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« Reply #120 on: July 30, 2007, 03:13:49 pm »
Quote from: "tehOen"
whitelist is the only solution
if you think you can detect aimbot, client OS, or anything that the client have on his/her computer ... you are stupid. sorry

I am detecting lots of trem clients!

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« Reply #121 on: July 30, 2007, 05:47:55 pm »
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For those of you who probably haven't played on our server (The Potato Patch), you're not aware that we have a "bot' that sits and watches the console and does a number of commands.  Wonko, who coded this bot, says it'd be relatively simple to add this query (and other functionality of a master ban list) to the bot.    If it helped, we could work to help distribute a copy of the bot designed to interact with the master ban list.

What does it DO?


At a very high level,  he basically tallies a score for all players.  To enable us to do a variety of things; prevent players from below a certain score from joining, kicking players who feed and don't meet a certain score.  

He can also be trained to answer keywords with specific phrases (ie: someone types ',ask share' in chat and gets the 'We earn our own Evos/Credits on the Potato Patch' response)

There's some other informational things he does; tracks kills and deaths per map, tracks how many credits/evos you earn and give up, tells you who has killed you the most, etc...

I hate to de-rail the topic,  you can read more about him here
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« Reply #122 on: July 30, 2007, 07:11:27 pm »
Hey, haven't been around for a while, it makes me sad to see what is happening to trem now.

My two cents on this, is that it really isn't worth trying to fight against aimbotters in an open source game. It becomes an arms race, if you fix one thing in code soon a slightly better aimbot is released.

To the guy who thought it a good idea to try and force someone to release source code, if you did that, next thing you know there will be several variants released, all improved versions based on that source.

OK, so you create a "final solution" in the human operated IP blacklist, all you have done now is spent a few weeks of work to get maybe one week of "peace" because now you've encouraged the same asshole to add a few lines of code to his aimbot that makes it utterly undetectable to a human spectator. This is a far worse situation to be in than a few idiots hopping their modified client around from server to server and getting banned if they're caught.

As the old saying goes; the only way to win is not to play.

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« Reply #123 on: July 30, 2007, 08:49:11 pm »
Umm... the point is, they are trying to make an open source, into a "closed" which is an illusion that will never happen. Aimbotters will be here, the source is out, VD_Scrawni, yes i know him from Anarchy Network, where me and him, well i was mainly a tester, hacked Soldat. The community still exists, and VD knows VB, and some C++, im sure he learned more from the last time i saw him. And im sure its not hard to find memoffsets and shit like that. All you do is change them after all. Any script kiddy can do it. So w/e ur doing, you're wasting your time...

All these white lists and shit are going to chase players away, even the legit ones. Simply because you're trying to implement something that should not in any way be part of trem. Trem is free, trem is free to use that is. It is free to mod, code for, and change. What you are doing, is destroying trem by getting new players to download ur shitty coded, untested junk. Dont... It kinda explains where this is going just by the renaming system of Unnamed Players. They are new, give them a break. Go on, destroy trem. I'd like to see this happen, the forums are already full of useless shit and junk. Mods are doing their job, but not fully. Kevlar man decided to close my topic for what reason? I didnt violate any rules, i decided to post some of my opinions. Its a sad world we are coming to, and I hope trem burns with the forums. No offense, but im not doing anything to make it worse. Its people like YOU, the moronic, "solutants" or w/e u wanna call yourself, that think you can fix an aimbot problem. Well buddy, bottom line is: YOU CANT... keep trying, maybe in your dreams bud.

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« Reply #124 on: July 30, 2007, 09:18:52 pm »
A black list wont cause problem for legit players unless the people who run it screw up.  Which is why it needs a group of trusted people.

And OMG! he knows BASIC!  I'm trembling is fear at his mighty power.
And your first paragraph once again proves you know nothing about programming.
The second just proves your a moron.
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« Reply #125 on: July 30, 2007, 09:21:37 pm »
Quote from: "David"
A black list wont cause problem for legit players unless the people who run it screw up.  Which is why it needs a group of trusted people.

And OMG! he knows BASIC!  I'm trembling is fear at his mighty power.
And your first paragraph once again proves you know nothing about programming.
The second just proves your a moron.


And this proves how you're such a narrow minded dick you are... ITs called an opinion douche bag... and i am entitled to my opinion. Fuck off, once again david... You're the idiot who doesnt know what I think, now stfu, and stop going so critical on me. ITS MY OPINION get that? stupid fuck

Edit - Also from my experience, when I had a name as Unnamed, when i first started, I kept the name, just with a color change... But sadly i had to change it because the fucking system renames my colored name... fucking gay

Edit2 - If you notice, i say "closed" because im hypothetically speaking, you cant add a punk buster or what not to an open source. Basically, an illusion like its closed. And no shit, i dont know coding. Where did I say anything about coding... you're such a disgrace, to mods. You're just an idiot. An idiot who silences people, who wants THEM to comply to YOU, like you own this place. How about no, i stand up for what i think is right, you go ahead go to your little FUCKING CORNER AND DIE... OK DAVID GO DIE!

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« Reply #126 on: July 30, 2007, 09:29:14 pm »
Quote from: "Evlesoa"

And this proves how you're such a narrow minded dick you are... ITs called an opinion douche bag... and i am entitled to my opinion. Fuck off, once again david... You're the idiot who doesnt know what I think, now stfu, and stop going so critical on me. ITS MY OPINION get that? stupid fuck

Edit - Also from my experience, when I had a name as Unnamed, when i first started, I kept the name, just with a color change... But sadly i had to change it because the fucking system renames my colored name... fucking gay

Edit2 - If you notice, i say "closed" because im hypothetically speaking, you cant add a punk buster or what not to an open source. Basically, an illusion like its closed. And no shit, i dont know coding. Where did I say anything about coding... you're such a disgrace, to mods. You're just an idiot. An idiot who silences people, who wants THEM to comply to YOU, like you own this place. How about no, i stand up for what i think is right, you go ahead go to your little FUCKING CORNER AND DIE... OK DAVID GO DIE!


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« Reply #127 on: July 30, 2007, 09:32:59 pm »
Quote from: "Neckhole"
Quote from: "Evlesoa"

And this proves how you're such a narrow minded dick you are... ITs called an opinion douche bag... and i am entitled to my opinion. Fuck off, once again david... You're the idiot who doesnt know what I think, now stfu, and stop going so critical on me. ITS MY OPINION get that? stupid fuck

Edit - Also from my experience, when I had a name as Unnamed, when i first started, I kept the name, just with a color change... But sadly i had to change it because the fucking system renames my colored name... fucking gay

Edit2 - If you notice, i say "closed" because im hypothetically speaking, you cant add a punk buster or what not to an open source. Basically, an illusion like its closed. And no shit, i dont know coding. Where did I say anything about coding... you're such a disgrace, to mods. You're just an idiot. An idiot who silences people, who wants THEM to comply to YOU, like you own this place. How about no, i stand up for what i think is right, you go ahead go to your little FUCKING CORNER AND DIE... OK DAVID GO DIE!


Summary: wah my pussy hurts.


Summary: you're a spamming crackhole faggot, go get a hobby to do. Im just tired of mods running this place, its annoying. This whole place is REEKING OF DAVID AND KEVLAR MAN, and people like, YOU who are fucking retards, who have nothing better to do than SPAM SPAM SPAM... Holy fuck, GROW UP!! How LONG does it take you?? Havent hit puberty? This whole community simply sucks... corrupted mods, corrupted people. Perfect... Tremulous: Taking spamming and flaming beyond the forums. Thats another perfect motto

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« Reply #128 on: July 30, 2007, 09:33:52 pm »
Ok, will you cut all the free speech crap.  Learn what the fuck you are on about or stop insulting the millions of people who have died to defend undeserved freedom of speech.  You have the right to think and say what you want.  You do NOT have the right to say it here, and you sure have no right to cause hassle and grief to other people.
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« Reply #129 on: July 30, 2007, 09:35:10 pm »
Quote from: "Evlesoa"
Umm... the point is, they are trying to make an open source, into a "closed" which is an illusion that will never happen. Aimbotters will be here, the source is out, VD_Scrawni, yes i know him from Anarchy Network, where me and him, well i was mainly a tester, hacked Soldat. The community still exists, and VD knows VB, and some C++, im sure he learned more from the last time i saw him. And im sure its not hard to find memoffsets and shit like that. All you do is change them after all. Any script kiddy can do it. So w/e ur doing, you're wasting your time...

All these white lists and shit are going to chase players away, even the legit ones. Simply because you're trying to implement something that should not in any way be part of trem. Trem is free, trem is free to use that is. It is free to mod, code for, and change. What you are doing, is destroying trem by getting new players to download ur shitty coded, untested junk. Dont... It kinda explains where this is going just by the renaming system of Unnamed Players. They are new, give them a break. Go on, destroy trem. I'd like to see this happen, the forums are already full of useless shit and junk. Mods are doing their job, but not fully. Kevlar man decided to close my topic for what reason? I didnt violate any rules, i decided to post some of my opinions. Its a sad world we are coming to, and I hope trem burns with the forums. No offense, but im not doing anything to make it worse. Its people like YOU, the moronic, "solutants" or w/e u wanna call yourself, that think you can fix an aimbot problem. Well buddy, bottom line is: YOU CANT... keep trying, maybe in your dreams bud.


You're just upset because chances are high you'll end up on that list at some point.  :P
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« Reply #130 on: July 30, 2007, 09:36:34 pm »
Quote from: "David"
Ok, will you cut all the free speech crap.  Learn what the fuck you are on about or stop insulting the millions of people who have died to defend undeserved freedom of speech.  You have the right to think and say what you want.  You do NOT have the right to say it here, and you sure have no right to cause hassle and grief to other people.


You dont have a right to lock my posts for no reason... You do NOT have a right to abuse your mod power... you dont lock the topics that have flaming in them, only tuple sometime does it, and not even half way thru, he skips half of the topics. You dont have a right to command me, dont command me, go tell your mother to bring you a bib and a pacifier. Little baby has no excuse... no matter how much of a tard you are... This isnt free speech, this is this community fucking up, because you're not doing your job...

Oh and beer: No it wont happen, im done with trem 1.1, it sucks. Period. Just because of people like YOURSELF. and One more thing, when i move, my IP will change. So whatever you do, you wont know who i am.

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« Reply #131 on: July 30, 2007, 09:40:41 pm »
You really forget the part about people paying for message board and game servers that are their property, which they allow you to use if you abide by their rules, however trivial those may be. You have the freedom to leave if you do not like the way that it is run. You seem to have forgotten the right to private property in your ranting about freedom of speech.

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« Reply #132 on: July 30, 2007, 09:48:32 pm »
Quote from: "Evlesoa"

Summary: you're a spamming crackhole faggot, go get a hobby to do. Im just tired of mods running this place, its annoying. This whole place is REEKING OF DAVID AND KEVLAR MAN, and people like, YOU who are fucking retards, who have nothing better to do than SPAM SPAM SPAM... Holy fuck, GROW UP!! How LONG does it take you?? Havent hit puberty? This whole community simply sucks... corrupted mods, corrupted people. Perfect... Tremulous: Taking spamming and flaming beyond the forums. Thats another perfect motto


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« Reply #133 on: July 30, 2007, 09:51:04 pm »
2 menny internet tuffguys in dis here thred

Hope this helps.

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« Reply #134 on: July 30, 2007, 09:55:50 pm »
Quote from: "Evlesoa"
You dont have a right to lock my posts for no reason... You do NOT have a right to abuse your mod power... you dont lock the topics that have flaming in them, only tuple sometime does it, and not even half way thru, he skips half of the topics. You dont have a right to command me, dont command me, go tell your mother to bring you a bib and a pacifier. Little baby has no excuse... no matter how much of a tard you are... This isnt free speech, this is this community fucking up, because you're not doing your job...

Oh and beer: No it wont happen, im done with trem 1.1, it sucks. Period. Just because of people like YOURSELF. and One more thing, when i move, my IP will change. So whatever you do, you wont know who i am.


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  • Noone has yet abused his mod powers
  • He can't. Tuple isn't the only one. Flaming is semi-allowed and as such not all will be locked.
  • I have a right to say you are acting like an asshole when you actually are acting like an asshole.
  • Evle, you're acting like an asshole.
  • Then leave and save us the trouble that comes with people being annoyed to your presence. Or shape up and try to be mildly likeable.
I’m busy. I’ll ignore you later.

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« Reply #135 on: July 30, 2007, 10:21:32 pm »
Not talking about DAVID... talking about kevlar >.< i hate that dude, he is such a nuisance!!!

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« Reply #136 on: July 30, 2007, 10:33:22 pm »
Quote from: "Evlesoa"
Not talking about DAVID... talking about kevlar >.< i hate that dude, he is such a nuisance!!!


Unlike you who on various occasions was a pest. And referring directly with you to someone who hasn't even posted on this page of the topic is stupid.
If you can only complain about trem and give absolutely no worthwhile suggestions to fix any problems in your view you are only messing up the board.
You have started insulting people a lot again the past few days and are giving trouble. Shape up and beat people by reason and logic.
If you must get a new account and don't mention it's linked to you and start over without all the prejudice against you as to evade what is happening to plague bringer atm.
I’m busy. I’ll ignore you later.

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« Reply #137 on: July 30, 2007, 10:40:04 pm »
Fix? Look at my sig... you have a fix for it? i dont... get rid of the w/e is the cause. And it doesnt matter, even plague said kev can be a huge fag when he closes topics that should be open for discussion. Also how was a nuisance to you? What kind of a pest, what that I post random shit? oh well, everyone likes to do that once in a while... Soo?? this is the internet...

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« Reply #138 on: July 30, 2007, 10:54:16 pm »
Quote from: "Evlesoa"
Soo?? this is the internet...


Quality argument right there.

Bye.  Going to miss this place.
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« Reply #139 on: July 30, 2007, 10:59:21 pm »
This is a tremulous forum. Random shit belongs in off-topic, which is in fact the only non-tremulous related designated subforum on here, but has in recent times spilled over to almost all forums and polluted discussion to the point of it being inconsequential.

Now I'll start on those point of yours

1. Before aimbots, tremulous was fun
--- Iirc you were one of the first to use it.
2. Before the devs abandoned trem, there was a hope of 1.2
--- It hasn't been abandoned. And since you're not paying they have no obligation to finish it fast. They're not obligated to anyone but themselves.
3. Before all the new players, trem was fun...
--- To me you are one of the new players, this is one of the weakest arguments.
4. Before all the arguments, trem was fun... again
--- People are argumentative, it's a shame so many of them are so bad at it.
5. Before all the conspiracy against each other, trem was even more fun
--- Hardly any conspiracy exists against people of integrity. But putting yourself open by even putting one step wrong ('testing' an aimbot so 'I can identify it') and you've lost any respect.
6. Before flux became a control freak, and before hack paranoia took over him, trem was fun
---So Flux's server is the only one in trem?  
7. Before the forums were filled with spam, trem was fun, more
--- You said you posted random shit on occasion. A lot of people posting random shit means a lot of occasions which results in it being all the time. This at least is something people do not have to add to outside of off-topic. Yet they do. They brought in unto themselves.
8. Before the community went corrupt, with all the spam, server problems, and bullshit like this with flaming, trem was "actually" fun
--- You're stating things which by definition are not fun. I do not see you mentioning the causes of them. Which are people not following the set rules or not accepting that what they dish out they get in return.
9. Before the massive expansion of wannabe clans, trem was much fun
--- Clans have in my eyes always been a joke. But they do not need to affect you if you don't want to. Just don't get involved with them.
10. After the devs started promising stuff that never is going to happen, trem was boring, and still is
--- How do you know it's not going to happen. Because if you knew you could do something about it. See response to point 2
11. No one can take attention of "me" and false hacking.
--- You brought it onto yourself
Quote from: "Evlesoa"
Well when Null created the hack, and i tested it, it does NOT seem to work on a relic modded server.

http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=76112&highlight=tested+null#76112
12. The community isnt mature enough to understand hacking, and cheating. Cheating is obviously legal in every aspect, yet others are anti-cheating freaks, so they go blame me for years of stuff, that i never really did, who cares if sum1 used my name to post something about cheats for trem? Who cares?
--- Cheating is illegal in every aspect of server rules which forbid it. If there is a server which allows it then good for them. But practically all cheating happens on servers which have rules against them, and it spoils the fun of players trying to get better by practicing. And if anyone argues its for their relaxation they should realize they are spoiling the relaxation of a lot of other players.
13. No one believes anyone anymore, and no one cares...
--- What a bogus point. My refute of this one is unnecesary since I made this quote, and thus care, but I check my stuff most of the time. And all of the time when coming from a doubtful source. It is an empirical way which firmly sets your opinion on a solid base instead of a wisp of air.
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« Reply #140 on: July 31, 2007, 01:28:53 am »
Short list:

Evlesoa
Belier13
NoComputer
3
Dev\\Null (Or whatever his name is)
Evlesoas Brother

Just a short list I came up with in a minute.

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« Reply #141 on: July 31, 2007, 05:07:54 am »
Quote from: "Evlesoa"
Umm... the point is, they are trying to make an open source, into a "closed" which is an illusion that will never happen.

All these white lists and shit are going to chase players away, even the legit ones.

A white list will chase no one away, just like how GUIDS chase no one away.  

There can be a lot done against aimbotters.  The problem is that aimbotters want to paint as bleek of a future as possible to avoid having to work harder(if people get the initiative and skill to code around them).  

I think an arms race would be good, in terms of programming.  Anyone who can hack, would.  But its not that easy.  There is a breaking point or at least interest point in terms of what hackers are willing code.  Frankly, the developers have reached their breaking point but a reversal would be interesting.  

This generation of gaming is pretty insecure, just like the internet.  But is a matter of time before people make software do what they intend.

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« Reply #142 on: July 31, 2007, 09:59:06 pm »
Excuse me a moment while I state the obvious:

Evlesoa, you don't like us. Or at least, you don't like many of us. In fact, you virulently hate a great deal of us.
We, and I know I speak for a considerable portion of the community, probably the majority (we can run a poll if you like but I don't think that's necessary) don't like you. Sad but true.
Neither we nor you have anything to gain by your continued presence, unless I miss my mark.
So why do you keep coming back?

Think about that question, seriously. An important sign of maturity is the ability to reflect on your own actions and their consequences from an objective viewpoint. I will be genuinely surprised if you can point out even one good reason why you talk to an audience that is not listening.

edit: I hear on the grapevine Ev is banned. If this in the case, ignore the above, giving a crap has officially ended.

On topic: I am yet to be convinced that aimbots are a problem in tremulous. I have not yet seen one in game.
To combat griefing, in my opinion, what Tremulous really needs is a reliable client identification system, the only such system being asymmetric key encryption technology. When I have finished one or two other things, I will work on including some libraries into Tremulous to add public key authentication. Every client randomly generates a public/private keypair, and tells every server their public key. The server encrypts a random digit string with this key and sends it to connecting clients. If they can decrypt it, they must have the corresponding private key, which barring direct theft from the filesystem of the client involved will only be available to that client.
There exist quite a number of totally free implementations of this technology out there, all one needs to do is connect the business end to Tremulous (which is by no means a simple task but should not be beyond reach of an amateur programmer such as myself).
I'm pretty sure this is not the first time it has been suggested and may not even be the first time an implementation has been attempted. If a patch has already been written I would be grateful if someone could point me at it :P
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« Reply #143 on: August 01, 2007, 03:47:31 am »
I agree with Evlesoa, despite the flaming.

Quote from: "benmachine"
On topic: I am yet to be convinced that aimbots are a problem in tremulous. I have not yet seen one in game.
To combat griefing, in my opinion, what Tremulous really needs is a reliable client identification system, the only such system being asymmetric key encryption technology. When I have finished one or two other things, I will work on including some libraries into Tremulous to add public key authentication. Every client randomly generates a public/private keypair, and tells every server their public key. The server encrypts a random digit string with this key and sends it to connecting clients. If they can decrypt it, they must have the corresponding private key, which barring direct theft from the filesystem of the client involved will only be available to that client.
There exist quite a number of totally free implementations of this technology out there, all one needs to do is connect the business end to Tremulous (which is by no means a simple task but should not be beyond reach of an amateur programmer such as myself).
I'm pretty sure this is not the first time it has been suggested and may not even be the first time an implementation has been attempted. If a patch has already been written I would be grateful if someone could point me at it :P


This kind of security will definitely not scare anyone off, it may be implemented with no drawbacks to the community, whatsoever. The question is, what good it will do?

Basically it "allows" correct identification of clients. Imposters are cought. So others can't steal your name, and you will not be sued for others' actions. No more ID hacking.

What does it do against aimbotters? Nothing! The keys just tell you that you are a well known somebody, who didn't aimbot(yet). Everytime you're banned, you create a new key and you're done. Back to the IP banning...

If public keys are recorded and queried from the give server or the master server, and player names are permanent (like a username), it may start a name war, such as someone registering loads of names. It's easy too, autobots...


To combat aimbotters:
- get cash and recruit large team who is going to do all this
- buy and close the Q3 and Tremulous source code
- buy PunkBuster from Evenbalance, implement it
- buy some DRM stuff from Microsoft, implement it
- establish a trusted corporate ID server
- registrating is 4.99$, requires real name and ID, and is limited to once-per-lifetime
- write a very proprietary licence that has deep consequences to aimbotters
-  :D

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« Reply #144 on: August 01, 2007, 04:24:55 pm »
What about adding a little check for if someone's aim is following/leading their target by a seemingly strict amount?  I seriously doubt that even the BEST player ever could manage to keep an exact amount of lead/follow time.  If this noticed anything unusual, it could report it to a relatively high level admin, so they could spec the person.

I know it has been said that anything the client sends is suspect, but if people could be banned by processor serial number, it would circumvent the problems from subnet bans.  If the check were in the cgame, a pure server's ban would only be avoidable by hacks similar to null's aimbot, as I see it.

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« Reply #145 on: August 01, 2007, 11:34:54 pm »
Quote from: "doomagent13"
What about adding a little check for if someone's aim is following/leading their target by a seemingly strict amount?  I seriously doubt that even the BEST player ever could manage to keep an exact amount of lead/follow time.  If this noticed anything unusual, it could report it to a relatively high level admin, so they could spec the person.

I like that approach more so than others suggested.

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« Reply #146 on: August 02, 2007, 04:11:47 pm »
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The only solution I can think off is for the server to collect statistical information about each player, how they move, how they shoot, what is their killquota, how many shots do they miss. For example the instant aim (noncontinuous moves) can be detected (since the aimbot sets the aim on the alien, and doesn't move it there), how well does a shooter track an object etc etc. Only if after a certain observed time it shows that these values are somewhat off of normal (what ever normal mean needs to be defined) automatically a demo is recorded by the server or players with a certain lvl on the server are send a message that there is a suspicious player on to deal with the matter. From an automated kick/ban system i would discourage, a human would have to examine the data before any action is taken. And then what?

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« Reply #147 on: August 02, 2007, 08:43:52 pm »
The server could run an aimbot for every person (Like it does for turrets) and see how much that deviates from their actual client input.
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« Reply #148 on: August 03, 2007, 02:16:55 am »
If ping isn't 0, deviation is high for entities that do not move with Newtonian physics. The shots are scattered around, so much that it misses a considerable amount. That's highly not aimbot-like, so it can be any player. As for lasgun VS dretches, it's 1 kill per second. Luck or aimbot.

The purpose of the aimbot is to improve your aim, not make it beyond human capabilities.

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« Reply #149 on: August 05, 2007, 02:05:51 am »
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If ping isn't 0, deviation is high for entities that do not move with Newtonian physics. The shots are scattered around, so much that it misses a considerable amount. That's highly not aimbot-like, so it can be any player. As for lasgun VS dretches, it's 1 kill per second. Luck or aimbot.

The purpose of the aimbot is to improve your aim, not make it beyond human capabilities.
NO.

The aimbot does NOT just help your aim -- it literally FORCES you to aim at the exact center of the current target (I dont remeber/know how it chooses that target) +/- the prediction amount, which should only matter with:
1) Non-hitscan weapons, mainly prifle
2) Lagged servers, of which there are few due to how long ago Unlagged was added to svn

If you really need proof that aimbots do all the aiming, I could provide it, but I'd rather not, and I WONT explain it.