. Since one was instigated by government due to ideology and the need of a scapegoat while the other is instigated by private owners of servers due to statistical analysis of the bans already put in place.
How it ends is like this. People like you whining because they do not understand or are willing to understand the cause of this action.

Quote from: "rorio"

I know some Polish players are trouble makers, and I deprecate them. , but don't make every Pole a hooligan. Fight with individuals not the whole nation.


Server owners pay to play, not ban people all day long.

Quote from: "rorio"

Don't be hate blinded and narrow minded.

Same goes for you. Accept it.

Now where is my 'I fed the troll' button >:E
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« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2007, 07:50:57 pm »
Quote from: "rorio"
Sorry for telling you to fuck, I was very angry yesterday. If you don't want to fuck, you don't have to.
Well, well, well... I have said everything I had to say, your arguments are simply silly, the funniest one was about
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Password that poles don't know
. So put a password on your server and it will be the same for everyone no matter where he/she comes from and it would be fair.
I'm not going to waste more of my time and I'm going to play on Tbase. Ask there If Marduk(that's me:D ) suck. You can stay here agreeing with each others. Servers like satgnu sentence them selves to being ignored and so do you. Actions like the one on the infamous sat gnu are nationalistic. That's the fact.
Ahh, I would forget: I'm not against discriminating Poles, I'm against any form of discrimination concerning any nation or any people.
You don't ban any subnet only all ips that come from Poland. Read the post by cavemen. In Poland there are more than one internet provider, so If you don't want someone with dynip to vandalise the most restrictive thing you can do is banning one provider's subnet.
You assume everything I say is pointless. Try to use your head and feel like you were in my shoes: I can't access some servers because I'm Pole, not because my net provider is tpsa(polish biggest provider). And that's the problem. F**k. Don't tell me it's not a national discrimination. See http://ip-to-country.webhosting.info/downloads/ip-to-country.csv.zip

Yes, I'm doing a mess here, I react very emotionally but I just can't tolerate such things taking place in 21th century and concerning open source. Don't you see any analogy between banning Poles to use some 'devices' and Jews in Germany after 1933 banned from going to parks etc, or Afroamericans banned from using public transport? I do and it hurts me, not because it concerns me personally, but because it's nazi like practice. Haven't you forgotten how it can end?

I know some Polish players are trouble makers, and I deprecate them. , but don't make every Pole
a hooligan. Fight with individuals not the whole nation.

Don't be hate blinded and narrow minded.

Best wishes, Kubuś vel rorio vel Marduk vel tit :*
how can you be so thick? this has nothing to do with what the germans did. it's how the internet works, you get abuse from an ip, you ban that ip, you get abuse from another ip in the same subnet, you ban the new ip, if you keep getting a large amount of abuse from that subnet, you ban the whole subnet.
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« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2007, 08:19:59 pm »
omg
Poles, Poles, Poles... find another topic ;s isnt that god damn borin?

and btw - SatGNU was a very good server for playin and ive been choosin it mostly until they tried to test new SVN :P (niveus 4ever)
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« Reply #45 on: April 30, 2007, 08:21:48 pm »
Kevlar, Survivor, don't feed him further...
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He is proving to be a prime specimen of that ip-range after all, with all of the problems :D

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« Reply #46 on: April 30, 2007, 08:28:04 pm »
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Well, I'm sorry but I'm right.
I have said the truth and, my god, what more can I do?


You can visit the morons who got your provider banned and deliver them our greetings, preferably using heavy blunt object.

BTW, I'm admin on KOCOUR-CZ (four Czech Tremulous servers) and we too had to ban Neostrada ADSL because a bunch of morons kept coming back abusing dynamic IPs to decon. We DID notify the ISP about abuse but there was no response, hence a ban. So please go ahead and file an official complaint to your ISP that you cannot access some network services because some other customers abused dynamic IPs and caused ISP-wide ban. The more complaints the better. If it doesn't help, find a provider that will take care of abusers on their own.


You did right thing because you banned neostrada only. That's fair.

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« Reply #47 on: April 30, 2007, 08:32:50 pm »
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Kevlar, Survivor, don't feed him further...
Quote from: "Caveman"
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He is proving to be a prime specimen of that ip-range after all, with all of the problems :D


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« Reply #48 on: April 30, 2007, 08:54:19 pm »
@ Survivor:
Somehow servers like twins deal with vandalism without banning any subnets. Only a bit of good will is needed to deal with the problem. If you are lazy you will ban all polish subnets, otherwise only those of them that are used by abusers. Simple.
Another thing is that in 99% of cases ban is temporary. On satgnu it was permanent.
Last problem is that you say about Poles, not about users of 'neostrada', 'dialnet' or other net providers and by doing so you give to such ban a national background.
Nazis did the same thing: some Jewish were communists, the nazis(not only Germans) being narrow minded generalized that and said "Every Jew is a communist", of course apart from that they have discovered many other 'reasons' for persecuting Jews. Do you understand me so far? Ok, so: now some persons lake Cavemen discovered some Polish players misbehave on some servers. His silly reasoning  made him think "Every Pole is a lame". Do you see the analogy now?
I don't beg you to unban me on gnunet or any server discriminating polish ips, I simply want to say there are people that are personally abused by such actions.
Don't blame me for level of this discussion: I haven't started abusing people. I don't look down on anyone.

I'm Pole and I simply dislike being judged by people only because of this. Doing that is nationalism. It's bad you don't realize that, any way reaction of some ppl here has confirmed this.

Am I clear?

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« Reply #49 on: April 30, 2007, 09:24:24 pm »
As opposed to us, we got you the first time around.
You can stop now and get back under your rock.

You just Ignore any reasonable explanation that was given and carry on your crusade against satgnu.

Either get a life or educate the ppl on the banned range.

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« Reply #50 on: April 30, 2007, 09:44:45 pm »
Quote from: "rorio"
You did right thing because you banned neostrada only. That's fair.

Rorio, I can see why you are offended. People get annoyed by these threads because it's been beaten to death, and some react by generalizing.

You might think this is wrong, but this is the way the human mind works. We think in probabilities; if a lot of people from a certain group has been griefing, we conclude that the rest of the people from that group has a high probability of being griefers.

An analogy: most grass I've seen is green. Therefore I think green when I hear or read the word grass; but not all grass is green, and I know that. Therefore my reasoning is valid.

A relevant example: in my experience a lot of people who state their country in their name (for example cz, uk, dk, pl, us) are ill behavioured. They swear, spam, decon and/or tk. The only thing these people have in common is their behaviour and that they have a country tag. So I associate country tags with ill behavioured people, even though I also know a couple of nice people that have country tags.

I have no clue how the two things could be related, but they seem to be, based on my own imperical observations. As long as I keep in mind that there are always exceptions, this logic isn't really flawed. You do the same, I assure you; not just for people but for anything.

Banning subnets is a generalization, and whitelisting is accepting that there are exceptions. I think this is the only practical way, even if it comes at the cost of some collateral damage.

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« Reply #51 on: April 30, 2007, 09:54:25 pm »
For gods sake noone tell him that LOTS of email servers ban all of china to cut down on the crazy amount of spam that gets sent from there, it may trigger the 3rd world war! :P

You are now welcome to do anything you want with your server, as long as rorio is ok with it.

Rorio, You are actually dense enough to compare someone who donates server slots from a server that THEY OWN to whom they choose, to the Nazis.  Seriously, that's like comparing me to the nazi's cause I kicked your family out when only one or two of them were breaking my dishes.  Get a clue.  Please!  Get SOME idea of how the internet ACTUALLY works and then come bother us.

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« Reply #52 on: April 30, 2007, 10:58:49 pm »
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You are now welcome to do anything you want with your server, as long as rorio is ok with it.


Don't get me started on the owner's right to handle his server as he sees fit :D

Or to put it bluntly, let that moron come knocking on my door, my wolf will be happy to have breakfast.

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« Reply #53 on: April 30, 2007, 11:15:47 pm »
Ok rorio........ you're right.  Now shut the fuck up because whether Satgnu is right or wrong for banning all the poles.. NOTHING WILL CHANGE

-You're right it's not fair, learn to fucking deal with it.

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« Reply #54 on: April 30, 2007, 11:34:05 pm »
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Quote from: "tuple"

You are now welcome to do anything you want with your server, as long as rorio is ok with it.


Don't get me started on the owner's right to handle his server as he sees fit :D

Or to put it bluntly, let that moron come knocking on my door, my wolf will be happy to have breakfast.

what if he comes at night

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« Reply #55 on: April 30, 2007, 11:44:32 pm »
No matter the time, it _IS_ breakfast time :P

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« Reply #56 on: May 01, 2007, 05:56:00 am »
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Second note: I think this issue could be somewhat alleviated with a little better PR on the hand of the server owners. Instead of referring to it as a ban on Poland, if we referred to it as the ban on subnet 123.45.*.* (whatever it is) then people would be less inclined to feel that their nation has been insulted or discriminated against. People feel less loyalty to their IP range.
I realise that many of the operators may take the view that anyone who cares can go fuck themselves, but you have to admit it's unwelcoming to new, legitimate players to see such a message. You keep the ban, and the request for individuals to ask on IRC for whitelisting, but you change the attitude and feeling behind it.

For the record, I'm not actually against what Satgnu did, it was an effective solution to a serious problem, but still you can't honestly say you're surprised to see people taking offence, and I am just trying to accommodate them too.


I so agree with this. I like how  these guys handled it, saves so much trouble. Well put.

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« Reply #57 on: May 01, 2007, 10:57:31 am »
If you think that all grass is green it cannot be valid, some species have different colours -> error, kernel panic. Stereotypes are bad for you.
   I know how the net works, but in contrast to some of you I also know how people 'work'. I understand that banning polish ips permanently is a solution to some problems but it's the worst one possible. Do you agree? I think we need to find a better solution to vandalism, that would allow 'normal' people to enjoy tremulous, no matter where they live. Agree? Try to cool down (as I did) and think how would you feel being unable to play a game (that's even open source) because you live in a certain country and being treated like lama or someone worse than others just because of your nationality.
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Can somebody help me out here? What is this Pole talking about?
<- when I read this post I felt like 'Pole' was a invective.
That really sucks. Try to open up your minds and understand my point. From now on try to forget about all stereotypes.

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« Reply #58 on: May 01, 2007, 12:46:33 pm »
Quote from: "rorio"
how would you feel being unable to play a game (that's even open source) because you live in a certain country

All together now everyone:

start your own server then!

Can you possibly dramatize this more?  Are you no longer allowed to play tremulous?  Is there not 150 other servers?

Quote from: "rorio"
when I read this post I felt like 'Pole' was a invective.

See, here we find the crux of the problem, it's a personal problem.  Pole's are Poles, Swedes are Swedes, Americans are Imperialist :P (actually, I refer to myself as a mutt), French are French.  If you want to feel as if the world is talking down to you, then you will continue to see situations in this light.  The person who said what you quoted is sarcastic and dry (and quite funny), you couldn't possibly know that, you joined the forums and immediately started a fight.

The ban on Polish subnets is the result of the disproportionately large number of problems coming out of those subnets.  With that sentence, you focus on Polish, but the sentence is about subnets.

 Add to the fact that people from all over the world post in this forum, and that different people have different names for each other.  Hell, even the names we like to be referred to with can be used invectively.  Was it caveman who wrote it? (/me to lazy to do more than a quick scan for it) You DO need to get that chip off of your shoulder.  It's so big you are walking in circles.

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« Reply #59 on: May 01, 2007, 03:27:46 pm »
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how would you feel being unable to play a game (that's even open source) because you live in a certain country

All together now everyone:

start your own server then!

Can you possibly dramatize this more?  Are you no longer allowed to play tremulous?  Is there not 150 other servers?

Quote from: "rorio"
when I read this post I felt like 'Pole' was a invective.

See, here we find the crux of the problem, it's a personal problem.  Pole's are Poles, Swedes are Swedes, Americans are Imperialist :P (actually, I refer to myself as a mutt), French are French.  If you want to feel as if the world is talking down to you, then you will continue to see situations in this light.  The person who said what you quoted is sarcastic and dry (and quite funny), you couldn't possibly know that, you joined the forums and immediately started a fight.

The ban on Polish subnets is the result of the disproportionately large number of problems coming out of those subnets.  With that sentence, you focus on Polish, but the sentence is about subnets.

 Add to the fact that people from all over the world post in this forum, and that different people have different names for each other.  Hell, even the names we like to be referred to with can be used invectively.  Was it caveman who wrote it? (/me to lazy to do more than a quick scan for it) You DO need to get that chip off of your shoulder.  It's so big you are walking in circles.


You still miss my point. Read my previous post again. I'll be so nice and will highlight the point:)