How to scrim

[_Equilibrium_]

so you can say both clans are pretty even then. that would seem pretty accurate.

[Evlesoa]

... dude, seriously... no1 is gonna spend 6 games just to win...

Its a big waste of time, when you could easily play 3 and call it a win...

Its BEST 2 out of 3, not BEST 2 CONSECUTIVE wins out of Infinity

[David]

If you tie that much, then call it a draw.

Your either very closely matched, or a bunch of stupid campers.

[_Equilibrium_]

... dude, seriously... no1 is gonna spend 6 games just to win...

Its a big waste of time, when you could easily play 3 and call it a win...

Its BEST 2 out of 3, not BEST 2 CONSECUTIVE wins out of Infinity

...dude, seriously... i don't think the clan that lost will be happy KNOWING that if they had been aliens twice instead of once they would have won.

...seriously...dude...dude...seriouslyaloebpoBfhu aowehfo...........ssikfug..s.dg....ase..b.ry.w.wg .w..z.dht...

[Dracone]

We get draws all the time because we never get the tiebreaker in...Then again, I would say that a REAL win would be winning 2 out of 2 rounds in a regular 3 round scrim. You're just switching teams and it doesn't make as big a difference as it could.

Amine's settings are good, but yeah, everything like FF and stuff should be agreed upon before starting.

It's really hard to get a balanced scrimmage that is time-friendly with because of the differences between aliens and humans. Yes, aliens and humans are, in my opinion, balanced quite well in terms of potential to win. But different clans means different performance as a team with each side. If one clan had horrid alien work but great human work and the other clan had the same comparison, the outcome, depending on how equal other influential variables are, such as individuals' abilities, could be quite obvious.

I think a real simple way for these scrims to go down is keep having 2 round scrims. Eventually, one clan will most likely improve enough that they CAN win the deciding round, and then it will be a win. You've gotta take either draws or what can often be very unrealiable wins.

[Evlesoa]

... dude, seriously... no1 is gonna spend 6 games just to win...

Its a big waste of time, when you could easily play 3 and call it a win...

Its BEST 2 out of 3, not BEST 2 CONSECUTIVE wins out of Infinity

...dude, seriously... i don't think the clan that lost will be happy KNOWING that if they had been aliens twice instead of once they would have won.

...seriously...dude...dude...seriouslyaloebpoBfhu aowehfo...........ssikfug..s.dg....ase..b.ry.w.wg .w..z.dht...

Ok umm i used 4 of "..." you used 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9... should I keep going? I dont make THAT many, cmon now!

[AppleJuice]

Oh, and Apple, this conversation is in no way linked to Iabz nooby infinite stamina idea, so don't try to link them. It's a pitiful excuse to get the upper hand in an argument. It's like using "Yeah? Well.. he stole candy when he was a kid!" as a defence in a court case against molestation. Two completely different topics. Go get an education in debating before your next post.
Kthxbai.

It's as simple as having some COMMON-fucking-SENSE and NOT BEING A total n00b.

Actually, you called him a noob.  An education in debating? Don't make me laugh.  You obviously have none - otherwise, you would understand that destroying your opponent's credibility is a viable tactic.  Lawyers do it frequently. Basically, you've been calling everyone you don't know a noob when you have nothing else to say.  Sorry for prolonging the flame, but I hate to leave insults unanswered.

I think a real simple way for these scrims to go down is keep having 2 round scrims. Eventually, one clan will most likely improve enough that they CAN win the deciding round, and then it will be a win. You've gotta take either draws or what can often be very unrealiable wins.

Exactly. Who cares about wins?  If clans are evenly matched, accept a draw.  Why do you want a win so badly, Evlesoa?

[Plague Bringer]

You are aware how much infinite stamina would unbalance the game, right? Try it.

[BodyOrgan]

I'm in total agreement with Am|ne on the issue of having to achieve two wins in a row for the match to be called in your favor.

I'm iffy about a 45 minute timelimit as I think it will actually result in more ties, however it is something that could be tried.

I'm of the opinion that 102 bp should be used.

[Mantra]

Another exemple of the obsessional hatred only otherwise found in marriages gone sour.

Sorry, I just had to post this.

I've always played best 2 outta 3, and personally, its what as always been the best.

[player1]

@OP & community-at-large:
plz also post ur
*recommended* (no/some/infinite pun/irony/sarcasm intended/implied/understood)

a) number of players per team?
b) order of play (visitors are humans or aliens in first game)?
c) maps, first map, rotation, point at which rotation is restarted?
d) chat rules (spectators allowed/unmuted/muted/limited by edict)?

e) is there a setting to allow free-spec only?
f) does allowing playerspec increase that player's lag or not?
g) are demos requested/stored/viewed?

I always take that endgame screenshot that shows who won, and what my crappy score was. It allows me to remember who to thank that we won that time. Although I don't have a server and I don't scrim, I'm still interested. 'Cuz who knows, some day I might.

[Bullislander05]

Its still a half assed tie system...

No one is going to play for fking 8 hours because its a constant tie...

Its stupid. No.

Evlesoa, I found it quite fun when we scrimmed .zub 5 matches a few days ago.  I'm all for this new system, because it prevents clans that are guests in servers from picking aliens first, and winning their 2 out of 3 and winning the match.

As long as I'm leader of -GH-, (Which will only be a week or so until Marijuana gets back) I will see that we use this system in scrims as much as possible.  It's much more fair than the previous best 2 out of 3.  Of course, it may take a while, but that's why you can say "Ok, we're X-Y and you guys get [Insert team here] next round, but we have to continue this later.  It's So-and-So's advantage."

As for now, my posts represent the opinion of -GH-, only.  Anyone else on -GH- is posting opinions based on what they personally feel.  I don't want a bad rep to come to the clan because a few people mouthed off.

-Bull

[Plague Bringer]

This type of match is endurance, not strength, and endurance is something that clans need. They need constant teamwork to pull off a win with aliens and then humans, or vice versa. They get the chance to find the enemy's weakness and exploit it more than once, they have to actually use tactics to make two consecutive wins.

[KamikOzzy]

By endurance, you mean "more free time than the other team has." Playing a video game doesn't take endurance, it takes time. If people start slipping because they aren't in the game after 5 rounds, then its because the game is no longer any fun, and that defeats the whole purpose.

No way I'm playing more than three rounds.

[player1]

By endurance, you mean "more free time than the other team has." Playing a video game doesn't take endurance, it takes time. If people start slipping because they aren't in the game after 5 rounds, then its because the game is no longer any fun, and that defeats the whole purpose.

No way I'm playing more than three rounds.

If there was a Home/Away system, where Visitors always got Aliens first (to make up for home server advantage), the current best-of-three would suffice, because every clan would have a great Away record and a crappy Home record (and your road average would show how good you are at Aliens and your homefield average would show if you suck at Human or not). It sucks to lose on your own server, but it would be consistent. For any match to be declared valid, you have to play two matches against that clan, one Home and one Away (three times as Aliens and three as Humans). If you can win Home as well as Away, you are better than them. If you both win on the road, you're equally good at Aliens (and equally sucky at Humans). If you both win at home, you're equally good at playing on your own server.

Match 1: 3 games, ClanY server (map stays same)
Visitor (ClanX) Aliens - Home (ClanY) Humans
Visitor (ClanX) Humans - Home (ClanY) Aliens
Visitor (ClanX) Aliens - Home (ClanY) Humans

Match2: 3 games, ClanX server (same map)
Y=A; X=H
Y=H; X=A
Y=A; X=H

Record of two matches played on two servers is used to decide which clan is better; one match on one server insufficient. If they don't have a server, they have to be the Home team on your server, and start as Humans, for the second match (they don't get any real admin status, though).

What map, rotation (if any), how many players per team?

[BeerBastard]

This has not come up much for us.  We usually win the first 2 rounds. Although it is really hard to beat aliens with 3 people. Mostly because someone must camp to keep aliens from owning your base. Goon owns 2 naked humans easy.

[Plague Bringer]

-not so Ninja Edit-
 

[Plague Bringer]

@Player1 -

After every three rounds, there would be a recess untill the next day, or week. By endurance, I meant that the team would have to survive and win for two matches in a row. I'll quote myself here:

They need constant teamwork to pull off a win with aliens and then humans, or vice versa. They get the chance to find the enemy's weakness and exploit it more than once, they have to actually use tactics to make two consecutive wins.

I really don't think I can explain it any more then that. Earlier I made it seem as though I expected the match to go on constantly untill one team won twice, I didn't make it clear that there would be a recess after every 3 or so matches, continuing untill the next day, when the matches would continue from where they left off.

[player1]

@Bringer: Please delete one of the above posts. (How about the first one, rendered entirely redundant by it's inclusion in the second?) Also, please explicate, this sounds like a coattails reply. "Yeah, me too." Huh? Your comment to Ozzy sounds a little 20/20 hindsight. "Oh, what I meant was..."

@Ozzy: what do you think of a Home/Visitor system, where guests either always get Aliens first, or get to choose faction first, or get to choose the map, in which case home gets to choose which side to play as?

@Community-at-large: Team size?  Map(s)? Rotation? Settings? Thx in advance for your non-flamey answers.

[Raytray]

Maps: Something with balance?

Usually atcs, tremor, or nano for me.

Player sizes: As many as each team can bring up but more than 2-3.

Oh unlag on is a needed, default BP settings I suppose. etc.etc.

[Fluxflashor]

... dude, seriously... no1 is gonna spend 6 games just to win...

Its a big waste of time, when you could easily play 3 and call it a win...

Its BEST 2 out of 3, not BEST 2 CONSECUTIVE wins out of Infinity

You have time Evlesoa, all you do is run around and click mouse 1 to activate your bot. Not like your working hard or anything.

Now I've done a few scrims like this, one was 4 matches before a winner and another was 3. I do kind of like the idea because it prooves a clan must be good at both sides it makes a win seem much more like a win and not just a "we PWN at humans so lets go h first round" sortof deal. It doesnt matter whos a or h, but that you need to win both your a and h match in order for the win to count. It could get pretty long though. I say an improvised way to this to shorten it up would be first clan to win 2 games [in any order] 1 being humans and 1 being aliens wins the scrim.

Edit: Fuck what was I thinking there not point I can explain with a little table:

Match1 [T1=A][T2=H]   T1 Wins
Match2 [T2=A][T1=H]   T2 Wins    
Match3 [T1=A][T2=H]   T1 Wins
Match2 [T2=A][T1=H]   T1 Wins


See there is no way that you can get 1 win of both without letting your opponent have 2 wins in a row. Damn, I thought I was onto something

[player1]

Flux you wrote 1-2-3-2...

I still think the best plan is best-of-3 on our server, best-of-3 on your server, visitors start as Aliens, home team picks settings. We have to play your clan twice to say who is truly better, or if we are both equally good (or bad). Simple.

[amine]

Flux you wrote 1-2-3-2...

I still think the best plan is best-of-3 on our server, best-of-3 on your server, visitors start as Aliens, home team picks settings. We have to play your clan twice to say who is truly better, or if we are both equally good (or bad). Simple.

So, what happens if the clan doesn't have a server? I think you're missing the point of why do 'win 2 in a row'. It's like having a drag race with another vehicle: just cause you can hit 60km/h first doesn't mean you win the race, switching gears gives you that extra push to win the race, just like you need that extra push to win twice in a row. There is just that much more thrill to it. Also, it doesn't go on to 'infinite', you can call it a draw if it doesn't end after 4 or 5 rounds.

[n00b pl0x]

i dont know how to make a signature

n00b pl0x

[player1]

If there was a Home/Away system, where Visitors always got Aliens first (to make up for home server advantage), the current best-of-three would suffice, because every clan would have a great Away record and a crappy Home record (and your road average would show how good you are at Aliens and your homefield average would show if you suck at Human or not). It sucks to lose on your own server, but it would be consistent. For any match to be declared valid, you have to play two matches against that clan, one Home and one Away (three times as Aliens and three as Humans). If you can win Home as well as Away, you are better than them. If you both win on the road, you're equally good at Aliens (and equally sucky at Humans). If you both win at home, you're equally good at playing on your own server.

Record of two matches played on two servers is used to decide which clan is better; one match on one server insufficient. If they don't have a server, they have to be the Home team on your server, and start as Humans, for the second match (they don't get any real admin status, though).

km/h? Am|ne, where in the metric world are you?

@Anthony: