How to scrim

[amine]

Before scrimming (*recommendation*):

a) Unlagged on/off (make sure both teams agree to the setting, g_unlagged 1) (recommended on)
b) Private messages off (g_privatemessages 0) (default 1)
c) No public chatting from spectators (g_minLevelToSpecMM1 5) (default 0)
d) Knockback changed to 1000 (g_knockback 1000) (default 1000)
e) All teams locked (!lock a/!lock h)
f) Human and Alien build points to the default 102 (g_alienBuildPoints 102, g_humanBuildPoints 102)
g) Sudden death time to 35 (g_suddendeathtime 35)
h) Sudden death mode to 2 (g_suddendeathmode 2)
i) Timelimit to 50 (timelimit 50)
j) Friendly fire on (g_friendlyfire 1)
k) Buildable friendly fire on (g_friendlybuildablefire 1) (recommended on)

Once you have got the basic settings in, make sure everyone agrees then !putteam everybody according to their choice of team.

So, how to win the scrim?
The game starts at 0-0 score. Whenever a team wins, switch sides, and start over. First team to win twice in a row wins the scrim. This will allow a fair chance for both teams. Best out of 3 does not work because one clan will have disadvantage on one team over the other.

What happens if we draw?
If you draw, the match does not count. Simply continue as if that match never happened. If team A had 1 win before, then they have 1 win after. DO NOT SWITCH SIDES!

Example of games
Scrim #1
Match 1 - Team A wins
Match 2 - Team A wins

Team A wins Scrim #1 because they won twice in a row.

Scrim #2
Match 1 - Team A wins
Match 2 - Team B wins
Match 3 - Team A wins
Match 4 - Team B wins
Match 5 - Team B wins

Team B wins Scrim #2 because they won twice in a row.

Scrim #3
Match 1 - Team B wins
Match 2 - Team A wins
Match 3 - Team B wins
Match 4 - Team A wins
Match 5 - Draw
Match 6 - Team A wins

Team A wins Scrim #3 because they won twice in a row (draw does not count as anything!)

Conclusion
I hope everybody starts using these rules, because best out of 3 simply is NOT the way to do it. As for the settings, they are recommended, and make sure both teams agree to them!

Have fun!

Edits
Build points changed to 100 from 110.
Stated *recommendation* on top for those who like to complain to get 15 minutes of fame (or should I say 'of flame')
Added some default values
Changed knockback to 1000 from 0 (reason I put it at 0 is before.. basilisk used to have knockback. I was informed otherwise.
Build points changed to 102 from 100.
Sudden death time changed to 35 from 40.

[_Equilibrium_]

why 110 BP?

and i usually see SD at 30.

[AppleJuice]

Though this was not the system commonly used before, it should be.  The previous system of 'best out of 3' is foolish.  Almost every clan is better as aliens, as most scrims are 3v3, and 3v3 = an easy time for goons.  Therefore, unless there is a big difference in skill levels, aliens will usually win, resulting in the clan starting as aliens receiving the win (they are able to play as aliens twice).  Thus, whoever wins scrims depends on order, which is not what it should be.  Wins should depend on skill.

This system is good; it gives a FAIR chance to both clans.  Who cares if it results in a lot more draws for the general clanning public - it's just a record, after all.  The only problem is time constraints.  Perhaps, in the event of a draw, both clans agree to postpone the scrim to a later date, in the hope that one clan will be able to win twice in a row.

[Rabbitt]

I like these guidelines an|me.
I'm going to have to get them implemented into {S/W} Scrim settings.

[Death On Ice]

Very Nice. I'm thinking of adding these into our !clanmatch settings.

[kevlarman]

a) Unlagged on/off (make sure both teams agree to the setting, g_unlagged 1)

i'm with you so far...

b) Private messages off (g_privatemessages 0)

a little over kill but whatever

c) No public chatting from spectators (g_minLevelToSpecMM1 5)

this is a non-standard patch, you can't expect people to have it

d) Knockback changed to 0 (g_knockback 0)

...what the fuck?!? knockback is in the game for a reason, you should not be disabling it.

e) All teams locked (!lock a/!lock h)

finally you're starting to be sane again...

f) Human and Alien build points to 110 (g_alienBuildPoints 110, g_humanBuildPoints 110)

...never mind. bp should be at 100 unless agreed upon otherwise by both sides.

g) Sudden death time to 40 (g_suddendeathtime 40)
h) Sudden death mode to 2 (g_suddendeathmode 2)

the latter is a non-standard patch, and this is something that both sides should agree to

i) Timelimit to 50 (timelimit 50)

reasonable for your sd time

j) Friendly fire on (g_friendlyfire 1)
k) Buildable friendly fire on (g_friendlybuildablefire 1)

reasonable, but once again ff should be agreed on before the match.

[AppleJuice]

kevlarman, how often do you scrim?

[Mantra]

That would be a never, but he's quite right.
Also, if you're going to have more rounds, then you should problably lower the time per round so as not to make CWs lasting 3 hours+
30 min sd and 45 min timelimit.
Longer time in sd usually does favor aliens(Naab camping humans) but its not neccessarily true.
Bps should be at 100, 110 is useless. Maybe in the case of bigger CWs you might decide to make it 102, allowing more spawns without loss of bps, then its up to you.
If knockback is on the server, leave it, otherwise you remove lucy jump.

Personally, ff should always be on, it removes the lucy/chaingun spam on teamamtes to try and help them and makes it so rampaging tyrants/running goons have to pay attention where they jump.

I despise unlag, you should ask the other team if they want it on or not.

[BeerBastard]

When opp scrims


a) Unlagged on

Dont care about pms being on or off, most clans use teamspeak. Anyone is welcome in OPPs public teamspeak during a scrim as long as they dont talk. I kick anyone who talks about the game who isnt playing.

Locking teams favors whoever gets put-teamed first. They will get evos/credtis faster than the other team.  I tell everyone its a clan scrim and if they join I will kick them.  Have force team balance on. This way its fair to both teams.  Than lock teams. I also like lakitus qvm which has restart keepteams. That way at 2mins everyone is getting there camp evo/credit.

f) Human and Alien build points to 100g
g) Sudden death time to 30 (g_suddendeathtime 40)
h) Sudden death mode to 2 (g_suddendeathmode 2)
i) Timelimit to 50 (timelimit 50)
j) Friendly fire on (g_friendlyfire 1)
k) Buildable friendly fire off (Does it really hurt a wall when you shoot it?)

I for one thing take a demo of every scrim i play, I wish we could get everyone to do this.

[janev]

Conclusion
I hope everybody starts using these rules, because best out of 3 simply is NOT the way to do it.

LOL who are you to decide what settings should be used in a scrim? All settings should be agreed upon by those (or the representatives of those) who are playing the match/scrim. Regardless of whether your settings are good or not it's not up to you  

[AppleJuice]

What's with all the dicks on this forum?

Conclusion
I hope everybody starts using these rules, because best out of 3 simply is NOT the way to do it.

LOL who are you to decide what settings should be used in a scrim? All settings should be agreed upon by those (or the representatives of those) who are playing the match/scrim. Regardless of whether your settings are good or not it's not up to you  

He was simply stating his constructive opinion.  He didn't make any decisions.  After all, forums are for discussing things, which is why he posted it - for clan leaders to see.

How often do you scrim, janev?

[David]

What matters is that both teams know all the settings and have agreed on them.
As to what the setting are, let them decide.

[AppleJuice]

What matters is that both teams know all the settings and have agreed on them.
As to what the setting are, let them decide.

Yes...that's what this thread is for..

Does anyone have a real objection to the 'win twice in a row' *proposed* rule?

[Plague Bringer]

It's not that, it's all his setting. He's not a god, nor should he act like one. He's not one to decide settings. Honestly, I don't care if he hopes people use these, he's acting like an asshole, and so are you, by trying to force this on us.

@Kevlar- what's wrong with no PM's? It prevents ghosting.

[AppleJuice]

It's not that, it's all his setting. He's not a god, nor should he act like one. He's not one to decide settings. Honestly, I don't care if he hopes people use these, he's acting like an asshole, and so are you, by trying to force this on us.

@Kevlar- what's wrong with no PM's? It prevents ghosting.

Actually, you seem more like an asshole than anyone else.  Why do idiots like you keep coming into threads and flaming people, without posting anything constructive?  You'll probably flame me in response, now; if you don't, I apologize for assuming so.

Am|ne was simply posting what he believed to be good scrim settings.  If you don't like them, post some constructive criticism, which at least kevlarman did.  Enough of this shit with your assumptions of people.  You don't know him, so don't assume he's arrogant and thinks he's a god.

This topic is meant to DISCUSS the current settings/rules of scrims.  Please keep flames out of it.  And PLEASE don't bring Evlesoa into this. (No evlesoa don't respond lol)

[Plague Bringer]

Your post was the first time I saw Evlesoa mentioned here. >_>

Scrim setting should be decided by the clans. These are great setting for something like a tourney, where every match follows the same rules. The only thing I think should be applied is the two in a row win. Perhaps three matches maximum per day would be reccomended.

[amine]

It's not that, it's all his setting. He's not a god, nor should he act like one. He's not one to decide settings. Honestly, I don't care if he hopes people use these, he's acting like an asshole, and so are you, by trying to force this on us.

I'm not even going to bother explaining myself to you. I could go on for pages showing how you have not a single ounce of intelligence, but meh. Let's just leave it at that. If you want to state your opinion, then state your opinion and stop flaming on a forum.

Conclusion
I hope everybody starts using these rules, because best out of 3 simply is NOT the way to do it.

LOL who are you to decide what settings should be used in a scrim? All settings should be agreed upon by those (or the representatives of those) who are playing the match/scrim. Regardless of whether your settings are good or not it's not up to you

(also to David): As for you, I meant the 'How to win the scrim' area, and not MY settings, which is why I said 'because best out of 3 simply is NOT the way to do it.' I can see how you got confused. Also, keep in mind that not everyone knows what a scrim is. This article is aimed for everyone.

Most of you state 100BP for both team, which is the default. I stated 110, which is a number I pulled out of my ass really. I've always played with 110, and everyone seems happy with it. I will edit and make it 100BP. I will also edit saying that the settings are RECOMMENDED. I started this thread by explain the 'how to win' section, then added the rules as an extra (and to show everyone what variables to edit if you want to change a rule).

[Plague Bringer]

That's the thing. Who reccomended them? You? Wow. You're fairly unknown, and, no offense, but I don't think anyone care's about your reccomendation. Have these setting been tested, or did you pull all of them out of your ass? Anyone else reccomending them?

[amine]

That's the thing. Who reccomended them? You? Wow. You're fairly unknown, and, no offense, but I don't think anyone care's about your reccomendation. Have these setting been tested, or did you pull all of them out of your ass? Anyone else reccomending them?

I clearly stated that I scrim at least once a day. And I own a server, so yes, they have been tested. You really need to stop flaming. I don't give a rats ass if you use my settings or not, they are RECOMMENDED. Perhaps you simply need a dictionary. As for 'no one caring', speak for yourself. You're pathetic, really.

[AppleJuice]

That's the thing. Who reccomended them? You? Wow. You're fairly unknown, and, no offense, but I don't think anyone care's about your reccomendation. Have these setting been tested, or did you pull all of them out of your ass? Anyone else reccomending them?

Plague Bringer, stfu, before you make yourself look stupid.  First you call Iabz a noob, and now this.  From what I've seen in-game, you suck, and amine would rape you.  I care about his recommendation, and I scrim almost EVERY day, and have been for the past month or so.  Who the fuck are you?  Do you have a clan?  Do you scrim everyday?  Does anyone care about YOUR recommendation?  Oh, sorry, correction: does anyone care about your pointless, nonconstructive, annoying, spammy flaming?

[David]

A few of you say you scrim every day....
From the little I have seen of the clan scene around here, I would have to assume I'm missing something.
Where is all this happening?

[AppleJuice]

A few of you say you scrim every day....
From the little I have seen of the clan scene around here, I would have to assume I'm missing something.
Where is all this happening?

Not on any of the servers you frequent, obviously. NT server, Zubs server, other clan servers, all at varying times.  I didn't know you could be on every server at once.

Please don't try to tell me I don't scrim almost every day.  I think I would know, and so would many others.

How often do you scrim?

[Plague Bringer]

That was my half assed attempt at a constructive post, if you're going to be retarted, then be my guest.

Apple, you haven't seen me in game. Ever.
(Okay, so I don't know that for sure, but I certainly haven't seen you recently.)

Who cares how often he scrims? If these are for your scrims, so be it, who cares? If they're reccomendations, then don't make them seem like we have to follow them.

And no, I won't stfu to avoid making myself look stupid. I've got a point to be heard, along with a few other people, and it's damned well going to be heard, and acnowldged.

Maybe I'm just pissy because there was an hour long assembly at school before we could get out report cards, I dunno.





Re reading the first post I saw a ninja edit.

Conclusion
I hope everybody starts using these rules, because best out of 3 simply is NOT the way to do it. As for the settings, they are recommended, and make sure both teams agree to them!

The way you made it sound originally was that the setting were carved in stone, now I see that by "rules" you were only referring to the two in a row = win. I'm sorry for my ignorance. Perhaps you could make your ideas more clear the first time, next time. >_>

Oh, and Apple, this conversation is in no way linked to Iabz nooby infinite stamina idea, so don't try to link them. It's a pitiful excuse to get the upper hand in an argument. It's like using "Yeah? Well.. he stole candy when he was a kid!" as a defence in a court case against molestation. Two completely different topics. Go get an education in debating before your next post.

Kthxbai.

[amine]

That was my half assed attempt at a constructive post, if you're going to be retarted, then do so.

Yes Apple, stop being "retarted".

Sorry, had too

[Raytray]

I pretty much agree with these "hope to be standards" as well as I demo every scrim. I also screenshot each endgame score. As for TL/SD time, I disagree with it as well. 30/45

[David]

Please don't try to tell me I don't scrim almost every day.  I think I would know, and so would many others.

I never said that...

Also, I meant where as in forums IRC etc.

Random in game encounters don't carry much weight for me, as neither side has good/best players on, no planning and probably little in the way of TS.

[Evlesoa]

Its still a half assed tie system...

No one is going to play for fking 8 hours because its a constant tie...

Its stupid. No.

[amine]

Please don't try to tell me I don't scrim almost every day.  I think I would know, and so would many others.

I never said that...

Also, I meant where as in forums IRC etc.

Random in game encounters don't carry much weight for me, as neither side has good/best players on, no planning and probably little in the way of TS.

Yes, in game encounters. You can also use http://clans.tremulous.net/ to see what clans are online now, and go to their server and ask them if they want to scrim.

[_Equilibrium_]

Its still a half assed tie system...

No one is going to play for fking 8 hours because its a constant tie...

Its stupid. No.

no one said you have to keep playing until someone wins 2 in a row. you can just try another day.

[Evlesoa]

and it goes on for ever... once you start ties, you cant stop them... another day you tie up, and another... goes on for months!