Wanted: (Media)Wiki Guru and opinions.

[mooseberry]

A small thing I noticed, is that logging in redirects you to the main page, even if you were previously viewing some other page. It's not a major thing, but it is a small annoyance if I am looking at a page, want to edit it, so I login and get redirected, and have to navigate my way back to the page. Like I said, this isn't a huge problem, but it shouldn't be hard to fix.

[God, maker of the world]

[I reply here because the Wiki told me to do so. "If you see any problems or something that should be added/changed mention it [here]."]

The whole Wiki should be downloadable. I just read the text over at tremwiki.com saying "Note: Tremwiki now requires registration to edit pages, as a large number of spambots seem to be taking over. Sorry if we lost a few revisions in the cleanup."

I now spent about 10 hours of editing the tremulous.net Wiki, and in case something bad happens, I want to at least have the data so that I could repair the pages.

Otherwise, I'd rather stop investing time into this.

[David]

You can download specific lists of pages here: http://tremulous.net/wiki/Special:Export.
I don't think there's an easy way to get a full dump.

[God, maker of the world]

You can download specific lists of pages here: http://tremulous.net/wiki/Special:Export.
I don't think there's an easy way to get a full dump.

Thanks for the reply. I toyed with the function a bit, and the simplest way I found was to copy the names of the maybe 30 categories into the textbox and click "add" every time. If there were a simpler way to get a simple one-column list of all page names (or page names of pages that one person edited), this would be an ok way. But currently, it's too much of a hassle.

[khalsa]

The whole Wiki should be downloadable.

I'm down. Tell me what to do settings/plugin wise to make this possible and I'll do it in a semi-reasonable amount of time.

[David]

Dump the following in cron once a day:

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/bin/nice -n 19 /usr/bin/php-cli ~/public_html/w/maintenance/dumpBackup.php --full | gzip > ~/public_html/w/latest_backup.xml.gz
Or something.

[your face]

The wiki mapping section is now a complete mess: http://tremulous.net/w/index.php?title=Mapping#mapping_crash_course

[UniqPhoeniX]

Gmotw has reached mastery in wall of texting

[your face]

First person, opinionated, wiki articles.  God save us all...


Oh snap..

[Aelita]

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/bin/nice -n 19

Finally, somebody nice enough to not tell you to rape the shit out of a server. I deal with moron clients of mine who have nightly backups scheduled (for lots and lots of small files) that tend to rape the shit out of disk I/O. They refuse to nice their backup processes.

[CreatureofHell]

The wiki mapping section is now a complete mess: http://tremulous.net/w/index.php?title=Mapping#mapping_crash_course

Ew, uncapitalized titles! Nasty!

[God, maker of the world]

OMG, your face and friends, you are so unbelievably low. Can't you stop your mobbing campaign already? Can't you see that you are clearly acting against the will of the community? But it doesn't matter to you school kids, for you have found that it is fun to bully me.

- It is a Wiki. If you don't like what's written there, optimize it or STFU.

- The Wiki didn't have a mapping tutorial, now it has one. Mea fucking culpa. What have *you* contributed so far?

- The mapping section is a mess now, huh? Because there's an additional article in it, and you find something wrong about it? Why do I bother. Your words are just mind vomit. The purpose is to throw dirt, not to speak truth.

- Someone who doesn't wear the hate-glasses will realize that the mapping crash course indeed gets you going quite quickly while preventing starter mistakes.

Do you guys really believe that what you're doing is right? I don't think so.

Uncapitalized titles? Guys. I can send you a photo of my hair cut. I mean, if you're really out of material.

[Aelita]

Shut up.

[Plague Bringer]

OMG, your face and friends, you are so unbelievably low. Can't you stop your mobbing campaign already? Can't you see that you are clearly acting against the will of the community? But it doesn't matter to you school kids, for you have found that it is fun to bully me.

- It is a Wiki. If you don't like what's written there, optimize it or STFU.

- The Wiki didn't have a mapping tutorial, now it has one. Mea fucking culpa. What have *you* contributed so far?

- The mapping section is a mess now, huh? Because there's an additional article in it, and you find something wrong about it? Why do I bother. Your words are just mind vomit. The purpose is to throw dirt, not to speak truth.

- Someone who doesn't wear the hate-glasses will realize that the mapping crash course indeed gets you going quite quickly while preventing starter mistakes.

Do you guys really believe that what you're doing is right? I don't think so.

Uncapitalized titles? Guys. I can send you a photo of my hair cut. I mean, if you're really out of material.

They're trollin', ignore 'em or you're MrFish.

[your face]

OMG, your face and friends, you are so unbelievably low.

Hmm, it sure seems like anyone who disagrees with you is either one of my minions I have under a spell or one of my school-kid friends.

They're trollin', ignore 'em or you're MrFish.

"trollin'" = stating my opinion on a crap mapping tutorial?

[UniqPhoeniX]

A "crash course" of 20k words... a crash course in wall of texting maybe, but not mapping...

[God, maker of the world]

They're trollin', ignore 'em or you're MrFish.

Well. Since you don't remotely believe that I might maybe really be God, the following explanation is lost (again), but it explains why I give it at all: To shift the world from insanity to sanity (Yes. The world (mankind) is insane. Not me.), it helps me to interact with people. And these forum flies, they are unimportant. It doesn't matter if they get smitten as a result of their actions, but they still help me to complete my work.

Hmm, it sure seems like anyone who disagrees with you is either one of my minions I have under a spell or one of my school-kid friends.

They're trollin', ignore 'em or you're MrFish.

"trollin'" = stating my opinion on a crap mapping tutorial?

Your face: No one here - even those who agree with you - gives a crap about your opinion regarding the tutorial, because they know that you are in no position to utter an honest opinion. You *must* throw dirt. That is the path that you are locked in to.

I wonder if someone who is

- capable of understanding English (as opposed to the "should of"-"theire"-nofullstop brain cases)

- interested in making Trem maps but without all experience

does agree with your disliking of the crash course.

A "crash course" of 20k words... a crash course in wall of texting maybe, but not mapping...

It's sad that you have fallen, too.

The truth is: People pay money to have a truckload of detailed knowledge delivered to them in book form under the label "crash course". Many little mistakes are prevented, many details are revealed, some of which are even new to experienced mappers.

The thing is: You people have come to the decision that whatever I do is unconditionally wrong. You are unable to properly judge any more, and you are blind to that, too, for the same reasons. If you survive, you'll come back in a few months and realize that OMG I have spoken the truth all along, technically even tried to lift your insanity.

[Asvarox]

I've only read naming convention and it already differs from what I've read on tremmapping wiki. I think I know which source I trust more, TBH.

Also even if it's cool that you actually wrote 20k word guide, there will be really, really few people that actually read it. It is because:
1) IT'S FUCKING 20K WORDS. The length of the guide is just plain scary. You have written like 1.5 A4 page about name convention while it could be done in one paragraph.
2) There are no images, sometimes (most of times) it's better to put an image instead of writing wall of text
3) Everything is on one page, why not separate it (see wikibooks)
4) Formating, instead of writing wall of text, why not just summarize it (using lists or something).
5) Yes, Having Paragraphs Capitalized is Cool Thing Too.
6) It goess off the site borders (see bottom horizontal scrollbar )
7)
Had to include Cool Smiley Face

[Aelita]

[silly bullshit]
...OMG...
[more silly bullshit]

Something more along the lines of, `Oh myself!' ?

[God, maker of the world]

I've only read naming convention and it already differs from what I've read on tremmapping wiki. I think I know which source I trust more, TBH.

It will be revealed that my naming conventions are better. Wait a while. Only then, people who didn't follow it will look back and think "if only I had listened".

Also even if it's cool that you actually wrote 20k word guide, there will be really, really few people that actually read it. It is because:
1) IT'S FUCKING 20K WORDS. The length of the guide is just plain scary. You have written like 1.5 A4 page about name convention while it could be done in one paragraph.

I am one of the weird people who actually read books from time to time. One of which is "Crash Kurs Typo & Layout". It contains compressed knowledge - and much of it. So does the mapping crash course.

2) There are no images, sometimes (most of times) it's better to put an image instead of writing wall of text
3) Everything is on one page, why not separate it (see wikibooks)

Apart from the fact that I am not done with the text yet (though I will, for understandable reasons and some that are only known to me and other Trem people, not continue with it, and one of the reasons is that you people plain simply do not deserve it), I expected others to contribute, too. Again: It's a *Wiki*. So, fix what you don't like instead of accusing me that I contributed in a way that you do not approve off. I will not contribute to the Tremulous Wiki any more. It's like building a base and then being treated like shit by your only teammate.

4) Formating, instead of writing wall of text, why not just summarize it (using lists or something).

I am not done with it, and I wanted to collect the information first. That's also the reason that some Radiant-howto knowledge is in sections that actually deal with making a map. It's an early version. It's like someone's writing a book, only my draft is public. I wonder if it is I who has not understood the concept of a Wiki correctly or if someone else is at error.

5) Yes, Having Paragraphs Capitalized is Cool Thing Too.

That is a question of taste, and mine is clearly different. I will stick to it, and hence, mankind will adhere to it at some point, for reality (which is what I represent) will leave them no choice.

6) It goess off the site borders (see bottom horizontal scrollbar )

That is just because of a batch file that I explained and quoted, something that is useful - if you *really* want to learn something.

I think that we can agree on the facts that

1) the group of people who dislike the crash course is much more vocal - because it's currently a Tremulous.net fad to fight against my person

2) the group of people who like it (who would be much less vocal) does actually not exist yet, for the article is too new and the community too inactive

[Asvarox]

We are/I am giving you ideas what could be done better, what is wrong. Then you start to screamwrite how bad/evil/greedy/whatever we are and that everybody on these forums is against you. Stop being so emo and accept the fact that nothing you do is perfect from the beginning. Same thing applies to basically everyone. I wish I know how to edit wiki - but "I'm not the wiki guy". You seem you are.

I also read books (no, not only Harry Potter). But when I read a tutorial, I except it to be simple, clear and as short as possible. Not sure about the first two since I didn't read the whole thing, but from what I've read so far I'm sure it could be shorter

About paragraphs - sorry I meant titles - though still it's better to have them capitalized. If you haven't noticed, all other articles on the wiki do. Plus if I recall correctly, it's grammatical error when you don't start a sentence with capital letter.

No matter what you will say in your post, the fact is that nobody's gonna read it in it's current form.

[your face]

It will be revealed that my naming conventions are better. Wait a while. Only then, people who didn't follow it will look back and think "if only I had listened".

You keep telling yourself that...

I am one of the weird people who actually read books from time to time. One of which is "Crash Kurs Typo & Layout". It contains compressed knowledge - and much of it. So does the mapping crash course.

Do you honestly believe that someone who is beginning to learn how to map is going to want to read a darned book to learn how to map (a boring, opinionated, book at that)?

I will not contribute to the Tremulous Wiki any more.

Well, that's a blessing.

That is a question of taste, and mine is clearly different. I will stick to it, and hence, mankind will adhere to it at some point, for reality (which is what I represent) will leave them no choice.

Hahahaha, have you considered being a comedian?
No, it is not a "question of taste," it is proper wiki etiquette.  Also, that's not even the main problem with your article; you have extremely opinionated views on mapping, and you typed out the whole thing in first person?!  Have you ever read a wiki article before?

I wonder if it is I who has not understood the concept of a Wiki correctly or if someone else is at error.

I hate to offend your majesty, but I'm pretty sure that it's you.

1) the group of people who dislike the crash course is much more vocal - because it's currently a Tremulous.net fad to fight against my person

Have you ever considered the possibility that you're just a very unlikeable person?

[F50]

You people have come to the decision that whatever I do is unconditionally wrong. You are unable to properly judge any more, and you are blind to that, too, for the same reasons. If you survive, you'll come back in a few months and realize that OMG I have spoken the truth all along, technically even tried to lift your insanity.

Since you don't remotely believe that I might maybe really be God, the following explanation is lost (again)

It will be revealed that my naming conventions are better. Wait a while. Only then, people who didn't follow it will look back and think "if only I had listened".

Apart from the fact that I am not done with the text yet (though I will, for understandable reasons and some that are only known to me and other Trem people, not continue with it, and one of the reasons is that you people plain simply do not deserve it), I expected others to contribute, too. Again: It's a *Wiki*. So, fix what you don't like instead of accusing me that I contributed in a way that you do not approve off. I will not contribute to the Tremulous Wiki any more. It's like building a base and then being treated like shit by your only teammate.

That is a question of taste, and mine is clearly different. I will stick to it, and hence, mankind will adhere to it at some point, for reality (which is what I represent) will leave them no choice.

Wow. You have the arrogance of Odysseus himself.

OMG, your face and friends, you are so unbelievably low. Can't you stop your mobbing campaign already? Can't you see that you are clearly acting against the will of the community?

That's odd, somehow I get the feeling that it is a general sentiment.

[God, maker of the world]

Do you honestly believe that someone who is beginning to learn how to map is going to want to read a darned book to learn how to map (a boring, opinionated, book at that)?

Do I honestly believe that someone who wants to learn how to do something complex they couldn't do before wants to read a book?

I will not contribute to the Tremulous Wiki any more.

Well, that's a blessing.

Is that so. Ok then. I have just blanked the mapping article, referencing the community's request for that. I wonder how long it will take until a mod reverts the blanking because apparently what I wrote is much better than nothing.

Wow. You have the arrogance of Odysseus himself.

It's funny that you use Odysseus as an example. Because, when he came home as a beggar, finding his house full of unworthy abusive people, he took his mighty bow and smote them all.

[Kiwi]

Why did you remove it?  Removing a guide in order to put "This post has been removed by the community of tremulous" is stupid.  A guide is a guide and it's going to help someone.  Grant it it might be long, and might talk about a lot of stuff, but as long as it isn't *wrong* or giving *incorrect information* leave it until someone else comes around and posts something better!

[Asvarox]

You fail at ragequit http://tremulous.net/w/index.php?title=Mapping&oldid=4235

[God, maker of the world]

Why did you remove it?

Because it was clearly stated by several people that what I have written is unwanted. The text material is still there, so they can now demonstrate how it is to be done instead of just talking about it. Until then, the so improper article will not be shown as part of the Wiki.

Wrong again? So, what you are saying to me is: "Do not grant them their wish." So, I'd like you to talk to them about it, not to attack me from yet another front. See, it's just as I said: There is no possible right decision for me. This statement, however, is of course false.

Face it: We are finally entering the situation in which it is the people's will that I don't obey them any longer, however paradox that might sound. As a result, I become ruler. Wait a few weeks, and you'll see that I'm right.

You fail at ragequit http://tremulous.net/w/index.php?title=Mapping&oldid=4235

Oh? A Wiki allows to review previous versions of an article? Damn, I didn't know that.

I'd say you fail at using strawman attacks.

[SlackerLinux]

you should never listen to people on the intertubes

[UniqPhoeniX]

Your 'wall of text' was a slight improvement over 'nothing', but you could have done much, much better with a lot less text...

[God, maker of the world]

Your 'wall of text' was a slight improvement over 'nothing', but you could have done much, much better with a lot less text...

I agree that it would be possible to convey the same amount of mapper experience with shorter sentences or incomplete sentences concentrating on keywords.

But I disagree that this could be done with an overall much shorter article.