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« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2007, 10:00:40 pm »
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I'm quite sure it's not a reference.  The name makes sense in its own right.


How so?  I don't understand.

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« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2007, 10:00:53 pm »
I can understand how Lava doesn't want to be associated with Caveman or Plague, because half his flame-wars are with those two people.
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« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2007, 12:20:26 am »
wtf is wrong with you people.. the man posts a board for this shit and yet you continue to do it here in this very thread.

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« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2007, 01:06:33 am »
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How so?  I don't understand.


Go grab a dictionary?

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« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2007, 01:48:19 am »
The forum rules are actually fairly lax when it comes to flaming. The rule on flaming parenthetically clarifies that flaming that has degraded to mere insults is an offense. It is also stated that moderate insults are allowed.

Though this flaming might not be preferable, no post yet seems to breach the rules. The only post that comes close I'd say was-

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KobraKaine, shut up.


What purpose does such a post serve? It is unlikely to encourage KobraKaine to do so. KobraKaine could very easily have been insulted by such an antagonistic phrase. Just catalyst for more flaming.

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« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2007, 03:47:23 am »
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wtf is wrong with you people.. the man posts a board for this shit and yet you continue to do it here in this very thread.


why would i reregister to flame when i could just do it here and have so much more gratification
will sort out my sig, or I will get banned.

HOW DO I SORTED SIG?

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« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2007, 03:51:10 am »
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Quote from: "PIE"
wtf is wrong with you people.. the man posts a board for this shit and yet you continue to do it here in this very thread.


why would i reregister to flame when i could just do it here and have so much more gratification


LOLz

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« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2007, 03:54:50 am »
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I definetly don't want to do that. You don't need any help from me. :wink:  
Once again inflamatory.. blah blah blah


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EDIT: Diggs, please don't make my posts appear more flammatory than they already are.  The smiley indicated it was a playful post.  Intentionally omitting it in your qoute shows you have no intention of reasoning with me.


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« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2007, 08:00:21 am »
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Quote from: "PIE"
wtf is wrong with you people.. the man posts a board for this shit and yet you continue to do it here in this very thread.


why would i reregister to flame when i could just do it here and have so much more gratification

Can't go into much detail.. but you won't have to sleep with your eyes open anymore.

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« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2007, 09:30:28 am »
Seriously, guys...
Flaming sucks!
Those who flame have no sense of guilt, no brain, and usually, no HONOUR.
Why flame people?
Why be nasty?
People doing things like this are the reasons there's ain't world peace yet!
We have no world peace because people just can't UNDERSTAND.
Can't understand EACH OTHER.
When people see one's opinion, and it differs from their own even slightly, they will home in on that point and start telling the other they're wrong!
If one simply see another's opinion, and carelessly misses the point, doesn't try to understand, they will flame!

PLEASE, people! Don't you realise every single person on this forum... on the internet, is a real person with real feelings, behind a real computer, and, most likely, has a real life APART from this!

Others ALSO have friends, family, school, jobs, etc!


I realise I'm being a total hypocrit here by flaming flamers, but someone has to be able to stand up and tell everyone what's really at stake here.

GAWD, It's been a long time since I had an outburst like this...


Now I kindly request the mods to lock this thread.

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what's so funny 'bout peace, <3 & understanding?
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2007, 09:39:09 am »
that was heartfelt
and i fully agree
which why i won't say
when i saw the title to this thread
i thought it was something entirely different

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« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2007, 10:29:25 am »
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Cause everyone on the net is a badass.


ROFL at what this produced in responses.  Does noone have a sarcasm detector?  Does noone realize that the net is where lots of people go to live out their Jet Li/Arnold schwarzenegger fantasies?  I always thought that people that get owned in real life enjoy seeing and/or owning people on the net.

And no war?  Idealism is nice, useful and gives us something to aspire to, but lack of food tends to throw all of that out of the window.  We can discuss philosophy, methods or even social changes that could bring about a world without war, and it will last as long as there is food.

As an experiment, go 4-5 days without food.  Then go to the local grocer without your cards or cash.  Will you steal some fruit?  Will you snag a couple grapes?  Will you hold out knowing that the experiment is about to end?  

Morality is an extraordinarily beneficial concept for humanity, but it is quite expensive.  The price is built in though, so we typically don't notice it anymore.

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« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2007, 12:14:06 pm »
That's pretty ironic. You just don't get it, do you?
Heck, I've had enough of explaining things to people.


@player1, Thank you for having the ability to understand, and use it at the same time. Thank you very much.

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« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2007, 12:37:17 pm »
...maybe it is you who doesn't understand me.

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« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2007, 03:23:19 pm »
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That's pretty ironic. You just don't get it, do you?
Heck, I've had enough of explaining things to people.


@player1, Thank you for having the ability to understand, and use it at the same time. Thank you very much.


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« Reply #45 on: May 19, 2007, 04:20:48 pm »
Thanks, bringer.

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...maybe it is you who doesn't understand me.
I do understand. But everyone else acting like a fags is NOT a reason to do so yourself. Can you understand that? If we want world peace to be at all vaguely possible each person much start with themselves.
That includes you, and anyone else who reads this, and also everyone who doesn't. DO - YOU - UNDERSTAND?!

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« Reply #46 on: May 19, 2007, 04:31:26 pm »
i can

feel teh heat

flowing through my

bloodstream(like a long and liquid orgasm)



plz stop teh flames

they resurrect

evil

inside of me  

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« Reply #47 on: May 19, 2007, 06:18:26 pm »
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If we want world peace to be at all vaguely possible each person much start with themselves.


Don't get the philosophy engine started. World peace has not, does not and will never exist. It is proposed as a perfect solution to a non-perfect world and as such a useless idea in itself.
As for this board, flaming, as has been stated by timbo, is allowed. The reason? Because some people on this forum do not feel secure enough to battle with wits instead of harmful words, yet their ideas might still be worth it once they've been run through a sieve of knowledge and relative comparison. Instead of trying to make the world perfect try to make it better.
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« Reply #48 on: May 19, 2007, 11:53:04 pm »
I like how you said "Don't get the philosophy engine started" and promptly followed it with a philosophical view that will no doubt spur on others to do so =D and when i say there is 'no doubt', I know that is so since I shall now make some philosophics in response!

Before I start, I'd like to add that I agree with what you say and that my taking of an opposing view is simply in the best interests of a good discussion.

Have you considered that it might very well be that sort of thinking that keeps the world from major breakthrough? That, you might be perpetuating the idea that such a thing is not possible?

Also, people might have interesting things to say, but their harmful words impede the flow of logical and well structured discussion. Maybe some people have been put off posting on these forums after seeing the manner of the average post.

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« Reply #49 on: May 20, 2007, 01:49:57 am »
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Have you considered that it might very well be that sort of thinking that keeps the world from major breakthrough? That, you might be perpetuating the idea that such a thing is not possible?

It is not possible because conflicts will exist as long as we maintain 'freedom'. And even if we were to contain/eradicate 'freedom' there would still be people resisting. T
he human race is not capable of living without discussions with our current population cap. It wouldn't have been able to with a population cap just over 100.000 and even a 1000 popcap would still result in  difference in opinion. Ultimately it is the fact that so many people carry their opinion over to shape other people that is the problem, not the difference in opinion itself.


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Also, people might have interesting things to say, but their harmful words impede the flow of logical and well structured discussion. Maybe some people have been put off posting on these forums after seeing the manner of the average post.

Sorry to say but we cannot cater all in all places. The mapping/modding forums are cleared of such posts and should not stop anyone from posting there while feedback has only a small to moderate amount. I expect anyone on the internet to know there are people pretending to be 'e-tough' while being nothing more than arrogant and anyone who could not handle that could probably not handle himself on tremulous servers either.
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« Reply #50 on: May 20, 2007, 01:54:03 am »
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Thanks, bringer.

Quote from: "PIE"
...maybe it is you who doesn't understand me.
I do understand. But everyone else acting like a fags is NOT a reason to do so yourself. Can you understand that? If we want world peace to be at all vaguely possible each person much start with themselves.
That includes you, and anyone else who reads this, and also everyone who doesn't. DO - YOU - UNDERSTAND?!

Please take the time to fix your self instead of worrying about everyone else first. You can't fix them. Thanks for including me in this particular analysis.. because i need you to tell me this.

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« Reply #51 on: May 20, 2007, 02:31:07 am »
Tremulous FTW!!! lol.
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« Reply #52 on: May 20, 2007, 02:39:54 am »
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It is not possible because conflicts will exist as long as we maintain 'freedom'. And even if we were to contain/eradicate 'freedom' there would still be people resisting. The human race is not capable of living without discussions with our current population cap. It wouldn't have been able to with a population cap just over 100.000 and even a 1000 popcap would still result in  difference in opinion. Ultimately it is the fact that so many people carry their opinion over to shape other people that is the problem, not the difference in opinion itself.


Freedom is ill-defined. Going by my interpretation of 'freedom', I'd say that conflict doesn't have to be part and parcel with freedom. So long as the desire to cause conflict is gone, conflict will never be a freedom exercised.

Opposing opinion doesn't necessitate conflict (by which I mean insults, threats, physical attacks and the like). People can discuss their differing views without need for personal attacks. There might be people willing to impose their beliefs on others at present, but that doesn't mean there will always be.

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Sorry to say but we cannot cater all in all places. The mapping/modding forums are cleared of such posts and should not stop anyone from posting there while feedback has only a small to moderate amount. I expect anyone on the internet to know there are people pretending to be 'e-tough' while being nothing more than arrogant and anyone who could not handle that could probably not handle himself on tremulous servers either.


It's quite true that in certain places on this forum, there is little to no flaming. For these places, the discussion is less likely to involve conflicting views/personalities. Where opposing opinion does exist however, discussions easily boil down to flame-wars. These are the places of concern. Even for those who don't play much tremulous, they might come here for a discussion and find abusive comments which turn them away. If that is acceptable then there's no problem. If there are people who don't like the abusive comments, they might want to openly complain about it.

Glunnators comments in particular seemed to reflect his frustration with some people and their tendency to cause grief and upset. He seems to merely want a more well-mannered forum with kinder conversation. He might speak of world peace exaggeratively to help inspire reflection on misdeeds.

Don't think I believe world peace is anything more than an idealised pipe-dream. My personal view is that conflict is a natural occurance when dealing with large scale populations. That said, it is a pleasant thought which might be fun to fight for.

I also believe that forums can become 'well-mannered' if there are enough people visiting the forum to make such things important.

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« Reply #53 on: May 20, 2007, 09:31:07 am »
've got tears in my eyes.

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« Reply #54 on: May 20, 2007, 11:20:05 am »
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It is not possible because conflicts will exist as long as we maintain 'freedom'. And even if we were to contain/eradicate 'freedom' there would still be people resisting. The human race is not capable of living without discussions with our current population cap. It wouldn't have been able to with a population cap just over 100.000 and even a 1000 popcap would still result in  difference in opinion. Ultimately it is the fact that so many people carry their opinion over to shape other people that is the problem,
not the difference in opinion itself.


Freedom is ill-defined. Going by my interpretation of 'freedom', I'd say that conflict doesn't have to be part and parcel with freedom. So long as the desire to cause conflict is gone, conflict will never be a freedom exercised.


Imagine 2 rotating arrows next to each other. They are free to turn 360 degrees. If they point in roughly the same direction they are in agreement. If they point in roughly opposite directions the matters do not cross and if they point towards each other they are in conflict.
This means that 3/4 of the time there will not be a problem. But the time they are pointing at each other is when there will be a problem. They want to convince the other party they are right and the opponent is wrong.
If they did not care for that it would show apathy, nor does it give progress, apathy is when they are pointing in opposite directions and no outcome is made. Now see my next bolded part

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Opposing opinion doesn't necessitate conflict (by which I mean insults, threats, physical attacks and the like). People can discuss their differing views without need for personal attacks. There might be people willing to impose their beliefs on others at present, but that doesn't mean there will always be.


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Ultimately it is the fact that so many people carry their opinion over to shape other people that is the problem, not the difference in opinion itself.


If they did not want to press their opinion on other people they are no longer thinking, they are merely accepting. There would be no progress.

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Sorry to say but we cannot cater all in all places. The mapping/modding forums are cleared of such posts and should not stop anyone from posting there while feedback has only a small to moderate amount. I expect anyone on the internet to know there are people pretending to be 'e-tough' while being nothing more than arrogant and anyone who could not handle that could probably not handle himself on tremulous servers either.


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It's quite true that in certain places on this forum, there is little to no flaming. For these places, the discussion is less likely to involve conflicting views/personalities. Where opposing opinion does exist however, discussions easily boil down to flame-wars. These are the places of concern. Even for those who don't play much tremulous, they might come here for a discussion and find abusive comments which turn them away. If that is acceptable then there's no problem. If there are people who don't like the abusive comments, they might want to openly complain about it.


We cannot cater for the poor lost soul who went looking for Bob the Builder and found a thread about deconners and the ensuing flamewar.
Should we cater to that group? No, we cater to people for tremulous. Not for people who want a philosophical, sports or any other kind of discussion. If that means accepting some amount of flaming then yes, we will let it through. But as stated by timbo pure flamewars without any relevance to the discussion are to be locked, and are on occasion.
It would be like a christian anti videogame group coming here and demanding that we cease to play, develop and discuss tremulous. But we are not here for them, we are here for the tremulous community and as such we would not give in. Yet we should give in to a group who has less extreme demands (remove all flaming so we can all live in a happy happy world) but no more relevance than the anti videogame group.

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Glunnators comments in particular seemed to reflect his frustration with some people and their tendency to cause grief and upset. He seems to merely want a more well-mannered forum with kinder conversation. He might speak of world peace exaggeratively to help inspire reflection on misdeeds.

He wishes to change the people that post ill mannered material here. But in that way i could ask for all spam to be removed because it upsets threads. But he wouldn't want the fun spam to be removed.
Where would you draw the line? And the fact is it has been drawn, by the responsible administrator timbo, at flames with interweaved useful comments. That's all there is to it.

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Don't think I believe world peace is anything more than an idealised pipe-dream. My personal view is that conflict is a natural occurance when dealing with large scale populations. That said, it is a pleasant thought which might be fun to fight for.

Remember the quote fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity? This is why world 'peace' is unattainable and will be unless a single country overthrows all others, a dictator/tyrant is put in place and the population is kept under control. But that isn't real peace either is it.

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I also believe that forums can become 'well-mannered' if there are enough people visiting the forum to make such things important.

The more people the more conflict. What you wish for is enough members who discuss without resorting to insults, not mere numbers of members. But if that were the case flaming would hardly exist anyway so that point is moot.
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« Reply #55 on: May 20, 2007, 03:58:41 pm »
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Imagine 2 rotating arrows next to each other. They are free to turn 360 degrees. If they point in roughly the same direction they are in agreement. If they point in roughly opposite directions the matters do not cross and if they point towards each other they are in conflict.
This means that 3/4 of the time there will not be a problem. But the time they are pointing at each other is when there will be a problem. They want to convince the other party they are right and the opponent is wrong.
If they did not care for that it would show apathy, nor does it give progress, apathy is when they are pointing in opposite directions and no outcome is made.


In this, the model with which I assume you wish to illustrate your point, you are in my view 'begging the question'. In your model, there will always be a time where the arrows can face each other. This is to sauy there will always be a time where people will impose their beliefs on each other. This is both your premise and your conclusion. Though it might be only natural for this to occur at present, I ask why it should always? In short, I'm proposing a far more dynamic system.

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If they did not want to press their opinion on other people they are no longer thinking, they are merely accepting. There would be no progress.


For one, I don't see why people wouldn't be able to think and not force those thoughts on other at the same time. Secondly, I'm not disputing that through conflict there can be considerable progress. The subject of my argument is whether it is possible, not whether it is best.

If you want to discuss what is best, then yes I agree that conflict is very healthy and beneficial. Even in this discussion there is conflict of opinion. Yet we will carry on discussing because it's interesting to do so. That said, you will notice that we haven't resorted to petty name-calling and such. Don't you think this discussion is so much more meaningful without them?

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We cannot cater for the poor lost soul who went looking for Bob the Builder and found a thread about deconners and the ensuing flamewar.
Should we cater to that group? No, we cater to people for tremulous. Not for people who want a philosophical, sports or any other kind of discussion. If that means accepting some amount of flaming then yes, we will let it through. But as stated by timbo pure flamewars without any relevance to the discussion are to be locked, and are on occasion.
It would be like a christian anti videogame group coming here and demanding that we cease to play, develop and discuss tremulous. But we are not here for them, we are here for the tremulous community and as such we would not give in. Yet we should give in to a group who has less extreme demands (remove all flaming so we can all live in a happy happy world) but no more relevance than the anti videogame group.


So this forum can only be about tremulous? The general discussion and even the off-topic? If so, you'd better tell me now before I breach the rules any further.

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He wishes to change the people that post ill mannered material here. But in that way i could ask for all spam to be removed because it upsets threads. But he wouldn't want the fun spam to be removed.
Where would you draw the line? And the fact is it has been drawn, by the responsible administrator timbo, at flames with interweaved useful comments. That's all there is to it.


In which sense of the word do you mean when you say 'spam'? I don't see repitition or advertising (apart from people advertising their new forums, to which I remain apathetic). So long as you don't define spam as some kinf of post I and others find useful/meaningful/enjoyable then I have no quarrel with you removing them.

Don't think I am arguing for the deletion of flamey-posts. If anything, I would argue against such needless censorship. I'm merely arguing for world peace. Is that so much to ask? ;)

I see why timbo made th rules as such. If you'd kindly look to my original post (the one with my signiture, I mean) You'll see I am willing to highlight this when moderators might forget themselves.

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Remember the quote fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity? This is why world 'peace' is unattainable and will be unless a single country overthrows all others, a dictator/tyrant is put in place and the population is kept under control. But that isn't real peace either is it.


My first point would be, to fight for something wouldn't necessarily mean physical attack. You can fight for your breath. You can fight yourself away from temptation. This is the sense I meant it in. To strive for. To work for. To fight for.

You make the assumption that war cannot bring peace. Fighting for peace isn't fighting for there never having been peace (Now that's a screwed-up-tense sentence if ever I've uttered one xD). The idea is to fight now and have peace later.

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The more people the more conflict. What you wish for is enough members who discuss without resorting to insults, not mere numbers of members. But if that were the case flaming would hardly exist anyway so that point is moot.


Having more members wouldn't be the solution in itself. The idea is that a consequence of that is for stricter moderation to keep the forum users happy. With the greater number comes greater demand from your average user. If this forum had the same number of users as something like slashdot, we would have a greater pool from which to select mods. We might have a cream of well-mannered high standard posters who could make the points better than the rest, who wouldn't resort to flaming.

I can't be sure about this though. This last point was largely speculation. This is afterall a forum focused around a game that isn't to everyones interest and doesn't always offer that much to be said.

Edit: I think the interest I have in this discussion might be partly motivated by my reading of George Orwell's '1984'. It's a fantastic read and I highly recommend it to you if you haven't yet read it.

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« Reply #56 on: May 20, 2007, 05:13:53 pm »
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In this, the model with which I assume you wish to illustrate your point, you are in my view 'begging the question'. In your model, there will always be a time where the arrows can face each other. This is to sauy there will always be a time where people will impose their beliefs on each other. This is both your premise and your conclusion. Though it might be only natural for this to occur at present, I ask why it should always? In short, I'm proposing a far more dynamic system.

Yes, as long as freedom exists there will always be the posibility of conflict. Were you to restrict these metaphorical arrows from rotating towards each other by setting boundaries in the circle you would prevent conflict, but at what cost and what gain?
And please specify your dynamic system. Because saying world peace would mean less discussions is logical, but how are you going to obtain this world peace. Your 'dynamical' system is a name for something which has not been explained.

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For one, I don't see why people wouldn't be able to think and not force those thoughts on other at the same time. Secondly, I'm not disputing that through conflict there can be considerable progress. The subject of my argument is whether it is possible, not whether it is best.

Imagine all members of a nuclear energy producing facility. Now there is a problem, and each one thinks for him/herself in a solution and executes it. But some of these solutions are contradictory in that they work against each other and might even worsen the situation. So we reverse, divert and get to a discussion, and all points of view are explained. Yet now we must choose one, preferably the best. How? Discussion, some will have to be forced to be swayed from their opinion or it would go on ad infinitum. Yet this is what your idea would go to. So it is possible, just as it is possible we are in 'the Matrix'. But it is either highly unlikely or simply unwanted because of practical reasons.

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If you want to discuss what is best, then yes I agree that conflict is very healthy and beneficial. Even in this discussion there is conflict of opinion. Yet we will carry on discussing because it's interesting to do so. That said, you will notice that we haven't resorted to petty name-calling and such. Don't you think this discussion is so much more meaningful without them?

I am not trying to sway you silly bugger from your opinion :). I am trying to make people(asses) like you understand mine. I fully enjoy in people(idiots) disagreeing with me because as I said how would people understand/how else would I get my day full. I could just as easily rewrite my discussion with flames, you bastard.

See what I did there? My point did not really change, nor what I was saying, merely the method. This is the difference between flaming pur sang and mere embers of arrogance.

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So this forum can only be about tremulous? The general discussion and even the off-topic? If so, you'd better tell me now before I breach the rules any further.

No, like in a school there is not only talk of learning and teaching but also gossip, fun, remembrance. But like a school the line is drawn at fights and mere shouting matches because that is not what a school is about, if it were a boxing stadium it might be different. This is how I mean it. This is mainly about tremulous and as such tremulous sets the main line.

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In which sense of the word do you mean when you say 'spam'? I don't see repitition or advertising (apart from people advertising their new forums, to which I remain apathetic). So long as you don't define spam as some kind of post I and others find useful/meaningful/enjoyable then I have no quarrel with you removing them.


Spam as in meaningless, not advertisement.
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1.6 minutes? roflol

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o rly.


I could say the same off the huge ass sigs some members have like i_love_iris_flammea or ShadowNinjaDudeMan because these members usually post 2/3 line replies while having 12 line sigs.

But the fact is this line

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So long as you don't define spam as some kind of post I and others find useful/meaningful/enjoyable then I have no quarrel with you removing them.

So we should listen to you and others, and some others which might contradict you, which would ultimately result in people not being able to post at all or post anything they want.

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Don't think I am arguing for the deletion of flamey-posts. If anything, I would argue against such needless censorship. I'm merely arguing for world peace. Is that so much to ask? ;)

I'm arguing for comprehension of the human nature. Which is far harder than it should be since humans have it ingrained since they live with it every second of their life.

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I see why timbo made the rules as such. If you'd kindly look to my original post (the one with my signiture, I mean) You'll see I am willing to highlight this when moderators might forget themselves.

You need not highlight any of these occasions. We are the forum's moderators. Not the member's. If any moderator would break the set rules he would be relieved of his duties by timbo. This means doing, not saying. That would mean we should ban anyone who posted the words 'kill you', 'rape your ...' etc. But in the heat of discussions, as I have stated a few times already, people are exagarating at exponential levels.
Like I stated in the other thread against Kobrakaine my summary of this issue is the following:
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As long as noone is (ab)using their mod powers they are not necessarily acting as a moderator, merely as members of this community.


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My first point would be, to fight for something wouldn't necessarily mean physical attack. You can fight for your breath. You can fight yourself away from temptation. This is the sense I meant it in. To strive for. To work for. To fight for.
You make the assumption that war cannot bring peace. Fighting for peace isn't fighting for there never having been peace (Now that's a screwed-up-tense sentence if ever I've uttered one xD). The idea is to fight now and have peace later.

No, the idea to fighting is having your idea/being conquer all the others, but there will always be people disagreeing with you who in turn will fight you again. People disagree on the weirdest issues. Monogamists vs polygamists, maximum speed limit, age of consent. It's all silly buggers.
There is no peace, only at best calm and usually tension between wars.

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Having more members wouldn't be the solution in itself. The idea is that a consequence of that is for stricter moderation to keep the forum users happy. With the greater number comes greater demand from your average user. If this forum had the same number of users as something like slashdot, we would have a greater pool from which to select mods. We might have a cream of well-mannered high standard posters who could make the points better than the rest, who wouldn't resort to flaming.
It is all about the quality of the mods as you stated. But this does not mean a bigger pool of users will supply better moderators. Nor will it most likely result in more good moderators. Why? Because the increase in number of 'mod quality' users will pale in comparison to that of members whose posts need moderation and the acting moderators will be forced to a far harsher policy then the one we are currently employing to maintain standards.
Also I would like to detach well-mannered from high standard. Lava again as example of a high standard member, but he isn't someone to dance around the issue as well-mannered people would do. In the same way there are generally well-mannered people posting utter bollocks and deceiving people, it might be in jest but still.
The following example is a member with quite a few posts stating something which might have turned the new member away from tremulous.
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I can't be sure about this though. This last point was largely speculation. This is afterall a forum focused around a game that isn't to everyones interest and doesn't always offer that much to be said.

See above.
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« Reply #57 on: May 20, 2007, 05:52:32 pm »
Survivor, Nux

What's with the 20 pages' worth of debate?  Somebody hurry up and lose!

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« Reply #58 on: May 20, 2007, 05:54:37 pm »
Seriously, I really can't be bothered to read an entire pages worth of 100 line philosiphical arguments.
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« Reply #59 on: May 20, 2007, 07:31:28 pm »
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Seriously, I really can't be bothered to read an entire pages worth of 100 line philosiphical arguments.


which is why flaming is so much more fun

but seriously @ the anti-flamers, plz realize that sometimes ppl don't have all day to read informed, well-thought-out, extensive posts
so "STFU & GTFO" sum up their position nicely and they can move on to the next thread
people read these forums with differing levels of involvement
and sometimes a quick
"you so stupid"
is what wraps up their thoughts most cogently