Open The Sky Project(Images!)

[UniqPhoeniX]

Don't devs take Tremx seriously?  WHY? There are many many many nice ideas.

[snb]

making any progresss?

[CrAzY]

making any progresss?

I think he gave up? :'[

[laspace]

Just wait till the post about progress, no need to comment.

[benmachine]

Redsky got and left, if I understand correctly.
It's just possible another skilled modeller would be able to finish what he started.
I'm still happy to code for it.

[Risujin]

Redsky got and left, if I understand correctly.
It's just possible another skilled modeller would be able to finish what he started.
I'm still happy to code for it.

It's what happened with me and chompers.

[Redsky]

Redsky got and left, if I understand correctly.

well im having a hard time lately - thats why Im not writing anything on the forum...
But dont worry my friends - I will be back as soon as I take care of my problems
and hopefully pass exam(thats realy soon)
And than we can finish what has been started

Dont loose hope and i may be back with some more good news
@benmachine: so your still in it, good to hear that... i was afraid that you will leave.
hmmm, i guess the model is quiet ready... but im not sure if i gave you the latest one i have done.
Well i could not send it right now anyway: my PC is on holidays    (dont ask why)
thing that should be done with the model is flipping the normals inwards but i just cant seem to do it right

but we will think about it later
for now i have to say 'Bye!'  and i hope not for long
Take care fellas!
-RS

[player1]

Don't devs take Tremx seriously?  WHY? There are many many many nice ideas.

Please conduct a more thorough search (hint: the modmaker was someone who liked to be a thorn in the side of the devs).

[benmachine]

well im having a hard time lately - thats why Im not writing anything on the forum...

Aww *hugs*

Take your time. I'm in no rush to do lots of work

[==Troy==]

I will be also glad to help. Not only with physics this time but with actual coding

[googles]

I would also like to give my services if needed, if you have anything needed done feel free to throw them my way. That is, if i can do it.

[illwieckz]

I'm not friendly with english and it's so difficult to read all the thread, so I hope this was not already said in the previous 10 pages.

Can we imagine that a flying alien can fly only if it falls first? Like a bat ?

[Redsky]

I'm not friendly with english

Same for me

Can we imagine that a flying alien can fly only if it falls first? Like a bat ?

I wasnt thinking about it... but yes, planes made from paper do move forward whan they are falling. Not sure if that will be implemented too.
Thanks googles, i appreciate that you are willing to help

Its final countdown: Im will be back in around 20 days ready to kick some flying-aliens' asses
I just cant wait to get my hands dirty once again! Cheers!

[googles]

Well im ready to kick some flying-alien ass(code wise that is :-D), but i would like to suggest we move up to a more..current QVM, nothing is wrong with risujins balance mod but its lacking..features and also lacking the bug fixes, that is why i think moving the whole project to Lakitu's QVM

[doomagent13]

You could remove the backport patch from balance mod's patch, then update svn revisions, then patch balance back on.  You would still need to do a lot of manual editing, but would likely be better than using a 1.1.0-esque style qvm as a base.

[benmachine]

I have no real interest in Balance as a codebase for this project. My intention had been to work from svn head, applying some essential patches if necessary.
But, whatever.

[Redsky]

Im here!
Im think i should polish up animation and texture...
about model, well im not sure how to fix problems with wrong normals... i think that shader
with "cull none" could make it look right, but with impact on rendering speed. Im trying to make both vandal pk3 from benmachine work and balance pk3 (with vandal) from Risujin.
But they dont work, if any, ANY change was done in pk3 thay simply stop running(that is "vandal"(by Ben) mod changes back to "balance" whan i try to run it, server on tremded(By Risu) on the other hand switches off)
I feel confused and not sure what to do. I cannot fix normals and texture without beeing sure how it will look in game.
Im going to search for any info to solve this problem, but still i doubt i will find answer too soon... if you can help me, that would surely boost up works speed.

Good to be back!
Edit: it looks as if there was a problem with compression and decompression to zip files, im not sure why but pk3 files that once worked opened and recompressed back to zip stop working(yes i have check the name and extension -pk3)

[googles]

If you guys are interested, i would like to add the flying aliens to my portal mod :\

[benmachine]

Redsky: Is the pure check causing you problems? If you are running a server with the pk3 on it, the server will checksum the pk3 and compare it to the checksum on the client, rejecting the client if they don't match. You can restart the server (or perhaps just change maps) to make it re-check the pk3s, or you can disable the check with sv_pure 0. It's not advisable to do this on a serious game server though as without the pure check it is incredibly easy to cheat.
If you both disable pure check and enable cheats, it may be possible to simply place the model in base/models/players/vandal/ or wherever it was and the client will attempt to use that. I haven't tried this out a great deal, so Results May Vary.
If you're getting a specific error message or problem please post it, we're very good at that sort of thing.

[Redsky]

yep i had some viruses - but it wasnt the reason. I just shouldn put the files into one folder before zipping... ehehe

But, it doesnt matter much: here is something of great importance... I just fixed model and here it is 

http://files.filefront.com/vandal+newzip/;10433365;/fileinfo.html
dont worry about textures - I'm working on it.

Benmachine, model i think should be a little bit smaller than maras.
PM me if u need any help with anything
Ill just repeat question: is it possible to create 2 modes of walking similar to evolving?
what do i mean: pressing "c" => changing hitbox to other size, changing controls a bit(no walking in fly-mode), taking other animation(eg. jump), changing physics.

I fully realize that this is problematic, but result will be breathtaking for sure. Just tell me which way you will pick - maybe i will have to make new animations. Cheers!

[benmachine]

Possible, perhaps, but probably a pain. Switching controls and physics isn't too hard, but changing bboxes requires some nasty messing and is vulnerable to bugs (see http://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3596 for an example of the problems that changing the bbox of battlesuits causes). It's far from impossible but if we could avoid it I'd prefer that.

I'll won't have a look at your stuff until Wednesday afternoon at the earliest I'm afraid, exams in the way. See you then?

[Redsky]

Yey!! today is the day! Waitin for benmachine and spamming my own topic with some useless post like:

Yey!! today is the day! Waitin for benmachine and spamming my own topic with some useless post like...

Edit: http://files.filefront.com/summary+v3txt/;10491100;/fileinfo.html <=revised summery with all animations
(Ben i would make animation.cfg file but im not sure what do you want to use (which animations) and how you would like to call animations...

[benmachine]

It's improved, but it looks like some of the surfaces are still inside out - see http://elarned.co.uk/trem/vandal/screenshots/shot0006.jpg
I also mirrored your downloads, by the way:
http://elarned.co.uk/trem/vandal/files/

I'm going to try a new method of backporting, and if it succeeds I'll have a pk3 up for you later today. It won't be quite the detailed system you laid out but just me toying with velocities and things.

[Redsky]

  Hmmmm, i dont get it... I have no problem with it. Everything works just fine... i would post my screenshots but they are not there (in base\screanshots\  )
Are you using the newest version of model?

http://files.filefront.com/vandal+newzip/;10433365;/fileinfo.html

Edit: my screenshot made with "PrintScreen" key
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3044/2550532257_c00bbcce41_o.jpg
Im using testing mod you shared me, and apparently it cannot save images(?) nevertheless its working!(checked with zip file i posted here)
Great... i have to go. See you tommorrow!

[Samurai.mac]

Not sure about the yellow colour, it doesn't seem to follow the style of the other aliens which aren't overly saturated with colour.

[mooseberry]

MAKE IT PURPLE. or brown. or both. or something.

[Redsky]

MAKE IT PURPLE. or brown. or both. or something.

it is brown and a little purple... and yet still yellow. I will make textures a little bit darker in the furure.
you know what? whan its finished you could paint it yourselves

[benmachine]

You were right about the model. I started from scratch and now it works.

Mostly just to show I'm not completely lazy, I made a pk3 for you:
http://elarned.co.uk/trem/vandal/files
I haven't copied over any of the sounds yet (I'm still mostly lazy) but you can see the model at least, and my estimates for a good bounding box size. I also did a proof-of-concept thing to demonstrate switching physics when the user presses tertiary fire (and forgot to remove a debug print to the console for it, nevermind). You actually do this by switching classes to a one which uses the same model, bounding box etc. but different jump height, air acceleration and so forth. It's a simple test to determine which mode you're in (which you can do from the client, UI, and server) but at the moment it has the drawback of making two copies of the model file, which is a bit silly. I'll see if I can find a way of making them both use the same model, but different configs.

[Pwn-Tastic-Bob!]

make it wall walk and let it snipe like adv. goons then well be tallking

who needs wallwalk when you can fly?

[Jalaco]

Hey if color changes are needed on the model I could give it a shot.

\\^// Jalaco \\^//