@tuple: had you read previous posts ? ...
I believe I made the first suggestion that tremfusion get their own forums. Based on the statements of members of the tremfusion dev team that they are forking, aim to steal tremulous players (in affect, attempting to damage one free community for the furtherance of your own), intend to break compatibility when tremfusion has a sufficient player base ( as mentioned previously, by "stealing" tremulous players), etc, it does not seem unreasonable that I am bothered by the apparent attempt to damage one community solely to benefit your own. Personally, I have no real problem with forks if they are reasonable. But for gods sake, if you intend to stand on your own two feet, then do that. Attempting to benefit a community by actively damaging another is pretty low, and I've read too many statements that indicate to me that even if tremfusion now intends to maintain compatibility, I don't think I could accept that statement on its face considering there was once and may still be a stated intent to maintain community ties in order to further your own community at the express expense of another... People will do as they wish and go where they wish, including speaking their mind about your actions.
About "stealing" players... yes, of course, we stole
your players, players are simply cattle, and we are able to control as we wish.
And, of course, we start this debate only to steal your precious players.
As I said upper, we
will not break binary and network compatibility, take this as an official announcement from tremfusion dev team.
Oh, and yes, I damage a community only for my benfit, yes, of course. I work 8 hours per day on a game developpement, only for my benefit, and only to steal your players and ruin tremulous and it's community. And I'm a terrorist too.
For a very long time ago we try to talk with your team. Amanieu had postulate in MG team for a long time ago, if I'm right you never accepted him (I'm not sure about this story, I can't remember very well).
I tried to take contact with you before tremfusion creation here
http://www.mercenariesguild.net/forum/index.php?topic=909.0Answer was very clear, kevlarman made a good summary :
NOAnd now we continue to try to talk, I open private message with all your guy to try to speak, debate, and explain my opinion to you.
And you continue to spit on me and on tremfusion team.
You don't think it's... too much ?
Now, quote-war time....
Now I see one member state you are forking, while another says you are not. And then an argument on semantics. I can't say its not, but I certainly can't say I'm not suspicious of the motives of a group who acts in such a manner. Perhaps if an honest and cohesive answer about the direction of tremfusion could be given it would have some meaning. Unfortunately, there has been so much damage done in terms of trust that I doubt anything but long term action will rebuild that bridge.
You really don't read posts.... Look upper, I explain all about "forking or not forking"... You want a simply reply "we fork" or "we don't fork" ? You will havn't. Instead, you have a full explanation about what we are and what we plane to do. As I said, "fork" is only a word.
My thoughts about sv_pure are that members of the tremfusion team do not appear to remember the various pk3's that have been added to base by ignorant and/or uncaring admins that are then downloaded by everyone who connects, and loaded every time they connect to non-pure servers. People who have a large number of maps/base mods have a hell of a time tracking down which pk3 is causing these issues on non pure servers, particularly when there are multiple base/mod directories and the mod/map causing issues may have the same name as an existing one. super size tyrants? Various sound mods? A server running a mod out of the base directory? On a non-pure server it would be a no-brainer for a malicious/ignorant admin to create pk3's with a name that puts it in the front of the path list and is filled with bogus and/or messed up models/textures/etc that just happen to be named after all of the textures in ATCS, or whichever. sv_pure helps to maintain a consistent environment for all players within a server and across servers. Can it be broken? Sure, but you will have noone to blame but yourself when all sorts of crazy shit starts happening to your tremulous experience and the experience of those who visit your server, and any subsequent non pure server. If you are a coder and/or knowledgable about these things, it can be relatively simple to locate these problems. If you don't know how to find your qkey, you will have a hell of a time. Personally, I would prefer if people didn't have their tremulous installs ruined by visiting a server.
Not to mention that by bypassing pure, a client is actively cheating, or, going against the rules of the server operator.
Anyone remember mappers releasing different versions of a map, but with the same named pk3 file? unpure servers had a hell of a time with this, pure servers mostly didn't notice. On unpure servers, you would actually start playing on a map that differed from the map the server used. Quite confusing to say the least. How much of a problem this would appear to be would depend on how many and what kind of changes were made to the pk3.
Is it simply a FUD or you really hadn't read previous posts ? So read first amanieu post and look what we did instead of sv_pure....
And Bissig, get a grip. There are members of MG who have been involved in some way in tremulous for more than 2 years now. We've been actively attempted to benefit the tremulous community for quite some time, it was part of our charter and continues to be an important aspect of the group.
And I do stuff for 2 years ago too... I created the french community website, qvm used on most part of french and italian servers, some patch used in every good servers. You think you are only one doing stuff ? This boad isn't the only one tremulous forum...
Oh, then, yes, Tremfusion will create its own forum, we work on it. And tremulous players, developpers and MG will be welcomed to talk, and to make criticize against tremfusion, if it's real debates and not only flaming like what you're currently doing. We don't try to kick away people simply because we don't agree with them, or because, so called, "it's not same game"
