Tremulous Forum
Community => Clans => Topic started by: KamikOzzy on October 15, 2009, 08:48:16 am
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From nearly every big clan there are players that come to AA, or even dretchstorm, or similar 1.1 servers. I know that many of you do not like the bs changes that the tremulous development servers have running, but like it or not these changes are soon to be the standard tremulous download.
The new system will have the dev-sponsored servers pinned at the top of the list. Every new player will download the 1.2 client. Trem will be changed radically, and not in the right direction.
The problem is that we are quiet, as players. Developers make claims such as a "vast majority" of people who play the dev servers more than a week like the changes, and that dissenters are just mindless complainers.
This section of our community is about to be walked on. Bigtime. We need more people to speak out, that we want to gradually choose what features we like and want our servers to have, rather than having them forced upon us. Check out the developer section in your spare time, and leave your comments and concerns. If the players don't speak up, tremdev can go on thinking that everything they do is or at least will be globally supported.
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I've looked at the changelog and the only thing that irks me is the mark decon.
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1.2: Change we can believe in
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Wait, what does this have to do with clans? Just host AA with the same settings it has now, and I guarentee you, pinned dev servers or not, it will stay popular (perhaps even gain more popularity as 1.2 may mean an increase in players.)
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Obviously every major clan has players that play 1.1
that's all there is ATM.(other than like x and korx)
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Less shitty gameplay changes, better graphics.
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yeah, when do we get our graphics updates... ::)
:D
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You are so hypocritical (excuse my spelling if I typed it wrong). First you want new players, think 1.2 will save trem, and now you start crying because your favorite server won't be at the top and trem will be more accessible?
Keep your whineage to yourself please. Besides, there is a favorite option in the menu.
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You are so hypocritical (excuse my spelling if I typed it wrong). First you want new players, think 1.2 will save trem, and now you start crying because your favorite server won't be at the top and trem will be more accessible?
Keep your whineage to yourself please. Besides, there is a favorite option in the menu.
eff 1
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If everyone kept their 'whineage' to themselves then 1.2 would suck even more than it does now.
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I can see where ozzy is coming from. The official servers do seem likely to negatively effect player run servers.
I doubt it'll effect servers in the short term, but as new players come and old players leave, it will inevitably kill off most player servers.
I cant really see a way around this though... Maybe instead of having official servers just have pure servers...
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how about if u want ur server at the top u pay the devs some $$$$$$$$ ight bro
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yeah, when do we get our graphics updates... ::)
yesssssssss. Graphics > other stuff
I doubt it'll effect servers in the short term, but as new players come and old players leave, it will inevitably kill off most player servers.
yeah thats what i was thinking too
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You are so hypocritical (excuse my spelling if I typed it wrong). First you want new players, think 1.2 will save trem, and now you start crying because your favorite server won't be at the top and trem will be more accessible?
Keep your whineage to yourself please. Besides, there is a favorite option in the menu.
What the fuck? I've been saying for more than a year that I hope 1.2 never comes out. This is why I'm addressing this section specifically, because you and spork aren't part of it. I know you forum junkies like 1.2, that's why I'm speaking to the real players.
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You are so hypocritical (excuse my spelling if I typed it wrong). First you want new players, think 1.2 will save trem, and now you start crying because your favorite server won't be at the top and trem will be more accessible?
Keep your whineage to yourself please. Besides, there is a favorite option in the menu.
What the fuck? I've been saying for more than a year that I hope 1.2 never comes out. This is why I'm addressing this section specifically, because you and spork aren't part of it. I know you forum junkies like 1.2, that's why I'm speaking to the real players.
Excusez moi?
I AM a real player, I AM in a clan, so what if I go on the forums?
Why can't you just accept that 1.2 will b realesed and deal with it? If you want to have the old balance back, make a mod on AA for that, whatever, I don't care. Just stop whining and trying to convince everyone that you know better than anyone else, and so we should revolt on the devs. I doubt you would do better.
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I have done better. I've left my qvm alone.
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And how precisely does that make you special? Most servers are
like that(although few are as popular as yours).
Change is good. Why are you so against something different?
Also, youre whining about all this, have you ever even done anything for the trem community(other than hosting a server)?
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Yes, I've played the game all day for 4 years. I've discovered and promoted new playing styles.
Change is not always good.
Most servers are like that now maybe, but they will soon be 1.2.
You keep posting that I'm "whining" to be a jerk rather than to make a point. I can do that too. I bet you are ugly in real life.
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One of you has to be the better man and ignore the personal insults, for the sake of this topic.
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Being in a clan doesnt make this relevant to you. He is making this in relation to servers, and seeing as most popular servers are in actual fact clan servers this is extremely relevant to this section.
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(http://cron.unvanquished.net/imgboard/src/1255747286279.png)
Support!
props 2 cron for bar
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I got pissed.
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i dont know what all this is about. but i guess i'll go along with what ever ozzy says! woo go 1.1
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i dont know what all this is about. but i guess i'll go along with what ever ozzy says!
Yesss, that's what I'm banking on! ::)
Also, I think this is a safe place to thank cron for my siggy bar.
You should check the link in my sig for a bit of subliminal messaging *cough* title bar *cough* :P
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Still using Windows XP and still playing 1.1
Noob, Windows 7 and 1.3 is where it's at.
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You are so hypocritical (excuse my spelling if I typed it wrong). First you want new players, think 1.2 will save trem, and now you start crying because your favorite server won't be at the top and trem will be more accessible?
Keep your whineage to yourself please. Besides, there is a favorite option in the menu.
What the fuck? I've been saying for more than a year that I hope 1.2 never comes out. This is why I'm addressing this section specifically, because you and spork aren't part of it. I know you forum junkies like 1.2, that's why I'm speaking to the real players.
What? I am a forum junkie? I barely ever visited the forum before
my mapping trouble and the 1.2 debate.
Look at my nonexistent postcount. Oh, and I've been playing trem for 2 years now. But im not in a clan, does that make me noob? >.>
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naw, anyone who supports 1.2 is automatically a noob. ;D
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yes, 1.2 is for newbs.
Copy this into your sig and remove the spaces between the brackets and IMG and /IMG
[ IMG ]http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt234/cronnron/we_support_11b.png[ /IMG ]
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I would put that in my sig, but Taylor Swift is more important.
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Also, youre whining about all this, have you ever even done anything for the trem community(other than hosting a server)?
Ozzy has done a lot for tremulous O: Ozzy is pretty much well known and well respected by "skilled players"
He has done so much I can not list what he has done because that list would not even reflect what he has done.
Long live Ozzy and 1.1!
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I R PISSED
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I couldn't believe they took out the hovel
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Long live 1.1!
1.2 changes are loosely based off results from a public server
Public servers = Not equally balanced teams!
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This section needs to get pissed
Like this amirite? (http://www.break.com/index/drunkest-guy-ever-goes-for-more-beer.html)
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Long live 1.1!
1.2 changes are loosely based off results from a public server
Public servers = Not equally balanced teams!
Fake St. Anger, this one's wasting time making sense instead of building me a deck and sleeping in the corner.
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1.1 4 LIFE!!!!!!1
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yay! bullseye copy my sig which i copy from ozzy :police: :police: :police:
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yay! bullseye copy my sig which i copy from ozzy :police: :police: :police:
which I copy from cron.
Okay sorry guys, it's normally not my style, but I have to try this. Hats. :police: :police: :police:
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naw, anyone who supports 1.2 is automatically a noob. ;D
no u
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We have waited so long for 1.2. Now that it is coming around, it appears to lack support. This is probably from the fact the only ones around who visit these forums are die hard 1.1 players. The tremulous population is decreasing. If there isn't some change, it will be a few lone clans always playing eachother and the random noob who gets scared off.(sounds like now doesn't it)
The ones like me and some of my clanmates who stopped playing because of the horrible public games where people camp. 32 person ATCS only maps. A decent goon being so hard to take out 1v1 if humans are s1. Etc
I for one, am going to run the beta 1.2 on my server. With a real map rotation. To actual give it a good test run so I can voice my opinion based on experience. I hope others will hold off on their decisions until the beta can actually be tested out on a bigger scale.
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I think that what the main problem will be, is when people who haven't played 1.1 in a long time, see on a website, "Tremulous 1.2 release!" They will think, "Oh yay! Finally 1.2 came out! Let's download it and see how awesome it is!" But when they enter a server, they cannot tell the difference since they haven't played 1.1 in so long anyways. (No graphical enhancements, models, or maps.) I think 1.2 should wait for main release until the models are included, and hopefully new maps.
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+10 face
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I think that what the main problem will be, is when people who haven't played 1.1 in a long time, see on a website, "Tremulous 1.2 release!" They will think, "Oh yay! Finally 1.2 came out! Let's download it and see how awesome it is!" But when they enter a server, they cannot tell the difference since they haven't played 1.1 in so long anyways. (No graphical enhancements, models, or maps.) I think 1.2 should wait for main release until the models are included, and hopefully new maps.
I agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
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I think that what the main problem will be, is when people who haven't played 1.1 in a long time, see on a website, "Tremulous 1.2 release!" They will think, "Oh yay! Finally 1.2 came out! Let's download it and see how awesome it is!" But when they enter a server, they cannot tell the difference since they haven't played 1.1 in so long anyways. (No graphical enhancements, models, or maps.) I think 1.2 should wait for main release until the models are included, and hopefully new maps.
Very sneaky way of saying you want to keep playing 1.1... :D
But one more year of waiting for 1.2?? D:
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not so i want 1.2 very bad! they got the models it should be out in a month or two!
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not so i want 1.2 very bad! they got the models it should be out in a month or two!
I disagreeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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i think most people who will see 1.2 will also see there is no fucking hovel. and ragequit right there.
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We have waited so long for 1.2. Now that it is coming around, it appears to lack support. This is probably from the fact the only ones around who visit these forums are die hard 1.1 players. The tremulous population is decreasing. If there isn't some change, it will be a few lone clans always playing eachother and the random noob who gets scared off.(sounds like now doesn't it)
The ones like me and some of my clanmates who stopped playing because of the horrible public games where people camp. 32 person ATCS only maps. A decent goon being so hard to take out 1v1 if humans are s1. Etc
I for one, am going to run the beta 1.2 on my server. With a real map rotation. To actual give it a good test run so I can voice my opinion based on experience. I hope others will hold off on their decisions until the beta can actually be tested out on a bigger scale.
im with BB.
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oh so 1.2 is out, cool i quit trem. 1.2 shouldve came like 2 years ago. trem's already dead.
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oh so 1.2 is out, cool i quit trem. 1.2 shouldve came like 2 years ago. trem's already dead.
nop it equal
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Tremulous is just a glorified chat client anyway... who gives a fuck which version it's running? But then again I gotta agree, 1.2 is total bullshit... They've somehow managed to completely fuck over the gameplay, without releasing any shiny new visuals or effects. It's like the worst of both worlds.
So eh, I'll join the cult. Long live 1.1!
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dummie head they are changing some visuals
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Thanks Kaine. We keep the kool-aid on the top shelf in the fridge.
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OhMiGod!
The Trem community may be splitting into two distinct factions now!
Pro-1.2 and Anti-1.2!
This is moste excellent!
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GRAB THAT POPCORN, FOR WE HAVE
(http://cuteotters.com/uploads/moar.jpg)
DRAMA!!
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<3 SNDM
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surely after playing this game for 4 years you want dodge and other things. i quit playing a while ago because of how monotonous the game got to be. If your clan is good in 1.1, you can master 1.2 as well. As far as the server bullshit, the developement servers should by default be at the top. at least then noobs will get friendly mods ect. it shouldnt be at the top if you sort by anything, but by default it should.
stop being lazy and learn moar tactics ozzy :P
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youve played 4 years? but i havnt seen you even once in my 3.5 years :-\
OZZY HAS TACTICS YOU POOP FACE
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youve played 4 years? but i havnt seen you even once in my 3.5 years :-\
Dance is a trem legendd
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youve played 4 years? but i havnt seen you even once in my 3.5 years :-\
where have u been?
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youve played 4 years? but i havnt seen you even once in my 3.5 years :-\
Dance is a trem legendd
Yes. And 37 billion players just decided they actually like 1.2 because he posted. I even did for a second or two. BUTTTTT
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buttttt what
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I have tried it, we played all last night. If it stays the way it is I have to say it would be horrible. I am hoping this "beta" is actually a beta and changes are made based on informed players, most of which will come from this section(the players)
Right now the range nerf on most the aliens and the additional dodge feature on humans makes humans very hard to beat. In our games last night we had some pretty even teams and aliens got stomped 98% of the time.(The devs mentioned they were aware of this. Which is a good sign)
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I have tried it, we played all last night. If it stays the way it is I have to say it would be horrible. I am hoping this "beta" is actually a beta and changes are made based on informed players, most of which will come from this section(the players)
Right now the range nerf on most the aliens and the additional dodge feature on humans makes humans very hard to beat. In our games last night we had some pretty even teams and aliens got stomped 98% of the time.(The devs mentioned they were aware of this. Which is a good sign)
hmmm, if balance was realllly screwed up then i would think this section has a need to get pissed. hopefully once its closer to release balance will not be an issue. ive always thought it backwards to try and balance new features before they are in the game. make changes/add new stuff first, and then balance the impacts. but considering the pace tremulous likes to take to develop, this could be a legitimate concern.
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fuck 1.2.
:hovel: 's Live Long!
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k-oticz baes is liek ubp.. how he get that many turrets ???
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he hacked.
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he hacked.
Wow, if St. Anger says someone is a hacker, it's because that someone really is a hacker!
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he hacked.
Wow, if St. Anger says someone is a hacker, it's because that someone really is a hacker!
you make total logical sence but im not your st. anger.
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yes u r shush :-X
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yes u r shush :-X
Did you tease the truth from him during one of your little romps in the bed?
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whare else would i tease truth from ppl ???
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Haha @ flux's quote in jedarus's sig. Similarly, some unknown player came into AA, and before long it was sudden death. The aliens achieved S3 and tried to build a hovel. The granger asks "can't build hovel?" and the guy says "No, you can't build hovels in SD or 1.2." Lulz ensued.
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whare will the grangers hide in 1.2 ??? ??? ???
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scared little flux poor guy..........
(http://static.pyzam.com/img/graphics/9/BCscaredycat0920.gif)
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u sir are an abuser of poor cute little green grangers :granger:
i will be sure to lodge a complaint with the Investigative Department of Abuse
u sir will be in jail before you know it
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Haha @ flux's quote in jedarus's sig. Similarly, some unknown player came into AA, and before long it was sudden death. The aliens achieved S3 and tried to build a hovel. The granger asks "can't build hovel?" and the guy says "No, you can't build hovels in SD or 1.2." Lulz ensued.
It's funny, hovels weren't really used by players when they were around, but now people like you appreciate the true worth of this silly building. Me, I just like using it to tk grangers when they pop out of the hovel.
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I've never seen a team stay s3 for long and not put a hovel in "the lucy jump spot."
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I've never seen a team stay s3 for long and not put a hovel in "the lucy jump spot."
I need to play more if you're telling the truth
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He's telling the truth. I've seen hovel make a successful difference in almost every single game I've played in the past 3 years.
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Haha @ flux's quote in jedarus's sig. Similarly, some unknown player came into AA, and before long it was sudden death. The aliens achieved S3 and tried to build a hovel. The granger asks "can't build hovel?" and the guy says "No, you can't build hovels in SD or 1.2." Lulz ensued.
lulz
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hovels are fun cuz u hold downarrow and press q lots and make fun sounds :turret:
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make a button in all 1.2 maps that make that lovely sound, and have motivational posters everywhere of hovels
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balls are fun cuz u hold downarrow and press q lots and make fun sounds :turret:
If thats your thing bro it's cool bro
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Iabz is so unfunny that it is sometimes amusing.
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Iabz is so unfunny that it is sometimes amusing.
Are you really at my service, KamikOzzyShkaAod?
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make a button in all 1.2 maps that make that lovely sound, and have motivational posters everywhere of hovels
will u make 1.2 a map, that is the inside of a giant hovel, with a granger coming in and out. with that sound every 5 seconds?
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goomg, a map of the inside of a hovel! zomg omg genius!!111
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i wuz for srs.
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If I know Face, which I'd like to think I do... he was serious as well. :P
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it is indeed a good idea... the inner workings of a hovel. :3
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Make sure to include a hidden "easter egg" room that has paintings depicting Iabz and Dracone snuggling and producing grangerish offspring.
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make a button in all 1.2 maps that make that lovely sound, and have motivational posters everywhere of hovels
will u make 1.2 a map, that is the inside of a giant hovel, with a granger coming in and out. with that sound every 5 seconds?
Yeah I want a map like that as well. I would never grow tired of that sound.
And what I was referring to was that no-one really uses them for their proper purpose, which is to protect a solitary granger inside until it has finished gestating and is ready to burst forth from the spiky womb of the hovel. The hole is even the right shape.
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Looks like a sphincter to me...
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Sphincter, vagina, whatever. It's a place where things can be ejected out/excreted/egested ;)
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I think we all would just like 1.2 to be a basic balance mod.
-Silent lisk( maybe a range buff)
-Either keep goon range the same(as 1.1) or get rid of the new dodge feature.
Right now goon range was nerfed, and humans have a new dodge feature. This isn't balance.
Things I see in 1.2 that don't belong. (Didn't need fixing)
-Luci changes
-Death cam
-New rant view height and range nerf, +trample dmg (Just keeping rant the same and lowering it's health a little would have worked)
Just to name a few.
Yes I have been playing the latest 1.2
I see things being over complicating and that will need rebalancing.
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I don't think the lisk isn't good enough in 1.1, I just think we don't have enough good lisks anymore, so I wouldn't change it either.
I think to truly balance the game, yeah, the rant deserves a health point nerf.
I've flirted with the idea of making the dragoon stage 2 (regular, not advanced) but have mara+ be stage 1, in hopes that there would be less absolute domination early on, forcing camping right off the bat. Not that mara's can't dominate, but two hits rather than one, and no pounce-insta-pwnage. Silly, I know, but at least I'm not forcing it on everyone :P
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I like the deathcam. The asthetic and non gameplay changes are all fine for me.
Most of the gameplay cahnges i hate. And im not sure about the basi, i have seen two people who could make a decent return off of it past S1.
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adv mara owns bro ok it needs s2 it op
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Well there are no more good clans or fun in this game anymore, that's simply why i did quit.
~Ingarlg
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I've flirted with the idea of making the dragoon stage 2 (regular, not advanced) but have mara+ be stage 1, in hopes that there would be less absolute domination early on, forcing camping right off the bat. Not that mara's can't dominate, but two hits rather than one, and no pounce-insta-pwnage. Silly, I know, but at least I'm not forcing it on everyone :P
Thats a pretty good idea(Actually, I've been thinking something similar as of late). Goons are a little Overpowered at s1, although Mara+ might be too...
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Well there are no more good clans or fun in this game anymore, that's simply why i did quit.
~Ingarlg
Wow, a guy who was NEVER in the competition leaves because there is no more competition. Awesome bro, you cool bro.
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I don't post often on the tremulous forums but I agree this 1.2 does not fix anything.
The only things that I like are the removal of pounce and charge TK (yes I have had it happen to me so many times and it is hard for lots of people to control) and that is removable in servers at the owner's choice. I also don't like the overpowered turrets in this new version.
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The only things that I like are the removal of pounce and charge TK
you do know that you can turn that off....
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Actually, they're doing all testing afaik with all friendly fire off, which is absolutely retarded because no self-respecting player plays that way.
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The only things that I like are the removal of pounce and charge TK
you do know that you can turn that off....
and that is removable in servers at the owner's choice.
yes i do
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I don't post often on the tremulous forums but I agree this 1.2 does not fix anything.
The only things that I like are the removal of pounce and charge TK (yes I have had it happen to me so many times and it is hard for lots of people to control) and that is removable in servers at the owner's choice. I also don't like the overpowered turrets in this new version.
Most servers apart from the Russian unlagged one, DretchStorm and a few others have pounce and charge TK turned off so it wouldn't really matter to the majority of players.
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Silly, I know, but at least I'm not forcing it on everyone :P
You're not a developer. LOL!
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Actually, they're doing all testing afaik with all friendly fire off, which is absolutely retarded because no self-respecting player plays that way.
+1 How could you possibly test balance without friendly fire on? Also I hope those devil rets still gun down humans, because that will make dretch useful in bases again. I'll have to go test that now that I think about it.
@ Myth
Seeing as how for the past 4 years this game has ran solely on the player's basis and from player ran servers and everything else, I don't think its far for so called Dev's to now just force whatever they want on anyone. Seriously they abandoned this game and they need a much more subtle ride back in if they want to be accepted.
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i accept it
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+1 How could you possibly test balance without friendly fire on? Also I hope those devil rets still gun down humans, because that will make dretch useful in bases again. I'll have to go test that now that I think about it.
What devil rets ??? And how would that affect dretches?
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Only one of you can accept my burden. Who will it be?
What is your burden!?
It is my cock, and you must carry it in your mouth for 17 days. A big fat jui-
Blood interrupts The Quest Giver:
i accept it
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I have tried it, we played all last night. If it stays the way it is I have to say it would be horrible. I am hoping this "beta" is actually a beta and changes are made based on informed players, most of which will come from this section(the players)
Right now the range nerf on most the aliens and the additional dodge feature on humans makes humans very hard to beat. In our games last night we had some pretty even teams and aliens got stomped 98% of the time.(The devs mentioned they were aware of this. Which is a good sign)
http://stats.tremulous.net/
us1:
Alien wins: 429
Human wins: 426
euro1:
Alien wins: 483
Human wins: 485
If I were to go by what I "feel" the balance is and not by the stats (which Norfenstein did before GPP), I'd say that, besides pounce being too powerful IMO against larmour, it's balanced; these are just feelings, though, and I don't play goon enough to mean much when I say this. Aliens were overbalanced in 1.1. I'm glad the ranges and widths were finally nerfed. Tyrant was especially much too lenient. I think 1.1 players are accustomed to 1.1's range and width, and then they become under the illusion that aliens are a lot worse now (they are, but not to the point of making the underpowered). Humans aren't really too tough to kill.
Now, camping, on the other hand, is another issue. Domination fixes camping. More information here: http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=12579.0 (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=12579.0)